Why Mac Sucks: Top 10 Reasons Why Macs Blow, And Why Apple Loves Sh*t-Talking Articles Like This One

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1. The only business model for Apple is narcissism. Its true. And for what its worth, the only “geniuses” that work for Apple are the members of their marketing team, because holy hell, we all know that the best way to sell a product in this day and age, especially to Americans, is to patronize their self-righteous beliefs. There are only 2 types of people that buy a Mac:

1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general

Either way, people who are confident enough in their knowledge, self-image, and skills rarely find it necessary (or justifiable) to buy one of these disgustingly over-priced machines. Which brings us to…

2. Macs are ridiculously overpriced. Not only do you get much less for your money when you buy ANY type of Macintosh computer compared to your other options, but you get royally screwed whenever you want any halfway-decent Mac machine. Compare 17-inch MacBook Pros starting at an astounding $2500 with thousands of 17-inch alternatives starting at just $599. This is partly because Apple price-fixes their products so drastically, but is mostly because they’d rather tell you what packages are available instead of letting you decide what works best for you. Hmm… what does that sound like?

3. Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends. Where to begin? Because of all the political (read: snobby) games that Steve Jobs gets involved with, most Macs still don’t have HDMI ports, eSATA ports, or BluRay drives, among other mainstream technology standards. Instead of HDMI, for example, they opt for out-of-date DVI ports (but of course only on the MacBook Pro models). This attitude is best summed up by Apple’s 2-decade-long push for world-wide FireWire data ports, which Apple finally dropped many years after its defeat to USB 2.0 was already obvious. (P.S. Apple invented FireWire…)

4. Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux. Its easy to assume that over 90% of Mac owners are not only unaware of this, but don’t have a clue what Linux is. Turns out that back in 1996, after Steve Jobs’ short-lived company NeXT stole its OS base from open-source (read: FREE) BSD Unix, it resold the now proprietary OS to Apple which then became OS X. Perhaps if OS X had the flexibility of Linux, or if Mac fanboys didn’t use Linux concepts (i.e. Terminal) as reasons to brag about OS X, there wouldn’t be so much smearing to do. (Warning: do NOT attempt ask any Mac fanboys about this, or they will ignore your question and start babbling about things like Firefox.)

5. There is no right-f*cking-click! Mac fanboys will respond to this by saying “actually you CAN get a 2-button mouse now!” but even when that is true, the EFFING RIGHT CLICK STILL DOESN’T DO ANYTHING. Oh, cool, I can copy and paste! Oh wait, but I can’t perform any other damn functions in Photoshop or otherwise. And crap, I forgot which combination of 5 keys I need to hold down for right click to work on my 1-button mouse? (Don’t even ask how to make the Delete button actually delete something…)

6. The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded. Again, where to begin?

7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.) I thought I would dispel all the Mac lies in one sentence, so there you go. If you have ever tried to open Photoshop along with a few other programs on a Mac, you will know this frustration well. More often than not the little rainbow wheel will starting spinning like crazy – that, or your Mac will simply freeze. This is because Macs can’t handle multi-tasking very well (although the issue has been improving, according to some). What hasn’t been improving though is the increasing amount of viruses being found on Macs. Sure, we could play the word game and clarify the difference between trojans and viruses, but the point is that Macs are no safer than any other computer, especially since they ship with their firewall turned off.

8. Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best. This is not an overstatement. I am the first to admit that the iTunes/iPod combination is pretty tight (with AAC disabled!). But that’s about it. Mac Mail, iPhoto, GarageBand, iChat, Quicktime, and the rest of the bundled Mac software mostly just sucks, or is extremely limited in what it can do. Luckily some programs like VLC and CuteFTP have recently started to offer Mac versions of their software, but good luck trying to find Mac versions of most popular freeware. Not only that, but their claim that “no hunting for drivers is needed” is only true because barely any hardware is made for Macs! For example, only the Airport Extreme card works with Macs but other PCI cards will not. Thus, if someone needed 802.11a, they would need to buy a (very) costly Ethernet adapter.

9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs. All true gamers already know this, so it really doesn’t require much explanation. Let’s just say that GizModo’s latest check confirmed that this is still true, even on the most expensive graphics card that MacBook Pro currently offers.

10. Macs are not flexible or customizable. This is a vague way to end things, but mostly because its the only way to sum up all the things that are wrong with Macs. We’ve already seen that you can’t customize their hardware or software, and that you can’t even use the Linux functions that *should* be present on any Linux distro. But even within Mac’s little world itself, you can barely change any options on their OS, user interface, The Dock, directory layout, etc. But hey, as long as the only thing you want to do is change your desktop wallpaper to be the photo you took at the latest indie rock show you attended, then by all means, buy a Mac.

For being so “progressive” Apple sure does seem like one stubborn-ass company. Oh, and please note that hating Macs doesn’t make you a Windows fanboy. It just makes you a reasonable person. =)

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  1. @EVERYONENEEDSALIFE

    I would rather be a fat ass computer geek, then someone like you who has so much free time they just go on any site they can comment on to tell people to get a life. At least we have a real hobby.

    And IF you do have a ‘life’ then you just showed everyone here that you have a inferiority complex.

    P.S. U mad bro?

  2. To every fat ass computer geek on here. GET A F***ING LIFE!!! No one cares what your computer is or how it runs so STFU!

  3. ATTN: ELEMA LIKES MERMAIDS WITH LONG NIPPLES

    BWARE OF ELEMA, SHE WILL STRIKE ISHEEP PREY IN THE NUDE

    STAY AWAY FROM OPEN HOT SPRING BATHES: SHE WILL WIPE HAIRY ASS CRACK WITH YOUR MAC

    NOTE** THIS IS ONLY FOR THOSE 18 AND UNDER. (ELEMA IS A LOLLICON)

  4. Hai,

    I would just like to say that I have a boner.

    Goodbye.

  5. Yep, its not always in your best interest. Gaming consoles are a consumer product, so they fit pretty well. If you mean functional aspects of your life, well the most commonly associated things are vehicles and home appliances.

  6. Point taken.
    But your examples still prove my point. Choosing subjectively isn’t always good for you, even if you are satisfied with your choice.

    But as I said before there is a time and place for everything. Gaming/consoles is a bad example, because gaming is a subjective market. Games are made to appeal to the consumers taste, not make there life easier.

  7. I don’t mean to imply that only rich people can have fun, thats rarely the case. Lets compare gaming consoles- the PS3 would objectively be the better console- it has all but a few xbox only games, its a blu-ray player, PS3 network is free to play on, better graphics on native games etc. But I bought an Xbox for Halo, Forza and Gears of War. Was that a financially smart decision? No, it wasn’t, because GranTurismo and Killzone are arguably good substitutes. Do I regret making it? No, not at all.
    You could also compare vehicles in a similar manner. I wanted a two seater convertible that was cheap and fun. My friend suggested the Mazda MX5 over the Toyota MR2 spyder because the Mazda was more practical; bigger trunk, more interior space, same gas mileage. So what does this have to do with anything? Well, I bought the MR2 despite efficiency loss simply because I like the way it looked and drove. Thats all; Ive found that if you buy a consumer product simply because its more efficient then you’ll probably enjoy it less. Now when it comes to food and other things that are EXACT substitutes I never buy “brand name.” I will eat my oat circles and never know the difference between them and Cheerios. Tools I also buy based on objective material because they are solely built for a single purpose. But TV’s, computers, cars, clothing etc. I buy based on a mixture of subjectivity and objectivity.

  8. In most cases when people buy subjectively they overlook things that could be more efficient and appeal to them subjectively as well.
    Your examples imply that only rich people can have fun.

    There is a time and place for everything.
    Some things should be bought or done objectively and other things should be bought or done subjectively.

    Computers should be bought objectively first then subjectively.
    Example:
    If I am searching for a new graphics card, and I find two cards that meet my needs in spec’s and cooling. Both cards have good reviews and are the same price. I then chose biased on which one looks better, and which chipset manufacture I like better.
    Then I have a card with good form and performance.
    Best of both worlds.

    My point is, doing things subjectively is not wrong but in most cases (most not all) you end up hurting yourself in the end.

  9. @Rawr
    1. There are other choices people make that don’t affect health; people buy Gucci clothing, luxury/sports cars, they eat at fancy restaurants, buy houses that are more than they need etc. My point was if everyone lived objectively then life would be boring.
    2. Sorry I read that wrong, it was a long day.

  10. “There aren’t objective reasons to eat junk food, or go skydiving but people still do it.”

    And both those things can kill you. Subjective choices aren’t always good choices.

    “Apple never said they invented magsafe”
    I never said Apple said that. I said:
    “Oh I just remembered that someone claimed that Apple invited magsafe”
    I said someone (not me or Apple) claimed that Apple invited magsafe.
    I was just pointing out that they didn’t.

  11. Apple never said they invented magsafe, they simply engineered it for and introduced it to electronic devices. Who cares if Japanese deep fryers have had it since the early 2000’s and Apple made it for laptops in 2006? Its still useful, its still functional.
    Yes there aren’t objective reasons to buy a Mac. There aren’t objective reasons to eat junk food, or go skydiving but people still do it. LIFE is subjective my friend.

  12. “Obviously trolling. Lighten up, guys.”

    That wasn’t me.

  13. @RAWR. Been on vacation. isheep are back I see.

  14. Obviously trolling. Lighten up, guys.

  15. @HMMM My point exactly, there are no rational reasons to buy a Mac, only subjective ones.

    @STEVE Hello Steve haven’t seen you in a while.

    Oh I just remembered that someone claimed that Apple invited magsafe, but that is untrue Japan has had ‘magsafe’ on kitchen appliances for years.

    P.S. DREW where did you go? ;)

  16. I agree! Macs are overpriced and hardly user friendly. The Mac company is power hungry and money hungry. Proof of that is that they wait about 8 months before they release something “new” to the public for double the price they paid for the first edition.

  17. Eh, RocketDock just isn’t the same, it looks nice but its not a smooth in operation. The little things are why I like Macs, they get the details right. And, if it weren’t for apple then rocket dock wouldn’t have anyone to copy. The trackpad, battery indicator, magsafe, slot-loading dvd drive, the keyboard feel, the OS, I just like it. Im an anal person when it comes to details much to my parents chagrin. I think you should just use whatever you want to use. I really don’t get these “Macs suck, you’re an idiot for buying one!” people, mainly because they then turn around and say “I can’t believe Mac users would belittle my omnipotent pc!” I really don’t care, I just want to point out that Im very happy with my purchase and do not think macs suck. But now Im ranting…

  18. @RAWR. That sums it up perfectly.

    “Mac’s aren’t simple they are just limited”

  19. I like the internet because you can say whatever you want. Like I’m not even a doctor, but my name would suggest that. Oh, and I would probably say that mac is a little pricy for what you get. But I have a mac that I got for free and I like it.

  20. “all of the of Mac users I know (including myself) bought macs because we like them, thats all.”

    But that’s the part I don’t understand. PC’s have everything Mac’s have and more. Why would you pay nearly 2x the cost for something that can do less. If its the GUI you like, then you can make Windows look exactly like Mac, so much so you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. If its the case, well there’s a huge section of desktop cases, fyi my desktop case is made of aircraft steel.
    As for laptops, honestly in my opinion they are useless unless they are a necessity. But there more PC companys that make laptops then there are companys that make desktops. There there are also netbooks which unless you are doing stuff that’s graphically taxing, a netbook is all a general user needs.

    Don’t get me wrong you are entitled to your opinion, but the only reasons (That I can think of.) why anyone would buy a Mac are:
    1. They already have a bunch of Apple products so they decide to stick with the company.
    2. The misconception; Higher cost = Higher quality.
    3. Shiny.
    4. “Simple”*

    *Mac’s aren’t ‘simple’ they are just limited. Just like when Apple reproduced xerox’s mouse they made it ‘simple’ by removing two buttons therefore limiting its capabilities, Apple has always done things this was, for some reason its only Apple’s consumers who don’t see this.

  21. Ah, faux pas on my part: I did not in fact say if you WANTED to, but I meant to imply it. My apologies.

  22. @Steve t”Try updating firmware on majority of Linksys routers, access points, powerline adapters, gaming adapters, and the list goes on. You can’t do that on a mac.” I have a linksys router, in fact Ive had a bunch of Linksys routers- they all have web-based interfaces so it really doesn’t matter what OS you have. As for everything besides the gaming adapters (which I haven’t had experience with) Ive had no issues at all.
    @Rawr: all of the of Mac users I know (including myself) bought macs because we like them, thats all. As for Wineskin; I said if you WANTED to run a windows program, Ive never had to run a Windows only program, Im just saying if there is one that you like the interface of then Wineskin is an option.

  23. Sorry for all my grammar errors. >.<

  24. “Gamers? If you wanted Macs to be good for games, then why would you list one type of person who would buy a mac are “wannabe nerds”?”

    How does being a gamer make you a wannabe nerd? You don’t have to know shit about computers to play games on a console, and what do you think Alienware is for? It’s for PC gamers who don’t know shit about computers and just want a powerful machine to play games on.

    iSheep are wannabe nerds because they buy Mac’s to show off there ‘knowledge’ of computers. Even though all they are doing is showing there lack of knowledge in general. Just like how you are showing your lack of knowledge in both computers and arguments.

  25. “Also with Wineskin apps/programs you can run Windows stuff on your mac no problem.”

    But Wineskin doesn’t work with every program, you have to wait for the developers to update it. And its an emulator, and 3rd party emulators never work that well.

    Which forces me to ask again; Why use a Mac if you need to use windows programs anyway? I have been using windows for a quite a few years not, and I NEVER had to use a a Mac only program. WindowsLinux has everything you need, and if you don’t like the GUI you can change it to look like OS X.

    Honestly I cant see any rational reason to buy a Mac.

    PC’s can use the same software Macs can and more. (If not exact then carbon copies.)
    PC’s Work with all hardware.
    Mac’s only work with the hardware Apple allows them to work with.
    PC’s on average are half the price of Mac’s
    Gaming on Windows is the best because of Direct X.
    Microsoft lets you use there OS on what ever system you want to use it on.
    Apple voids your warranty (and in some cases fines you.) if you put OS X on a system that is not a Mac.
    Windows and Linux are infinity customizable, in comparison Mac’s are very limited.

    Notice how I said ‘in comparison’ meaning If you have one million dollars, and your neighbor says he has ten billion dollars, your one million doesn’t look like so much anymore.

  26. “And I gotta say, who the flying f*ck do you think you are for listing why MAC sucks? What the f*ck have you invented?”

    Hes an American who has the freedom of speech and expression, and by Apples standards he invented his post.

  27. @THE 2ND DOUCHE BAG. They are overpriced. If you compare the exact specs from a PC and a mac the mac will double the price of a PC. FACT.

  28. Apple computers are good for people working with sound (ie. DJs, sound engineers etc.) but other than that, the price does not justify the performance and parts. In fact, a custom built rig with a mid range nVidia Quadro card is light years better than a Mac Pro for video encoding, CAD and other 3D applications.

  29. 1. You believe Mac is for hipsters; you must have a tumblr.
    2. Overpriced? You’re comparing computers by the size of it, how could you possibly be the one who should decide if it’s overpriced?
    3-8. YOU’RE STUPID.
    9. Gamers? If you wanted Macs to be good for games, then why would you list one type of person who would buy a mac are “wannabe nerds”? (think bout that question.

    And I gotta say, who the flying fuck do you think you are for listing why MAC sucks? What the fuck have you invented?

  30. @HMMM. My business is around computer hardware. I never said all routers. I said a lot or majority of them. Get your facts straight before you post. I know quite a few off the top of my head that can’t be updated or configured on a mac. That’s including gaming adapters, access points, and usb wifi adapters.

  31. I don’t know what steve was talking about not being able to update router firmware on a Mac. You just download the .bin file and when you upgrade your router you just browse the downloads folder and select it.
    Also with Wineskin apps/programs you can run Windows stuff on your mac no problem. So its really a matter of whatever you like.

  32. “We have had Kodak and Dupont techs build us PCs”

    So you had a Camera and a chemical company build computers for you? Sounds like you got ripped off.

  33. I’ve been on this board for a while arguing with Mac users and iSheep. And because its a argument its only natural for me to be defensive.

    When did I ever say I didn’t understand what you where saying? I’m saying that its impossible that you did the exact same thing on a Mac and a PC with the same specs and one was 30minutes faster.

    And IF what you say is true then the program you used is at fault not the OS or the hardware.

    But I still don’t believe you ;)

  34. Correction from last post:

    4000dpi @ 10 microns

    (finger slipped)

  35. “And no matter what you say now, your last post shows that you don’t know what you are talking about.”

    RAWR

    I’m telling you we ripped the same job on 2 different computers. One took 90 minutes, the other about 60.
    Not sure what you dont understand. We ripped the job at 7000 dpi @ 10 microns if that clarifies. We use a rip from FOUNDER called EAGLE RIP.

    How does this not make sense? Thats how it happened.

    I’m not a tech person, I’ll admit, but I’m just telling you the test we did.

    Why do PC owners get so defensive?

  36. “We ‘ripped’ a job the size of a billboard on a quad core PC with 16 gig of ram, and then the same on a quad core mac with 16 gig of ram. (Very comparable tech specs).
    The mac was able to ‘rip’ the job more than 30 minutes faster than the PC.”

    You do understand that your statement is impossible, right? I can under stand a Mac with the same specs can be faster then a PC, Considering that OS X is about 8GB and Windows 7 is about 20GB, But 30 minutes faster? That’s just bullshit.

    And no matter what you say now, your last post shows that you don’t know what you are talking about.

  37. “Unless your workplace is a hospital I doubt they leave the power on when they leave.”

    RAWR, I own a printing company that operates 3 shifts a day. The power stays on all year (unless there is a power failure).

    We have had Kodak and Dupont techs build us PCs designed for hi end graphic manipulation and ‘ripping’ that are close to running as quickly as our macs, but they end up being just as expensive and still not as reliable in our opinion.

    We ‘ripped’ a job the size of a billboard on a quad core PC with 16 gig of ram, and then the same on a quad core mac with 16 gig of ram. (Very comparable tech specs).
    The mac was able to ‘rip’ the job more than 30 minutes faster than the PC.

    Time is money.

  38. AMD SUCKS.
    Not even great value anymore.
    Not good for intel fans either.
    Damn intel’s got a monopoly.

  39. Watch Father of Invention (2010) for a blown up example of what Apple is.

  40. Example of a iSheep I found on YouTube.

    “What are you talking about? Apple invented the GUI, apple invented the Smart Phone, Apple invented the first computers invulnerable to viruses, Apple invented the tablet. I would love to support pc companies, because they are so much more affordable… but everytime I buy a pc, its already slower than my old mac… all my pcs have failed… none of my macs ever have… Don’t hate on something because it’s winning..”

    That is from someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about.

  41. Rawr: you’re right, but the OS IS designed to work with the hardware. I know what Drew meant; perhaps a better phrase would be “Apple dictates their hardware”
    AMD stuff is a great value, and the fact that you know how to work windows properly helps.
    But a lot of people I know mess up their OS from stupid mistakes. I think Macs are just easier for the average person.

  42. “Reason why macs are so much more stable and reliable than PC’s is because the company that designs the hardware, also makes the OS.”

    Apple doesn’t design the hardware other then the Hard drives the case and the PSU’s they pay Intel and AMD to design hardware and drivers for Mac. They also use third party ram.

    AMD, NVIDIA, Intel, cross hair, WB, etc. Make there PC parts specifically for PC’s And the drivers and made specifically for the OS they are running on.

    “This is why they work so flawlessly together.”

    I have a AMD based PC, (AMD ram, AMD CPU, and AMD Graphics card.) And a ECS Motherboard, a diablotek PSU, a Thermaltake heatsink and fan, WD/Seagate HDD’s, a Rosewill WiFi card, and a Memorex disk drive. They all work flawlessly together.

    “It never crashes, even after 3 months without a reboot.”

    Unless your workplace is a hospital I doubt they leave the power on when they leave.
    And other then the one time I crashed my graphics card. My computer or any computer I ever owned has never crashed.

  43. Here is what i Believe.

    #1 Reason why macs are so much more stable and reliable than PC’s is because the company that designs the hardware, also makes the OS. This is why they work so flawlessly together. The OS is designed to work better specifically with certain hardware that apple puts in their computers. My 4 year old dual core imac still runs faster than the brand new PC’s we have at work. It never crashes, even after 3 months without a reboot. Keep in mind this is a Mac that is used daily for graphic and video editing too.

    I still believe that the average consumer probably can save some money and just buy a PC, but if you want stability bite the bullet and splurge on a mac. You will never go back to buying a PC again.

  44. Ever heard of nvidia?

  45. I built a fantasy gaming rig on newegg today 2000 bucks for dual gpus and full on liquid cooling I just can’t justify paying so much for a macs stability when I simply learned how to use windows properly and therefore have very few issues. Actually my current px cost me around 900 bucks and it’s still twice as powerful as a comparibly priced Mac. U Mac users that talk of instability on ur work comps is it at all possible that it’s a cheap bulk buy that has garbage hardware and is treated like shit by u and everyone that uses it cuz after all it’s just a pc?:) oh yea all u macies are hipsters it’s science

  46. Jafacha: Mac OS X uses Free BSD which is unix, and its available for anyone to use. Thats what its MADE FOR. Now Mac OS X isn’t Unix per say because it uses Darwin which is Apples own little thing.

    RAWR: Face recognition technology has been in development by multiple companies for many years. However when making a product for consumers the one with the best ease of use will win. Subjective it may be but thats why its the consumer market. Apple never claimed to invent it by the way they said they “revolutionized it” and they did. They made it easy to use. Thats the definition of innovation- taking established technology or ideas and putting a different spin on them. And the fingerprinting doesn’t require your whole hand, only the fingertips.

  47. I just got my 5th Mac, beginning back in 1986 with a 512 (which changed my music composing and word writing life). My new 27″ iMac is a delight. Are there things I’d change? I don’t know, because EVERYTHING I NEED (notice the emphasis) worked right out of the box. Over the past 25 years with those 5 Macs I’ve had exactly two crashes, and got everything back both times. How about viruses? I don’t know. What do they look like? What do they do? I don’t think I’ve ever had one. Whatever you like, go play with your PC or Mac or Linus and stop trying to appear intelligent by insulting invisible people.

    Doc in Abilene

  48. Dumbest thing I ever read.

  49. All though some of this IS exaggeration, Pc>Mac. In my opinion, Mac sucks, AND IS a ripoff of Unix. Right now I’m perfectly happy using Pc, and soon I’ll actually be using Ubunto Linux (Which is sort of like Mac, except with worthwhile add-ons and a terminal and it’s open source[Basically Mac but good])

  50. Two years and still running … Damn … I think I’d hire JJ as a writer …

  51. “Imagine holding your iPhone up and the device automatically unlocking to reveal your home screen. The neat trick is that your iPhone won’t do this for anyone else. If the software on the iPhone recognizes your face, this replaces your passcode. Some Apple patents have recently been revealed that could lead to iPhones recognizing the shape of your hand, which could also replace the four-digit passcode.”

    Again Apple is pretending to invent things.
    The Face recognition, was first seen when Microsoft was developing Natal (now known as Kinetic. [Kinetic is a dumbed down version of Natal.]).

    “iPhones recognizing the shape of your hand”
    Its called fingerprinting, and we already have that. And before any of you say something stupid, I don’t think your whole hand will fit on a phone.

  52. I apologize for my atrocious grammar as well. :

  53. “you’d be surprised how many brands besides apple have rabid fans; Honda, Ralph Lauren, Xbox(MS obviously) and Playstation (sony obviously), its surprising.”

    I know other company’s have “rabid fans” I believe I mentioned that in one of my previous post. But as far as I can see Nintendo, Xbox, and Sony fans keep to themselves and just play there games, they don’t go to everyone saying there console is the best ever. When I told a 360 fan boy I like the PS3 more, he said “Cool, I have both. I like the 360 more because of the layout of the remote, and I had it longer then my PS3 so I got more games on it anyway.”
    You tell a iSheep you don’t like Mac’s they will start preaching to you like you just told a priest you don’t believe in god.

    “you really can’t judge Mac or PC objectively.”
    I know but I was doing that for the sake of argument. The majority of Mac users are iSheep, and when arguing with iSheep they only provide facts from windows 98 and earlier. The rest of there statements are just opinionated.

    Throughout all the arguments I’ve had on this board the iSheep that argued with me always started out trying to prove PC’s suck, and Mac’s are better. But at the argument wont on they stopped even trying to provide facts and just blurted out there opinions. In the end they all started arguing hoe Mac was better for THEM. While I am mostly defending PC or arguing how they are better in general.

    I am not trying to switch them over to use PC’s or anything, I just want to make them see that they are only using Mac’s because they prefer it. Not because it is fundamentally better. Because its not. And my targets aren’t ALL Mac user’s, just the ignorant iSheep that come on this bored.

    They can use what ever computer they want, I just don’t like it when people go, and question someones lifestyle based on the computer they use, or when they try to convert you to use the other system like its a life choice.

    Which to be honest, because of the limited options Apple has they do seem like a life choice. All Apple needs to do is put OS X on a Monolithic kernel then a Mac wouldn’t be so limited.

    When I say limited options I don’t mean no options, I really just mean less options then a PC.
    Example:
    On tiger direct theses are the amount of ram they have for there respected devices;

    Desktop (294)
    Laptop (131)
    ECC (Server) (13)
    Apple Compatible (12)

  54. I also apologize for my atrocious grammar.

  55. Hey you’re not me! :) and by correct do you mean that you can edit the os through third party programs?

    Also at Rawr; you’d be surprised how many brands besides apple have rabid fans; Honda, Ralph Lauren, Xbox(MS obviously) and Playstation (sony obviously), its surprising.

    Also to anyone whom this message applies to; you really can’t judge Mac or PC objectively. If everyone based their decisions on objective reasoning then the world would be bland indeed. No one would have sports cars, no one would have ‘brand name’ or ‘fashionable clothing’ (I am partial to Lacoste which is obviously overpriced, but I have buddies who work at an outlet :) ) No one would eat at fancy restaurants and no one would have oversized houses. You really can’t base things off objective reasoning, as much sense as it makes, it just can’t be done. People have opinions and everyone is partial to them (obviously! haha)

  56. Correct!
    I could criticise Mac better.

  57. This is true, Im sure you could find some software/freeware online to do that on OS X (although OS X doesn’t have a registry so obviously theres nothing to edit there). Im not experienced in OS development so I would definitely mess it up and make my computer cry haha.

  58. Microsoft leaves most if not all of the development software they used to make Windows, I can really mess up my OS if I didn’t know what I was doing, I can rearrange the registry, change how the system searches through files, and allot more. Now these things aren’t useful to most people but I enjoy doing them, and Apple takes most of the OS development/editing software out of the shipped product.

  59. *ssume

    I see what you did there…

  60. Hijorini: Never buy RAM from the computer manufacturer (this goes for ANY brand) always buy third party. As for graphics I only saw “next generation” but they’re still not bad nonetheless.

    RAWR: Actually your post had plenty of facts that weren’t subjective.
    OS X has a lot more freeware and software than you would think, now its not as much as windows but I love the UI of the software. As for peripherals, Ive had zero issues. There is a lot more Mac support now then there was even in 2010.
    The marginal cost actually does equate to more than you would think on laptops. Apple makes roughly $400 on 15″ MBPs, less on 13″ more on 17″ laptops. Its higher than PC profit, but still not a lot. Once Apple gets more market share prices will fall and support will increase.
    As for advanced features could you elaborate? Your post length is fine by the way.

  61. What the fuck?
    Who gives a rats ass about Mac vs PC, besides Consoles are better at gaming anyways.

  62. After seeing that apple wants 200 dollars for 4gb of 1333mhz ram ) http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD314LL/A?select=select&product=MD314LL%2FA ) and calls amd radeon hd 6770 “top-of-the-line”, i suddenly don’t want a mac anymore.

  63. the arcticle is old, but it’s really ironic (or maybe not) that Windows, with the next release just around the corner, is becoming very much Mac-like.

  64. Another thing I like about Windows more then Mac.

    )I’m not very good with words so bare with me.)

    Is that When I use a Mac, it feels like I am using the end result of any other generic product, They made it then took out all the things advance user’s would want to use. So it feels like Apple made there OS with the more general user in mind.

    As with Windows, they made it then shipped it out with all the development tools they used to make it, so you can do what you please with it.

  65. “It costs less to bundle all of the software together, and if you don’t want to use a program then do just that; don’t use it.”

    That’s the thing, why should I use my hard earned money to pay for a program I will never use. Yes, for the user it cost less to buy it bundled, but what if they don’t want any of it? Apple doesn’t even give there users a say in the matter.

    ” Overpricing is a result of marginal cost- Apple has a low market share so they produce less which drives up marginal cost per unit and therefore it drives price above the equilibrium.”

    Yes I understand that but the amount it cost them to build and the amount they gain is too imbalanced. I know that they must up the price to stay afloat but, nearly 2 times the price for there laptops and nearly 4 times the price for there desktops, is way more then them breaking even. The only reasonably priced computer they sell is the iMac -if you compare it to other laptop prices- but even then you are just buying a laptop on life support,(The iMac is made with laptop hardware.).

    “Ehh, Apples marketing is extremely effective which you obviously know.”

    Yes I do know that, but its one of the things I hate about them, there marketing team created the cult that turns a blind eye to the bad Apple does or even interpret it as good.

    Now I will try to say this next part as objectively as I can.

    OS X is lacking at best, it has improved compared to what it once was, and honestly the OS Apple used before that was just terrible. But that was then.
    It still needs some work tho.

    Now because the UI is subjective, I cant really say anything about that but personally; I prefer windows XP and 7 over anything.

    The only objective way I can think to compare the two OS’s is by capability, and compatibility.

    Now by those terms its obvious that Windows is far in the lead, OS X has some caching up to do but they are getting there, Windows has plenty if not to much freeware that can do almost anything any paid software available. But in my past arguments on this board it seems Mac user’s think that there is ONLY freeware available on Windows, so they ask “how is the quality of that freeware” well if the quality of freeware bothers you there is tuns of software that you can buy as well. Now I’m not saying Mac has no software but compared to Windows it appears that way.

    With all the software available for windows, well its pretty much capable of anything. At least more then Mac.

    As for compatibility, well as long as you only shop in the Apple store then Mac user’s never have to take a second look at the peripherals they buy.

    For Windows 7 I’ve used peripherals and software that apparently only work for Mac, so I think that says enough. Although the software did run, it didn’t run as it should. And I launched the software from a usb.

    “but can you honestly say that the fan base doesn’t say something about the product quality?”
    Yes, Yes I can. The extremely loyal fan base of Apple is due to the Marketing team. Take a skilled marking team and the lack of intermediate or advance knowledge about a product, and you get a overly loyal consumer, this is a basic marketing strategy, other company’s do it too, but Apple is the only one that takes it so far.
    Not saying all Mac user’s are like that. but there are overly loyal fans of Apple.

    P.S. Sorry for the long post.

  66. @WELL

    I was stating why I hate Apple, so ALL of it was subjective.

  67. Rawr: 1.Disliking the fan base is “subjective” I won’t say I disagree with you but can you honestly say that the fan base doesn’t say something about the product quality?
    2. Overpricing is a result of marginal cost- Apple has a low market share so they produce less which drives up marginal cost per unit and therefore it drives price above the equilibrium. They also develop all of their software and hardware together so that also drives up price. It costs less to bundle all of the software together, and if you don’t want to use a program then do just that; don’t use it. I agree with configuration, the options are somewhat limited, although they would probably be along the same lines that I would choose with regards to SSDs and CPUs, GPUs are really the only thing lacking. RAM can be had easily, as for peripherals Ive had no issues, do you mean external hard drives or printers? I usually use Kodak or Epson printers.

    3. Ehh, Apples marketing is extremely effective which you obviously know.

  68. I rethought my hate for Apple.

    And the main reasons I hate them are:

    1. The cult like fan base -Apple needs to stop nurturing them, they are the only OS/computer company (That I know of.) that does this.

    2. They are overpriced – some would say its because of the bundled software, others say its because they have a smaller market share so they must increase there price to compensate for that, well if you ask me they are over compensating.

    3. Apple claims allot of things, and most of these things aren’t true or are subjective.

    Well there are was they can fix these:

    1. Stop nurturing the cult, it will take some time but if they see that apple has stopped being so aggressive towards other company’s they may stop too.

    2. This bundled software IS expensive, but what if I don’t want that software or only some of it? Apple needs to let the user decide what they want instead of telling them what they need. And if that brings the Mac price closer to a PC price, then that makes Apple more of a viable option. They also need to fix compatibility issues, not necessarily hardware compatibility, because honestly most people (Mac and/or PC users) don’t know the difference of a HDD to a SSD, most don’t even know what RAM is (not to mention they probably don’t know what any of these acronyms mean.)-but I digress. They need to work on peripherals compatibility, as more users will use external devices rather then internal.

    3. There marketing team needs to talk about the finer points of there products, rather then bringing other products into the picture.

    All in all, Mac’s are a viable computer option, but more geared towards a specific user base. Its Apple who needs to shape up. Its because of the way Apple does things, that’s why so many people hate them.

  69. They’re overpriced
    A lot of programs don’t work on them

    Isn’t that enough reason people?

  70. Gold Card Shop- the keyboard shortcuts aren’t a glitch or problem; thats just you needing to get used to it. You can use pages to create any of those documents- just export-> the file extension you choose-> save-> done. The rest of your troubles could be had on any laptop with a similar case design and i feel you on that. As for the mouse, I prefer magic mouse but theres also a “touch mouse” out that can also utilize lions features nicely.

  71. youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=HL9-esIM2CY

  72. I bought latest version of iphone! ok pretty cool , now i could actually work ON THE WAY….i was thinking WOW…then the latest MAC BOOK PRO 500 GB should be something ABSOLUTELY FENOMENAL THING…well i bought the piece..i am getting used to it now except that i cant create 1.word docs 2. xls doc, and wait wait …start running and spinning with the little rainbow wheel like the guy here said…i didnt even know what it was, must be something wrong…and started to look for a ctrl alt fel thing to get a hold on the stuff…ehmm….what was cmd i actually had to print out the shortcut for what key does what in what combination!!! (pretty nice print button though) well i work alot with corel draw = FORGET IT! i did find a mouse , but the pad thing is pretty cool and you can move around pictures upside down etc,..DEAR MACINTOSH: WHY (I AM CRYING NOW) why did you put 2 usb ports on left side with 2 millimeter s distance?? i have problems mac now..when i plug in the cordless microsoft (mac compatible) mouse , and a hub, and another hub (BECAUSE NO HUB WILL EVER WORK) ok if i plug in my modem for internet , there is nothing else that possible can enter the other hole that is almost totally covered as it is to near the other!! its ok i know its another system, i right now have the 4g modem and the printing cable stuffed in make it looks like i V hmm, where is the system, i still like iphone is the absolute best, but hope microsoft comes out with a killer phone! i never ever even saw a mac mouse , nice details, but not really for workers with design or for that matter, WHY CANT A HUB WORK? IM ON MY THIRD NOW I CANT USE THEM :WHY?….your ipad iphones ipods this is what you should do for ever!! but leave the pc thing to GATES!!! BIILLLL HELPPP…..god bless you all merry christmas and a happy new 2012 god bless goldcard-shop and pharmacia-nordica too

  73. with android, i can have browsers with different engines.
    with ipad, i can only have browsers skins for same webkit engine.

    because of overcontrolling nature of apple, mozilla can only provide an bookmark app.
    on my android, i get to play with these different rendering engines and see the various stages of their mobile developments. makes for an interesting handheld experience. flash is great esp. on chrome – almost all video loads and works quite stably. i dont expect miracles but atleast i dont have no greyboxes in webpages in chrome and opera. beauty of android is most app are in portable java, which means one day it’ll run on atom based android tablet, hopefully we can dual boot windows 7.

  74. I dont mind a pc or a mac but i hate mac fanboys . Just shut up and stick what you had and enjoy it.

  75. overpriced YES!!!
    Suck hell noooooooooooo!!!

  76. See how ignorant users get? they just never shut up treating this like a religion remember kids

    a computer is a computer not a religion use what you have and had fun with it and don’t brag about it .

  77. http://cdn-www DOT i-am-bored.com/media/appleipadplansblacks.jpg

  78. “At Pixar we use proprietary software running on Linux-based PC’s. My favorite software includes Photoshop, After Effects and Animation: Master. I like A:M for it’s simplicity and it’s great character animation tools. It also runs on Mac and PC and doesn’t have demanding CPU requirements. I did my first animations in A:M and I’ve stuck with it ever since. The guys at Hash, Inc. who make A:M are friends of mine.”

  79. 1. Well yes, I am. Its a consumer product, people on this board say all Macs suck, Im the consumer, I find them great.
    2. Fair enough.
    3. Ive found questions and comments regarding the Logitec G7, though admittedly Logitec was a poor example.
    4. How would I know? Perhaps history class? My time comment was regarding you specifically and them darn Nazis
    5. Fari enough
    6.Not really, you were talking about Macs in general being unreliable.

  80. “IM the one being affected by it, IM the one buying it.”

    So you are arguing how Mac is better for you? OK, good for you, glad you are happy with your product. Again to bad your experience isn’t everyone’s.

    “now tell me about PC user complaints of incompatibility?”
    Only incompatibility issues PC users get is trying to use some Windows 7 products on XP, PC users rarely have incompatibility issues with peripherals and software.

    “Ive seen posts of people asking if Logitec mice can give you arthritis.”

    I tried searching for your said post, cant find any. Only things that came up are articles on how Logitech mice fit your hand comfortably, and are easy for people with arthritis to use.

    “Anyway WWII affected everyone, period.”

    How would you know?
    “in ways that are impossible to know since we can’t go back in time.”
    Remember that?

    “You started this with the whole Nazi thing.”
    Yes I did, and now I am trying to end it but you wont let me.

    “Saying that having customers who are generally telling you negatives about a product is better evidence than personal experience is more or less debatable.”
    I said those things to iSheep that claim that all Mac’s are perfect and never have any problems.
    So you just took my statement out of context when you asked; “so how many Apple users would go to tech support if nothing was wrong with their products?”

  81. 1. You started this with the whole Nazi thing. Anyway WWII affected everyone, period. And it was started by Hitler- a Nazi through the invasion of Poland.
    2. Ive seen posts of people asking if Logitec mice can give you arthritis.
    3. Ive researched plenty- mostly through experience, now you say “you are arguing from personal experience” well why wouldn’t I? IM the one using the product, IM the one being affected by it, IM the one buying it. Saying that having customers who are generally telling you negatives about a product is better evidence than personal experience is more or less debatable. You get a larger sample but its always skewed against the product.
    4. Exactly, now tell me about PC user complaints of incompatibility? Ive had them. Its a two way street.
    Most Macs errors that Ive had are generally due to software bugs. But Apple has always repaired them for free. Yes its personal experience that I’ve had, so why would I go to a PC when Ive never had bad experience with Apple?

  82. Also forgot to mention that most of the PC’s I service are do to user error, such as to much tweaking (Most often not approved by Microsoft.) causing system instability or improperly installing hardware, causing BIOS failure.

  83. “And the Nazis probably (99.999% sure) did affect you and your ancestors in ways that are impossible to know since we can’t go back in time.”

    Conjecture gets you nowhere, I know for a fact that my family was not affected by Nazis its a long time tradition in my family to hold records of our history.

    “The MagicMouse hasn’t given me arthritis or even joint pain”
    Did I ever say it was 100%? No I didn’t I said it CAN cause arthritis.
    I have seen post on Apple forums of people asking if the magic mouse is easy for people with arthritis to use.

    “If you don’t use a product then how can you really know its quality?”
    My costumers let me know, and I use Mac’s when my job calls for it. And a little something called research, something that seems to be unknown to most iSheep.

    “so how many Apple users would go to tech support if nothing was wrong with their products?”
    Your Point is? I can say the same thing for PC user’s.
    Most of the Mac user calls I get are due to incompatibility issues and system failure. They come to me because Apple void there warranty for one reason or another.
    Most of the time PC user’s I service never come back with the same problem.

    You are arguing from personal experience. I am arguing from professional experience, personal experience, and research.

  84. @Steve-thats nice to know
    @Rawr Yes iTunes is overpriced- they’re locked into contracts
    And the Nazis probably (99.999% sure) did affect you and your ancestors in ways that are impossible to know since we can’t go back in time.
    The MagicMouse hasn’t given me arthritis or even joint pain
    If you don’t use a product then how can you really know its quality?
    Apples pricing is due to high marginal costs- (basic Econ) low output= high marginal costs, high marginal costs= high prices

    Also on another matter- you’ve said something to the effect of ‘I see apple users all the time who are having trouble with their “insert product here”‘
    Now Im going to guess that you work in tech support (if I’m wrong ignore the following) so how many Apple users would go to tech support if nothing was wrong with their products?

  85. “the iTunes store doesn’t negatively affect those who don’t use it unlike Nazis.”

    Not to belittle the whole affair, but the Nazis had no effect on me or my ancestors. But just because it doesn’t affect me doesn’t mean the event was OK.
    Just like just because you don’t use the iTunes store doesn’t mean its not over priced.

  86. “Also how did I not use your quote properly?”

    You notice how those are your exact words? Your quote of me was:
    “Most of the time theres only one version of the program”

    If you look at my post those exact words aren’t there. You have done the same thing with your previous so-called quotes.

    “Anyway- I didn’t “shrug off” the argument-”

    By stating that the magic mouse and iTunes is a choice you are dogging the argument and implying its OK for something to cause arthritis, or be over priced.

    With your statement on how I may or may not have misused a metaphor. You are also shrugging off the argument.

    So is the iTunes store over priced or not? It doesn’t matter if its a choice or not, like I said before people are still using it. So just because you don’t use a product you are just going to run from the argument? I don’t believe Steve or I ever shrugged of a argument just because we don’t use a product.

    It seems Apple has a bad habit of over pricing their products for no real reason.

  87. ^ Hahaha not _redline_ Im not the aforementioned redline its another website name.

  88. REDLINE. You need to come up with your own lines. I can’t even count how many times you copied or used similar responses. “butthurt” right after I said “butt buddy”. You’re original.

  89. Steve is an angry butthurt microsoft fanboy: So what if I don’t know the intricacies of Mac development? Its not my job. You really are a douchebag but I digress.

    Anyway- Rawr: No your metaphor doesn’t hold up, the iTunes store doesn’t negatively affect those who don’t use it unlike Nazis. The iTunes store is a substitute for other stores. I don’t think you get the meaning of a metaphor- which is meant to compare two similar things-. Its not an argument against iPods that the store which you don’t have to use is expensive. Thats arguing against the iTunes store. The iPod works just fine without the iTunes store.
    Also how did I not use your quote properly?
    Anyway- I didn’t “shrug off” the argument- you don’t like the magic mouse thats not an argument as you say; its subjective. I find it quite ergonomical. You have to hold it like its made to be held.

  90. @RAWR. I completely agree with your statement. These isheep can’t come up with legitimate answers. HAHA is a complete moron and has to go to his apple butt buddy for advice.

  91. Me: iTunes store is expensive, there are cheaper alternatives where you can get more and better quality music, for a lower price.

    Mac user: You don’t have to buy from iTunes.

    This is the same as;

    Me: Nazi’s where terrible people that murdered countless Jews, black people, and mentally/physically disabled people. I believe they also euthanized the elderly.

    Mac user: You don’t have to be a Nazi.

    So just because you don’t HAVE to do something, or you don’t HAVE to use something makes it OK?

  92. “ummm? Im not sure how to respond to that. Choice is kind of your thing.”

    Yes I’ve pointed out how you have more of a choice on Windows, but I never shrugged off a argument just because there is another choice.

    “Well that hasn’t been my experience.”
    To bad your experience isn’t everyone’s otherwise we wouldn’t be here.

    “Pointless changes aren’t an advantage they’re just there. MPC? We have Miro if I don’t like VLC and several others. “Most of the time theres only one version of the program” Well that hasn’t been my experience.”

    I don’t think you get the meaning of quotes, here;
    Repeat or copy out (a group of words from a text or speech), typically with an indication that one is not the original author or speaker.

    “Pointless changes aren’t an advantage they’re just there.”
    What pointless changes? If you are talking about some software those GUI changes are not pointless.
    1. Its stupid, not to mention illegal, to just copy and release the same exact program with your logo on it.
    2. The GUI changes may not be useful most of the time but the GUI of OS X is one of the most used reasons why Mac users like Mac’s, you yourself used that.
    3. Different people have different taste, so pointless changes are subjective, change only happens because it is needed or someone wanted it.

  93. All of it that I’ve downloaded is legal. Mac programs aren’t any harder than windows programs to make. If I’m not mistaken you can make it without Stevie Jobs seal of approval but theres not apple help if something goes wrong. Although I could be wrong, Ill have to confer with my friend who is a developer for macs.

  94. Sorry for the five million comments. Anyway- There you go and shrug off something because there is another choice- ummm? Im not sure how to respond to that. Choice is kind of your thing. I like the magic mouse but any mouse will do, how is that a bad thing?

    Pointless changes aren’t an advantage they’re just there. MPC? We have Miro if I don’t like VLC and several others. “Most of the time theres only one version of the program” Well that hasn’t been my experience. And in my experience all of the programs for Macs are quality stuff.

  95. And how much of the software you are talking about is legal? All the programs I use on windows are legal. I’ve seen reports where Mac user’s get a virus that distorts their system, and when they send it into Apple, Apple tells them that their warranty is void for misusing their product.

  96. go to anythingbutipod there is a zune client for mac. I don’t need a sync profile with every computer in the world. Yeah its nice and thats a cool feature but because I can just put my friends music on my computer its really pretty pointless.
    What do you mean “you can keep the songs if you want to but apple doesnt allow it”-Just drag and drop artists, albums, songs, playlists etc. whats the big deal? If you don’t want to sync your whole library just click sync checked songs. Also Rawr you don’t have to use a magic mouse, any bluetooth mouse will do.
    Rawr: No macs don’t have the sheer numbers of software but you imply that more is better. A lot of PC software are copies of one another, and yes that gives you variety but theres a point where some programs are simply superfluous and the UIs of the players are the same but with a different name. I have around 8 or 9 good media players to choose from but all I really want is VLC so the others are inconsequential.
    And yes Steve UI is subjective but thats fine with me because I want the choice to use a Mac and use OS X or Windows, or even Linux. They all do the same thing but they do it differently and I like that.

    gigaom dot com/apple/15-os-x-customization-resources/ -theres other alternatives to the paid ones, but you can download and customize OS X much more than you are letting on steve.

  97. go to anythingbutipod there is a zune client for mac. I don’t need a sync profile with every computer in the world. Yeah its nice and thats a cool feature but because I can just put my friends music on my computer its really pretty pointless.
    What do you mean “you can keep the songs if you want to but apple doesnt allow it”-Just drag and drop artists, albums, songs, playlists etc. whats the big deal? If you don’t want to sync your whole library just click sync checked songs. Also Rawr you don’t have to use a magic mouse, any bluetooth mouse will do.
    Rawr: No macs don’t have the sheer numbers of software but you imply that more is better. A lot of PC software are copies of one another, and yes that gives you variety but theres a point where some programs are simply superfluous and the UIs of the players are the same but with a different name. I have around 8 or 9 good media players to choose from but all I really want is VLC so the others are inconsequential.
    And yes Steve UI is subjective but thats fine with me because I want the choice to use a Mac and use OS X or Windows, or even Linux. They all do the same thing but they do it differently and I like that.

    gigaom dot com/apple/15-os-x-customization-resources/ -theres other alternatives to the paid ones, but you can download and customize OS X much more than you are letting on steve.

  98. “I don’t need a sync profile with every computer in the world. Yeah its nice and thats a cool feature but because I can just put my friends music on my computer its really pretty pointless.”

    My point was that you can sync a Zune with any computer you want and as many as you want. You cant with a iPod.

    “What do you mean “you can keep the songs if you want to but apple doesnt allow it”-Just drag and drop artists, albums, songs, playlists etc. whats the big deal?”

    1. I never said that.
    2. Apple does not give you an OPTION IN ITUNES to sync on your iPod from different computers. YOU have to do it yourself.
    3. My whole point in that argument was that owning a Zune is more convenient then a iPod I don’t know why you are so hung up on this.

    “Also Rawr you don’t have to use a magic mouse, any bluetooth mouse will do.”
    Again you go and shrug off something because there is another choice. Just because you don’t have to use something doesn’t mean that what I said isn’t true.

    “No macs don’t have the sheer numbers of software but you imply that more is better. A lot of PC software are copies of one another, and yes that gives you variety but theres a point where some programs are simply superfluous and the UIs of the players are the same but with a different name.”

    More is better. And yes some are copies, but on Windows if there is one program you don’t like you have variations of the same program so you can always find something that works for you. In most cases with a Mac you only have whats there, so what if you don’t like a program that’s on a Mac? Well that’s to bad because most of the time that’s the only one you can get.

    You say you like VLC, well I like MPC and there is no Mac version of that.

    “but you can download and customize OS X much more than you are letting on steve.”

    You can do all that stuff on Windows too, and allot more. Ex. I can put the task bar diagonally across the screen, My cousin downloaded a program that removes his task bar and makes the start menu button bounce around his desktop. and there are a tun of other things you can do just for the hell of it.

    As for changing themes you can get allot on Microsoft’s website, you can only get Backgrounds and icons on Apples site.

  99. go to anythingbutipod there is a zune client for mac. I don’t need a sync profile with every computer in the world. Yeah its nice and thats a cool feature but because I can just put my friends music on my computer its really pretty pointless.
    What do you mean “you can keep the songs if you want to but apple doesnt allow it”-Just drag and drop artists, albums, songs, playlists etc. whats the big deal? If you don’t want to sync your whole library just click sync checked songs. Also Rawr you don’t have to use a magic mouse, any bluetooth mouse will do.
    Rawr: No macs don’t have the sheer numbers of software but you imply that more is better. A lot of PC software are copies of one another, and yes that gives you variety but theres a point where some programs are simply superfluous and the UIs of the players are the same but with a different name. I have around 8 or 9 good media players to choose from but all I really want is VLC so the others are inconsequential.
    And yes Steve UI is subjective but thats fine with me because I want the choice to use a Mac and use OS X or Windows, or even Linux. They all do the same thing but they do it differently and I like that.

    gigaom dot com/apple/15-os-x-customization-resources/ -theres other alternatives to the paid ones, but you can download and customize OS X much more than you are letting on steve.

  100. go to anythingbutipod there is a zune client for mac. I don’t need a sync profile with every computer in the world. Yeah its nice and thats a cool feature but because I can just put my friends music on my computer its really pretty pointless.
    What do you mean “you can keep the songs if you want to but apple doesnt allow it”-Just drag and drop artists, albums, songs, playlists etc. whats the big deal? If you don’t want to sync your whole library just click sync checked songs. Also Rawr you don’t have to use a magic mouse, any bluetooth mouse will do.
    Rawr: No macs don’t have the sheer numbers of software but you imply that more is better. A lot of PC software are copies of one another, and yes that gives you variety but theres a point where some programs are simply superfluous and the UIs of the players are the same but with a different name. I have around 8 or 9 good media players to choose from but all I really want is VLC so the others are inconsequential.
    And yes Steve UI is subjective but thats fine with me because I want the choice to use a Mac and use OS X or Windows, or even Linux. They all do the same thing but they do it differently and I like that.

    gigaom dot com/apple/15-os-x-customization-resources/ -theres other alternatives to the paid ones, but you can download and customize OS X much more than you are letting on steve.

  101. Looked into my Antivirus history logs and noticed that all the virus reports were false-positive’s.

    I’ve had this computer for 3 years, and there has only ever been a report of 36 possible infections. And those are all the cracks I’ve has throughout the years.

    Cracks are modified .exe’s mainly used to, play games without Steam or a disk.
    I use them often because I hate Steam and being able to play without the disk is very convenient.

  102. “well on a mac you have the freedom to program the trackpad for two finger right click, right corner right click, or through third party- the entire right side right clicks.”

    I can make my right click open Chrome or any other program, granted I would lose the normal right click, but I can also make my own drop down list when right clicking and holding the Fn key (I can program a different key if needed.), and I can put what ever I want on that list.

    And the shape of the magic mouse inconvenient, not to mention it can cause arthritis, and is hard to use for people with arthritis.

    My mouse fits MY hand I don’t have to make my hand fit my mouse.

  103. “And you say barely any software on a Mac? Sure, right?”
    Are you implying Mac’s have tuns of software?
    Well what numbers are you using to compare that with?
    Something cant be allot unless there is something with less in comparison.
    And if you compare Windows to Mac’s, then yes Mac’s have “barely any software”.

  104. I would never use OS X, I am more then happy with Windows, I dislike OS X’s UI and pretty much everything else about it. not to mention the all the key combinations you need to do simple stuff that you can easily do on windows with right click. Yes, Mac’s have a programmable right click too but I’ve used its not nearly as usefully as Windows right click.

    If you have bean reading my post at all, you would know that I see no logical reason to use Mac’s. Only subjective reasons. Ex: “I find iPods case designs and UI to be better.”

    “Less money? Well that depends”
    Owning a PC in general is less expensive then owning a Mac.

    “You CAN keep your music when you switch to a new computer”
    Yes you can if YOU do it yourself, Apple doesn’t give you the option to do so.
    I can have a sync profile for every Windows computer in the world with a Zune, Can you have a sync profile on every Mac in the world with your iPod? Without making any sort of commitment to Apple?

    “Better quality? In what respect?”
    When I talk about quality Its not for subjective reasons like the look of a product. I mean the capabilities and performance of the product.

  105. I completely agree, Neil. Microsoft didn’t jump on the bandwagon and throw out a tablet or media player right after apple did. They waited and they made a fantastic media player and soon to be a great tablet.

  106. After being a PC/windows user for most my computing life, I was possessed to buy a MacBook in 2007. I can now say that the ‘book is for sale on ebay so I can buy a new win7

    laptop to replace it. (i hope some real hip doofus buys it. It is truely retro-chique, you know!) I never got used to OSX interface which is FAR inferior to Windows or even

    free linux distros. Plus developments on the OS are sad. Snow leopard was a back-end update, which I bet most Mac retards wouldn’t appreciate or even notice. And Lion is an

    utterly ridiculous attempt at dumbing down a PC OS to the level of an embedded device. I do appreciate my iPad (as much as my Android phone and Kindle Fire) – but I don’t

    want my PC to be an iPad… Apple’s focus on apps at the expense of the concept of files and innovation will be their end. Honestly, the “launcher” mentality versus an

    integrated work environment reminds me of Windows 3.1…. The biggest innvoation apple has brought was the ipod – which was really cool, but in the meantime, Microsoft brings

    Kinect, Surface, Photosynth and other technologies that are truely front-of-the-book. Not just excuses to sell more handhelds and media.

  107. I would love to see apple make a video game console. It would be $800.00 at launch date and $600.00 for the next 4 years. It would be the power of a Wii and the controller would be a trackball on a stick. They are a complete joke.

  108. The whole “fighting for the little guy” is getting really old. Sometimes the little guy really does suck and you can’t do anything about it. If apple was so great the numbers wouldn’t be what they are today.

  109. My customers tell the story. Having an apple computer is more hassle than good. That’s a fact or I wouldn’t be getting so many returns from these apple users.

  110. Wow. You can program a trackpad to do things? That’s great! You can program a Windows computer to anything. Anything you can do on a mac I can most likely do on a PC. Not the other way around. If it’s not built into Windows someone made software to do it.

  111. Once again, everything you say is based around your opinion not fact. OS X is more pleasant to use? I completely disagree. Fact, there no software for a mac. Ever go to a computer store and look at the mac section? Well there is no PC section. The whole store is PC! Fact, there is no Zune software for a mac. Go to Zune dot net.

  112. Butto combo? How being able to use two fingers anywhere on the trackpad worse than having to be relegated to one spot for your right click? And again- you say “PC is better because of freedom” well on a mac you have the freedom to program the trackpad for two finger right click, right corner right click, or through third party- the entire right side right clicks. Im sure theres more, probably a left side right click for all those crazy people.

  113. Um you can use Zune for mac. Also, you do know that if Apple were to license OS X it would get a ton of support right? Also if it were to be free licensed then you wouldn’t be under Apples control as you say. And you say barely any software on a Mac? Sure, right. Anyway why would you want OS X? Well I find it much more pleasant to use. As for software, I have all the software I could want. Most large freeware companies have a mac version of their product- VLC, Open Office etc.

  114. And I have real right-click on a PC. There is no true right-clicking on a mac without extra work to do it. You need to configure the mouse to right-click or do some stupid button combination. Somehow apple users are twisted and think a button combo is easier than clicking ONE button.

  115. @MICHAEL. No one on this board even talks about the actual article. Its not the article we care about. It’s everything else we’ve been saying on here. And everything on this board is fact. All you apple users come up with is opinions and childish banter. Example being: “the only reason PC users hate mac is because they are poor.”

  116. Zune HD sound quality has been tested to be better than the iphone or ipod touch. Look it up.

    No, I would never use OS X under any circumstances. What exactly is the point? So I would put OS X on my PC only to use bootcamp to run Windows 7? What the hell. What kind of fucked up question is that? There is nothing about OS X that I want. No mac only software could ever make me switch. My computer never crashes, I get Zune (you can’t on a mac), and I get a huge selection of software/games (barely any on a mac). I can customize my computer to the fullest. I can go to any store and not have to worry it won’t be compatible with my PC. Lastly, I’m not stuck under apples control. I still don’t get your question. Why would I want it?

  117. Dude – almost every fact you list here is just NOT TRUE! It is your lack of knowledge that makes you dislike Macs.

  118. Less money? Well that depends, Ive only spent the cost of my iPhone, the rest of my music is stuff that Ive borrowed from friends, or bought from my local used Books/CD/Movies etc. store. You CAN keep your music when you switch to a new computer, but you’re right with a Zune its easier. Better quality? In what respect? I find iPods case designs and UI to be better. But if you mean iTunes store songs- yes they are average, which is why I import CDS.

    Besides that, Im really wondering; this is directed at anyone on this comment section- if Apple licensed OS X (which would give it a lot more support for crap) to put on any computer (they would have to recode it, yes) would you have it on your computer?

  119. I only use Windows media center for music and my TV tuner, I watch videos on MPC.

  120. You misunderstood me I said “Just like how other people bring up Sony and Alienware when they mention overpriced PC’s.” It was an example of how Mac user’s shrug off things like the expensiveness of Apple, but then they talk about Alienware and Sony, those are choices too.

    “No, you don’t only have apple for music.”
    Never said you only have Apple for music, I said you only have Apple for Mac’s.

    “Also how does me not knowing every mac user make the argument that mac users don’t have to use the iTunes store invalid?”
    Just because you know a few people that don’t do it, that doesn’t mean there aren’t people who do, iTunes store obviously has costumers otherwise it wouldn’t be up. But you said “You do NOT have to buy from the iTunes store. I don’t know why you keep posting that as an argument Steve.” implying that no one uses it.

    My main point is that Apple doesn’t give you the option to keep all your music when syncing to a new computer (unless you make some sort of commitment even then they limit you.). And that using the Windows equivalent to Apple is less work, less money, and most of the time better quality.

  121. Agreed. I use VLC for everything video except Blu-ray. For some reason they haven’t released Blu-ray playback yet.

  122. And Rawr: yes Windows media center is better than the player but I find VLC to still be the best movie player out there.

  123. No, you don’t only have apple for music, thats the whole point. I can buy or borrow music from anywhere or anyone I want to, put it on my mac and add it to iTunes. You dont have to delete all the music off of your iPod- hence the manual selection of music; otherwise if you want to you can sync the entire library its up to you. Thats my point. Also how does me not knowing every mac user make the argument that mac users don’t have to use the iTunes store invalid? If i know one mac user that doesn’t use the iTunes store then my argument is valid by default. Plain and simple you don’t have to buy from iTunes. You don’t have to use apples store the end. You can have an iPod and eat your cake too.

  124. Personally I enjoy Windows Media Center, its a huge improvement from Windows Media Player. Although I use Media Player Classic for videos.

  125. I get a lot of people use itunes software just fot the software, but I really don’t get it. It’s such a horrible program.

  126. $1.29 a song on average. Huge rip off and isheep will pay it.

  127. “you can manually add music and movies”
    With Zune you don’t have to do it manually, you can if you wanted to, but you don’t have to delete all of the data on your Zune to sync to a new computer.

    “No one I know buys their music from iTunes”
    Unless you know more then 61,200,000 Mac user’s that argument is invalid.

    “Of course their is a limit of 5 machines per iTunes account”
    Key word “account”. That’s another example how Mac’s only become moderately useful when you commit to Apple. What about the computers that aren’t on that account? what if you don’t have an account?

    “You do NOT have to buy from the iTunes store.”
    And? just because its a choice doesn’t mean iTunes isn’t over priced.

    “I don’t know why you keep posting that as an argument Steve.”
    Although it may be a choice to use the iTunes store or not, it is still a valid example of how Apple exploits there consumers.

    Just like how other people bring up Sony and Alienware when they mention overpriced PC’s, there are tuns of other PC manufactures so you can always find the price right for you. With a Mac you ONLY have Apple.

  128. So because you don’t know anyone who buys music from itunes that means no one does it? I know quite of a few isheep that buys only from itunes. I also know a lot of isheep who buy their friends itunes gift cards. Do you know 2 people?

  129. @Steve No one I know buys their music from iTunes, you can sync any of your music on iTunes. As for “having to delete to sync” you can manually add music and movies- boom done just drag and drop any of your friends music on your iPod. Of course their is a limit of 5 machines per iTunes account but have 2 computers so I don’t need more. Again- iTunes is a program not a store, the iTunes store is the store. You do NOT have to buy from the iTunes store. I don’t know why you keep posting that as an argument Steve.

  130. Macbook Pro 15-inch: 2.2 GHz (12/1/2011 – store.apple.com)

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  131. I love how we PC users give straight facts. We give every single detail, numbers, references, and experience. These apple retards come on here without any facts and say “you can’t afford it”. How is that even an argument? And who do these people think they are? You don’t know how much anyone of us make and you make claims like that. For all you know we could be millionaires and make 10 times as much as you. So keep that shit to yourself.

  132. It’s a fact that apple sells older hardware in their computers and charges you double. I just built a new PC about two months ago for around $1,300.00. Everything except for the video card is the best money can buy. From the motherboard to the monitor. I didn’t skimp on anything .. well except the video card. I didn’t want to shell $300-$400 on a video card just yet. Anyways, apple doesn’t sell any computer half as good as mine and somehow their computers are double the cost.

  133. I was just about to say that, but RAWR beat me to it. 92% or the 1,840,000,000 Windows users. 92% is poor and jealous of mac users? Yeah that makes so much sense. These mac users are the most ignorant people I’ve ever seen. I own and run a successful business. I CAN afford macs and could buy 10 right now if I wanted to. I choose not to because they I prefer Windows. Is that the only defense these ignorant mac users have? So if you like Windows you must be poor?

  134. Which is why the, “Apple makes more money and is thus better.” Is a very dumb argument. Its money out of my pocket.

  135. In actuality, most of the components in an Apple based computer can be bought cheaper from another company, basically when you pay for an Apple computer, it’s the brand name you are paying for.

  136. Please note that those percentages are of the desktop and laptop market share only they do not include mobile devices like Tablets, smart phones, MP3/4 players, Etc.

  137. There are approximately two billion Computers in the world.

    6% of that is Mac’s, So that means about 120,000,000 Mac users.
    2% of that is Linux/Free BSD, Then there are about 40,000,000 Linux/Free BSD users.
    So that just leaves the 92% or the 1,840,000,000 Windows users.

    You can rant and rave about how your Mac is equal to a super computer, but in the end about 1,720,000,000 people prefer Windows over Mac.

  138. I can take ANY computer and i mean ANY FUCKING COMPUTER IN THE GOD DAMN WORLD and put windows on it! u can only have os x on macs! so you dont have any choices, sure u can chose different configs but in the end you can ONLY chose apple. what does that sounds like to you? if thats normal to you then maybe u should go back to mother russia.

  139. I use Mac’s almost every day at work fixing them….. I get more calls from Mac user’s then I do PC users, and yes I can afford one, but so what? just because they are expensive doesn’t mean they are good(Ex. The best Graphics card on the market is about $700 but you can buy cards that CANT out perform the $700 cards for over $2000.). If Mac’s are so bulletproof then why don’t you try using facts to defend them not insults.

    And again you are trying to say that 92% of the computing population is wrong. So because you don’t agree with it, it’s wrong? (I don’t know what communist country you grew up in, but democracy don’t work that way)
    Apple came out with their computers first so why is Microsoft so far ahead of them? Its not the marketing team, in all honesty Apples marketing is better then most company’s, iSheep are the proof. So Apple has a better marketing team then Microsoft, they released their computers before Microsoft, so how did Apple get stuck with only 6% of the market? It’s obviously the quality of the product.

  140. OMG, do you see whats happening in Syria? In spite of a brutal government crackdown, the demonstrations continue

  141. I think he is totally right. I’ve been using a Pc for 8 years, And I am marvled at the differences bettwen them (Much more on Macs side). I say you read both there comments. And I think that the reason that they did this (me also) was because they were so enraged by the fact that people that cant afford Macs just rip them off. I dont know the guy who made this website is (he might have been dropped on his head as a child, been abused, etc.) But i know for a fact that everyone here who comments that macs suck probably never bought/used a mac in there entire life.

  142. U troll! im 99% percent sure ur a poor fagot who just rips off anything u cant get like a spoiled brat!!!!!!!! Mac is the fastest, most reliable computer out there!(exageration) It almost never gets viruses (like you do) and when it does, it takes about 2 seconds 2 remove. I spent over 2,000$ trying to find a PC that actually helps me and one that I dont need to keep finding a tec dude to fix it!(And WTF is zune? How many ppl heard of iTunes compared to zune?).

  143. Also with the Zune you don’t have to LOSE ALL YOUR MUSIC, to sync with a new computer. I don’t know about you but I have a laptop and a Desktop and I have music on both that I put on my MP3 player I even occasionally take Music form My sisters netbook, and I don’t have to delete all my music to get new songs from different computers.

  144. Not to mention the itunes service is a huge rip off and the software itself sucks. Save your money and get Zune. $10.00 a month for unlimited songs. Do the math .. 10,000 songs on itunes is as least $10,000. On the Zune it would take 100 years to spend the same amount and you get unlimited songs.

  145. Horrid things those MACs. Computing would never have evolved if it were up to Apple. Microsoft is the answer to desktop/laptop computing.

  146. i just got a mac these christmas and i’m very disappointed
    i can’t download any of the mmo’s that just came out or even been out except world of war craft and i hate that game
    and this docking shit is unnecessary
    why can’t i just right click y does it have to be so damn complicated just keep it simple DAMN!!….
    *sigh*
    WTF mac my mom bought it for me because she heard it was easier than a pc but that fancy shit is just another expensive virus
    im just another unhappy mac owner :/

  147. @GO PICK YOUR KNOWS

    Nice list of facts.

    If you love Apple so much why are you searching for a list on why Mac’s suck?

  148. Spoken by a true expert on Apple products? You obviously are very misinformed or have never used/owned a Mac. Being an ex-PC owner of over 20+ years I can attest that I now own Mac’s I will never go back to the PC world. So it sounds like from reading “Everything” You had to say, your a bit jelious of Apple products or you were an neglected child?
    Being in the IT industry profesionaly I deal with PC issues on a daily basis. I am not a “hipster want a be” (what is that anyway?) I might be considered a “nerd” but a well informed one ;-)
    I may have not even posted a reply to this but I couldn’t help after reading all of your adolescent jibberish.

  149. For those of you who think Apple has 10% of the market, you are only half right. If you are talking about computers, laptops, tablets, phones, MP4 players, Etc. They you are right. But as far as Desktops and Laptops go, Apple only has 6% while Microsoft has an astounding 92%. So if Mac’s are so wonderful why do so little people use them? Apple even got a head Start on Microsoft, how did they fall so far behind Microsoft? Or are you gonna say that 92% of the computing population is wrong?

  150. “The web cam worked on my Mac OS Tiger machine without installing any drivers. Too bad the software CD is Windows only.”

    Another typical review from an apple user. Sure, the webcam MIGHT work, but the software that comes with it wont. That’s a shame.

  151. Apple computers and gadgets are like most typical Americans. “IDIOT”

  152. “Xbox 720 is due next year so, XP will probably be dropped soon”

    Did a bit of research and I found out that Windows XP is 48% of the market, that’s 12% more then Windows 7 and 40% more then Vista. and 44% more then OS X.

    After seeing these numbers, I don’t think Microsoft is stupid enough to drop 48% of there market.

  153. Thought this was interesting:

    netmarketshare.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9

  154. “steam- works fine for me”

    Getting Steam on Mac is “retarded” in my opinion (In fact I don’t like Steam at all.), if you wanna game you are better off getting a PC. But if you are intent on gaming on a Mac (and you have a decent internet connection.) get OnLive.

  155. “Maybe market share determines the development of apps? yes thats definitely it. OS has nothing to do with it.”

    True in most cases, but not Apple’s. Coding for OS X is difficult at best, not only that, Apple wont let you distributed software unless they approve or endorse it.

    “how “Macs file system sucks” because I think you just don’t know how to use it.”

    When he said that I don’t think he was talking about the GUI. I think he meant the way OS X operates and accesses it’s system files.

  156. steam- works fine for me
    flash- isn’t as good as HTML5- HTML5 uses less resources, and is free and open.
    Java- works fine for me
    Word- I like pages better but word is fine
    firefox- well its a bit bland but it doesn’t suck
    hitachi- don’t use my drive a lot but they’re fine
    Maybe market share determines the development of apps? yes thats definitely it. OS has nothing to do with it. My macbook pro has had ZERO heating issues and I run it fairly hard. You sure do complain a lot about arbitrary things which are either A. Not apples fault B. User errors C. Market errors or D. were definitely apples fault but are now pretty much totally resolved

    Lastly please explain how “Macs file system sucks” because I think you just don’t know how to use it.

  157. Well ok then since you’re just giving out your opinion based used what you prefer what’s best for you.

  158. hahaha, i think torvalds thinks mac filesystem is crap, so please dont lumped “Linux and OS X on the other hand are far more efficient” together. linux is efficient, the other i cannot comment. when filesystem is crap, usually efficiency is out the window.

    what even constitute an os? gnome has a gui shell and rudimentary gvfs on a linux kernel, much like osx has a gui shell and its crap filesystem on a freeBSD kernel. gnome is not considered os, why should osx? shouldnt osx be “desktop environment x”?

    at least microsoft has a kernel source of its own roots not built upon *nix and dealt with all combinations of kernel updates and driver versions from various source(built-in and 3rd party). so does linux on various drivers and generic hardwares.

    your os should be much cheaper because your maker supports only a small narrow range of devices drivers and probably recompile the gui shell and your various bundled ilife lite stuffs from osx 10.0+ sources with minor changes, without diverting much developer resources. every new version of windows has been updated with newer version of directx. along with it, is boatload of enhancements like new gpu features, performance, kinect, etc. all this affects everyone even none gamer, for instance skype is tied to directx so it probably uses least resources on windows. similarly, i heard flash is real hog on other platforms from some mac users.

    which brings me to the next subject. you often heard from mac users on their platform,
    flash sucks
    steam sucks
    java sucks
    word sucks
    chrome sucks
    firefox sucks
    hitachi drive sucks

    maybe something is inherently wrong with your architecture that facilitates the development of so many sucky apps? maybe stop pointing fingers at other. given the low spun quiet fan, maybe cpu is throttle down in those small/slim form factors. such toasty environment may be okay for cpus but maybe there are many reasons “hitachi drives mac” forum.but oh no, with mac users, it can never be my imac, it’s perfect. so is jobs’ shit. i mean quit fingering others unless she is beautiful.

  159. Well Eric Schmidt- head of android was on the board of directors for apple and helped design iOS so I guess it rubbed off. I think iOS is becoming dated but its still easier to navigate IMO than WP7. Im looking forwards to WP8 though. I can change the layout on OS X, but you’re right not as much as Windows. Im happy with it the way it is though so its not a huge deal.

  160. Not to mension I have the freedom to do whatever I want to my Windows layout. There are a plethora of ways to change the taskbar to the lock screen.

  161. @HAHA. Of course this is only a matter of personal opinion, but I think Windows 7 has the most sleak UI. And Windows Phone 7’s UI is refreshing. Android and iphone have similar and bland UI.

  162. @Yeh; grammar aside, I see PC people browsing the web too so “..”

  163. “If macs aren’t toys why do they look them? Even the OS looks like something Fisher-Price thought up.”
    Really? I think Windows looks like something Congress would think up. Its messy and poorly designed. Linux and OS X on the other hand are far more efficient. They require fewer steps to do what you want, if you know what you’re doing that is.

  164. and you seen them internet browsing the web like tumblreling on there free time so “…”

  165. sorry I think they are a piece of shit and I hope someone locks me up if I EVER say I am going to buy another mac, they have been NOTHING but a source of trouble. If you are considering buying a mac go throw you cash in the toilet and flush as you will gain more benefit or you can join the Holy than thou mac rollers and listen to the propaganda.

  166. i have a mac and i had noticed this pros and cons of it
    cons
    its too expensive
    when it breaks it costs a fortune to repair
    you cant change the battery
    you cant improve the flash memory
    office is not realy the same
    people at mac stores are very determind to ruin your day
    god they over heat
    pros
    its easy to use if you understand it
    you can run windows

  167. I have a macbook and a imac. The imac has been sitting with a blown power supply and the mb is also sitting now locked up AGAIN. $4K plus of equipment that is a pain in the ass door stops. I have had an apple IIc, a IIe, and and old mac years ago. The imac came with a faulty power cord and the macbook had to be fully replaced one month after I purchased it. I recently wrote a book and had to stop midway because Word kept crashing and I lost much material. Now this piece of shit macbook won’t open my files without giving me a blank screen and then shutting down. The problem is that ‘mac people’ act like ‘apple’ if a fucking religion – wake up they are JUST TAKING out money and are fucks and laughing all the way to the bank. Control freaks –

  168. If macs aren’t toys why do they look them? Even the OS looks like something Fisher-Price thought up.

  169. “The best graphics card ATI (AMD) makes is the Radeon HD 6990. Not compatible with mac.”

    In fact ANY dual GPU card will not work on Mac, that includes CrossFire.
    Apples OS X cant handle more then one GPU, people say you can use boot camp (meaning another reason you should just get a PC.) to run CrossFire but even then with some of the newer cards it doesn’t work.

    And if you say some thing like; “Mac’s aren’t toys they aren’t meant for gaming”

    Then NEVER bring up graphics or gaming when defending Mac’s, you are just digging your own grave.

  170. “If all you care about is gaming, don’t get a Mac. But to say that graphics in general suck on Macs show you’re a complete idiot, and are completely without any knowledge of Macs or graphics.”

    You didn’t give any facts on why you think macs have good graphics. Have you seen their line of graphics cards? They are laughable in comparison to what you get on a PC. Which is one of the reasons no one makes games for it. I love it when these mac users come on here and say stuff like “you’re a complete idiot, and are completely without any knowledge of Macs or graphics” but they don’t even take their own advise. The best graphics card ATI (AMD) makes is the Radeon HD 6990. Not compatible with mac. That is their biggest and best video card. If you go to applestore.com the best video card they shell out is the Radeon HD 5870 1GB. Now I’m a huge nVidia guy so what if I wanted nVidia on a mac? Oh yeah, they don’t make any for the mac! If you go to nVidia’s site their cards will work with Windows, Linux, Solaris, and FreeBSD. Next time you accuse people of not having any knowledge please do some research first. How is calling someone an “idiot” and saying “you have no knowledge” going to convince anyone that mac has good graphics? That just shows you’re either lazy or a moron. Probably both.

  171. @BRANDON
    Thanks for you insights on Mac, all the facts you provided really made me see the error of my ways.

    ^ Sarcasm.

    “Mac OS X is NOT Linux. You’re an idiot if you think it is a form of Linux.”
    Linux = Unix
    OS X = Unix

    so OS X = Linux is only half true.

    ” But to say that graphics in general suck on Macs show you’re a complete idiot, and are completely without any knowledge of Macs or graphics.”

    Right back at you.

    “So you think Windows Movie Maker is better than iMovie? You’re a moron. I cannot even begin to imagine how you live with your stupidity.”

    You must of been up for months to think that up.

  172. The author of this is a complete ignoramus, who knows little or nothing about Macs, and perhaps reality as well.

    I have a brand-new ThinkPad and a brand-new MacBook Air. The Air is FAR faster than the Thinkpad, far lighter, far more durable, and guess what? Cheaper too. They are both about the same age. The Thinkpad has already crashed. The Air has not.

    Anyone who thinks Macs have more viruses than Windows machines is clearly on hallucinagens.

    Mac OS X is NOT Linux. You’re an idiot if you think it is a form of Linux.

    If all you care about is gaming, don’t get a Mac. But to say that graphics in general suck on Macs show you’re a complete idiot, and are completely without any knowledge of Macs or graphics.

    If you don’t like the Dock, turn it off. It’s there to make new users instantly able to find the major programs.

    So you think Windows Movie Maker is better than iMovie? You’re a moron. I cannot even begin to imagine how you live with your stupidity.

  173. Tumblrling + youtube + facebook + star bucks + itunes +

    Not a film maker or a musician? who needs a mac

    go for a notebook or a netbook if you only browse the internet.

  174. APPLE SUCKS! TRUE STORY!!

  175. Apple sucks untill I can buy this “idesigniphone dot net/wallpapers/03373 dot jpg”

  176. “No MS said that they wanted to go all touch”

    I used the pre-release of windows 8 for dev’s and ya it does seem to be built four touch, and personally I didn’t really care for it. I especially don’t like the new Start Menu. So unless you can turn off all the tablet functions like you can with win7, I probably wont be upgrading to win8.

    On a lighter note, good news for XP fans, you can upgrade to Windows 8 and keep all your XP programs and settings. Although I don’t know if that will still be true for the official release.

  177. 1. Xbox 720 is due next year so, XP will probably be dropped soon
    2. No MS said that they wanted to go all touch
    3. I think so too
    4. There are some including (Ive been reading awhile) Steves Rainbow Six game, One of the FIFAs and I think CIV 4 is preferable in vista
    5. Indeed

    Semen- I got your metaphor, you don’t have to go to iFixit for pentalobe screwdrivers, a few things I have at home use them, they aren’t rare just obscure. (sounds contradictory but its not)
    About IE- microsoft wanted Apple to package it as part of a deal Billy G and Stevie J had made regarding MS”s development of applications for OS X. I personally don’t have a problem with either company.

  178. ” XP will lose support soon so its not a huge deal either.”

    I think it would be a good thing if they dropped XP support, I mean its been 10 years since it was made. It would encourage dev’s to use DirectX 10 and 11 more. But I think XP will still get support till they upgrade the 360’s hardware and give it directX 10/11.

    ” Sure you can set 8 back to 7 style but you know Microsoft is going to phase that out.”

    You mean like they phased out making 7, vista style or XP style or even 95 style? Oh, wait. You can still do that. =)

    “As for the screws my 2011 MBP uses phillips head.”
    That’s good to know. I hate it when any company uses some strange screw head, instead of using Phillips or Flathead, is it so hard for them to use whats common?

    “People still use XP but its really not that practical unless you want to play XP only games.”

    There are no “XP only games” anything that was made for XP only will run on Vista and 7, all games will still work for XP, unless they use DirectX 10 or 11. But the only game I can think of that you cant play on XP, off the top of my head is Just Cause 2.

    “MS also has sued over petty things and has controlling policies on Xbox crap and some software.”

    Yes, they are a bit picky whats on there console, but you can say the same for Sony and Nintendo.

  179. hahaha,

    i know both are american. duh. but i am glad alas, the lesser evil wins in wwii and the computing world as well. i didnt say msoft is not evil. i say the lesser of two WEvils wins if you catch my drift which you probably havent.

    if you keep track of how aggressive apple are at patenting things (some very dubious) now and suing samsung and htc lately, you ll know why. i know msoft have policy like xna sdk built for pc is freely distributable but must be licensed distributed in xbox. but where did they say you cannot built fps or realtime strategy game because its a duplicate functionality because xbox is release with halo and age of empire. well they said that for their ios, with the browser which is why you get opera mini and not opera mobile and a firefox bookmark app and not a firefox browser.

    i remember when os x was first release, fear at that time was like the chicken-egg-which-comes-first conundrum, not enough app to convince people, not enough people to convince dev to make apps.

    at that time, they were touting and hailing java apps as being supported first class in os x. remember back then, java was purely interpreted slow and yet it was ok for apple. fast forward few os x iteration, steve calls it a ball and chain despite java gaining native performance today. yet interpreted language like javascript is allowed but java is not on idevices despite early osx roots. although javascript is jitted like java, it is nevertheless still slow compared to a strongly typed language like java. android davik shows it is feasible for java to be on mobile smart devices and battery lifetimes. even flash acrtionscript has better performance than any javascript implementation currently. and they called it a resource hog. and if security is of concern, java is sandboxed and flash is regularly updated. what a 2 face, apple people are. when they need you, it’s ok. when they dont, they are bad mouthing you. but who really lose in the end. consumer, on android, i can choose to disable/enable flash but on ipad, i can only petition for flash support or if you lose, you can join non-productive mac fanboys and spread about useless flash hog. at the end of the day, i can watch videos directly from website via flash, you cant.

    and if antenna is not a problem, why are they asking you (as if u r a kid, sigh, only mac users will put up with it) to hold differently? obviously a problem. similarly, if virus is not a problem, why are there antivirus products on mac?

    if you must specially order from one site ifixit for your screwdriver, you have already been SCREWED. what a pentalobe, mac users are ,to put up with it and not realizing it.

    and back then they were also mentioning, “We don’t know how to make a $500 computer that’s not a piece of junk, and our DNA will not let us ship that,”, i guess now ipad is now junk too. mini is priced around $500 too, so now they are junk maker too. bad mouthing other pc manufacturer is just not what i expect from a respected company.

    at one point, even apple wanted internet explorer as default on os x and hailed it as best browser but as soon as konqueoror source is available and feasible, it’s adios to ie and webkit is spunned off as new project.

    all mac users are claiming how editing are better on mac. bullshit. a lot of 3d and video editing program are tied to strong gpu support for effects these days. pc people get the best drivers from nvidia and ati as well as sli, x-fire support, etc. i have used opensource drivers for nvidia on linux, while it is developed by the-people-for -the-people, it’s just adequate in performance. you would seriously think nvidia is goin to hand over critical performant specs. maybe on the day they close shop, they will finally hand over specs for the advance parts of gpu technology. but all benchmark currently on opensource linux and mac drivers are slower than the windows drivers.

    with such strong foundation, of course games/cad/video effects rendered with gpu are less glitchy, better performing playback (less cpu) of hd contents and its no wonder flash have better performance in windows. why because microsoft laid down support for directx and easy installation of 3rd party drivers. support such as slight update versions of kernel dont throw them back to console mode. because the entire os is design to work various hardware schemas whereas apple hid it so if you put a different videocard in a hackintosh, or a kernel update in mac, you’ll probably have a black screen due to missing drivers

  180. Well, if you live in a first world country you have the freedom of choice to not buy a Mac, As for the service you can take it to any Apple authorized dealer to get it repaired. I personally enjoy knowing that they aren’t going to screw it up, or if they do they’ll have to fix it. As for the screws my 2011 MBP uses phillips head. I know some use pentalobe but you CAN buy pentalobe screw drivers- they’re actually pretty useful, they make a fine gouging device as well as a lovely Kebab stick. :)
    As for the iPhone Antennagate scandal, I have an iPhone 4 and haven’t experienced this, but I do live in an area with good coverage so I can’t speak to that. As for the Germans and WWII, Apple is american and so is MS. MS also has sued over petty things and has controlling policies on Xbox crap and some software. Apple isn’t perfect of course but neither is MS.

  181. i want to love mac as they are asthectically pleasing, but in my eyes, they dont act like other companies. they make you make appointment like seeing a doctor to repair, change to weird screws and screwed you. have artificialy, controlling policies on sdks, usage of tablet. patterning and suing all obvious stuff and trademarks. dont admit to wrong – iphone antenna debacle. thank god, germans didnt win the war, and microsoft have the upper hand. it will be a much more evil world in the other hands. lesser of two WEvils – american over germans and msoft over apple anyday.

  182. hahaha, small view of the world, you have.

    those are not different rendering engines. mini does it through proxy hence can’t do some javascript rollovers, the rest are gui wrapper around built-in webkit. there are people who like to play with say gecko rendering engine but can you on a ipad? no because sdk forbids building 3rd party browsers, interpreted languages – like smalltalk, java. is their policy. is it a fair open platform to you for both user and developer?

    html5 may be open, so is flash – gnash?. so is java, but open source for those projects are questionable and lagging behind.

    flash is fantastic for me on android. i watch a lot of day to day videos on history, discovery,a&e channel. try goin to a big site like http://www.lucasarts.com and you are left with a greybox with no html option to navigate. there are many more of those sites before you like all mac users start spreading about how you have been fine, using just pure webbrowser to surf the web all these years.

    well, you dont represent the real world, 90% pc users, we are not fine without flash. not everything is converted in html5, theora, webm, h.264 and navigational menus. plus you know how much more work for developers to encode videos in different formats for different browser. what good is an open html5 video to platforms when opera, firefox, chrome, ie, safari choses different video formats. as a result, you gotta keep 3 copies of same video to please everyone. gimme a break.

    you really think flash is a resource hog, have you go to any html5 vs flash benchmark site? then, tell me which ones are the real hog. when all ad companies starts duplicating all FLASHy effects in pure html5, you will beg for adobe flash back.

    counter-intuitive? how about clicking button and dragging files across a big widescreen to trash can? or clicking button and dragging files to another folder when i can right-clicked, cut and paste in to folders? if my finger tires while dragging over such a big widescreen and unclicked the button, i would have lost my folder. or dragging files to install when you can double click any file like all files to view, run it. instead, you now have multiple paradigm to adhere- picture files you must double-click to view, program files that you must drag n drop to install, program files that must double click to run.

    what’s worse minimize, maximize, close buttons are on the top left side far away from scrollbar. compounded with slow acceleration curve of your mouse, macs can’t be use to watch porn in office environment. mouse would be too slow to move from the scrollbar all the way to the top left to the minimize button. see mac are not friendly to the corporate world. before you spout-off about how you, advanced mac users, no longer uses those max/min/close buttons anymore – but alt-functions keys instead, remember we are talking about porn, left hand is busy below belt . so dont you go bleeting about intuitive. truth is the contrary.

    again, small view of the world. if say i bought a dvd player, it comes with powerdvd player which i like. why do i want to shell out for a newer version when i migrate to new os version. some poor kids spends their money on 30s software, games will have to pay 30 x 100$ = 3000$ to upgrade to an OS that cost $300. go on change architecture and breaks people’s software. this is why corporate world never move on to mac. specialized corporate apps runs in $1000-$10000s imagine licence per heads on all machines if microsoft breaks them. they are not just spending money on os upgrades, that’s peanut.
    if apple does not take serious, than that bootcamp is not for me.

    besides my email is semen@collector.com

  183. Sam; why do you assume everyone with an apple laptop is trying to be cool? I see people on tumblr on PC’s. Just because they’re not doing work doesn’t mean they’re trying to be cool. -_- K? Kind of douchey to think everyone who uses Facebook on a mac is “trying to be cool”
    Also you can easily hook up a separate monitor to an iMac, its DVI but whatever. Works fine for me.
    3rd party browser for iPad, well lets see, theres Atomic, Mercury, Opera mini, iCab, Dolphin, what do you mean? Semen- funny name BTW.
    Also, flash is terrible- i think iOS should enable it but its a resource hog and you have to pay Adobe if you host flash crap. HTML5 is a much better platform to use. But I know “typical apple fanboy lololol”. Flash IS restricting. HTML5 is open so you’re contradicting yourself there.

    Personally I don’t want a touch based OS like Windows 8 on my desktop, its counterintuitive. Sure you can set 8 back to 7 style but you know Microsoft is going to phase that out.
    As for switching between architectures it hasn’t affected me at all. Tiger is 6 years old. People still use XP but its really not that practical unless you want to play XP only games. But if you’re just playing games then it won’t affect your work life. XP will lose support soon so its not a huge deal either.

  184. ubuntu 11.10 needs special version of iso tailored for macs – non standard efi.
    non-standard efi, ports, batteries, hds with thermal monitor, cables, keyboards, screws are reasons i hate them. makes for expensive repair or replacement parts.

    whats worse than walking in bestbuy along the mac shelves seeing just just 2-4 models on display, is to walk in a pacific mall toronto and see none of the small computer boutiques carrying any macs. guess small boutique stores are not prestigous enough to be authorized to sell crapples. stupid policies are what i hate.

    3rd party co. cant even write a browser for ipad because of anti-competitive, paranoid policies. which is why android is so much more interesting. i have opera mobile with flash, firefox and chrome with flash to experiment and play with on my android. android does everything! ipad could if it is not for stupid restrictions.

    adobe should continue to improve on flash to help tablets to distinguish themselves from ipad. once ipads are eliminated, then flash will be naturally ubiquitous with mobile device. no stupid policies restricting any 3rd party company from deploying on any device ever again.

    microsoft should encourage adobe to keep flash going. i mean microsoft is trying to break in the tablet arena. any extra features like flash will set them one step better than a device displaying a grey box. also, all company like acer, google, asus, and esp. samsung should plead and encourage adobe. the enemy of my enemy is my best friend.

    switching back and forth architectures – 68k-> ppc-> x86 -> arm? breaks software compatibilties as with supporting/removing support for rosetta and java. i mean how many revisions of os (tiger (rosetta)-> lion (no rosetta)) did they have to maintain to prematurely stop supporting them. is it that hard of work to recompile their source code? atleast microsoft was legally restricted from developing java. i mean if i have a huge plethora of binaries like games, cads, i rather trust microsoft as they understand binaries investments by kids and big corp. matters most, as opposed to apple pushing people along the upgrade curve and requesting people to simply rebuy an updated versions of photoshop.

    do i want apple in my future on the desktop and mobile. i think not. i think choice is good and healthy. pc and android brought that on the table.

  185. there phones are ok but the mac computers ” urrrr no comment”

  186. Apple is just fkn riddiculous. They can only sell computers to people whose knowlege about hardware is almost none.

  187. The only desktop part they have is there CPU’s (I’m not to sure about that tho.).

    They use SO-DIMM type ram and if you look it up, yes that is laptop memory.

    There “graphics card” (I put that in quotes because I am unsure if they actually have a card or use on-board.) Is the Radeon HD 6000M series, the M stands for mobility, Mobility Radeon is AMD/ATI’s laptop graphics series.
    There Mobility series has almost half the power then there desktop cards.
    Not to mention that the 6000M series is about the same as some of the later 4000 series cards.

    The monitor is a part of the damn thing so even if you wanted to use your new bad ass HD monitor that you got for like $1000+ you cant.

    And it uses a 2.5″ HDD that just happens to be the same size of a laptop HDD.

  188. “You seem to think the Mac Pro is there only desktop.”

    Someone said this a while ago, and I just remembered something interesting.

    The Mac Pro IS Apples only desktop, if you think the iMac is a desktop you couldn’t be more wrong, iMac’s are made with laptop hardware, so u get all the immobility of the desktop but none of the power a desktop has.

    So really the iMac is a reasonably priced laptop, that you cant use on the go.

  189. I was on Amazon, tigerdirect, and newegg today looking for a wireless repeater, so I could extend my WiFi range throughout my house.
    And what do you know, none of them worked for Mac, even some of the reviews cautioned buyers not to purchase the repeater, because it does not work with Mac’s. Or they say that you must have a PC as well because some needed a firmware update.

  190. I was browsing on Amazon and someone gave this rating to a seller.

    “Don’t buy from this seller!!! I needed to return an item that was unopened (it was for a PC and I have a MAC) and he wanted to charge me a 20% restocking fee!!”

  191. Macbook Pro 15-inch: 2.2 GHz (12/1/2011 – store.apple.com)

    2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
    4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB GDDR5
    MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
    SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $1,799.00

    HP dv6tqe series (12/1/2011 – hp.com)

    2nd generation Intel Core i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz
    8GB DDR3 System Memory
    750GB 5400 rpm Hard Drive
    1GB Radeon(TM) HD 6770M GDDR5 Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
    15.6″ High Definition HP LED Brightview (1366×768)
    Blu-ray player & SuperMulti DVD burner
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $939.99

  192. 4 is only half true. It is a lock down version of Unix not Linux (even tho Linux is Unix based.), or to be more precise the XNU kernel.

    “OS X uses a “micro” kernel that only attempts to handle core system.” Which is one reason why OS X only works with hardware that is built for it.

    Windows uses a “monolithic” kernel that attempts to include every possible function by default. And can be made to include new functions as necessary.

  193. 7, 8, 9, and 10 too.

    6 is subjective but I agree with it.

    Please note that I am only reading the words that are in bold.

  194. Some of it is still true. like 1, 2, and 3.

  195. Saw a guy tumblr on a Mac trying to be cool on facebook. On public showing off I was like -.- K

  196. i’m assuming this was made a long time ago, since a lot of this is completely inaccurate

  197. A Song for you two, youtube dot com/watch?v=wCgx8zM3woQ

  198. Anyone that writes an article as long about why something ‘sucks’ has no life.

  199. Anyone who gets caught up in the childish “my OS is better than your OS” obviously has no idea what what they are talking about. I hope you grow up before you join the real world.

  200. It takes all the might in the world to do CTRL + V. Thats why I hate PC.

  201. I remember in middle school, every classroom had 4 Mac’s and only two of those Mac’s ever worked, and those two didn’t work very well.

    Then for Science and Math classes they would bring in carts filled with PC laptops.

  202. Looked in my spam folder for the first time in a while, and what do I see but a tun of free offers for apple products.

  203. Saw another guy in tumble and facebook for like an hour been acting cool on there macs while I’. Was doing logic pro on my mac book (which is important) . Not really worth buying if they aren’t doing music . I also had a gaming pc which I really like it so far no problems if you know how to use the computer right . Only idiots had a virus gotta loled at these mac users trying to make comebacks in this thread while they are just giving the facts.

  204. If you wanna over pay for a fancy case go to Alienware.

    And all of Apples computers are laptops even there “desktop” the iMac is made with laptop parts.

  205. for that price “somewhat bad” pc parts stuffed in a bland looking case is more like mac

  206. macs are no more than a few somewhat good pc parts stuffed in a nice looking case.

  207. Mac fanboy

    1. a loser fanboy who defends his apple products by splitting hairs and saying superior technology is a blatant rip off of his device. usually found and quickly banned in android or windows forums.

    2. that loser at the mall who checks his email or otherwise just makes it look like he’s doing something on his macbook in a public place such as starbucks, the mall, etc… in his mind he is the coolest person on the planet

    Mac tard

    Someone who thinks Apple computers are a godsend having zero knowledge that they’re not as bulletproof as Apple claims. These people blindly pay the hefty price premium for an Apple computer just to surf the web, listen to music & check email. And they think they’re better than everyone else because their computer is shiny & polished which is apparently more important than performance or battery life. To them, it’s form over function.

    Apple says Macs are “immune” to infection. Is that why you can buy Norton Anti-Virus for Mac? If Macs are so perfect & “just work”, then why does Apple quietly release updates (i.e. Snow Leopard 10.6.8.2) which is a 170MB update & contains multiple security patches, bug fixes & stability tweaks?
    PC User – Nice new Macbook you got there. Have you updated to the latest service pack?

    Mac User – Huh? No need, it’s perfect, I just downloaded & installed the latest Snow Leopard 10.6.8.2. It was only 170 megabytes so no big deal!

    PC User – You know what a 170 megabyte update is right?

    Mac User – No, what?

    PC User – That’s a Service Pack, like what you would find in Windows.

    Mac User – (covers ears) – No! I don’t believe you, la la la la la la!!!

  208. Windows is so awesome you can make music with the default system sounds.

    youtube dot com/watch?v=f2ZxninaO5s&feature=related

  209. “Once again I have never had a virus of any sort on any mac machine. Is this luck?”

    Its called Virus definitions, if you don’t have antivirus you cant even see the viruses you have.

    “In the meantime I am constantly troubleshooting my parents’ PCs even to the point of having to wipe drives entirely.”

    They must be doing something wrong. My dad doesn’t even know what RAM is and hes been using his little netbook for 2 years, he has not once had a problem with it.

  210. “PCs are cheaper than macs for a reason… they are TERRIBLE.”

    By that logic OS X is a piece of crap because Windows cost more.

  211. “My computer works EVERY DAY for EVERY SECOND of the day”

    You need some sun. I mean I normally get mad when someone questions another persons lifestyle, but seriously? every second of every day?

    1). You need a hobby. (not on your computer.)
    2). That is a waste of electricity.
    3). Get some sleep.

  212. Maybe the guy is a midget. How on earth could someone have hands that small.

  213. And that is your experience, not everyone’s.

    I have built all my personal computers, the oldest one is 13 years old, still works just fine (Mind you it was made with hand me down parts from other old comps friends and family had.) I gave it to my younger brother so he could use it for his school work. I have not once had a problem with any of my parts (Except my graphics card, but that was MY fault not AMD’s or Windows.)

    I don’t own any Apple products and I have a generic MP3 player and a Droid for a phone.

    “Macs aren’t customizable because they dont NEED to be.”

    No they aren’t customizable because they still use old logicboards and there OS cant handle other hardware.

    “Why is it that on a PC, to simply do a copy paste command you have to hold down control and then stretch your fingers as far as humanly possible to reach the C and V keys.”

    You must have really small hands. By the way I used Ctrl + C and V to copy and paste that, and I only had to move my pinky and index finger.

    “and if you want to right click, you simply hold down the option key”

    Really? I just right click, no middle man.

    “but there are inferior PC versions”

    You seem to think PC is a brand, if you wanna get technical Mac is a PC too.
    PC = Personal Computer.

    ” It’s Mercedes (Apple) versus Ford (PC)”

    I didn’t know they made computers that you could drive.

    ” but it is true that macs arent built for gaming – they aren’t TOYS”
    Yes, yes, most Mac users get all pissy and throw tantrums when you bring up gaming.

    “I have a 2.93 GHz QUAD CORE that crushes games”
    And? I have a dual core 3.4GHz OC to 4GHz and I can run any game at max settings. Is that slow CPU supposed to impress anyone?

    “something called QUALITY CONTROL”

    Yes! If you mean that Apple gives you low Quality hardware and makes you pay for it as if it was new, then they Control your options. Then Exactly!

  214. I mean’t pinky and ringer finger by the way. I was just laughing too hard and messed up. What a moron.

  215. “Why is it that on a PC, to simply do a copy paste command you have to hold down control and then stretch your fingers as far as humanly possible to reach the C and V keys”

    Are you a 10 year old girl? Strech your fingers as far as humanly possible? That is freakin hilarious. I can do CTRL + C/V with my pinky and index fingers you numb nut.

  216. You really must be a complete moron if your computer crashes that much.

  217. “unlike a PC that has pieces built all over Asia and the rest of the world and once pieced together”

    I hope you realize that apple manufactures nearly all their products in China. apple signed a huge partnership with 2 Chinese manufacturers, Foxconn and Inventec.

    “why don’t you get rid of your ipod and iphone – those are ingenious apple products too that have only completely changed the way people communicate.”

    I’ve never owned an ipod or iphone and I never plan on it. Windows Phone 7 uses Zune. Zune is $10.00 a month for unlimited songs while itunes is $1 a song. I have 10,000 songs. You do the math.

    “they last about a week before they all stop playing nicely and stuff starts going wrong”

    My last desktop PC lasted 8 years. In fact it’s still working. I gave it to my brother. He wanted an older XP machine.

    “The amount of times I have had a mac lock up due to anything in any given year I can count on one hand”

    I can say the same thing about my PC. Whats your point?

    “You have no CLUE what you are talking about”

    You obviously don’t since I just schooled your ass in everything you just said.

  218. okay. So I have been using macs and PCs BOTH for business for the past 20 years. PCs are cheaper than macs for a reason… they are TERRIBLE. Macs are “overpriced” as you put it because their parts are built in a few places and there is something called QUALITY CONTROL, unlike a PC that has pieces built all over Asia and the rest of the world and once pieced together, they last about a week before they all stop playing nicely and stuff starts going wrong. The amount of times I have had a mac lock up due to anything in any given year I can count on one hand, and NEVER, NEVER, EVER have I had issues booting up which I get all the time (I run a PC lab) on my PCs at work with hard drives failing, video cards not working, fans dying and the whole nine yards…. You mention viruses. You have no CLUE what you are talking about. Once again I have never had a virus of any sort on any mac machine. Is this luck? In the meantime I am constantly troubleshooting my parents’ PCs even to the point of having to wipe drives entirely.
    Macs aren’t customizable because they dont NEED to be. You can order extra ram and a different video card and all that stuff when you buy one just like any other computer. The point is, when you customize, you start chucking in all those parts from Singapore, Taiwan and everywhere else and well, good luck with those running well for you.
    I have a 2.93 GHz QUAD CORE that crushes games, but it is true that macs arent built for gaming – they aren’t TOYS. Back to price for a moment… sure I spent like $2800 for my computer, but guess what? I will use it for YEARS and will put ZERO dollars into it. So feel free to buy a PC that lasts maybe 2 years and goes through 3 hard drives and video cards and everything else and wastes your time fixing it and is busted 24/7. My computer works EVERY DAY for EVERY SECOND of the day. Literally. No BS. My OLDER model still runs the same and my wife use that (a Dual Core) and it’s 8 years old and is still solid. I am a Graphic Artist by the way and run multiple high end design apps at once, again, on BOTH platforms, and PCs don’t come close… It’s Mercedes (Apple) versus Ford (PC). Oh, and the multi-click mouse? If that is PC’s claim to fame, they can have it. Answer me this: Why is it that on a PC, to simply do a copy paste command you have to hold down control and then stretch your fingers as far as humanly possible to reach the C and V keys. What genius came up with that? On a mac the command key is just to the lower left and its fast and easy (and if you want to right click, you simply hold down the option key, hardly difficult… so it’s an Option click)
    Anyhow, keep your mouse and your cheap parts and feel free to “customize” your own speed demon box for gaming that you’ll wind up sinking twice as much time, money and energy into.
    By the way, while you are complaining about macs, why don’t you get rid of your ipod and iphone – those are ingenious apple products too that have only completely changed the way people communicate. Oh wait, but there are inferior PC versions of those too that you’ll probably argue are better also…

  219. I agree.

  220. “As for grammar, its pretty important stuff”
    Yes it is, for things like work, essays, books, and arguments.
    If I’m posting a comment on YouTube or talking to my friends on Xfire, my grammar is nonexistent. I also refrain from using words that take to long to type.

    Ill leave it at that or this will be a whole new argument that has nothing to do with Apple or PC.

  221. I think I said that I was creeping Steve, yeah I did. RAWR: I am a fairly laid back person, well except when it comes to work.
    “looked that hard” – wasn’t hard at all, I wanted to see how far back this argument went, and lo and behold who else but my good friend Steve had a post near the very beginning. Yes I did find that interesting.

    As for grammar, its pretty important stuff. I usually point crap like that out, but admittedly my grammar hasn’t been the best in these posts of mine.

  222. @STEVE
    Lmao that was funny

    I have been here seance the start of this post. Tho until now I did more reading then commenting.

  223. @RAWR. I agree. Most of the time when the argument doesn’t go the perons way they correct your grammar. Very old.

  224. What I find creepy is the fact you looked that hard. What are you stalking me? I’m glad I never put my last name or you’d be all over me. You perv.

  225. ” but all professional studios use macs-fact”

    Not a fact, true that most do use Mac’s but there are some that use PC’s and others that use both.

    “Oh and you are taking this pretty seriously.”
    I think I know me better then you. If you think I’m being serious, then you are just laid back in comparison.

    If you mean the way I type, this is how I type when arguing about something. Because in online arguments when people run out of defenses they usually target your spelling or grammar. A good example would be TUCANSAM.

  226. “who I found out after some creeping”

    It’s creepy that I’ve been posting since 2010? I wasn’t expecting that. Can’t really say much else. RAWR already said everything perfectly.

  227. Indeed he did. Well I do film stuff on my Mac but aside from multimedia (which is subjective yes, but all professional studios use macs-fact). Anyway yeah I’m going away now. Oh and you are taking this pretty seriously. Not nearly as serious as Steve who I found out after some creeping, has been on here since early 2010. Dude, you must get bored at work.

  228. JONNYTWOSHOES just summed up your whole stance in 3 lines KOKOMO.

  229. Windows is for people who want to be in control of all aspects of there OS (with some limitations although those can be bypassed)

    Mac is for people who just want to get on their computer do what they need to do and get off without having to worry about all the technol stuff.

    Also for hardcore gamer’s Windows is a must

  230. “If you can’t utilize a mac better than a PC then don’t buy one- kinda my whole stance-”

    That’s the only thing you needed to say.
    That’s all that stance requires you to say.

  231. “you’re soooooooo serious”

    I am not at all serious. (Joker)

    If this argument (if you can even call it that) doesn’t matter then go away.

    “Heres my stance “I can do my work faster and more efficiently on my Mac- fact. If I can do my work (which is the point of purchasing a computer) faster and more efficiently on my Mac- and ergo make more money- then why would I prefer a PC just because its more cost effective in the short run?”
    Everyone has ignored this. Why?”

    Again that is YOU, you are arguing on how Mac is better for YOU, congratz go get married to it.

    I am trying to argue from a objective stance as I did with REDLINE and TUCANSAM.

    “but you have implied that PC’s are the ONLY way to go”

    I have never implied such a thing, or meant to.

    “You shouldnt be cramming your opinion (mac sucks) down their throats”

    You seem to be the one doing that not me.

    “- negatory amigo.”

    I think the little things like that is why swimtrunks called you a ass.

  232. If you can’t utilize a mac better than a PC then don’t buy one- kinda my whole stance-

  233. “No I’m implying macs have better software. Quality> Quantity”

    What happens if you don’t like that software Apple has?
    You may be satisfied with it, (You may be forcing your satisfaction because it is your only option.) But what if someone isn’t? They can do nothing about it.
    Will you tell them to use bootcamp? so not only do they have to shell out $2000 for a laptop that has inferior hardware and cant do as much as other laptops for the same price, they have to spend the extra $150+ for a OS they probably don’t even like?

  234. I have to wonder why you’re soooooooo serious about the brand of computer you use. God help you if you ever get into debate about stuff that REALLY matters.
    I am expecting a reply along the lines of “So what you’re saying is you have no argument and you give up.” Well because everyone argued for a point that I never argued for I guess I was never really arguing. Heres my stance “I can do my work faster and more efficiently on my Mac- fact. If I can do my work (which is the point of purchasing a computer) faster and more efficiently on my Mac- and ergo make more money- then why would I prefer a PC just because its more cost effective in the short run?”

    Everyone has ignored this. Why? Well I guess because its kind of irrefutable, because like I said- different people want a different computing experience. And they have that right. You shouldnt be cramming your opinion (mac sucks) down their throats. I know I have not once said “you should switch to mac” and neither of you have said “switch to pc” but you have implied that PC’s are the ONLY way to go.- negatory amigo.

  235. “1. No I’m implying macs have better software. Quality> Quantity”

    Prove it.

    “but it equals most peoples who have REALLY learned OS X”

    I know more about OS X then you why? how? It’s my JOB to know. And I still don’t like them.

    “all of my friend who have bought macs haven’t gone back- fact.”

    All people I know like PC;s more then Mac’s. – Fact
    MORE people use and like PC’s better then Mac – Fact
    PC’s can do anything Mac’s can and more. – Fact
    I can make more baseless facts if you want me to.

    “No I’m implying macs have better software.”

    I’ve used Mac’s supposedly “better” software, Windows has equal or better software.

    Until you have used every software Windows has to offer then don’t bring up software quality.

  236. “I can rearrange the dock any way i want and the icons- fact”
    Not ANY way you want. But that is true for windows, I can make my taskbar stretch diagonally across my screen, Why would I do this? No idea. But I can.
    I can even remove the taskbar if I really wanted to, I could even get Mac’s Dock.

    “I said garmin has an entire software suite for mac- fact”
    Lots of company’s make software suite’s for Windows.
    Then there’s Windows infinitely expanding freeware.

    “utilize- Make practical and effective use of -webster: what do you mean apple won’t let me utilize OS X?”

    They wont let me utilize it in the ways I want to. But that’s MY experience.

    “I can utilize OS X better than I can windows- it IS technically a fact.”

    It doesn’t matter what you THINK it is, it is not a fact.

    “Anyway, we can play this game all day.”

    You are the only treating this like a game.

  237. 1. No I’m implying macs have better software. Quality> Quantity
    2. fine. Im still going to use my mac.
    3. back atcha
    4. but it equals most peoples who have REALLY learned OS X- all of my friend who have bought macs haven’t gone back- fact.

  238. No, but my argument was- heres a quote- “I can do my work faster and more efficiently on my Mac- fact. If I can do my work (which is the point of purchasing a computer) faster and more efficiently on my Mac- and ergo make more money- then why would I prefer a PC just because its more cost effective in the short run?”

    So why are you and steve berating people who don’t need a pc and prefer a mac for their daily lives?

  239. “basically shit that gets stuff done rather than omgggg Mac sux you cant play crysis! ”

    You are implying that Mac’s have more software.

    If you claim that, Mac’s software is better then whats on Windows then.
    1. that is your opinion (no room for that in a argument.)
    2. Most often the same software that is on Mac is on Windows. (or carbon copies.)

    “So I’m a douche bag”
    No you are a douche bag (<– my opinion), because you are trying to argue off of your opinion, and in a argument of opinion's no one can win.

    " I can utilize one os better than another?"

    Again your experience doesn't equal everyone's.

  240. @RAWR: no I meant that the hardware isn’t OLD, its overpriced. But really not old. Save for Blu-Ray and USB 2.0
    steve said “NO USB 3.0” (and I pictured him angrily shaking his fist at this point) Macs have thunderbolt, is that old? I said USB and Thunderbolt are both intel. So intel will phase out USB- point is USB is becoming antiquated within 18 months.
    you’re a dumbass- that was in response to steves post, i like to reciprocate the favor.

  241. I can rearrange the dock any way i want and the icons- fact
    I said garmin has an entire software suite for mac- fact
    utilize- Make practical and effective use of -webster: what do you mean apple won’t let me utilize OS X?
    I can utilize OS X better than I can windows- it IS technically a fact.

    Anyway, we can play this game all day. Macs are more overpriced than PC’s fact; how does that mean they suck though steve? you keep posting the same specs over and over. Peripherals; they’re really not THAT hard to shop for, any BestBuy worth their salt will carry mac peripherals, also the Apple store and major Wal-Marts. So its really up to preference. I think you don’t like the fact that Mac people are happy with their computer even though its overpriced. I really do; if I’m right in this assumption (it is an assumption) why is that?

  242. “Ive had ZERO problemos with my AirPort Extreme.”

    Your experience doesn’t equal everyone’s.

    “omgggg Mac sux you cant play crysis!”

    Who said this?

    “You have no real argument so you just insult me.”
    “You’re a dumbass”

    Out of context? Yes, but its still there.

    “Overpriced, yeah- old? No recent graphics, sandy bridge, ssds, thunderbolt- which there will be peripherals for because it’s intel.”

    So you admit you are overpaying for old hardware?

    ” If I recall it took awhile for USB to get off the ground.”

    Your point is? even if that was true it is still more used then firewire.
    So in comparison if it “took awhile for USB to get off the ground.” Then firewire never got off the ground.

    Is there any point in ether of us saying this? No there isn’t.

  243. “Nothing I’ve said is fact?”

    Nope not a thing you have only been stating your opinion, nothing wrong with that but you cant build an argument off of a opinion.

    For such a unified system Apple seems to leave allot of things out of there Mac’s

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  245. You can’t utilize the mac OS if you wanted to. They won’t let you. I’ve rearranged everything from the lock screen to the icons on my taskbar just because I can.

  246. You can use hdmi through adaPters. Should you have to? No, but you can.

  247. So I’m a douche bag because I can utilize one os better than another? Nothing I’ve said is fact? Mmm, not true ill explain in a few minutes I’m not at my laptoP right now. I have no software? You’re a dumbass for saying that. Fcp, aperture, native auction, logic pro, pro tools etc. basically shit that gets stuff done rather than omgggg Mac sux you cant play crysis! Overpriced, yeah- old? No: recent graphics, sandy bridge, ssds, thunderbolt- which there will be peripherals for because it’s intel. If I recall it took awhile for USB to get off the ground. You have no real argument so you just insult me. That’s real mature there.

  248. This is what the isheep will say. “I don’t play games, I don’t need blu-ray, USB 3.0, or HDMI.” I use HDMI with my 24″ LED monitor because DVI looks like shit. I use USB 3.0 with my external hard drives and I can tell the difference between USB 2.0. DVDs look horrible on HD monitors and TVs. So yes, I also watch blu-rays on my PC.

  249. apple is like Redbox and Netflix. They get new release movies about a month later than Blockbuster. Same goes with apple with computers. They get new technology and games months or years later.

  250. KOKOMO. You’re an isheep. You’re worse than a fan boi. You’re worse than REDLINE. You’re a douche bag. Nothing you say is actual fact, its all an opinion. The real fact is you need bootcamp, you have no software, you have a lot of compatibility issues, and your computers are overpriced junk. The reason I say junk is because apple sells old shit. All their computers are basically out of date. No blu-ray, no USB 3.0, no HDMI.

  251. Sooooooo, is that a yes or no?

  252. Apple Jack off

    1. a loser fanboy who defends his apple products by splitting hairs and saying superior technology is a blatant rip off of his device. usually found and quickly banned in android or windows forums.

    hat loser at the mall who checks his email or otherwise just makes it look like he’s doing something on his macbook in a public place such as starbucks, the mall, etc… in his mind he is the coolest person on the planet however this is farthest from the truth.

    3. people who go to an apple store just to look at the shiny aluminium computers that must produce diamonds for the price they’re sold at.

  253. apple fanboy

    1. A person who believes in almost anything that apple says and gives into it’s marketing strategy. 2. A prime target for apple marketers to impose their superfluously costing products to. 3. A person who honestly believes that Windows XP or Vista is Archaic, Inferior, Does Not Work, or just plain ripped off ideas from the Mac OS. 4. One who waits in line for days in some instances, for Apple keynote speeches. 5. One who believes adding an “i” prefix to anything is automatically superior to anything that does not have an “i” in front of it.
    Most apple fanboys will possess three or more of the following:

    1. iPod
    2. iPhone
    3. Macbook
    4. iMac
    5. Mac Pro

  254. Yep that sounds right. So I could be wrong but what Im reading into this is you’re implying Im a fanboy? Again, correct me if I am mistaken. And you’re absolutely right, PC and Apple both have fanboys. Any brand or label will, its just human nature to attach to a marque.

  255. A fanboy is any person who is the unthinking pawn of a major label/brand. A fanboy is just about the most annoying creature on earth, particularly in the heated debate of Mac vs. PC or in the realm of politics. They tend to be really irrational, and unwilling to look at both sides of the debate: repeating things by rote and being completely partisan. Also, the typical fanboy is totally uninformed and biased to a precedent, hence the repetition of rote sayings or facts/myths.
    Mac fanboy says “Apple can do anything! Even make an edible iphone, if only to prove they can do anything!!!!”

    PC fanboys says “PC for the win!”/”Mac’s may crash less but their crashes are worse!”

    both tend to be dumbasses

  256. .. Apple Fanboy: “M$ is teh sux0r! Apple pwns!”

    Windows User: “Windows has a wide selection of software and games, and a huge developer community.”

    Apple Fanboy: “BUT IT CRASHES AND HAS VIRUSES LOL”

    Windows User: “My OS hasn’t crashed since I had Windows ME. And AVG is a free program that keeps my computer secure.”

    Apple Fanboy: “BUT WINDOZE SUXX!”

    Windows User: “Would you care to tell me about your Mac? I hear it doesn’t have many tools for software developers, which are important for my work.”

    Apple Fanboy: “lolololol but windows sucks!!!11”

    Windows User: “Did you know that a great amout of Apple software is made with Microsoft Visual C++?”

    Apple Fanboy: “omg wtf is C++?”

  257. I said that earlier, but no one seems to care. Im fairly bored so I don’t mind this lunacy. Its rather amusing. Regardless chill guys has a valid statement.

  258. Not a ” RELIGION”

  259. Remember kids is just a computer use what you prefer don’t bash things up . Trying to defend themselves. just loling at the battle between laptops.

  260. posting the specs= proving a point that isn’t being argued. So you’re still beating a dead horse.

  261. Im not even talking to you kokomo im Posting the specs =

  262. SAM: I haven’t had one that wansnt repaired for free. Again, it depends on what goes wrong. Thats like saying- if you wreck your car how much will it cost to fix? It depends.
    TANKY: A mac is a PC, a PC is not a Mac, capische?
    LOL: you’re not reading my posts, good job.

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  264. store.apple dot com

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  266. Again if is not free, how much does it cost?

  267. People that bootcamp on a mac also mean that they want a pc.

  268. Again, you’re not reading my posts. I did in fact say that Apple computers are not a good value for money. So you’re beating a dead horse. Also take a look at Sony VAIOs vs that Asus in terms of pricing- also you’re comparing a desktop to a laptop- laptops are always overpriced. Thirdly- I did say macs aren’t a good value for money.

  269. Mac 17-inch: 2.4 GHz

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  270. Ive always had mine repaired for free. My friend has had several macs some in warranty some out. Of the 2 that have broken both were out of warranty (one was an iMac, the other a MaBook Air) and both were fixed free of charge. The Air had an issue with the logic board, the iMac had a harddrive issue.

  271. So whats the cost of the laptop that the mac has to be repaired if there’s something wrong?

    And how long do you had to wait?

  272. swimtrunks: when have I ever been an ass? I think Ive been very polite. Also- you haven’t read anything I said. Obviously.
    Steve: Wasn’t trying to impress anyone- Im saying that there are people who obviously prefer Apples experience. And Apples router definitely killed their OS? Ive had ZERO problemos with my AirPort Extreme. So I don’t know what could’ve happened there. I also know PC users who have had problems with their linksys routers- so thats not really a point.

    RAWR: 1. Yep if alienware is for the enthusiast- thats subjective- just like I prefer my Mac for film, multitasking, and general productivity.
    2. touche
    3. because its designed together it GENERALLY- (keyword) works better. And if something goes wrong then Apple will know exactly what happened.
    4. Its all good.
    5. *marketshare. And the software base is finite; software quality is up to debate as well.

    All of this is really an argument for OS X versus Windows. As Macs can run windows if they needed* to .

    Also Steve: I can do my work faster and more efficiently on my Mac- fact. If I can do my work (which is the point of purchasing a computer) faster and more efficiently on my Mac- and ergo make more money- then why would I prefer a PC just because its more cost effective in the short run?

  273. KOKOMO stop makin a ass outa yourself. all youve been sayin is just ur opinion steve are rawr are providing facts, on how pc’s out perform mac.

    an honstly after readin some of their post i think ima swich to a pc. mac sounds terrible in comparison to pc.

  274. “You can do anything you wish on a PC”

    That right there is the reason my employees and I use PC.

  275. If you noticed there where “” on my Alienware post, I was quoting myself.

    Again the very word “best” is subjective, just because you think Mac does things better then windows that doesn’t mean everyone thinks that way.

    And how is it a good thing that you can ONLY use hardware and software Apple endorses?

    Yes, I did twist your words, sorry about that.

    But it is true that Mac’s are geared towards a more specific user base.
    While Windows, and PC’s, doesn’t really have a specific user base, because of PC’s infinitely lager software library, both free and paid. You can do anything you wish on a PC.

  276. “Theres AirPort for macs, so routers aren’t even a real issue.”

    I find that funny because I’ve had people say the software that came with their apple router crashed their OS and they had to reinstall it. Lastly, 200,000,000 other people? That’s suppose to impress me? PC users kill that number. Try over 400 million PC users in 2011 alone.

  277. Yep, pretty much. Thats what I do though, I buy tools that are specifically made for a purpose, and are the best at that purpose. Useless? Now you’re stretching it a bit and twisting my words as I’ve notice you guys sometimes do. I could say “so you’re telling me pcs are only good for gamers, thrifty people and people who code a lot?” But that would be untrue now wouldn’t it? So yes if OS X works for ya then a mac is good, they have windows, just in case you really need it. Theres AirPort for macs, so routers aren’t even a real issue.
    Still though- I find Apples user experience is the best. And so have 200,000,000 other people. Use what you want.
    Also- no one attacks Alienware so no one has to “make up excuses” – which is a ludicrous statement “Excuses” – sure yeah, thats it.

  278. its hard to keep laptop a overclocked and cool.*

  279. Alienware is made for Gaming even there laptops are overclocked and its hard to keep a overclocked and cool.

    If you are gonna brush aside any argument that involves gaming just because you don’t play games allot then don’t bring Alienware up.

  280. “Yeah, Alienware is expensive but no one makes excuses for them like you do for Mac’s. If you want one, here; Alienware desktops look amazing, have state of the art setups, and most of their config’s have liquid cooling, and that is no where near cheap. Alienware is for the enthusiast”

  281. @Kokomo. I know a few mac users that have an old XP machine just to update their products.

  282. “if you can utilize OS X in a manner that you love, and helps you accomplish your TASK, better and quicker then a mac is a viable choice.”

    So you are saying that Mac’s are only good for very specific uses, and useless to anyone who wants to do more then enough. Noted.

  283. Rawr: Well Im sorry you have that problem, but its probably because theres less mac users so a higher percentage are like that. I fix my own problems, unless its hardware because theres an apple store 20min away from mi casa.

  284. Peripherals are harder to shop for, but generally its quality stuff. When I buy PC peripherals Im sometimes skeptical of the reliability and quality of it.

  285. Nope steve I didn’t miss your point. In fact I flat out said Macs aren’t a good value. Also look at the HP Envy line, Sony VAIOs, Dell XPS 15z and Alienware- those are better values than Macs yep, gotcha there, totally. But they aren’t the “screaming values ” that other PCs are. Now I don’t know why that is, I admit it. So why are VAIOs and Alienware laptops more expensive? I would guess, brand factors into it. So Im going to ask whats your opinion on those laptops? Like em? Hate em?

    Anyway- My point is, if you don’t need ballin hardware, if you don’t care whats a better value, if you can utilize OS X in a manner that you love, and helps you accomplish your TASK, better and quicker then a mac is a viable choice. Bootcamp well, its there for you. And as far as GPS’s go Garmin offers a whole suite thats mac compatible.

    Look- if you are making peripherals for a small market share then you have to make sure that your product stands out, because competition will be harder. When you have a small selection you’re obviously going to pick the best. From this Ive found that any GPS worth having, not trying to sound like a dick but, hey- Mac compatible GPS’s are almost always good GPS’s and vice versa.

    Now linksys firmware- you have a point as far as OS X goes, but Macs- I mean VMwarefusion does just fine. And why would I buy a PC JUST to update my router firmware? As for gaming adapters, I don’t game enough for that.

  286. I’m sure someone made this argument before. But, I find that PC user’s learn to fix there own problems.

    Most PC owners I service almost never come back to me with the same problem.

    Most Mac users I service return with the same problems. (Ex. Just today a costumer came to me for the 4th time asking me to repair the same problem he had the other times he visited.)

  287. Tell me how needing bootcamp, having software limitations and always having to double check compatibility is a good thing? Thats too much for me as a business owner. I want to know right away things are going to work. And they always do for me.

  288. Stop trying to talk from an objective standpoint, you obviously favor Mac.

    Defend Mac with facts or go away.

  289. I can’t remember the last time I bought a electronic and was bummed out I couldn’t update it or install it on my PC. My customers prove that its a headache to buy products for macs.

  290. “if you can use custom builds as a point then i can use refurbished as mine.”

    You are implying that there are no refurbished PC’s

  291. @Kokomo. You missed my point obviously. You can do so much more on a PC. And you don’t to deal with the hassle of hoping the product you buy is compatible.

  292. I am still looking for a reason why Apple would make you pay desktop price for the laptop hardware that’s in there iMac.

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  294. more useful is subjective homie. Practical- yeah for most people, Useful- ehhhhhhhhhhhhh not with ya.
    Apple has a cult hellz yeah. But lately Ive seen some hardcore Microsoft Fanbois popping up.
    Again- my point is- both are tools to use, capische? Ok, and you should use the tool, that works best for you got it? So if OS X is easier for you to use and get your shit done, and price is not in the equation, then use it. I got a refurbished mac, if you can use custom builds as a point then i can use refurbished as mine. No its not the same value, but the point IS you don’t have to pay full price for apples products.

  295. That’s what I had seen on public

  296. Plus also you do know that when people aren’t doing those things on there Mac they ended up been cool tumblr ling and Facebook . . Should make things easier to get a netbook

  297. We also do a lot of troubleshooting. We get a lot of mac users asking us to firmware update their products because macs can’t do it. The fact mac users even need bootcamp is a laugh. Get a PC and save your money.

  298. I do online retail. I have several software thats made for us specifically for Windows. I can’t even count how many returns we get from mac users saying the product they bought isn’t compatible with their computer. PC only? Computer games, GPSs, setting up gaming adapters, firmware updating a lot of Linksys equipment. I deal with it all. macs are a horrible investment.

  299. “Well if you’re a filming person or a music person well sure I would go for a Mac”

    Ever hear of Adobe?

  300. “None of this means that PCs are the jesus computer”

    You seem to be confused Its Apple that has the cult not PC or Microsoft.

    Personally, I think Mac’s do suck, and when compared to PC’s anyone can see that they are inferior.

    You are making no points at all. Most, if not all, of what you said is your opinion.

    I don’t want Mac user’s to switch to PC or go and say “you are right my Mac is a piece of crap”

    I just want them to admit that Windows is a more useful and practical OS.
    And I want them to acknowledge that they are being ripped off.

  301. Indeed, if you’re just web browsing, I don’t blame ya.

  302. Well if you’re a filming person or a music person well sure I would go for a Mac but I’m not either of those 2 so I has picked up a notebook cuz if you’re only browse the web well then get a netbook .

  303. BTW: when you say Mac you mean OS X right? Yes, bootcamp does exist, sure “why buy a mac if you’re just gonna use windows lolololol” Well sometimes the work environment doesn’t like apple, so I do my crap on OS X (because I can usually get it done faster on OS X) then I shoot it over to windows and convert it to windows format.

  304. “only if you’re surfing the web”- I beg your pardon, FCP>Sony Vegas Logic Pro & Audition> Reason or Cool Edit Pro
    thats personal preference and its not surfing the web.

    So whats your line of work Steve? Whats PC only?

  305. macs do sucks. Mainly because you do can anything a mac can do a PC. And you can’t do half the stuff PCs can do on a mac. Thats a fact. Like I said, if you want to spend $2,000 just to surf the web thats your problem. But macs do suck.

  306. Indeed, comparisons make illustrations which may or may not make a point. Hmmmmm, Im pretty sure I made a point though…. yeah, I did.

    Not a lot you can do with OS X. Besides gaming, and getting into the code, I can do quite a lot with OS X. And with the release of Steam for Mac, gaming will become much less of a fail on Macs. Any game worth playing will be cross platform given time (usually 6-8 months). I game some, but Im not a massive fan.

    As for “choice of CEO Manager” well it said employees who use Macs bring them to work anyway. So really its who wants to bring them.

    Again, as long as you can do what you want to do, as well as you can possibly do it. I say use what you will. None of this means that PCs are the jesus computer, or that Macs “suck” its what you want to buy.

  307. “Opinions ganna opinions based all personal preference”

    It’s personal preference only if you’re surfing the web. But if you’re doing half the shit I do PC is a necessity.

  308. Those are business workers so most often they chose Mac because there is not allot you can do it so they view it as easier.

    And that is the choice of the CEO/manager or whatever you want to call it, not necessarily the employees.

    “Ok, they are but Im saying they’re similar.”

    The thing about metaphors, is you can use it to compare anything to anything, you can compare cars to the human body and the same with computers.

  309. Exactly. My new plan of attack will be Mac VS. PC shouldn’t even be an issue.

  310. Opinions ganna opinions based all personal preference having an argument is just pointless Hopefully we don’t had the third guy coming besides redline and tucusam cuZ in the end no one can win having an argument will be pointless or it will be ended like a repeat cycle over and over again.

  311. cars are still cars and comps are still comps. Ok, they are but Im saying they’re similar. Thats fine if you don’t care what I say, its not an argument though.

  312. articles dot businessinsider dot com/2011-10-28/tech/30331882_1_mac-users-windows-pcs-forrester
    well take a gander at this. Yeah OS X and windows are subjective, but layout efficiency can be measured. Now this isn’t “rock solid stats” thats a given. But is this a coincidence? I can’t answer that for certain but, honestly its probably not. Are business execs idiots? As a whole, no. Are a few? OOOOOOOOh yeah. Even in the article it says something to the effect of “some of these points are subjective” but its worth a look.

  313. And? cars are still cars and comps are comps until I can drive my computer I don’t care what you say.

  314. Yeah, excuses wil always exist (I’m guilty and so are most people) because subjectivism exists. I don’t mind PC’s, they’re a much better value. I prefer Macs- and there are “subjective” points with OS X that are fairly indisputable.

  315. If you allow opinions into an argument, then the argument loses purpose.
    It ends up being two or more people voicing there opinions.
    The very phrase “best product” is subjective.

    I was arguing that Windows is a more useful and practical OS.
    It can do anything a Mac can do and more, if you don’t like how Windows does it then that’s your opinion and you have no argument.

  316. Besides guessing

  317. Both pc and macs ok I would give them that. But although what I hate is when people makingg up excuses they really should do some research

  318. Audi is owned by VW nice try. Yep, and a lot o business people use macs, I can name 5 off the top of my head- they aren’t famous but they run their business off mac servers.

  319. And again cool story bro

  320. &Sam- thanks, I try hard.
    &Rawr- ??? Um No, value will never be the only factor in making a consumer purchase.

  321. Cars and comp well ever heard of the company call Audi ? A lot o business people uses PC’s

  322. Cars& Comps
    Both are tools designed to accomplish tasks in your life
    Both have an CPU+GPU vs Engine and drivetrain, chassis etc.
    Both are designed to have certain styles
    Both have different feels to them
    Both are made by a select few manufacturers but are all constructed differently with respect to brand.
    Comps are made by a small group of manufacturers- Foxconn, Quanta, and a few others- Cars- Daimler, GM, VW Toyota, Honda, BMW and thats really it.- all brands fall under those select groups.
    Cars just like computers can be bought custom built or from manufacturers that build a car and thats the car you get- no upgrades etc. (ferrari comes to mind, or pagani)
    So its going to be an enduring metaphor.
    Now there are differences that you can’t compare between the two, but for the consumer its really strangely similar.

  323. Cool story bro

  324. That statement is subjective because you know the answer will be PC.

    But if that is how you feel then our argument ends here.

  325. Cars & comps are very similar I’ll explain in a few minutes.

    And if you don’t allow for subjectivism to occur in an argument about a consumer product then really you’d only wind up with the most cost effective tool and not the “best product”

  326. For all the things I said, I’m sure I only used a objective point of view.
    Most of the facts I provide (granted I don’t always provide proof, but we all have google.) are answered with conjecture.

  327. Why do all Mac user compare computers to cars?

    And yes what he was saying was subjective he was expressing his opinion.

    And I have been through all the faults of Apple with REDLINE and TUCANSAM, I am not going to have the same argument a 3rd time.

  328. More bad than good? Hardware overpricing seems to be the only real fault apple has. Other than that it’s opinion. And when you say “all of that is subjective” any consumer product is subjective to buy. Otherwise we would all be driving Toyota corollas and wearing plain clothes

  329. And although those are decent cards they are still making you pay desktop price for laptop hardware.

    OS and software aside, Apple as a company has to many faults.
    Our argument’s has shown that yes they have some good points, but they have more bad then good.

  330. “they’ll produce better products like movies later vs of they had a crapier card right now.”

    Yes, but hardware develops allot faster then software so when the software they are using is actually able to use the power of those cards there will be something way better available.

  331. “macs are a unified experience”

    True, but that unity forces you to commit to Apple.

    The rest was subjective, or I already covered it on older post.

    “That’s all there is too it. So this will probably be my last post.”

    So long.

  332. ^rawr the fact that its graphics are on a phone says enough. And my point with graphics investment is that that’s why those cards are on the iMacs because they’ll produce better products like movies later vs of they had a crapier card right now.

  333. “My point is, if you want products with better graphics in the future then you need better graphics now.”

    And? where did this come from, this was not the topic.

    “And infinity blade 2 is comparable to Console games.”
    I took a closer a closer look at infinity blade 2 and well as far as texture’s go ya they are comparable to some less graphically pleasing console games. But there are reasons why it is like this.

    1. Battle system: it is just really attack and dodging you cant freely control the character, this frees up allot of resources.
    2. Instancing: Instancing is like; there is a huge field but when u get into battle you go into a battle zone or mode which is a fraction of the field you where on, this stops all the rendering of distant objects.
    3. Clutter: Large objects tall grass and trees all block your view, minimizing rendering distance, freeing up allot of GPU power.
    4. 2D: Distant objects and foliage, are rendered in 2D.

    So because they gave up allot of other features for image quality. Yes, the textures alone are comparable to console games. But it falls short in all other aspects.

  334. Time nor expertise to build a hackintosh- they’re not all that stable yet*

  335. Shadow complex probably was a conflict of interests. They’d compete with each other whereas because iOS is a fertile platform it presented A smarter financial move. That’s what’d I’d guess. Anyway.
    Despite what was said and what wasn’t, yes I have a lot to learn as far as computers go; never said I didn’t. And if it weren’t for angry people like Steve id probably be more interested. I digress. So with all that’s said and done; why would I want a Mac? One reason user experience. You can say but pc can do this and pc can do that, the question is “how does it go about doing it?” macs are a unified experience (fact) which I like because you can go to the apple store and if you had any issue at all they know your software and hardware, they also have the parts to fix it.(all computers have problems I’ve had pcs too don’t forget that)
    And legally speaking because I have not the time nor the expertise I find OS X to be much more adroit at handling what I need to get done in a faaaaaaaaaaaaar more efficient manner.
    Price; apples Achilles heel: economics tells us that the less you produce of a unit the more each unit will cost. Apple has a low but growing market share so price should drop but macs always will cost more than similarly priced pcs. Does it make them a bad product? No it makes them a bad value for money. Look at spyker cars vs corvettes.

    Other features also make the experience better for me and a lot of others, like MagSafe and the glass trackpad etc.
    Price notwithstanding macs are a great product and I’m going to use them. That’s all there is too it. So this will probably be my last post. Rawr- I do appreciate your politeness and patience. Steve- you can rest easy now, I also advise getting your blood pressure checked as you’ve been pretty cranky even for dealing with me. Im still gonna use my Mac, oh I did check out the hp envy 14- better value but if both were free I’d still take the MacBook pro.

  336. Macbook Pro 15-inch: 2.2 GHz (12/1/2011 – store.apple.com)

    2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
    4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB GDDR5
    MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
    SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $1,799.00

    HP dv6tqe series (12/1/2011 – hp.com)

    2nd generation Intel Core i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz
    8GB DDR3 System Memory
    750GB 5400 rpm Hard Drive
    1GB Radeon(TM) HD 6770M GDDR5 Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
    15.6″ High Definition HP LED Brightview (1366×768)
    Blu-ray player & SuperMulti DVD burner
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $939.99

  337. Actually infinity blade was originally going to be made for kinect for the 360 but development was later shifted to the iOS. Reasons are unknown.

  338. My point is, if you want products with better graphics in the future then you need better graphics now. And infinity blade 2 is comparable to Console games. The fact that it’s made on a pc is interesting, I’m not trying to sound skeptical but could you send me a link?

  339. Unreal engine 3 was designed for DirectX 9/10/11, it was later ported so other platforms could use it.

  340. “Wait, unreal engine 3 is available for macs”

    Infinity Blade and Infinity Blade 2 where the first games on the OS X that used Unreal engine 3.

    And yes they did port it.

    All that about consoles is true, but what does that have to do with this?

    “And software isn’t always as powerful as hardware”

    that is true, in fact there is no game that can use the full power of most high-end graphic cards.

    I don’t care how good the iPhone’s graphics are, saying its comparable to a Console or PC is just… Well its just stupid.

  341. You’re right, but if you want better effects later then you have to invest in better graphics now. So how was infinity blade 2 made on a pc?

  342. You need way more CPU and RAM power to make games and movies then you do GPU power.

    You are overestimating how much GPU power is needed in development, especially for movies.

  343. Wait, unreal engine 3 is available for macs, and you have to have a Mac to develop for ios-fact- so how’d they do it on a pc? Port it?

  344. Cool, where’d you read that about infinity blade 2? And software isn’t always as powerful as hardware- my gaming friend told me this so it’s his info not mine but makes a whole lot of sense- he says that games Are designed usually with the console in mind: since the Xbox and ps3 haven’t had gpu bumps since debut(Xbox still uses ati) then the games won’t utilize all of the hardware unless they were designed for the computer environment first. And the iPhone has excellent graphics now with the 4s. I figure great graphics need a great graphics card to engineer- that’s my logic. And games that come out now take years to develop so of you want to see better graphics in the future then you need to invest in better graphics now.

  345. yep excuses ganna excuses. Complains gonna complain again like a repeat cycle gosh

  346. And there you going making assumptions again.

  347. If Infinity Blade 2 runs on a iphone what the hell makes you think you would need a powerful graphics card to make it?

    And I’ll have you know it was made on a PC using unreal engine 3.

  348. Yeah, I have skyrim for Xbox 360, and infinity blade 2 still has great graphics.. Macs are used for special effects so I would say some good graphics are needed, I don’t know the exact specifications when doing special effects and I’m sure none of you probably do either. Fact is you can’t do a movie like avatar or even super 8 without something good. Also the iPhone is still one of the largest if not the largest mobile gaming platforms and phone hardware is getting better constantly.

  349. besides infinity blade 2 have you seen skyrim?.

  350. @REDLINE. “I don’t design games, but I imagine they would” Please keep those type of posts to yourself. You already guess too much as it is and you’re always wrong. Stop. Please. Stop.

  351. So now that you say you don’t know As your post.

    You should really do some research .

  352. Have you seen infinity blade 2?

  353. @REDLINE

    If yow where a gamer you would know the HUGE difference between the 4000 series and the 6000 series.

    Saying iPhone game developers need a AMD Radeon HD 6000 series card is like saying you need a supercomputer to do basic math.

  354. Wouldn’t they need it o make iPhone games? I don’t design games, but I imagine they would. As for the fact that’s it’s a laptop card, I don’t know. It’s still a good card.

  355. @REDLINE
    I knew you where gonna say that.

    Yes, your right graphic designers and film editors would need a decent graphics card.
    But unless they are making games, which chances are they aren’t if they are using a Mac, a card along the lines of the AMD Radeon HD 4000 or 5000 series will be more then enough for them, and much more cost effective.

    As for making games, most, if not all, games are made on windows or other unix based OS’s. Not OS X.

    And that still doesn’t answer why they have a laptop graphics card on a desktop, and charging you the desktop price.

  356. Rawr: because I would say that graphic designers and film editors need them. Even if you don’t tax the card it’s still useful

  357. Why are there so many ignorant users

    People need an excuse because they already feel ridiculous spending twice as much for exactly the same hardware. I don’t blame them, if I made a idiotic terrible decision such as buying an overpriced mac then I’d comfort myself by doing the same thing.

  358. James: depends on what’s broken: I’ve had apple products repaired out of warranty do free.
    There are 4 apple repair places in my area each being less than 15 min. away

  359. @redline you havent even answer my 2 questions. yet

    How much does it cost to repair a PC versus Mac?

    How many PC versus Mac repairers are in your local area?

  360. Oh I was just saying the nvidia cards can also be overclocked. yes macs aren’t made for overclocking. Steve- option click is enabled by default. “option click” beIng apples term for right click.

  361. iMac

    21.5-inch: 2.5GHz
    2.5GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
    1920 x 1080 resolution
    4GB (two 2GB) memory
    500GB hard drive1
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB

    I would like to know why a computer, that has very little graphically taxing games needs a card from AMD’s 6000 series (there best gaming graphics line).
    Also note that the iMac is a desktop, the AMD Radeon HD 6750M is a laptop graphics card.

    Also note that the AMD Radeon HD 6700 series cards start at $100, and the iMac goes up to the 6900 series and those can be from $500-$700.

    But Apple makes you pay more then the cards are worth and gives you the laptop versions of the cards.

    AMD Radeon HD 6970M (iMac’s card)
    Core Speed * 680 MHz
    Memory Speed * 900 MHz

    AMD Radeon HD 6970 (Desktop version [PC’s only])
    Core Clock: 980 MHz
    Memory Clock: 5500 MHz

  362. “heating is an issue usually found in any laptop with a metal enclosure so thats not just apple there”

    True, but there are laptops (no Mac laptops) that are built for overclocking, like Alienware laptops, yes they are pricey, but that is just a example.

    “Also the Nvidia cards can be overclocked”

    I Never said or implied they couldn’t, I was just using AMD/ATI because (other then Intel) that is the only GPU Mac’s have.

  363. RAWR wrote: “just because it is disabled by default means nothing, you can still do it.”

    Exactly! I guess mac doesn’t have right-click because its not turned on by default. REDLINE … you’re trying way too hard.

  364. Yes, hence unadvisable. You can do it but it would be stupid. Also the Nvidia cards can be overclocked and really stably too if you have a laptop cooler. (heating is an issue usually found in any laptop with a metal enclosure so thats not just apple there) .

  365. “I said the apps/programs can’t be launched straight from the taskbar”

    They can the quick launch bar is a part of the task bar. just because it is disabled by default means nothing, you can still do it.

    “I never said it couldn’t quick launch”

    You never said it, but you implied it.

    ” Again 3rd party software still counts”

    Doesn’t matter, 3rd party software just forces your computer to shoot more electricity, through your CPU. (not exactly how it works but I don’t wanna go into that) anyone can force there hardware to overclock, my point is that Mac’s laptops hardware isn’t built for overclocking, even force overclocking only 100Mhz could kill your CPU and anything less then that will make no noticeable difference.

  366. I never said it couldn’t quick launch, misquote as usual Steve. I said the apps/programs can’t be launched straight from the taskbar and they can’t, you have to use the quicklaunch bar. Again 3rd party software still counts- I CAN overclock my mbp. I also said its not advisable, so I’m not wrong. Again.

  367. @RAWR. Don’t forgot that REDLINE does no research. Even when he tries to do research he doesn’t get it right. “Windows 95 can’t quicklaunch.”

  368. “I can overclock the processor, not advisable on the laptops but you can do it.”

    Wrong, I looked at apples laptops and they cant be overclocked.

    Only a unlocked CPU’s can be overclocked, and none of Apples laptops have a unlocked CPU. Sure there may be 3rd party software that lets you do this, but that will just burn out your CPU.

    It is impossible to overclock ram on a laptop, and it has to be built for overclocking for desktops.

    The new Mac’s use AMD/ATI GPU’s, and you can overclock even some of there low-end GPU’s so that’s a given.

  369. The point is after everything RAWR and I said why would anyone want a mac? Why would I put myself in a situation where something isn’t compatible, unable to firmware update electronics, or needing bootcamp. What exactly is the point of owning a mac? If you own a mac you also need to own a PC. What a waste. You can do without the mac, but you can’t do without PC.

  370. I know a lot of Garmin GPS’s can’t even be updated on a mac. I can’t say every model, but the fact that there are models you can’t update is sad. My friend has a Garmin and he had to use my PC to update it.

  371. @REDLINE. Anything you can do I can do better. Fact.

  372. I can overclock the processor, not advisable on the laptops but you can do it.

  373. “I can over clock my mac”

    What parts can you overclock?

  374. “Quality also matters you didn’t factor that in.”

    That is subjective. But if you mean the capability’s then yes some freeware is just as capable as the paid ones. But it’s freeware you can only go so far when making a program for free.

    “usability is subjective but OS X is generally agreed as easier to use.”

    That is true. I’m not entirely sure how to say this so I’ll give a example of what I’m trying to say.

    Mac = Normal MP3 player, easy to use because there is not allot you can do with it.
    PC = Zune/ipod/mp4 player hard to use because all of the features.

    I find that people see windows as hard to use because they are overwhelmed by what they can do.

    OS-X cant do as much as windows so it is seen as easier to use because there are not as many distracting features.

  375. and the cost?.

  376. If the mac breaks how long does it took for it to repair?.

  377. Well then since you ask about these questions redline looks like you havent even answered this.

    How much does it cost to repair a PC versus Mac?

    How many PC versus Mac repairers are in your local area?

  378. “Sure Apple came out with the first computer”

    Apple came out with the first computer to be soled to consumers, but it was nowhere near the first made.

    If you want to get technical the first computer, the Z1 was made in 1936.

  379. RAWR: I don’t know about the coding so I can’t speak to that. OS X has tons of tutorials when you boot up, usability is subjective but OS X is generally agreed as easier to use. But use what you will. Gaming- yeah PC has that covered but I don’t play games on my computers so its no big deal for me.
    James OS X is easier IMO
    My macs have been repaired for free out of warranty so you have that.
    quite a few Apple stores are in my area
    Software for macs can only be legally made for Macs. Theres a ton of freeware available if you know where to look, but that applies to windows as well. Quality also matters you didn’t factor that in.

    Sam- Suuuuuuuuuure. 1st. I can over clock my mac;2. Battlefield 3- don’t care. 3. Mac fanboys are dicks? Really? You’re the one insulting Mac fanboys, and I have yet to see one insult windows here. THough I could be wrong, there has been disparity in that area though.

    Ton: Who said Apple made the first of any of those? As far as function yes, Apple copied them straight up, totally. As far as form factor. other companies have been copying Apple straight up. But Im glad for that because basic economics tells us in a free market competition makes the best products.
    AARON: Third party notification bars have been available since the 3GS came out, yes you have to jailbreak the phone. Im fine with that though.

  380. i got sad when i got this reply.. mainly because apple fan boys do not know what the hell is going on in the world. You do realize Steve jobs did NOT make the very first touch screen tablet OR mp3 player. Microsoft came out with the tablet pc (touch screen) in 2001. You were oblivious to it for all this time… and apple is the one that steals ideas. Hmm the last time i checked the notification bars on android phones were no where to be found on the iphone.. until now..

  381. Sure Apple came out with the first computer, that does not mean other companies cannot make similar products. Apple did not come out with the first mp3 player. Apple did not come out with the first tablet. Apple did not come out with the first phone, Apple did not come out with the first cloud network. So do not go around claiming other companies copy apple, because apple is just as guilty in that situation.

  382. These douchebaggy commercials are part of the reason why I hate Apple.

    These commercials are so insulting to people.

  383. I see another Apple fanboy. Don’t act like a dick because you threw $1400 on a laptop just because it had a logo on it

    Now play Battlefield 3 on a macbook.

  384. Mac > Comfort, reliability, easy to use computer for retarded people that doesen’t know what RAM is.

    PC > Speed, power, strenght, overclocking, for advanced users.

  385. Who has the greatest market share?
    Microsoft has about 80% of the market when I last looked.

    Which OS is easier to use and learn?
    Windows has a tutorial on the first few launches.
    OS X has no tutorial

    How much does it cost to repair a PC versus Mac?
    PC’s can be repaired at almost any electronics store for a modest fee, or you can call a company (Ex. Geek Squad) come to your house.
    Mac repairs can most of the time only be done online or only at a Apple store and is more expensive.

    How many PC versus Mac repairers are in your local area?
    Read above.

    What 3rd party software is available for each platform?
    Anyone can make software for windows.
    Software made for Mac’s can only be used if endorsed or approved by Apple.

  386. Another example how Apple is over priced.

    iPod shuffle
    2gb
    buttons and built-in clip
    voice over
    rechargeable

    $49.00

    My generic MP3 player that I got at Walmart.
    5gb
    buttons and built-in clip
    shuffle and repeat settings
    can be used as a flash drive
    rechargeable

    $15.00

    I got this nearly 4 years ago. so the life time of the product cant be called into question.

    $35 isn’t worth it for voice over.

  387. . I would ask these questions:

    Who has the greatest market share?
    Which OS is easier to use and learn?
    How much does it cost to repair a PC versus Mac?
    How many PC versus Mac repairers are in your local area?
    What 3rd party software is available for each platform?

    When you answer these questions, you will know why the PC will always be the majority and not the minority.

  388. “OK you can enlarge text, I said swipe between desktops and use inertial scrolling, again, what are you on about?”

    My sister was reading some of these post, and your comment about multituch caught her eye. She says her Asus eee PC (its a netbook [a netbook is a like a really small laptop]) can do the same things. I even installed software that allows her to run multiple desktops when she told me this, and yes. She can swipe between desktops too.

  389. I find Apples logo interesting.

    Most often a apple signifies knowledge, Apples logo has a piece missing from the side of the apple, well if a apple means knowledge then this must mean incomplete knowledge, the apple is white, as is most of Apples products, white means pure or empty.

    The only word that comes to mind when you say incomplete knowledge and pure, is ignorance.

  390. I would ask these questions:

    Who has the greatest market share?
    Which OS is easier to use and learn?
    How much does it cost to repair a PC versus Mac?
    How many PC versus Mac repairers are in your local area?
    What 3rd party software is available for each platform?

    When you answer these questions, you will know why the PC will always be the majority and not the minority.

  391. If the Cell CPU is so great why did Apple go to Intel?

  392. Macbook Pro 15-inch: 2.2 GHz (12/1/2011 – store.apple.com)

    2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
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    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
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  393. What limitations? I’m not sure where to start.
    But the main problem I have, is when repairing or doing maintenance OS X, I cant get into source files, most of the time they are hidden or locked up so I cant even get into them.
    And they even blocked the main folders from antivirus scans.
    So when repairing Mac’s I use a usb bootable version of windows to do what I need to do on Mac’s.

    Yes, I have it in vista mode, so the windows don’t pile up as icons, and I can see all my windows, and switch through them easily, with no key combination, or mouse gesture.

    Honestly nothing will pull me to Mac, it has to many limitations, I’m not a fan of the UI, not to mention I’m a avid gamer.

    And I have a sort of policy, that if cant build it or customize it to my liking, I don’t want it.

    Growing up using Mac’s most of my life I honestly loved them and enjoyed them, but that was only because it was all I knew. Once I got my hands on Windows 98, I grew to love windows more, and that soon gave birth to my love for computers, and technology in general.

    So personally windows had a big impact on my life.

    But I’m not such a emotional person, the main reason why I use windows is because its the most practical OS out there, does what ever you need it to do, works with almost any software, and works with all hardware.

    Objectively speaking, Windows is the most useful and cost effective OS out there.

    But saying that brings us back to the beginning of our argument.

    Also I think this may be my longest post yet.

  394. To what limitations are you referring?
    If you want to see how many windows your running and the name of each window just mouse over the window of your application/program and swipe down with 4 fingers.
    The Dock is very very similar to the Windows 7 super bar, unless you change it back to vista-style. Which Im guessing is what you did. I love it personally (the dock)
    Command Q exits out and quits the app/program which is what I use. OS X has a crapton of keyboard shortcuts (windows does too yes) so theres no shortcomings there.
    And what things would you want to see added into OS X, i can only think of a few niggles.

  395. OS X feels stiff to me and is hard for advance user’s to use, because of the limitations it has.
    And the Dock is just annoying in my opinion, you cant see the name of the window you have running, you cant see how many windows of that program you are running, and the only way to tell if a program is still running, after you minimized it, is a small light under the icon. Again it’s fancy but not entirely useful.

    It seems Apple is too focused on the look of things rather then how they perform.

    I think its exactly because they have a small development team that they overlook allot of things.

  396. What are you talking about RAWR shows you up? I wasn’t wrong.
    OK you can enlarge text, I said swipe between desktops and use inertial scrolling, again, what are you on about?

  397. Also, I can use the multi-touch pad to enlarge the text in IE. Again, whats the problem?

  398. And REDLINE… you can’t even research correctly. You give out these links and RAWR shows you up. You seem like you’re looking for things to argue about. Just stop.

  399. Who ever said there was no multi-touch with Windows 7 anyways? I’m on my wifes HP laptop and I can use 2 fingers to enlarge photos. What’s the problem?

  400. I apologize to steve my bad.
    RAWR: well so long as you’ve experienced it, thats your opinion which you’re free to have. I can’t imagine how its not useful, personally I love swiping between desktops and using inertial scrolling.
    As for OS X- come on! You don’t think it has more thought-out details? Sure its subjective, but its one of those generally agreed upon things. With OS X being designed by a small team and windows up in Redmond being designed by a huge team, you’re typically going to find that OS X is more consistent in form factor. *typically

  401. I never implied you hated PC’s or Windows, or said it.

    I am the one who said Windows doesn’t need Multituch, because honestly it only seems useful for pictures.

    I use new Mac’s frequently I tried out multituch its nice and fancy, but not entirely useful,(like most of apple products) when ever I’m on a Mac I never find myself using miltituch, in any practical way.

    As for vista, yes it had a terrible start, but its not so bad now.

    “its obvious more care was put into OS X”

    That is subjective.

  402. Oh my mom has an HP and its nice. I don’t hate on PCs never did. Steve and Rawr seem to think Im some kind of PC hating fanboy. I really don’t care what anyone uses or thinks about OS’s. I think W7 is good, I like the UI of OS X a lot more, its obvious more care was put into OS X but 7 is a nice little operating system. Its miles ahead of Vista. But I think multitouch should be put in. Don’t hate on it until you try it, saying W7 doesn’t need multitouch (Steve) is like saying “no I don’t want any new features”. No but seriously Windows 7 is good, I like OS X more though.

  403. nothing will change

  404. and again who cares again is just personal preference.

  405. no really have to bash things up just use what you had with your laptops.

    ANd use what you feel comfortable with. Besides having an argument that will never win.

  406. maybe redline you should give windows 7 a try. ;) i use a pc and a mac. but

    both system is ok . they both had both advantages and disadvantages but really

    give windows 7 pc a go .

  407. I realize I didn’t clarify. The quick launch bar is a toolbar that is NOT the task bar, in that respect it IS separate.

  408. That is true for Vista and older but not for Windows 7.

  409. that you enable

  410. My bad, no I didn’t mean install. I meant its a separate feature.

  411. It IS NOT SEPARATE on older OS’s, yes you do have to enable it but you do not have to install anything or run anything and once it is enabled you never have to mess with those options again.

    But that is no longer the case with Windows 7.

    When you say “separate” you are implying that it is an extra feature that you have to install first in order to use it.

  412. Didn’t say it was third party, I said it was a separate application. So why did they say “..Windows task bar work like XP or vista, but we left ONE THING OUT: The Quick Launch bar.” Yes I give it to you, its enabled in XP and Vista, you have to enable it in older OS’s, but it IS separate. Which was my point from the beginning. You can’t launch applications STRAIGHT UP from the task bar.

  413. If you actually read what was on the site, you would of noticed this:

    “In yesterday’s article we showed you how to make the Windows 7 taskbar work more like XP or Vista, but we left one thing out: the Quick Launch bar.”

  414. @REDLINE
    That is for windows 7 ONLY. It is for people who want Windows 7 to look and run more like XP, you don’t need 3rd party software for XP or older, for quick launch bar.

    So yes for Windows 7 it is separate. But you can drag and drop icons to the task bar on windows 7 without having to do anything, other then the action of dragging and dropping. But if you want the XP quick launch bar on Windows 7, you need 3rd party software.

    Again Quick launch bar is built into XP it is not a 3rd party program.

  415. No RAWR! you can add it to Windows 7, so it IS separate. howtogeek dot com/howto/windows-7/add-the-quick-launch-bar-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-7/

  416. No RAWR! you can add it to Windows 7, so it IS separate. http://www dot howtogeek dot com/howto/windows-7/add-the-quick-launch-bar-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-7/

  417. I would say thats a good estimate, logically you can conclude that the majority of people wouldn’t want to take the time to build their own computer. As for me, well I like the price and specs of me dell, but I prefer to use my MacBook Pro. Its just fun to use. Like a good sports car.

  418. There is really no way to prove ether of you right, so that argument will go no ware.

    But if I must take a guess (based on personal experience and my costumers) I would say maybe 10% of the PC population makes there computers. But like I said no real way to prove this.

  419. “the quick launch toolbar is a separate application”

    That is not true, the icon is on your task bar, you click it and your done, prog launched.

    Only Difference from the Windows 7 version and older is;
    7:enabled by default.
    XP and older: deactivated by default.
    7: Borderless.
    XP and older: Had a border and a popup list for those icons that didn’t fit within the border.

  420. Steve told me that tons of PC people build their own computers. He’s wrong, thats my point.

  421. OK steve: the quick launch toolbar is a separate application that launches programs but you have to click on it first. It is in the task bar though. So its more of a two step process. Thats fine and all, Windows 7 and OS X application launching is different though. The icon is straight onto the bar.

  422. @MAGICAL
    Whats your point?

  423. Fine. If you work in computers and you have computer loving friends then using them as a statistic is a biased (or skewed) sample. Basic stats, my .02% was what we call a hyperbole- i realize it strays from factual information- but it illustrates that only a small percentage of the PC market build their own computers. Go to a RANDOM house, school, office whatever have you. And ask who built their own PC. Do it.

  424. ^That was directed at the bill gates comment.

  425. @MAGICAL

    Me and STEVE already covered all of that, in out argument with REDLINE.

    So this is all I will say to your comment.

  426. Do you work in computers Steve? Do your friend work in computers?

  427. Steve: HAHA, no.

  428. Valid points all: Good for you Steve, I wasn’t trying to impress you just saying. What kind of car? (I’m wondering don’t take this as a “oh he’s a smartass thing” cars are my passion, computers are more of a loose hobby. Stay healthy its good for you.
    RAWR: I realize my sentence structure was conflicting- when i first used 95 i was in fact 6, we do have Computers at my college running 95 I use them, not frequently though- which is why Im not intimate with every detail of 95. And yes, you’re right I lost the Windows History argument. Absolutely. Admittedly though we did stray far off topic. mainly my fault.

  429. @MAGICAL. So you’re saling .02% of people who build PCs are on this board right now? Where do you get these numbers from? Don’t post percentages if you don’t have facts to back them up. I know at least 5 people off the top of my head that build their own computers.

  430. @RAWR. Exactly. But he’ll disregard everything we said and be back with another argument. What’s next? Microsoft stole their name from apple. Apparently apple was originally going to be named Microsoft, but Bill Gates swooped in and took it. Am I right?

  431. OK
    Heres the facts
    OS X= Better at multitasking (mission control, expose, though Aero peek is awesome)
    Windows= Better at gaming, more prog’s available, available on any hardware
    OS X= better at multimedia, graphic design- regardless of what PC zealots say, sony vegas is NOT as good as FCP period. I have a friend who works at a design studio, she has Big’ol hp desktops, and iMacs- she’s told me that for her work Photoshop, Adobe CS5 are much better on OS X (Mac) than Windows, and she’s not alone.I don’t do graphic design but ill take their word for it. I edit film and I like macs, thats my 2 cents.
    Macs- more expensive for what you get. But you DO know what you’re getting. Unless you build your own PC- which probably .02% of the PC world will do then you will have inconsistencies. Macs are all built with the OS and features together.
    PC- more versatile in form and choice, cheaper, more accessories available, you can choose to get it without the OS or with Linux.
    Macs- If you go the apple route, which almost all mac users do then iPhone, iPod, iPad integration is seamless. And you don’t need to buy from iTunes to have your DJ stuff or tunes etc. – Thats something my friend (avid zune user) always claims “you have to buy from iTunes” me- “no you don’t cameron shut up!”
    PC- well Zune and Xbox obviously are a great pairing.
    Mac- subjectively better looking, objectively the aluminum unibody is an amazing engineering feat and provides a sturdier structure. But it still costs A LOT
    PC- you can buy them in any material you want pretty much, although build quality is subject to the vendor, and is close but IMO unmatched unless you buy a military grade toughbook- which there is that option for, but honestly who’s going to fork over that kind of cash for a work laptop? And those suckers are thick.
    Mac- The software OS X comes with is fantastic, you can’t deny this, and iWork is cheaper than office and is also compatible. Yes I get the “what if I don’t want the software” well theres always MS exchange hahaha- which is just as capable but isn’t as good to use. And if you really don’t want the software price is almost always the issue here, but again it doesn’t mean its bad, just expensive, you don’t have to buy the laptop.
    PC- lots of freeware that will do your work. UI is subjective, and the adage is you get what you pay for. So if you don’t mind bare balls freeware then PC is your guy
    Mac- thoughtful details, I have a Macbook Pro and Dell XPS-15z, and I must say that MagSafe is a fantastic design, saved my computer three times already. The battery indicator and backlit keyboard are also nice little features.
    PC- More hardware options and customizability- this is where the argument gets heated- if you don’t mind Apples hardware and price, then you can stop right now. IF you DO mind well, sucks for you. PC has Apple beat in terms of hardware. This is because of Windows and Linux being free licensed. Thats all there is too it. It created a market for the hardware. PC wins in market share.

  432. “but this is a free board and I feel like voicing my opinion on my computer.”

    This is why you no longer have a argument.
    This is also what most people say when they lost a argument.

  433. Basically you’re saying you’re an idiot when it comes to computers and are using “having a life” as an excuse.

  434. Oh and I play hockey frequently, I fixed our car from the ground up, and I have a wife. Whats your point, kid? I put everything from a entirely new exhaust to tearing apart my engine and putting new head gaskets in. You’re not impressing anyone.

  435. So you no longer have a argument. Noted.

    And it seems you are close minded, just because someone isint interacting with a person face to face or you aren’t, actually going out side, means you have no life?

    Where was the pamphlet that says “This is how you live your life”? I didn’t seem to get one when I was born.

    And I’ll try this ONE more time.

    STEVE: “You could launch “programs” not “apps” as you would say on the taskbar since Windows 95”

    REDLINE: “Ok, I was 6 when using 95 how would I have known that?”

    REDLINE later said: “We do have computers at my college with 95 and I do use them”

    Do you not see the conflicting information here?

    So if that is all true then you are 6 years old and in collage.

  436. Anonymous is me by the way. My name got erased.

  437. @REDLINE. I can try all you want, but the rest of the board and I don’t make shit up like you do. You can launch programs through the task bar with 95 and up. Go to: youtube dot com/watch?v=uzwI9Xso-Ag

    “Because from what Im reading you’re skewing something”

    You’re just a uneducated kid. Do research.

  438. No I wouldn’t know about Rainbow Six Raven Shield because outside of using my computer for work I do things like play sports, work on my cars, and generally have a life. I still don’t see any indication that I “made stuff up” yes I have some gaps in comp. knowledge but this is a free board and I feel like voicing my opinion on my computer. Regardless of what basement hermits may think.

  439. Steve: The default settings for the taskbar in Microsoft Windows place it at the bottom of the screen and includes from left to right the Start menu button, Quick Launch bar, taskbar buttons, and notification area. The Quick Launch toolbar was added with the Internet Explorer 4 shell update, and is not enabled by default in Windows XP. Windows 7 removed the Quick Launch feature in favor of pinning applications to the taskbar itself.- So you couldn’t launch them from the task bar itself as I understand. Elaborate for me if you will. Because from what Im reading you’re skewing something, it says here that the task bar is different from the quick launch bar.

  440. Yes we have computers currently in my college using 95 no i didn’t make it up. WTF? Its a state funded school.

  441. I’ve been using Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, XP, Vista and now 7. Never used Millennium and only used 2000 for Rainbow Six Raven Shield server I built. REDLINE would know nothing about that.

  442. I too started. windows XP, Vista now 7.

    Use what you like and what works for you, all of these fan boy P–sing contests just distract from enjoyable, enlightening dialog.

    Happy computing to all

  443. @REDLINE
    And how do you know about a post that STEVE made on page 13 when you didn’t get here till page 16?

    And why are you bringing that up now?

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    2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
    4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB GDDR5
    MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
    SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
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    8GB DDR3 System Memory
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    Blu-ray player & SuperMulti DVD burner
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $939.99

  445. He is. I saw inconsistencies like that through the whole time hes been here.

  446. Apple Fanboy: “M$ is teh sux0r! Apple pwns!”

    Windows User: “Windows has a wide selection of software and games, and a huge developer community.”

    Apple Fanboy: “BUT IT CRASHES AND HAS VIRUSES LOL”

    Windows User: “My OS hasn’t crashed since I had Windows ME. And AVG is a free program that keeps my computer secure.”

    Apple Fanboy: “BUT WINDOZE SUXX!”

    Windows User: “Would you care to tell me about your Mac? I hear it doesn’t have many tools for software developers, which are important for my work.”

    Apple Fanboy: “lolololol but windows sucks!!!11”

    Windows User: “Did you know that a great amout of Apple software is made with Microsoft Visual C++?”

    Apple Fanboy: “omg wtf is C++?”

  447. @REDLINE

    Let me try this again first you say you only used 95 when you where 6

    “Ok, I was 6 when using 95 how would I have known that?”

    Then you say you used them in collage.

    “We do have computers at my college with 95 and I do use them”

    So you are just making shit up.

  448. @RAWR. you forgot the part where he calls me a troll for proving him wrong.

  449. ” I would hardly call 95 to 7 a “few ui changes””

    Yes you are right from 95 to 7 is much more then a few UI changes (unlike Mac OS X 1-7) But you are saying that Windows copied Apple but all your claims are only apparent in Vista and 7.

  450. I like to make sure with RAM ONLY! There are so many factors in RAM I like to make sure. I always go to crucial for RAM. Best Buy was also an example, because no offense to RAWR they’re overpriced.

  451. RAWR: Nope, thats RIGHT NOW.
    Steve: you just said you like to make sure. Also, how was I supposed to know that your board has “all the newest ports”

  452. Ok you are done.

    “Ok, I was 6 when using 95 how would I have known that?”

    “We do have computers at my college with 95”

    So you where 6 in collage?

  453. You wouldnt know what a motherboard even looks like. You own a mac.

  454. @REDLINE. No, I really don’t. This is coming from the guy who doesn’t know that 95 had quicklaunch on the taskbar? Who do you think you are? You have no say in anything anymore. Best Buy only sells hard drives with SATA now. So they would all work with my computer. My motherboard has all ports for the newest video cards. You have no idea what you’re talking about again.

  455. Here we go again. I don’t have time for you today. RAWR will have to take over.

  456. The point is you DO have to make sure, even if there is a small margin for error though. Yes PC’s have a larger plethora of hardware upgrades, I never said they didn’t. But you DO have to make sure.

  457. 1. How is Apple OS “no where near” original? Yes the Xerox Parc gui but i would hardly call that what OS X is based entirely off of. OS X was based off of Xerox’s concept of a bit map and pointing device.
    2. We do have computers at my college with 95 and I do use them so I would hardly call 95 to 7 a “few ui changes”
    3.Windows had great market share but that doesn’t necessitate a good product. Tell me how is 7 over XP?

  458. @REDLINE.

    If I were to go to Best Buy right now blindfolded I could buy a hard drive, keyboard, mouse, video card, sound card, access point, router, gaming adapter and yes they would be compatible with my computer. The RAM probably would be too, but I always like to check first. Thats about it. I just put a new computer together less than 2 months ago.

    The reason I said router and access points is because a lot of them can’t even be configured or firmware updated on a mac. And yes, I know because I sell them.

  459. @REDLINE

    Once enabling the “quick bar” you can drag and drop programs to it as you please, this is was on XP it was only in Windows 7 that they enabled the Quick bar by default.

  460. “Windows without Apple wouldn’t exist as you know it.”

    Like a said before Apple’s OS isn’t anywhere near original.

    You are claiming Windows is only what it is today because of a few UI features that was only implemented in vista and 7. So anything before Vista never happened, because you don’t know about it?

    Windows was doing just fine before Vista and 7. Personally the only reason I upgraded from XP was because DriectX 11.

  461. oh, and no steve i didn’t say “its the first time windows could launch programs” you couldn’t drag a program shortcut onto your dock/taskbar until 7 at least not easily. How you twist my words every time.

  462. Steve: “I like the fact that I can go to a computer store blindfolded and buy hardware that’s compatible with a PC. apple users have to look at the box and find that one line that says mac compatible.”
    So you’re saying you don’t need to check if your PC hardware is compatible>.>

  463. I just checked apple’s website and a Mac Pro Quad Core Starting @ $2,499.00???
    3GB Of RAM?!
    1TB HDD?
    ATI Radeon 5770?

    Thats ridiculously absurd!!!

    I have a hexacore, 8GB of high performance RAM, nVidia 550Ti, 120GB SSD, 1.5TB Hard drive… Blazing fast compared to this and didn’t even cost me $1,000.00 oh and nicer case too :D

  464. @RAWR. Look how he said Windows 95 didnt have the capability. Hes so young he had no idea and hes trying to debate with us. He only knows Vista and 7 and hes saying it just started lauching programs. That blows my mind. And I’m a troll because I proved him wrong.

  465. You’re a troll because you intentionally ignore any sort of quality point I make. And Im expecting a flaming response to this, so go for it. |Im just saying, Windows without Apple wouldn’t exist as you know it.

  466. If I had more time I’d write an entire list of shit you made up that RAWR and I called you out on. Just shut the fuck up and look up your debate before you post it. Save me and everyone else the trouble in having to prove you wrong.

  467. Saying windows took the idea for windows phone, and Zune is implying Apple invented mp3 players and cellphones.

    Areo peek is done better in my opinion because it is easier to see each window, with exposè its hard to tell what window is what at that size.
    But honestly that is just a fancy feature, not really that useful or productive.

    Dashboard was on windows first with the use of a 3rd party program.

    RSS feeds, was made by neither Apple or Microsoft, it is a feature pertaining to websites.

    Smart Folders, Windows XP had this before Apple implemented it in 2006.
    All tho apples BeOS team started developing it in 1995 they later dropped the project, they picked it up again after they saw how well it did on windows.

    Jump lists/Dock menus, not something I personally find useful. But your right apple got that one first.

    File Previews, First seen in some freeware on windows.

  468. I’m nice to people when its a clean debate. But you’re just a retard. I will not be nice to you anymore.

  469. You’re the perfect example of a troll. Stating things you have no idea what you’re talking about. We school you on everything you say and somehow you keep coming back with more shit. Go back to your mommy and leave us alone.

  470. We will call you out on every lie you throw at us. Either you’re lying or just a dumb ass. Do research before you type. How am I the troll when you’re saying shit you don;t know? Go fuck a tree.

  471. Ok, I was 6 when using 95 how would I have known that? Troll,

  472. Schooled.

  473. nos dot org/htm/w951.gif

    Windows 95 Taskbar with programs on it for launching. My god you’re a dumb ass.

  474. I’ll find it. So clarify “makes no sense” what points make no sense? Also, how did you launch programs straight from the taskbar on 95?

  475. If you bought a computer within the last 3-5 years and you go to Best Buy you won’t have a hard time finding things for your PC. I was simply stating to RAWR that not all RAM works with every motherboard. Make sense you tool?

  476. You are a dumb ass. Nothing else about it. We’ve all been giving you facts and you pull shit out of your ass that makes no sense. I never once said all PC upgrades will work with all PCs. Stop making shit up.

  477. Wow, and pray tell how did you do that? As I’ve been using windows since 95. Also, don’t ever call me a fanboy you windows troll. Apps is short for application which is synonymous to program. Thirdly you take one point I make an then say I’m a dumbass… Classy. Thirdly you previously stated all pc upgrades work with all pcs and then later stated you have to make sure your board is compatible. Alright.

  478. “Also now that windows all of a sudden adds app launching.capabilities on the taskbar?”

    You truly are a dumb ass. We’ve given you straight facts and you’re giving us shit. It’s no longer a debate. You’re a complete moron. You could launch “programs” not “apps” as you would say on the taskbar since Windows 95. I’ve been using Windows since Winbdows 3.1. Seriously go run in traffic you douche bag.

  479. Windows phone 7, Zune, Aero peek=exposè, jump lists=dock menus, file previews, dashboard, rss feeds, smart folders, etc. like I said it goes both ways. Again if you want windows to get better you want apple to stick around. Also I want an integrated computer experience I don’t care if ms fanbois don’t like it.

  480. No, I want Apple to shape up, or go down.
    Apple is based off of Unix, and other Unix like OS’s. Most of Apples “originality” came from open source software.

    And I don’t know what you keep claiming Microsoft took from Apple, please clarify.

  481. Yeah, apple and Microsoft copy from each other- this argument matters because like apple or not; you want them to exist because of competition. It drives both to be better. Admit it, without apple windows probably wouldnt exist in its current form.

  482. “Also now that windows all of a sudden adds app launching.capabilities on the taskbar?”

    You can do that on XP too I don’t know about earlier versions of windows I never tried it.

    And I’ve played the copied game before with WoW fanboys when testing SWTOR and LOTRO. WoW fan boys said both games copied WoW but WoW copied EQ and Ruinscape, and I’m sure those two games aren’t original ether.

    Just like Windows and Mac’s look isn’t original, does this argument really matter? No, the style of the OS doesn’t equal its performance, the look of OS X and Windows can be changed, with the help of 3rd party software you can make windows look like OS X, you even have the doc and it functions the same way.

  483. Tim, calling me an ignorant fanboy and then giving no evidence to support your claim leads me to believe you’re a ms fanboy, windows 7 looks just like tiger you can dispute that, just LOOK at the two. Also now that windows all of a sudden adds app launching.capabilities on the taskbar? Os x has had that fOr years.
    Stevetoo- that’s why Mac prices decrease every year.
    Aaron- I use windows on my moms comp Pretty often. What’s your point? 7 still looks like tiger.

  484. If windows os copy a mac os. [ignorant fanboy post that i has seen]

    Windows doesnt resemble at all compare to the mac.

    Windows didn copied mac but.

    Why does a mac need a bootcamp to put windows in it?. There has to be a reason.

  485. Personally, I think things like ipads or tablets are pointless if you have a real computer, ipad is like a big iphone/ipod and, a tablet is like a retarded laptop.

    As for E-readers, save the money and go to the library or a book store.
    Don’t let those trees go to waste.

  486. isheep and ifags

  487. The fact people try and use the ipad as a book reader is hilarious. Ever use one in the sun? It’s impossible. Stick with the Kindle for reading.

  488. The only thing great about apple is their marketing team. iSheep will buy anything with their logo on it. Don’t even get me started on the ipad. It’s a huge iphone with no flash support. Are you freaking kidding me?

  489. Macbook Pro 15-inch: 2.2 GHz (12/1/2011 – store.apple.com)

    2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
    4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB GDDR5
    MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
    SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $1,799.00

    HP dv6tqe series (12/1/2011 – hp.com)

    2nd generation Intel Core i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz
    8GB DDR3 System Memory
    750GB 5400 rpm Hard Drive
    1GB Radeon(TM) HD 6770M GDDR5 Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
    15.6″ High Definition HP LED Brightview (1366×768)
    Blu-ray player & SuperMulti DVD burner
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $939.99

  490. Oh, and R&D prices, redline, are not constant. Eventually, that $350 that Apple supposedly nets eventually turns into $400 and eventually, when they are running on simply price of parts they are netting a lot more.

  491. Having been forced to use a Mac for two years of my life, I can honestly say that they suck. Middle School was a dark dismal time. Being from Maine, Stephen King himself suggested that they give us PCs instead but did they listen? No, what does Stephen King know they said, Steve Jobs knows so much more they said. Well, they were wrong!!! The truth is there is no benefit in paying an extra ENORMOUS amount of money on a Mac with the same exact features. Why not give your 700 dollars to some one in need. How many Africans could you feed with your Mac OS? Bill Gates is giving away most of his fortune now that he’s retired. Spend your money on a PC, its money better spent for the good of the world. Then, if you still feel like handing over 700 dollars for no real reason, just give it to Bill Gates. Chances are it’ll make it to someone in need.

  492. eh i dont bother with mac fags any more there too ignorant

    i just let it go and let them believe in whatever they want

    there is no point in getting angry about it your just hurting yourself.

  493. Only idiots get computer viruses. That’s why there are so many Mac users. All the idiots got all the viruses and switched to Macs.

  494. , a Microsoft manager said that what his company had tried to do with Windows 7 was “create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics”.

    But that was followed by another statement from Microsoft comms manager Brandon LeBlanc, who laid into Simon Aldous from Microsoft.

    LeBlanc said that Aldous’ comments were “inaccurate and uninformed”. Windows 7 doesn’t look anything like the Mac OS and Aldous wasn’t involved in any aspect of designing Windows 7.

    Of course, this debate will never really go away because both graphic user interfaces owe their ultimate genesis to the geniuses at Xerox Parc who came up with such a concept and suggested the use of a pointing device to navigate around a screen.

  495. @redline’

    youve obviously never use windows that often

  496. 1. You have to many computers.
    2. Most people know that Dell hasn’t always been reliable.
    3. Out of all the computers I ever owned and made only time they crashed was when I got a new graphics card overclocked it to high and it over heated and crashed.

    4. Your personal experience doesn’t equal everyone’s, but if you do ever thinking about getting a new PC I do not recommend a Dell.

    5. In most cases of Windows crashing, it is often a hardware problem or the Users fault, again in most cases not every case.

  497. 7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.)
    i have 18 Macs and they never crash, freeze, and yes Macs have viruses but most of the viruses are small don’t do nothing to the system
    on the other hand i have a PC Dell Inspiron 620s and it crashes 13 times since i got it and freeze up 7 times since i got it. and i got 6 viruses already
    MACS ARE SIMPLE, easier to use.

  498. “(Windows 7 taskbar=OS X dock)”

    windows always had the task bar they just changed the look on vista and, 7 it works nothing like Mac’s dock, if you ever used a Windows OS you would know that.

    Just because they made it transparent doesn’t mean they copied the dock.
    I don’t know about Mac’s UI but the look of windows UI can be changed without the use of 3rd party software (not that I would change it I love the aero look.), you can even make it look like windows 95 for old school people.

    Apple didn’t invent copy and paste they just made it popular 6 years after it was invented then Microsoft made it better. As for drag and drop that whole thing is debatable Apple claims it was in first in their Macintosh while a program developer says he first implemented it in his shareware program for Windows 2.0, but nether side has any proof.

    As for magsafe its not original its just the first time someone put it on a laptop.
    And I don’t know about you but normally I keep magnets away from computers.

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