Why Mac Sucks: Top 10 Reasons Why Macs Blow, And Why Apple Loves Sh*t-Talking Articles Like This One

By   |  December 12, 2009

1. The only business model for Apple is narcissism. Its true. And for what its worth, the only “geniuses” that work for Apple are the members of their marketing team, because holy hell, we all know that the best way to sell a product in this day and age, especially to Americans, is to patronize their self-righteous beliefs. There are only 2 types of people that buy a Mac:

1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general

Either way, people who are confident enough in their knowledge, self-image, and skills rarely find it necessary (or justifiable) to buy one of these disgustingly over-priced machines. Which brings us to…

2. Macs are ridiculously overpriced. Not only do you get much less for your money when you buy ANY type of Macintosh computer compared to your other options, but you get royally screwed whenever you want any halfway-decent Mac machine. Compare 17-inch MacBook Pros starting at an astounding $2500 with thousands of 17-inch alternatives starting at just $599. This is partly because Apple price-fixes their products so drastically, but is mostly because they’d rather tell you what packages are available instead of letting you decide what works best for you. Hmm… what does that sound like?

3. Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends. Where to begin? Because of all the political (read: snobby) games that Steve Jobs gets involved with, most Macs still don’t have HDMI ports, eSATA ports, or BluRay drives, among other mainstream technology standards. Instead of HDMI, for example, they opt for out-of-date DVI ports (but of course only on the MacBook Pro models). This attitude is best summed up by Apple’s 2-decade-long push for world-wide FireWire data ports, which Apple finally dropped many years after its defeat to USB 2.0 was already obvious. (P.S. Apple invented FireWire…)

4. Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux. Its easy to assume that over 90% of Mac owners are not only unaware of this, but don’t have a clue what Linux is. Turns out that back in 1996, after Steve Jobs’ short-lived company NeXT stole its OS base from open-source (read: FREE) BSD Unix, it resold the now proprietary OS to Apple which then became OS X. Perhaps if OS X had the flexibility of Linux, or if Mac fanboys didn’t use Linux concepts (i.e. Terminal) as reasons to brag about OS X, there wouldn’t be so much smearing to do. (Warning: do NOT attempt ask any Mac fanboys about this, or they will ignore your question and start babbling about things like Firefox.)

5. There is no right-f*cking-click! Mac fanboys will respond to this by saying “actually you CAN get a 2-button mouse now!” but even when that is true, the EFFING RIGHT CLICK STILL DOESN’T DO ANYTHING. Oh, cool, I can copy and paste! Oh wait, but I can’t perform any other damn functions in Photoshop or otherwise. And crap, I forgot which combination of 5 keys I need to hold down for right click to work on my 1-button mouse? (Don’t even ask how to make the Delete button actually delete something…)

6. The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded. Again, where to begin?

7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.) I thought I would dispel all the Mac lies in one sentence, so there you go. If you have ever tried to open Photoshop along with a few other programs on a Mac, you will know this frustration well. More often than not the little rainbow wheel will starting spinning like crazy – that, or your Mac will simply freeze. This is because Macs can’t handle multi-tasking very well (although the issue has been improving, according to some). What hasn’t been improving though is the increasing amount of viruses being found on Macs. Sure, we could play the word game and clarify the difference between trojans and viruses, but the point is that Macs are no safer than any other computer, especially since they ship with their firewall turned off.

8. Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best. This is not an overstatement. I am the first to admit that the iTunes/iPod combination is pretty tight (with AAC disabled!). But that’s about it. Mac Mail, iPhoto, GarageBand, iChat, Quicktime, and the rest of the bundled Mac software mostly just sucks, or is extremely limited in what it can do. Luckily some programs like VLC and CuteFTP have recently started to offer Mac versions of their software, but good luck trying to find Mac versions of most popular freeware. Not only that, but their claim that “no hunting for drivers is needed” is only true because barely any hardware is made for Macs! For example, only the Airport Extreme card works with Macs but other PCI cards will not. Thus, if someone needed 802.11a, they would need to buy a (very) costly Ethernet adapter.

9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs. All true gamers already know this, so it really doesn’t require much explanation. Let’s just say that GizModo’s latest check confirmed that this is still true, even on the most expensive graphics card that MacBook Pro currently offers.

10. Macs are not flexible or customizable. This is a vague way to end things, but mostly because its the only way to sum up all the things that are wrong with Macs. We’ve already seen that you can’t customize their hardware or software, and that you can’t even use the Linux functions that *should* be present on any Linux distro. But even within Mac’s little world itself, you can barely change any options on their OS, user interface, The Dock, directory layout, etc. But hey, as long as the only thing you want to do is change your desktop wallpaper to be the photo you took at the latest indie rock show you attended, then by all means, buy a Mac.

For being so “progressive” Apple sure does seem like one stubborn-ass company. Oh, and please note that hating Macs doesn’t make you a Windows fanboy. It just makes you a reasonable person. =)

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  1. Just reading this because I have nothing to do since I’m not home ATM. This review is pretty comical. Asides from that, it sounds like its written by someone who’d never bothered to try a mac. So naturally you can’t expect anything. @JP, who’s review you can read by scrolling down, you are clearly an idiot in terms of computers in general. In multiple years of using PCs you still do not know how to protect one properly, thus adware, viruses, etc. I too think windows looks worse so thats all right and I respect your opinion, but would it kill you to not be a total ass about it? Maybe you have a good mac model so you can actually run programs, but if you compare it to what you can buy at the same price, just, no comment. (While doing research for a friend I found out you can literally get a PC for half the price as a MBP which is nearly double the performance) As to the PCs are stoneage machines part and your opinion on gaming, please, try to run ANY new game that is graphically demanding(GTA V, Witcher, etc.), and not limited to MOBAs like lol and dota. And if you think PCs are slower than macs, clearly you haven’t heard of gaming laptops, or the concept of building your own desktop PC, and just spent your “years of experience” with crappy 13″ HPs which still use the intel centrino cores. Can’t decide which is more laughable, the original article, your review, or the fact that I’m wasting my time here.

  2. Absolute truth!!!!

  3. 1. Just outrageously stereotypical and makes yourself sound not bright.
    2. My personal opinion is the prices are worth it, as I have 1999 Macs that still run great. Not to add the look of the machine is nice and worth it.
    3.They are an independent company that can do as they please, and you don’t have to buy them. DVI models went out a while ago and they use mini display ports and HDMI output.
    4. The reason it is so similar to Linux is the fact both are UNIX-based OSs, something a person running a windows knows nothing about.
    5. There is a right click, it’s click with two fingers, or you can change that in settings.
    6. All of these probelms can be changed with system setting or the user not being an idiot. Of course one still has to get used to the OS
    7. I have had both windows and Mac computers and the windows froze much more frequently and dies due to a virus, I have many Mac computers, one that’s 16 years old and still waiting on that virus.
    8. New macs have wifi and Ethernet adapters are $35 regardless (that’s costly). Also macs have software options the same as windows, as I have never had a problem finding the program I need, but developers usually choose one OS or the other so maybe don’t look for the windows software that has a Mac version. That’s the person looking for the softwares problem.
    9. Retina Displays are the best graphics detectable by the human eye, anything more is overkill.
    10. Macs are a very customizable machine on the OS itself and no one wants to buy a Mac and customize the outside, macs are pretty. On customizing the software on a Mac, it’s easy, but one has to get used to it just like anything else

    You really are not bright, are you?

  4. I learned as a kid on Macs, it was easy…. as i grew older noticed Windows PC’s and began to learn remarkable things like building them and doing all sorts of projects software wise. Then i decided to use a mac again after so many years, and its bueno and all and looks are deceptive. I fixed both mac and pc’s and for some reason with Windows 7 things greatly improved on windows. As far as all errors and hardware issues, learn to build yourself a PC. I’ve built them and used them and rarely had any issues on faulty hardware or viruses because I did my home work on what hardware to pick and preventive measures to keep windows secure. It’s not hard, it just takes determination. Once you reach medium skills you then begin to enjoy all that computers have to offer, it’s also about learning self away from computers, i’ve found I had to use computers less and this released a lot of stress witch gave way to using them on small tasks at a time. Then I suddenly realized why I used a computer in the first place… to let it work without me tending to every window. Life became improved as i learned we are like machines in a way because the universe has it’s mechanical features. But when you return after letting go a bit, you suddenly see the computer is a tool and tools need care if you want them to aid you in your search. So what are you searching? more errors and bullshit.. or do you want a computer that works with you instead of against you. I say take your time to conquer the fears these errors and windows bring. Be yourself, and remember G.O.D is everything (Guiding Our Direction).

  5. To add another issue with macs; my mac has been corrupting most of the flash drives that I have used on it, and hence making very important data unreadable without an expensive third party (approx. $500 to $1000) data recovery operation. Read on online boards that some other people have been having similar problems with their macs. In all my nearly 20 years of using pcs, not a single pc corrupted or otherwise damaged any flash drive. In contrast I only started using mac about 6 months ago and already this recurring problem has started.

  6. To everyone that think macs just work. Try managing one on a domain. They may be ok for home use they are complete and total garbage in a networked environment. From mapping shares to adding printers to syncing files for home use.

  7. I have never used a Mac but windows software which has originated on Mac seems unwieldy and unintuitive and not very supportive of right mouse click.

  8. Reading this on a mac and laughing.

    1. You just insulted half of the world’s population. Apple make iPhones, you know, one of the best and most widely used smartphones in the world? Yeah, them.
    2.You compared the most expensive mac laptop model to some of the cheapest 17″ PCs, I got a 17″ PC for only 300 quid too, check your facts.
    3. I don’t think you could get a clean and small laptop to have a blu-ray disc drive, if you really want one tho, just buy an external disc drive.
    4. Linux? Terrible OS. Mac is vastly improved, vastly prettier and sure, not cheap, neither is windows, not that open source, more virus protected (not rats)
    5. If using a mac laptop, click with 2 fingers. If you are using a mac desktop, don’t buy a 1 button mouse then!
    6. So you think the prettiest OS is ugly? Fine, bet you think a blobfish is pretty hot too, huh? Gonna jack off to a blobfish? Be my guest.
    7. Mac crashes less than windows, it’s easier to get viruses on windows, windows freezes more. Don’t get me wrong, windows is my favourite OS but viruses and crashes are the cost of open-source.
    8. Why would you try and use Mac Mail when you either have MS Outlook or, like most people, use this amazing thing we like to call the “internet.”
    iPhoto, pretty good actually, not sure why you wouldn’t like that, although I guess professional software is hard to use. GarageBand, ok, why would anyone choose to use GarageBand in the first place. What thirst does it quench? This is like me saying that windows is terrible because internet explorer doesn’t have a search bar! iChat, never heard of it. Quicktime useful for audio recording and screen recording.

    9. Macs are work computers, not gaming computers.

    10. Have you looked into macs at all? Just a tip, next time you slag something off, do research on it.

  9. I partially agree. I recently bought a Mac. My old computer had been a Windows 7, and it crashed after multiple errrors. The reason why I bought a Mac is because I wanted a more reliable computer, and one that is more geared towards musicians. So far, the only huge issue I’ve had with it is that it isn’t customizable. I remember that when I had a problem with my PC’s interface, all I had to do was install some software, or simply go to the Control Panel. My main complaint is that if you wanted to, for example, change your mouse cursor, you can’t go to system preferences and change it. (You can change the size, of course, but not the shape). You can’t even go online and download a new cursor. All you can do is sit there like a starving dog until the App Store decides to throw you a bone, or rather, a halfassed app made so that it only works when it feels like it. If only Macs had a more open interface, then it would be a better computer. Also, the thing about having to open images individually sucks.

  10. “I believe this unprofessional article is wrong. The graphics are perfectly fine for me, and games run smoothly. Watching anything on it is perfectly fine also. I’d better respect this article if it hadn’t insulted the Mac’s fanbase, and if it took the mature way and didn’t use curse words or insults at all. I can’t believe you people call this a professional article.”

    The question isn’t if they run smoothly, but if the games run more smoothly with PC and the graphics are better (of course depending on you graphics card). OR if they run at all: for example, two (there are more I am sure of it) new very popular games don’t run on Mac at all (Witcher 3 and Grand Theft Auto V).

  11. So True! I 100% agree with this whole article.

  12. Windows gets viruses? LMAO. 1) Update your Windows Defender (if you weren’t setting it up to automatic update; 2) Don’t jerk off to the WEB porn too often. There are viruses for MacOS and Ubuntu too.

  13. I grew up with Windows XP, got it to do basically everything I needed it to do without much of a problem. Used Vista, 7, and 8. All of them got the job done. I liked XP and 7 better than the others, needless to say, but they all worked. Then, I got into linux, ran Ubuntu 12.04 as my main OS for a year and a half while trying out many other distros at that time. Switched to Elementary OS Luna on my main machine and did that for maybe 6 months. Both Ubuntu and Elementary worked great. I simply preferred Elementary for its looks. Then I got a 2010 MacBook Air handmedowned to me, and ever since I have used Mac OSX Mavericks and Yosemite (When the update came.) Bear in mind that this is a 5 year old computer. It runs without even a shadow of a problem. I have 0 complaints with Mac OSX or the hardware. I run Peppermint OS on here sometimes too, and that works great. Apple does not suck. Apple’s stuff works well 5 years after its prime, as proven by the performance of my MacBook. I am unbiased, having used OSes for extended periods of time in every category, and I say that they all do the job. Honestly, I prefer Mac OSX over all the rest of them except maybe Elementary OS Luna. (That one’s a close match.)

  14. Well said Jesse, and entirely correct. Apple sucks.

  15. HEY HEY HEY I’m no nerd but I want to point out that I’ve had years of experience with pcs and they always end up breaking, geting viruses and adware. For me they suck d so I never am going to buy one again. Windows looks soo ugly compared to OS X Yosemite. Even windows 8 is ugly with its square fat icons to it’s unsimplistic design I don’t see how I worked with those shitty things, after about a year they start to get bad. Files never delete completely and its hard to find them, I love the smooth and unscaled interface of Yosemite os x. I thought you were smart enough to look in the fckn settings to change the date to viewable, settings are one of the things that you have to actually notice! Pcs have cheap plastic designs while macs use metal, which last so much longer. The dock you can change in settings too. I don’t know what your talking about but I run about 5 programs at the same time on my mac pro and it still works. Believe me if you want gaming get the mac pro it handles as well as a gaming computer for me. All worth the money that I spent on it and the one I’m earning, I run roblox studio, adobe photoshop, safari , numbers, and pages all at the same time no lag no freeze. I get my extra money out of the roblox developer exchange program, it gives me about a thousand bucks each month. This never worked on my pcs I would probably never get the extra money I do now with a pc, probably because it lagged me out when I started the most simple scripts.. CHEAP.UGLY.SLOW.STONEAGE MACHINES Really they never come up with anything new! very boring and old.

  16. We own a Mac as our home computer. I would say we “use” it as our home computer, but after having to look up how to do basic functions online (e.g., copy, paste, screen-shot, access USB downloads, etc) and finding their multiple steps ridiculous and anything but “intuitive.” But yeah … the candy apple red case protecteur (yes, as a Mac owner, I’m speaking and spelling in Euro in order to raise my pretentiousness to the levels expected of us) looks nice, and image is what this thing is really about, right? As for the paper I’m trying to scan, copy, and send to my friend in an e-mail (forgive me … I should probably be tweeting it or sharing it in an iCloud) … I’ll have to go into work and use the PC there. Too complicated to execute on this wonderfull rectangle of narcissism that we’ve bought into.

  17. Even though Macs aren’t very customisable. they are good machines to do things with. THEY JUST WORK. my dad has had to reload windows computers so many times.

  18. Arien Peoples Personal Luxury Electronics.
    Hence why its always white why its always over priced and why their fans are as Fanatical as the Nazi SS. its just not cool anymore. When buying apple, Your saying I’m Cattle Please sell me Buzz words and rainbows. because I am too stupid to rationalize true value. Shoveling cash in to a furnace.

  19. I believe this unprofessional article is wrong. The graphics are perfectly fine for me, and games run smoothly. Watching anything on it is perfectly fine also. I’d better respect this article if it hadn’t insulted the Mac’s fanbase, and if it took the mature way and didn’t use curse words or insults at all. I can’t believe you people call this a professional article.

  20. ITS REALLY SIMPLE, AFTER 10 YEARS OF USING APPLE COMPUTERS, I KNOW THAT APPLE IS NOT IN THE COMPUTER BUSINESS … They are now making all the mistakes MicroSoft (and a thousand now unknown computer wannabe ‘s) made decades ago … no quality or product … FINAL …testing and control before release) saves labor cost and gets rid of pesky real users). However, maybe a watch .. or pretty tablet ..that also disappears when held sideways (no connections) is your preference … even if it relies on wireless connections that do not work with security setting on “really tough to break in” and firewalls – on. By the way the tablets or Macs can only connect physically to your wallet, ,,, but they are super thin – like cool fashion models — but who EVER said they wanted that ???
    I simply want a better 2010 MacBook Pro with all repeat all the connectors. no Thunder crap or wiz usb3. AND I WILL PAY FOR THAT (QUAD PROCESSORS) Where is Steve J when he is needed.

    JJ FINN

  21. Can’t even watch movie in Mac and waste a lot of time to teach GF how to do standard activities such as watching movie via her Macbook Pro. She’s Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable and look cool. I gave up on her and break up because we are living in 2 different worlds.

  22. Mac’s are great HARDWARE. My MacBook 17″ is a very good laptop FOR RUNNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX. About their operating systems or software… No comments. :)

  23. I have a new Macbook Pro and it SUCKS!!!! It is not for someone trying to multi-task. Too many steps. This is not at all good for a business person.

  24. Yeah I Agree Mac sucks because everything is there way or the highway Proprietary bullshit, oh you have to do it this way or that… Windows operating system is more open ended too.

  25. Your wrong about one thing. MAC OS SUCKS. The hardware rocks. If you buy a “comparable” IBM it will cost about the same. MAC hardware is consistently superior to IBM compatible hardware.

  26. Mike/Bobberino +100500. Basically there is no reason for arguing. The OS of Apple machines even is not in the same class as Windows. Of course being a fanboys you don’t wanna accept this fact. Brain-washing, typical style of your favorite company.

  27. Fucking apple fangays over here trying to protect their overpriced pieces of shit hardware that Steve Cunt made. Classic example of cult brain-washed, narcissistic brainless people that eats up apple’s poo like it’s gold.

    Grow up and open your fucking eyes. How is any of their stuff even worth your time, you fucking hippies?

  28. Sorry,,,, maybe it is due to how dated this article is (2009) that it seems like you never owned or even used a mac before, but if you are taking so much time to write such a long blog/article/nonsense, at least make sure you know what you are writing about.

    Seriously spreading un-accurate information is so easy on the web.
    But then you writing about it probably out of frustration of not being able to figure out where to turn on the “Right Click”.

    Anyway, to whoever reads this article, this “DUDE” has it all wrong, there is hardly a true word in it. my advice is to get your info from somewhere else.

  29. I love it!! Apples are cute but they are not for serious computing by any means.. They are for the kids, moms, and the elderly to play games and do social media.. Light email. lol (new Outlook app available at the Apple store!)

  30. Apple provides a tightly controlled operating system running on very limited hardware range which is a huge advantage for them. They are more trouble free both hardware and software wise but that is due to the control Apple retains over their hardware and OS and they charge a premium for that. As far as the average user, and most users really are in that category despite what they think, if you can afford that premium they provide what the majority of people really need. The reality is that this controlled hardware software combination is a highly desirable state. It’s what Windows strives for in a corporate environment having only one or two models of laptops and desktops at any one time running a known corporate image on a consistent and known hardware configuration which makes those systems far easier to support. I make my living working with Microsoft products for a financial institution and software wise our systems are very stable. In the home I live with a highly creative multimedia hobbyist so I have exposure to Macs as well and the 7 year old iMac is still contributing as a daily driver for the kids. I now mostly recommended Macs to family members and friends for ease of use and overall reliability (less calls for support to me). I still don’t use one but for what the real majority of people need for email, web, audio, video and entertainment the Apple products come out of the box ready to go and you don’t need to blow the preinstalled image away because of hardware vendor cramming it with their branded add ons and malware (bad Lenovo). You do have a lack of choice with Apple but for most that is a very attractive piece of hardware that still provides all they need so they don’t see that as a limitation and lets be honest if you don’t ever need to cross that limitation line then it doesn’t really exist.

  31. Funny and appropriate read as I stare at my IMac- with a white screen and apple with a bite…$1200.00 for this wonderful sight. Come up with the ability to install a damned OS without having to jump through hoops or pack everything up, stuff in vehicle and visit the “geniuses” and maybe I could join the fanboy club. All this, as I type my woeful diatribe on my surface pro.

  32. couldnt agree more, the mac im reading this on sucks bawls. (wasnt my idea to get this piece of shit) doing my homework at the georgia institute of technology is damn near impossible on this apple bullshit.

  33. 1- Not talking about the product itself, basic ad-hominem.

    2- Apple products are, in general, slightly pricier than other alternatives. Not ridiculously overpriced if you take everything into account (and compare them to similar products – this includes not only cpu/gpu specs, but materials used, screen/touchpad/battery quality, etc.), but I’ll still give you half a point here. A bit more expensive, yes.

    3- I’m writing this on a mac that has 2 thunderbolt ports, 2 usb 3.0 and guess what? HDMI! That makes you… hmm… wrong.

    4- Sheer idiocy. I won’t even bother commenting on this asides from saying that you just stated your completely lack of knowledge about operating systems. Read a book.

    5- Sheer idiocy (again, I’m starting to notice a trend here). Every mac in the last 10 years or so has supported right click out of the box.

    6- Lets break this down:

    1) You can get the date by clicking it, having a menu bar app like fantastical, or opening dashboard via a key or screen corner or gesture. I’ll still give you half a point for this one, just to be fair.

    2) You can see minimized windows. You can adjust dock behavior and appearance (at least as much as you can the windows start bar – hidden/non hidden, size, magnification or not. It’s a tie in customization.) No points here for you, just more lies.

    3) The behavior will depend on the program: there are programs that benefit greatly from this, as you might want to close the windows but still have the program running. Not 100% consistent, I’ll give you that, but then again I NEVER close a program by clicking the tiny close button, it is too slow – either command+w to close window or command+q to quit the app. The equivalent to what I would do in windows. Still, if you are a complete noob, I guess I can give you 1/2 a point for this one as well. (I’m being generous here!)

    4) You have command tab + expose. In realistic scenarios, this is vastly superior to the windows experience. There might be extreme cases where it isn’t (30 open windows belonging to the same app, maybe), but that affects what? 0.01% of users? Design is always a trade-off, and in this case it pays for the mac. No points, sorry.

    5) Full points for this one! Yes, it is true, yes it is annoying. However I have an app called better touch tool that mimics the snapping from windows 7, so I have no problems with maximizing. It should be an option out of the box, though, so I give you full credit for this one.

    6) Hmm… No, it doesn’t. Select 100 images, open them in preview, they all open in the same window. Back to the lying?

    7) Yes you can, with trackpad gestures.

    7 – Completely false. A working mac under load will not freeze more than an equivalent windows, it will be about the same. And viruses are still way less prevalent in mac systems.

    8 – Any bundled software is VASTLY superior in every way to bundled software in windows. Mail, iPhoto, GarageBand and iMovie blow anything microsoft offers out of the water (want to talk about the joke that is MovieMaker? LOL). What about the microsoft equivalents of iPhoto or garageband? Oh wait… As for other software, last time I checked I could get Office for mac, iWork (which is superior for the COMMON user and not available for windows), the whole Adobe Suite, VLC has been out for mac for YEARS, Final Cut, Logic, Aperture, (all mac exclusive), and pretty much anything. This is maybe the worst offender of your whole list. I suggest removing your head from your own ass.

    9 – I’ll give you a point for gaming, sure, credit where it’s due. Macs have been getting progressively better at it, but windows still reigns. Although I can already play pretty good stuff on a mbpro, and I guess the situation will be much better in a few more years.

    10 – Again with the customization… I’ll give you no points here until you show exactly what you can change in windows that you can’t in the mac (since your point was clearly about changing the graphical aspect of the system). Last time I checked, windows allowed you to 1- change the start bar position (which mac os also does with the dock) 2- Change wallpaper and screensaver (same) 3- change the windows between acceptable aero and horrid classic (macs fortunately don’t allow you to make them horrible looking) and… in terms of looks that’s about it.

    Ok, let’s count, shall we?

    You made, counting the subpoints on section 6, 16 claims. Of those, in all honesty and fairness, I can grant you 3,5 points. Most of the rest was either:

    1- Having no idea about how to work with a mac or its capabilities
    2- Wanting a mac to behave like windows like that would be inherently superior
    3- Blatant lies and misinformation (really, how hard is it to do a google search and know that there are macs with HDMI, or right click, or at least know the difference between BSD and Unix, or …. etc etc etc)

    Macs are far from perfect. Every computer is. But as a Mac and Windows user I could make a bigger list of TRUE problems with Macs / MacOs than you could, and without resorting to misinformation and pure slander.

  34. I bought from Apple.com.au a computer containing faulty hardware.
    The graphics card was designed and built in a way that caused failure in the machine in a short period of time. The computer is now completely unusable.
    I looked on the internet and it seems hundreds of thousands of macbooks have the exact same problem.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if each and every macbook of that generation failed as mine and many others have.
    Apple are still procrastinating with a replacement plan. It has been a terrible purchase.

  35. you are awesome thos mac fans suck

  36. fuck macs they are bullshit

  37. I hate you

  38. and i am reading this on a mac.. lol so true

  39. Couldn’t even finish this article because you’re incomprehensibly wrong. #3 (Macs don’t have an hdmi port) While technically true (They don’t) They have this great thing called a thunderbolt port which has adapters to go to literally all of the ports. I have two adapters, one for HDMI and one for VGA. For both it cost me maybe $15. Whats better. A port that does all of the things, or a port that does one thing? #4 Absolutely, impossibly wrong. In fact so wrong that you either have to be an idiot to believe that or you know full well that it is wrong yet you still try to pass it as correct. Linux is completely different from BSD. While they are both based of off unix thats like saying that a car and a plane are the same thing because they both have engines. Also the BSD that apple uses is licensed, its not free. And its that same unix base thats makes it better than Windows. Windows needs a compatibility layer in order to even support Unix things (read: the internet). #5 There is no right-f*cking-click! Um two fingers is a right click. #8 . Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best. No. I have updated my ram, hard drive and processor with out having to buy apple hardware. as for software, the only reason I use mac is because I can’t get the software I need on Linux. #9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs. So tired of this one. NOT EVERYONE F*CKING GAMES! #10. Macs are not flexible or customizable. IT. IS. NOT. A. LINUX. DISTRO. Also if you know how to use mac like a poweruser, You can do all of those things.

  40. Macs fucking suck. Period

  41. Fuck Macs. Adjusting nearly any option is harder to do on a Mac than a PC, it requires more clicks, more user input, and is usually in obscure places you have to go digging around in the OS for.

    Fuck Macs

    OSx is shit.
    Windows is shit.

  42. @Yur Mom

    Not sure if you’re a troll or anything.

    If not,

  43. OMFG, MUC SAK AZZ!!! I DOWNT EVEN OWM A MUC BAT STIELL I HEIT MUCS!!!!!!

  44. All of these comments, are 100% true.

  45. up until gpl v3 osx was loaded with software taken directly from the linux side of things. even much of the stuff taken from *bsd (mostly freebsd i hear) is a rewrite of linux software to allow for bsd licensing which in turn allows apple to use it in proprietary applications. for the record, i personally see nothing wrong with this practice. in any case, it’s impossible to deny that osx is little more than 4 to 6 year old linux. if you read the release history for these applications you’ll see why this doesn’t really matter, and why arguing over any of it is pointless. i’m a nerd so i use linux mainly because i feel the need to own the newest shiniest things, but nothing wrong with using apple if you can afford it and feel comfortable with it’s design.

  46. LOL os x is NOT linux and has NOTHING to do with linux. Linux is a clone of Unix System V, OS X is descended from BSD Unix.

  47. LOL os x is NOT linux and has NOTHING

  48. Lol, it is true mac’s seriously dont have god dam right-click buttons. By god I hate them so much I got a friend that is like what you call it everything is apple products seriously wtf your usbs get screwed up literally. Then when they do u gotta refucking format it wtf stupid macs.

  49. So, first of all – I don’t think Apple is the devil. And never did, by the way. Their gadgets are nothing more than overrated and overpriced rubbish. Sorry, fanboys, but it’s my personal opinion. Average Mac is not better than average PC (excluding design, but you should take a look at modern HPs, Dells, Asuses, Acers, etc; their design becomes better and better with every model). So, if you like glamorous gadgets – go buy Mac. At the same time, if you want a real deal – buy PC.

  50. My goodness. This post and most of the comments bleed of ignorance. You obviously had 2 bad experiences and therefore stereotype apple as the devil. I went from having a complete line of Microsoft products (I still have my zune, I just don’t use it but it was great and still works) to experimenting and going for the complete trade-over to apple after trying everything out. My computers are over 6 years old, still running strong. And Apple computers are not built to have fun on, they are to do work on, especially handy with music production. But to say it’s not customizable is to tell me your head is stuck up your ass because I’ve changed everything from my mouse cursor to my wallpaper, dock size/layout/positioning/presence, drive icons, menu support colours, etc. Your post is bad and you should feel bad, but then again when your research is compiled like this? I’d rather you stick to Windows because it fits you better.

  51. Apple is indeed a narcissistic personality incorporated. Everything is severely euphemized and glorified to something unrealistic and nauseating. Calling their sales-personnel ‘geniuses’, or calling everything ‘i’ or ‘me’, are a mere few examples of their ego.

    One thing most Apple-users I personally have encountered have in common, is a complete lack of knowledge about technology, and a smug smile when presenting their gadgets.

    “I prefer Apple because the icons aren’t oriented at the left,” is one example of their comments about their Apple-fanaticism. “Apple is more for the intellectuals,” dared the same person to add.

    And this person used the Mac for really advanced things, like surfing the web, and playing ‘The Sims’. She merely wanted to Look intellectual, not be an Actual intellectual. [Yes, there’s more about her confirming this hypothesis.]

    But I digress: if you like Apple, use it! But do not expect people to believe in the tenets of the Apple-religion.

    Apple is perfect if you: A) do not know much about technology. B) do not want to know much about technology. C) are not a gamer. D) obsessively want to hold on to that which was great many years ago. E) are ignorant over threats (e.g. many here comments about viruses coming from illegal sites, which is a myth: almost all viruses comes from legal sites!) F) do not want to think for yourselves. G) want to appear as something you’re not.

    You need four or more of these to be diagnosed as an Apple Narcissist.

    And kudos to one of my honest Apple-loving friend, for admitting: “I don’t know a shit about technology, so I chose Apple ’cause I find it simple and easy to use”.

  52. Ooohhh my fucking god you could not have explained that any better. It is like nazi Germany hijacked linux and this is the result. A fucking death camp.

  53. It’s not that MAC sucks, MAC doesn’t suck. It’s just notably inferior to IBM-PC.

  54. 1. I’m a student, and my Macbook Air is the best computer ever. Free photo-editing, word, presentation, film, fraps, music software with the purchase of my Mac. These gadgets pay for the computer itself.
    2. True…however, if you’re intelligent you can get a 13″ Macbook Air For $599; I got mine at the Davis-Monthan AFB BX for $599 on boxing day with no additional taxes. Also, if you change your location on the apple store, the prices dramatically decrease
    3.You can get external adapters for these extra ports. The only reason why they are usually not included is because it takes away from the space of the computer, and its usually advertised as lightweight
    4. Point is true…yet I find that at the end, I am offended to read the insults. When you insult any minority (or majority) without a valid conflict, than the point becomes invalid
    5. Have you checked the settings? Have you ever searched it up in the ‘HELP”? Even if you don’t, Ill have you know that you are supposed to use 2 FINGERS for this problem. Click on the trackpad with 2 fingers, you get an options bar.
    6. ~Just click on it for a full date. Its not even necessary if your writing a document using Pages, it automatically fills it in for you (How Convenient!!!)
    ~its easier to just do ‘Command-q’,
    ~Use I-Photo
    ~The rest of the points were not clear
    7. This will happen with EVERY COMPUTER!!! especially if your RAM is low and you have a million other things open. I find that the anti-virus software works perfectly fine…unless you roam onto illegal download sites like ‘The Pirate Bay’ and download something that is prone to viruses
    8. Never had a problem with any of those.
    9. Not necessarily, I had a friend that bought an OP Alienware with 32GB RAM, and yet my Macbook Air with 4 GB RAM ran 3 times as fast on most games. You really don’t need a super-fast gaming computer unless that is the way you make money. (What is wrong with my generation)
    10.That point i will agree with, especially when it comes to using programs like GIS, ArcMaps, ArcGIS (anything ESRI Based). These programs are widely used and have no support for IOS.

    There are a lot of up sides to owning a mac, and there are many downsides (Just like any computer). Every computer fits a certain persons needs. If you’re going to disdain a certain brand, make sure your data is actually accurate. I de-bunked most of your points. If you would have focused on more prominent problems (Limiting your i-Cloud Keychain, no ESRI integration, little customization, touchscreen integration, etc etc etc) rather than those that can be easily avoided or fixed just by changing a couple settings.

  55. Its so funny how upset apple fanboys get hahaha WAHHHHHH WAHHHHHH WAHHHHHH WAHHHHHH WAHHHH

  56. Yes, and it definitely will not be a Mac. Not a Windows fan boy really, just owned a Mac gadgets. Useless, great for glamorous teenagers. Sorry, fan boys, just a opinion based on the experience.

  57. Okay, the name is bullshit. I’m talkin’ Shit.

    First off, read my review before you give me bullshit replies. First off, this is an EXTREMELY outdated review, and is out of reason. First off, it’s a beefy computer; You don’t get viruses on this side, whereas I can get many viruses from them other computers.

    Second, I use my Mac for mostly gaming, and almost nothing else. Before you criticize me, yes, I AM a 14 year old. But no, I do also have a life, and no, I don’t get bullied in school. You can customize basically every fucking thing on a Mac. Bullshit, graphics is good on this, and I can see every fucking thing. Maybe the screen isn’t bright enough, but that’s fine.

    Third, I can download everything I want. Besides, if you don’t want a shitty mouse, GO FUCKING BUY ANOTHER ONE FROM ANOTHER FUCKING STORE!

  58. Guys, I’m pretty sure this article is a joke.

  59. Apple is for retarded self centered egoistic fat boys.

  60. Mac sucks period

  61. What are you talking about crazy person. 75% of your predicament is nonsense. And the rest is questionable.
    Mac is based on UNIX not linux.
    I love linux but to say mac osx is based on linux only clarify your lame knowledge on computer history.
    The terminal is not a linux concept. The terminal is the natural way to speak with a computer. The graphical part (the click and drag) is what they put on top to let people like you use computers.
    There is no such thing as viruses or anti-virus on this side of the border.
    Is not that mac can’t be customized is that you don’t know how it’s done. (you can open 100 images in one window, you don’t know how. Date displays the format you select, again you don’t know how to do it, etc….).
    Here is the thing; windows has fucked up your brain my friend. Forget the right click and the window specific key combinations they are not computer knowledge. And please don’t talk about things you don’t know.

  62. What are you talking about crazy person.

    There is such thing as virus or anti-virus in macs.

  63. Funny stuff. I love the anti-fanboy attitude of the Windows crowd. Funny that you all are just as big fanboys as any apple fanboy out there.

    I don’t even know where to begin debunking this article as your either going to believe this shite or not based on whatever biases you bring in to it, but man, the only thing I agree with here is the stolen Linux backbone, but considering all of windows is stolen from corral and Xerox I don’t see how that can even be mentioned with a straight face. The price issue? Really? your going to compare an outdated machine with a two year old processor to a mac? If you were comparing top of the line Sony or Samsung then we can talk. The spread between a comparably equipped mac to a windows machine is about $200 on average. more money yes but not as the article states.

    My mac doesn’t crash when running multiple apps, so that’s just made up fanboy nonsense. Also while viruses do exist for mac, the Windows malware is far more prevalent and will commonly bring down the average users machine with ease. Yes, you can virus scan and change the way programs behave when you open them, but the average user doesn’t know how to do that nor do they want to be bothered.

    At the end of the day, it just a preference issue. Widows machines don’t suck, they’re just a little different. Flaws exist on both machines. About the only thing I’d like to see is you windows fanboys just admit that you are just that, fanboys. This article is one big windows circle jerk and if you think for a minute you don’t do that same shite the apple fanboys do then your not looking in the mirror objectively.

    P.S. Linux is better than either operating system.

  64. In case none of you fools have realized, Apple is not in the business of providing innovative APIs and development paradigms to people who actually write code, they are in the business of making marginally better device-OS frameworks seem to perform better than alterrnative frameworks/platforms by convincing existing users that “Apple knows best” and similar incorrect, and readily disproved assertions. But sheeple, who have parted with $500-$900 for the latest “Crapple” device, are resistant to recognition of their folly.

  65. If you need to file a tax return, keep in mind that TurboTax will not install and run on the MAC–not enough users to justify Intuit’s effort to port it. My major complaints about the MAC:

    1-Arrangement of keys on keyboard and need to relearn commands
    2-The price is outrageous and the options are very limited

    What I like: The MacBook Air is very portable.

    What I use most: Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon. I used to use WinXP a lot. I also use Ubuntu 14.04 and Win7 on a laptop. Linux Mint 17 is the bomb!

    50+ years in computing–analyst, programmer and user.

  66. they suck

  67. True dat’

    ;)

    Worms run faster than macs.

  68. and that’s why it’s called CRAPPLE

  69. I got a used Imac with Tiger Osx on it and you cant upgrade programs or download games on it nothing works
    thats cause most of the world uses Windows and programmers stop making stuff for it cause no body is using it
    what a waste of 80 dollars

  70. There is a right click on mac….im using a macbook pro as we speak…..you just need to change it in the settings and then ur lower right corner of your track bad becomes a right button

  71. Every search I do online about how to do anything on my Mac is filled with obscenities – and up comes your post! I bought this piece of crap Mac thinking it would replace my PC. Not in my lifetime. Thankfully the PC is still hanging on so I can use it to look up how to do the *simplest* things on this piece of ****. What a farce. But my searches for how to do anything on any of the newer MS programs (and I’m still at least one version behind) are similarly filled with obscenities since they bite too nowadays.

  72. To Jonathan: OWNED MacBook (that white plastic shit) and it SUCKS. Sold it.

  73. I bought a MacBook Pro (i7, 8Gb ram) at the end of last year. I was happy at the beginning but now I hate it. It slower than Windows, it freezes with simple tasks, it has a very stupid way to maximise or minimise the windows. Third party software fails worst than with Windows. Printers configuration options are much more limited than with Windows (same printer). Everything needs more clicks than in Windows. It really sucks!

  74. This is opinionated bullshit, plus you can’t judge something that you’ve never owned

  75. Mac is shit. Always so proud and braggy for their low end cheap devices

  76. I hate macs. Slow and overpriced. No cut and paste function which drives me nuts. I put in my new 2T external hard drive into the mac for the time machine thing, now I can’t use it for anything else and don’t know how to format it again to use on Windows. Driving me nuts.

  77. I put together a picture of Bill Gates and Jesus at the Procession to Calvary to illustrate the very point of this article:

    http://www.danielehrman.com/blog/2014/10/22/12-steps-to-os-x-acceptance

    Comments welcome!

  78. Forgot these reasons as well.

    11. Techie Work : Everyone always has that one friend or relative that “fixes computers”. They usually do the repairs for free or barter a service such as 2 liter mountain dew, cigarettes and a few snickers bars. The large majority of users have PC’s. So if you get a Mac, there is a strong chance that you wont have a friend or relative who can fix it for “free” as listed previously, so you have to pack the WHOLE computer back in the box and ship it off.

  79. After shelling out what must be tens of thousands of dollars over the years for apple products, today I reached breaking point with their iCloud Security Password and Questions update. Back in the day, Apple introduced an “@mac.com” service. it worked well enough for my purposes but the team at apple came up with “@me.com” to replace it. All was working well enough until Apple forced us all onto iCloud. For some this meant changing their email address (now for the third time in only a few short years). For others like myself who want to hold onto their old email address, it has meant countless phone calls to Apple Support – all of whom have been stumped and confused themselves, as my “@mac.com” account for iTunes needs one set of passwords and security questions, whilst my “@me.com” needs an entirely different set. Also, Apple did not automatically create the same email addresses when they switch to “@icloud.com” meaning some unknown person has the same prefix to my “@me.com” email address as I might have changed to a new “@icloud.com” email address. Furthermore, purchases I made when “@mac.com” (my AppleID) first came out are not transferrable or merge-able with any other AppleID making for multiple accounts.
    Today I was asked to update my credit card details in iCloud (even though I’d already done this in my iTunes account). In order to do that I was forced to change my password yet again. This must be the 10th password change I’ve had in 2 years – and will need to change that password on ALL of my devices. Then I was asked to answer 3 security questions which I vaguely remember having to answer some years back, but none of which bear any reference to my life (who was your favourite teacher – none of them; where was your least favourite job – my last one; what was the first car you owned – never owned a car). After calling Apple and going through the entire “@mac.com”, “me.com”, “@icloud.com” scenario, the gentleman tells me that he cannot reset the security questions or answers for at least another 8 hours as yet another added security feature. Then why the heck did the website ask me to give my phone number to Apple to have them call me, and to go through the process of getting several one-time only pins. This with the absolute rubbish iOS 8 release, the dodgy iPhone 6 reviews and that absolutely useless Apple Watch that’s coming out means that, for me, my Apple days are over. They have become w-a-y too efficious and unstreamlined the way they once were. Mr Cook might still be touting “it just works” in his keynote presentations, but the truth of the matter is that it just works some of the time, and not without some heart ache along the way.

  80. FUCK MACS FUCK MACS AND FUCK MACS AGAIN…
    Thankyou APPLE
    For banging on about SIMPLICITY and making EVERYTHING, SOOOOOOO FUUUUUCKIIIING DIFFICULT..

  81. Apple did not invent FireWire. FireWire is faster then USB and mostly for cameras that support it (and various other media devices) apple never invented anything at all. And to the idiot in comments, no apple is not for business, it’s literally for media. PC has dominated the business aspect for computers for years (since before apple Lisa) remember IBM?

  82. I’m currently using a macbook pro work computer, and it is the shittiest computer I’ve ever used, Currently looking into a PC (possibly Alienware) for Mechanical Engineering. ~Thanks to ED’s comment, I’ve completely decided to never buy a mac, ever.

  83. To thisarticleisinvalid: Hmmm, do you really have any experience with Win8? Actually, Windows Defender (antivirus) IS included in Win8.

    And now Apple decided to make us happy with other overpriced piece of shit: iPhone6. For the info – this “chef d’oeuvre” got 1GB RAM. Se voila.

  84. If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it’ll live it’s entire life believing it is stupid. Honestly. Apple products are not for the people who know their stuff about computers. They’re not for the people know how to build their own computers or write their own OSs. It’s not for those people like to tinker with the machine and make it better, replacing different components of the machine and rewiring it, having fun re-creating the machine to make it run more efficiently, and with more power. If you want something like that, get a PC. For these types of people, PC will always be better because PCs allow you to do all these things. PC was built by, and for these types of people. Apple products or not. I’m not saying that Apple products are for stupid people, I’m saying that Apple products are for people who are fine with being restricted,because you don’t feel like they’re being restricted, seeing as they don’t understand The infinite amount of ways the computer can be taken apart and reconstructed, and what each way is capable of doing, and they don’t care. Apple products are the people who are happy to work with what’s given to them, and don’t care about what else could be used, or what other ways they could be used, even if it makes the machine better.

  85. The person who wrote this article obviously does not know how to use a mac. Macs are meant for business, not gaming. It may be overpriced but you are paying for the quality of the computer. Also windows is vulnerable and you have to pay a lot more than $2500 to buy the computer and pay for all of the repairs and antiviruses. I own a windows vista and it is a lot better than windows 8. Before windows 8, I was okay with windows, but now they have screwed me over.

  86. Apple = waste of money. A Shit Waste of Money

  87. therealmacuser is officially retarded. you cant just say stuff without any proof. Macs are by far the most restrictive, expensive and theyare also horrible quality. Has anyone noticed that Anything apple tends to break a hell of a lot more thhan anything else. The only thing mac are good at doing is making their computers look good, and I dont know who would be retarded enough to get one instead of a cheaper much better windows HP computer
    APPLE SUCKS BALLS.

  88. Thank you!!! I am so tired of this Apple craze and people telling me how superior Apple products are. Um no, totally not. I was blessed this past year with the ability to FINALLY get rid of my iPhone and my iPad and I could not be happier. My new devices are completely customize-able, have more capabilities, and actually allow me to be productive instead of just being glorified gaming devices, that I can’t really use at all for Uni or work.

  89. Wow. Where to begin.
    Background: I am an Electrical Engineer, a Computer Engineer, and a Network Engineer with a completed degree from one of the most distinguished universities in the world. I have 30 years of computer engineering experience including IBM. I started my own Computer Support/Network Engineering/IT Support firm 20 years ago, before a lot of you fanboys were born. Today it is a going concern with 12 employees. I am the guy that the other IT guys come to when they need help.
    I have used nearly every OS there is. I have written literally millions of lines of software in high level languages down to assembler and machine code and even microcode – the level below machine code literally fixed inside the processor and the one that most people have never even heard of much less have the foggiest concept what it is. I am the real deal – you will not find a deeper, wider tech person than me. This isnt bragging – I am just establishing the weight I bring to the table.
    If that’s not enough: At my finger tips right now, as I type, all for JUST me to use: qty5 screens, a total of 48 threads of processing power, 160-GB ram, 16TB hard drive space. Mostly windows2012r2 server, with some win7/win8/vmware/linux thrown in for variety. And this isnt even my main station.
    If you think that i dont like macs because i cant afford one, then you are an egotistical twit. I could go, right now, down to the applestore and buy qty 15 of the best macs in the store with what i have in my dang daily-expense checking account.
    Here is the thing that i know will happen: all the wet-behind-the-ears mac fanboys will claim that i made up all of the above, but if that’s you, you will just have to be happy in your own ignorance because every word is true.
    Here is what I can say with absolute authority: osx is designed to force you into a very, very small little world where you cant do anything except a few specifically allowed safe things. It makes for a stable world. It makes for a cool carefree world. It makes for a mostly virus- and threat-free world. It is a world that is so small and simple and unimaginative that the machine can do your work for you. If your work encompasses a severely limited set of needs, then mac and osx is for you. If however, you want to actually accomplish something, and you dont mind bringing at least half a brain to the table, then get a real computer and put win7pro, win8pro, or linux on it. And do in in a virtualized environment so you can really get some power.
    I know that there are a bunch of hipster mac fanboys out there who are wanting to cry and go find mommy, and I’m sorry about that. Your dad should have made you tougher. But read ’em and weep. OSX is the worst os i ever used – bar none even going back to the 70’s, out of a total of about 30. You mac fanboys can’t even name more than 3 operating systems, so dont even try to tell me I have no basis for my statements.
    Who is more believable – the guy who has used everything for many many years, or the guy who is too narrow-minded to use anything but a mac, and/or too young to have seen anything else, and/or too insecure to do anything but the cool/shiney/fad but ultimately useless thing?

  90. Long time Macintosh user here. I switched from Amiga. I bought my last piece of Apple hardware in 2007. It was an 8-core Mac Pro. So far, Apple has done everything they can to make the hardware obsolete. I’m sorry, but a machine with 8 3.0GHz Xeon cores is not obsolete. Fuck Apple right in their stupid asses. I wouldn’t even buy an iPod.

    One tiny detail though. It seems like the author of this article (and many of the commentators) do not understand UNIX kernels. OSX is built on a Mach microkernel, which splits off tasks into as many subthreads as possible running in userspace. Linux is a monolithic kernel, which is basically one big executable that runs in kernelspace. It’s a technical difference, but one that is significant. OSX and Linux have nothing in common except being POSIX compliant.

  91. Apple sucks cock

  92. I am proud to say I just save a person from buying an Ipad, it was easy ,I just showed them , The power cord from the Ipad I bought and a set of apple ear phones ,and I ask him with this cheap power cord and ear phones , How good can the Ipad be , then I told him about , Apple’s sorry customer service , and then I told him he would be much better off with a samsung . He agreed . And apple has lost a sale. And I will not stop until I drop dead , or until Apple replaces their cheap power cords with a descent one , and come up a descent set of ear phones that match the quality they claim their IPads are . And their customer service is real . And not as phony as the products they sell ! Have a nice day apple. Ernest Reichardt

  93. The guy showing his nipple is quite tacky , I hope in the future , it dose not come back to haunt him , It’s quite discussing but I am sure that is what you were trying to achieve , mission accomplished nipple boy , I would have said nipple man , but real men do not need shock value to be recognize ! Ernest Reichardt

  94. It took 9 months for me to finely to get an Apple ID changed , I followed the instructions to the letter, and it would even varafiy my account when I created it , but it still would not change , and customer service refused to help for my protection of corse ! But finely A customer service person walked me through it ,and come to find it was a glitch in their system that cause it to skip part of the info that it need and jumped strait to varafacation . And finely changed Sandman60@consolidated.com to sandman60@consolidated.net but this story gets even better, I am playing clash of clans and I can’t purchase gems to upgrade my base because the game was downloaded on another account . Apple’s customer service advise start over , erase the clash of clans that I have ,and down load it again , I inform them that I had money in the game ,I was playing and if I deleted it I would lose everything that I had worked 9 months to build not to mention the money I have in the game. Apple responce was were sorry sir that is all we can do, I had the same problem with an , android ipad I bought from my , Heartland catalog for 60 dollars and Google said no problem and fixed it just like that, That tells me I should never have purchase an apple , but I was lied to , I was told that Apple was the best , all apple has shown me is a stiff neck , I already purchased the Ipad they don’t have to give a damn, and they do not ! Anyone want to buy my Ipad to me it may as we’ll be a maxi pad ! Ernest Reichardt

  95. I purchase a Mac because I wanted a good computer , what I got was a curse , I can’t make any purchases because my email is wrong , I have had this ipad for 6 months and ,customer service refuse to help because , they say it for my own protection my email address that they are using is sandman60@consolidated.com it is suppose to be sandman60@ consolidated.net , I have created new accounts 15 times and it still uses sandman60@consolidated.com . I have explanaed it to customer service and they tell me they can’t fix it for my protection , I am screwed because I wanted a good computer and I heard apple was the best ,they are the best at wiping their asses with their customers , I hate , hate but I hate apple , and they could care less they already sold me an ipad for 800 dollars , if there is ever anything I can do to make apple suffer let me know . Ernest Reichardt

  96. I hate mac specifically because of the limited software. At least with windows you get a lot of little tweaks which you could mostly get free and actually work fine. And to those who are claiming it isnt meant for gaming, in this time and age, every device with a gfx should be capable of gaming (eg any smartphone with a gfx). Thats rigidity

  97. I have been trying to master an iMac 27″ (cost around $2000+) for about a year now. The beast still fighting back. Cannot get iMovie to work properly. Watching streaming movies from my WD TV box was also a pain as keeps freezing every so many minutes. By the way my iMac is a 16GB RAM, i5 CPU running at 2.9GHz, 1TB H/D. I just bought a humble AUS$600, Medion Aldi desktop with windows 8.1 64-bits, 3.1GHz MD AMD Readeon 10 compute cores (4+6)CPU, 8GB Memory and which never freezes while streaming down a movie from the same box. My local network is Ethernet cable connected… my HP Pavilion windows 7 LapTop, runs everything fine, my old XP PRO Torrents machine is a dream for what it does. All my machines see perfectly each other allowing exchange of files flawlessly in the local network. The iMac, however, is always having access security problems and refusing to do things. I have done quite a bit of tweaking to it but still no joy. I understand that the machine is well designed, according to reviews, but myself I cannot make it happen. The underlying Unix system is a proven system… Guess I need another year of trying… The iMac command line is extremely cryptic on its commands and I need to refer myself to a commands printout because the key combinations are really hard to remember. In my humble opinion the windows machines are a lot easier to use.

  98. Macs freeze, absolutely agree. My ex-MacBook and ex-iPhones were freezing so bad, that I had to do hard resets, connect iPhones to iTunes to switch them on, etc, etc. Please, don’t believe when you are told that Mac products are very stable.

  99. Ooohhhh I love to see all the comments.
    In fact, I didn’t read the article I’m just getting fun reading all the stuff people wrote.

    This is like watching a match in a Roman coliseum :-D

  100. Whoever wrote this is an idiot:

    1. The only business model for Apple is narcissim.
    Apple is reeeeeealy easy to use.

    2. Macs are ridiculously overpriced.
    There’s a reason for that. The quality, design and hardware is high-tech.

    3. Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends.
    No they don’t.

    4. Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux.
    Apple is PC and Linux combined in some way! Which makes it really good!

    5. There is no f*cking right-click!
    DUH! GO INTO SYSTEM PREFERENCES/MOUSE AND FIDDLE WITH THE CONTROLS! OR PRESS CTRL + LEFT CLICK

    6. The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded.
    a. Look into calender.
    b. Uh, says who?
    c. Press Command + Q
    d. uh, you still can go between other applications
    e. True. Plus, who needs 100 photos anyways? View them one at a time.
    f. DRAG STUFF FROM FINDER!!!

    7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.)
    NO IT DOES NOT! THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME!

    8. Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best.
    Like PC, you have to buy a licence.

    9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs.
    Mac is not a gaming computer. Simple as that.

    10. Macs are not flexible or customizable.
    Uh… OF COURSE THEY ARE.

    Unless your using an old mac, this won’t work. If the new one’s still have the same problem, you are not using the Mac properly.

  101. If it doesn’t work then look in MOUSE or TRACKPAD in the system preferences.

  102. You CAN right click…click with 2 fingers. Do ANY of you people know this stuff!!!???? In fact i’m commenting using one

  103. Seriously mac can attract viruses????? You know better??? Look i have been using mac for 5 years and i never had any problems!!! Every works perfectly and everything is simple and easy and safe of course and doesnt need you to dounload screen recorders adivirus and stuff like that! So no Macs are much better than windows!!!!!!!

  104. Supprisingly you are right about of the things, BUT……..

    Mac is overpriced because of the operating system, and the finish. Nobody can say that it is a bad design, cause it ain’t. At least it insn’t the cosmetic. And that about gaming: IT IS NOT MEANT FOR GAMING!! It is the same as take like a packard bell netbook. That is also not a gaming pc LIKE THE MAC!

    I am also using PC, but if it didn’t was that overpriced, I would use mac as daily computer, and PC ONLY for gaming :)

    – Liam.

  105. You just hit the bulls eye man. I’d rather spend $2500 on a windows laptops and get a laptop with amazing specs and fantastic buil quality than spend it on this mac junk.

  106. Why do people hate macs? people can have their own opinion about computers, but this opinion is not one that a normal person would recommend

  107. i think everthing has its own pros & cons

    but with mac, i see a lot of cons with it compare to windows & linux: mac is too expensive & many hardwares arent compatible with it

  108. NOT TRUE! Jk, yes it yes. Macs suck, lmao.

  109. I agree, mac is ridicilously expensive, and there is no way a computer can be that expensive.

  110. AGREED!

  111. The only people who have the above problems with Mac lack the kniwledge of how to use it properly and should do some research. With the right knowledge Mac is totally costumizable
    . The right click actually has plenty of options. I can easily drag and transfer files as well. Most of the time macbooks do last longer than your standard PC before they stop working. There are plenty of options for software and if one particular program doesn’t come with a specific Mac download it can easily be flipped by programs like flipformac. They even run automatically with out an extra step . $5 converters can easily be used to connect any type of media to your laptop. The speed of my Mac is amazing and it can easily multitask.I have no problem closing programs either.

  112. Oh my, someone said it, finally. I owned iPhone 3, 4, iPod and a MacBook. For those who love to say – you have no money to buy a Mac/you never tried a Mac, etc, etc (favorite Mac Fanboys words). And now I’m happy that I sold all this crap. Mac products are overhyped, overpriced and overrated (by someone). Now I’m using 3 Windows 8.1. gadgets (including WinPhone 8.1.) and I can say that PCs are much better than any other shitty overrated trash. BTW, I was using Ubuntu (about a year) and it’s really great OS but a LITTLE bit complicated for me. But still cool in the same time.

  113. Good article.
    I repair PCs and I’m often asked to repair Macs. I totally refuse to do so because I don’t wish to deal with money-grabbing Apple in any way, or buy Apple spares etc from Apple or their restricted outlets. Unlike Macs, PCs are easy to repair because they accept a wide range of both hardware and software without restrictions.

  114. I was playing with OS X Maverick for a while, and was stunned by the complete lack of what I could do without rushing over to the Apple Store. Which, is actually a useless gesture. LOL!

    I should note that I have been running Linux for well over a decade, and as the Author correctly states, the Mac OS X is just a dumbed down version of Linux. And, a Linux Operating System is free, as well as, the 35,000+ applications. Jump on the Internet, and download, UBUNTU, Linux Mint, or another flavor, of Linux. Google started a flavor of Linux, and you know it as Android, or Chrome.

    I broke into that Walled Garden, and trust me that Apple is not just that sweet!

  115. Macs are meant for creating things, they are designed to design. They are the leaders in this. I”m a gamer so ya I gonna really need a mac someday.

    Sarcasm at it’s peek.

  116. It’s not true that MAC is prone to get viruses, thanks to MAC’s Unix concept. I agree with everything else though. MAC is pieceof overpriced, useless shit. Why anyone would want to pay such high prices for closed-options-linux “distro”? Nonsence.

  117. 1. MAC-OSX kernel’s Darwin is derived mainly on BSD and MAC with some Apple code and all the system programs and tools are taken from freeBSD.

  118. Lg Ipod broke -2 yrs. Ipod shuffle screen dead -18 months. Macbook case cracked all over, bottom delaminated in 26 months. (And it never leaves the house). Apple makes crap. My non-mac products lasted for years. NO MORE APPLE PRODUCTS>

  119. To the ignorant dumbass that said windows copied mac, please try to make other people believe retarded things. Obviously the people on this article are going to have some to a lot of knowledge on computer history. Also who ever told you that needs to do a bit of research on hopefully a linux os or windows

  120. and it felt so good getting that out of me

    :p

  121. just read this today. I am a windows user, and I have tried mac before, but just can’t get use to it.

  122. I have one of the last Macs which were worth buying IMO. It is a PowerMac G5 dual-CPU system. I got it on ebay for like $200. Mainly I just wanted it so I could have a PowerPC architecture system.

    My main computer is a few years old… specs:

    ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 X58 motherboard
    Intel Core i7 920 CPU (overclocked to 3.6 GHz)
    12 GB 1333 MHz triple channel DDR3 RAM
    ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2 GB GDDR5
    1 TB 7200 RPM HDD
    Microsoft Windows 8 Pro x64

    then my laptop:
    Intel Core i7 740QM (1.73 GHz, turbo to 2.93 GHz)
    8 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
    ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 1 GB
    500 GB 7200 RPM HDD
    1920×1080 multi-touch touchscreen 15.6 inch
    Microsoft Windows 8 Pro x64, and Kubuntu Linux x64 dual-boot

    Overall I like Windows 8, a lot. It boots fast, and for me its easy to use and reliable. Also Windows has very nice diagnostic tools like SFC for any issues which may arise.

  123. I could never find an article that spells out everything that is wrong with mac os x, but there’s one thing missing, wtf is with the lack of continuity with the software freeware or otherwise? it seems people have to buy the latest machines along with the latest operating system….wtf!!

  124. Macs are pretty the way cough syrup is sweet. Macs and cough syrup both use an artificial coating of candy designed to obscure whatever the thing is actually doing.

    The other difference between a Mac and a PC is that the makers of Macs are arrogant, and the makers of PCs are humble.

    The makers of PCs say, “We know we don’t know what you’re going to do with our product, so we’re going to make it as easy as possible for you to see how it works and modify it to suit your needs. ‘Minimalist’ is not a logical approach; computers are complicated, and to pretend otherwise would only ensure that our users haven’t even the foggiest notion of what is actually going on in their computer. Better to make the complications accessible to our users.”

    The makers of Macs say, “We know exactly what you’re going to do with our product, so we’re going to make it as easy as possible for you to do exactly what we know you’re going to do. ‘Minimalist’ is a logical approach; users want simplicity, and to pretend otherwise would only ensure that our users haven’t even the foggiest notion of what is actually going on in their computer. Better to hide the complications to avoid confusing our users.”

    Mac limits possibility for their users to improve “aesthetics” and avoid “confusion;” PC opens possibilities for their users, to avoid limiting them by an arbitrary sense of aesthetics. The fact that I can go into a Windows computer and change the computer to make it do what I want… this is more aesthetically pleasing than a dozen bouncing toolbar logos ever will be.

    Also, the fact that the menu bar is at the top of the screen for all programs is f***ing annoying. On double screen computers like mine, it forces me to move the mouse all the way to the other screen every time I want to get to history or bookmarks. Not well-thought, Apple.

  125. Yo don choma, the i7 isn’t a gpu. And the i73930k isn’t two years old, good job. Furthermore it’s Xeon, if you actually build comps for a living you’d know that. Apple has a contract with intel, they get the latest CPUs before PC manufacturers, so you’re wrong yet again. Also, intel doesn’t make discrete GPUs.

    I’m rolling in laughter at the guy who said he’s a ‘computer scientist’ yeah buddy, sure. I know people with PhDs in CS, No one ranks Windows above OS X in terms of being strictly an operating system.

  126. I build comps for a living.Apple chips and gpus are dinosaurs when it comes to the best pc builds.They use two year old duel zeon chips and gpus that don’t even come close to the i7 3930k which is two years old.The video cards are so out dated its not even worth talking about.Apple fan people get a life and really wake up to whats happening in the comp. world.Pro 8 works great if you have a clue what you are doing with a comp.DON.

  127. “8. Hey, Macs are PCs
    By which I mean that Leopard’s Boot Camp feature – and better yet the Parallels Desktop and VMware Fusion virtualisation utilities – let you run Windows, and Windows applications, on a Mac.
    I’m listing this last because I ultimately see running Windows on a Mac as a last resort: it’s usually not necessary, and it degrades some of the other virtues of the Mac, such as protection from Windows security risks. But when it’s valuable, it’s really valuable.”

    This isn’t a limitation of PC’s, it’s a limitation artificially imposed by Apple. If you like you can use “illegal hacks” to run OSX on pc hardware. Google “hackintosh”. But if you try to run OSX on a PC alongside windows or in VMWare, beware, there are a very limited selection of hardware that OSX will run with because Apple doesn’t supply drivers. Again, a limitation of OSX and not Windows or the PC hardware.

    Not being able to “legally”, by OSX license limitations, run OSX on a PC is a limitation imposed by Apple, not in any way by the PC.

    I’ve done it. I had to recover data off an apple hard drive and could find no data recovery software that would work as well as HDD Regenerator, which has patented recovery technologies in it. After using HDD Regenerator on my PC on the mac sata drive, I think imaged it into a drive image using third party recovery software that would retry data reads as many times as I wanted on bad blocks. Then I took a copy of the image, and ran it under a hacked up vmware virtual machine with OSX compatible virtual hardware. I then repaired the OSX and got everything running. Then I wrote the whole image back to a good hard drive and stuck it back into the mac and got it all working well.

    There’s no way I could have done all that with just a mac.

  128. I am a programmer. I’m not any kind of “wanna-be”. I have a Macbook Pro (my cousin works for Apple so I get 25% off. I plan on building a god box when I save up the money, but It will still be a ‘hackintosh’.). It runs Mac 10.8.4, Fedora Linux, and Windows 7. I use Windows when I want to create an application for Windows. I use OS X when I want to make an iOS app, Mac app (Xcode), do any kind of web development (Sublime Text), create music (Logic Pro), or do any kind of design work (this says something about some of your arguments referring to poor Mac software / UX). I use Linux for everything else (including gaming). I wouldn’t mind using OS X for everything else (except gaming), but I enjoy the command line and being able to completely customize EVERYTHING that I want to inside of the operating system. With that said, it isn’t that hard to get a pretty sweet looking OS X desktop with a lot of custom functionality. Plus, OS X is compatible with iOS devices. Which can all be jailbroken and COMPLETELY customized to do anything that isn’t restricted by hardware limitations. Even the most avid Windows followers will admit that the Zune sucks ass and that they prefer iPods.

    With all of that said — to each their own, and those of us who care enough to find the best devices and OS’s for our own personal needs will find much more success and happiness with our technology than the people who just follow a crowd / don’t care.

    Cheers!

  129. I’m a computer scientist. Computers are my life. The break down on computers from best to worst is Linux -> Windows -> Mac. Linux is the absolute best for obvious reasons, you can make the environment to be exactly what you want it to be. Windows is next because it has a great amount of customization with the necessary backbone for any beginning user. Windows gets flack because it crashed back in 95-98. Whoop de fuckin do. Frankly, the only windows users who have problems with windows are the ones too stupid to use a proper computer. We call these people iSheep usually. Mac, is basically an internment camp for computing. You have this hardware and this software. If you don’t like it, then you shouldn’t have bought it. Tough titties. Windows will let you switch out hardware as YOU want, and made edits to software as YOU want. Linux…well linux is perfect. whatever hardware and software you want so long as it has drivers. It’s the penultimate. Macs are for people who can’t/won’t use a proper computer, and who want to go on facebook and act like they’re the best thing to crawl out of an orifice.

  130. Gentlemen, calm the fu** down! What is true, is that Macs AND PCs are both good, but:

    -> A Mac is good for music, facebook and all that
    -> A PC is good for games, work and multitasking

    Plus, when you buy a Mac, you get a slow piece of hardware at a giant price.
    When you buy a PC, you get a fast computer for less money.

    A 1500$ Mac is good enough. A 1500$ Windows/Linux PC is pretty much perfect.
    So, there’s no need to whine and all that sh**. It’s just that Macs are for kids, little girls etc. and PCs are for gamers, professionals or kids who don’t look for a nice looking computer BUT for a high-end computer.

  131. Yeah, so I support PC. I got a new Windows 7 and it runs amazingly. My MacBook Pro, is shi*t. It runs too slow, I haven’t downloaded anything weird or gone on any weird sites, but it still makes me want to blow my brains out. The Mac business model is to appeal to people who have to have the latest technology. That’s why Macs have looks, but next to none computing power. It’s the same with all Apple products, IPhone, better to get an HTC, IPad, get a Samsung or Windows, MacBook, get anything else. What I can say about Macs and Apple products is that they are durable. When my IPad started to act like sh*t, I attempted to punch a hole through the screen, I tried over 20 times. My old IPhone wouldn’t do anything right so I hit it repeatedly, eventually I threw it in my filled bathtub. I threw my ‘Macbook on the floor multiple times until there was a gash/crack down the middle, took many attempts. So if you want to go see a psychiatrist for anger management, get a Mac.

  132. what r u talking about!!!! mac comes out earlier than windows. even windows is better but still got idea from mac. So shut the hell up and go home

  133. So Right!!!

    Mac SUCKS!

  134. I wouldn’t say I avoid apple crap like the plague. And according to Toshiba’s manuals, if you attempt to repair it yourself, legal repercussions could result. That’s about a likely as being struck by lightning, but the fact that Toshiba doesn’t want me repairing my own computer pisses me off. Anyway, modern PCs aren’t worth repairing, most of the hardware is soldered to the board. I’m currently a CompSci major and I’m more than happy with my MacBook Pro. I love the trackpad, the casing and the way OS X works. To buy a comparable PC (as I outlined above) would be almost as much as a Mac. The marginal benefit vs marginal cost really depends on what you get out of it.

  135. Qwerty
    “If you add up all the crap money you put into a PC, including headaches and repair bills, you’d be more wise to spend it on a mac”

    What headaches? What repair bills? I have never spent a single dime on a repair bill. I just pop open the case and fix it myself. It is kind of like a classic ford. You CAN do all of the repairs yourself (if you know how to use a computer at least).

    Apples are great for people that don’t know how to use a computer. The rest of us avoid apple crap like the plague.

  136. Hey shut the fuck up about the right click on macs, on older models you hold down ctrl + click, on the new Macs you click can put two finger on the trackpad and click. Most of the stuff you said isn’t true, why don’t you buy a new MacBook Pro and find out for yourself just how wrong you are. Also if you don’t like the dock you can hide it. I admit that Macs are overpriced but still, I think you should actually use a Mac before you put them down with a bunch of stuff that isn’t true. Also Macs are almost virus free, so shut up about the virus crap bitch.

  137. A mac is better then a averange pc
    but wait:
    mac 1500
    pc 400
    Buy a 1500 dollar pc and see how good it is.

  138. Sigma- so these are reasons that you WANT a virus written for OS X? And no, the OS doesn’t have more vulnerabilities than windows, it’s true that viruses can be written for it, and have; such as the flashback virus from 2011. But really, come on now. And yes, the phrase “a fool and his money will soon part” is quite true. But really, I couldn’t tell you how my car security or home locks work. It doesn’t mean that someone should break into my home.

    Worm; be comprehensible and then maybe you’ll be taken seriously.

  139. hate when ios users spout out rubbish like ios apps are more polished than their android counterpart.
    i submit apple map – did they not even test-drive that crap other than driving around their 1 infinite loop street before releasing it to paying customer. guess, you will be funding its ongoing development for a atleast a couple of future ipad revisions. personally, i like to pay for a finished product. google map is much, much better. freedom, choice, price is what android stands for.

  140. hate it when ios users says ipad apps are more polished than their counterpart on android.
    i submit apple map. seriously, did they not even test-drive it other locations other than driving around their 1 infinte loop street. google map is MUCH MUCH more polished than their ipad counterpart. be thankful, google still provides their map app after being dump by apple. personally, i think google should remove all their apps of apple since they denounce it officialy.

  141. they spout about quality apps on ios – android apps feel not as polished. i submit apple map. why arent the bugs caught at testing phase before they release this miserable shit on public paying customers. at least windows 8 were officialy public tested as consumer preview for a year before the final release. had apple allow such testing, maybe the map wont be release in such premature stage.

  142. Top 10 Reasons Why a Virus Should be Written for OSX:

    1 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    2 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    3 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    4 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    5 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    6 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    7 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    8 . Most of its users don’t have a clue on basic computer security.
    9 . The OS have a lot of vulnerabilities.
    10. The users are rich enough to be parted from their money.

    there was a phrase: “the stupid and their money will be parted soon enough”

    I used Win, OSX and Linux.

    @RealityCheck
    They are really smart people who are stupid when it comes to computers.

  143. Obvious troll is obvious. And just to feed it, I definitely upgraded the RAM on my MacBook Pro to 16GB.

  144. you can not upgrade your ram. you only get about 3 gb of ram

  145. Nick, nick, nick. OS X is NOT unix, it’s built on the Darwin kernel, yes it was developed from Unix, so what? It’s a solid OS. Who cares? Yes, Macs take care of the details for you, why is that a bad thing to you? Not everyone wants to build their own computer. How am I a contradiction, and what do you mean by dogma? I would say that you have a false dogma because you have shut out an entire portion of the computer industry. I have yet to contradict myself and I have an open mind. YOU have contradicted yourself entirely however. I acknowledge that comp building has become solely a hobby, one that I love. I do not however, care to push my opinions onto others. It’s their money, I bought a MacBook Pro myself, and I use it far more than my homebrew PC. Value, by an economic standard is based upon the utility that one gains from a purchase. You have arbitrarily attributed it to the relative price of a PC. This would require Macs and PCs to be perfect substitutes, but they aren’t. Macs are already more expensive than most PCs and yet people purchase them. Apple has a relatively inelastic demand curve with their products where others dont because in the PC market there ARE substitutes.

  146. Macs, for the most part appeal to a very specific type of user. Unable or unwilling to figure out what they actually need, they allow someone else to do it for them, in this case Apple. When you buy a Mac, what did you get for your money?You bought an overpriced computer built by a PC manufacturer using PC parts with a different but pretty logo on it. You bought an OS (operating system) developed from the Unix OS developed by Bell labs in 1969. (and you thought they invented it…lol) and seen today in other uses as Android and Linux. In 1996 Steve Jobs “acquired” BSD Unix and locked it down now calling it OS X. As recently as March of this year, Apple licensed (bought) the Unix printing system to incorporate in their “original” OS. You bought an Intel chip exactly like the Intel chip in everyone else’s computer, with” Intel Inside”. Its all Image now my friend. You know it your heart that you felt the same way about windows users in the past,now your stuck defending useless fanboys who are clueless. Stick with your false dogma . Your nothing but a walking talking contradiction

  147. As far as windows 8 goes astrix; everything. As far as XP goes, also pretty much everything. As for 7, well jump lists are great (a Win feature). I can get free open source progs to give me windows snap and aero peek. The dock is very intuitive and the drop down menus are pretty spot on. Gestures are fantastic on a mac, swipe up for mission control, swipe left or right for multiple desktops, swipe down for expose, swipe for notifications, hot corners (which win also has if im not mistaken). The system preferences are far better than the control panel in my opinion, and Macs don’t need a retina display for crisp fonts. They’ve always had them. Win 7 is great, I love it, but personally I find Macs to be a bit more, fluid.

    Again, people often say “mac users are dumb” blah blah blah. But it’s really only people who are well versed in computers who say these things. At university, my economics professor had a PhD from Princeton University, one of my business profs had his from Yale. Both of them used macs and both weren’t very good with any sort of technology. I wouldn’t call them dumb.

  148. I have been looking for a new laptop. My current one is a (HP) Compaq Presario, bought in 2003.
    Still running strong on WinXP, I upgraded the Disk and RAM midway.
    I can tell about this model – the exterior build quality was not good. But the computer was damn fine. So before you make arguments about Mac’s build quality, note that exterior and interior are two different things. Mac’s do have better exterior quality, all five of them. Interiors – they are all the same – if you know what you are buying.

    The hottest new item in the Mac world is the Retina display, so I wanted to check it out. Crisp fonts and lovely screen. But wait!
    Crisp fonts yes, but Windows always have had crisp fonts. It’s only Mac’s fonts which need Retina. Don’t give me the true-to-design argument. I don’t want it to be fuzzy on my monitor. If Mac users have gotten used to it, good for them. I will not settle for less.

    Don’t even get me started on Finder. Explorer beats it any day. Explorere is what is Simple and Intuitive. Mac’s philosophy is ‘Machine knows better than you’. In other words – users are dumb. Well, dumb users will like Mac more than Windows. Beacuse they do nothing more than open safari.

    Mac is “intuitive”. Really! Name ONE function which more “intuitive” in Mac than in Windows.

    Windows beats Mac just on the software choices alone. For one $30 Mac package, there will be at least 10 Windows programs, 5 of the free/open source.

    Apple made great products in iPad and iPhone. Their hardware is nice, exterior build is top notch. But OS is a letdown. Preciesly why bootcamp was needed.

  149. So Nick, you’re implying that if you don’t have extensive computer knowledge then you’re an idiot? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve every heard in my entire life. Tell me, what other fields do you have expertise in? My major in university was comp sci, but just because someone isn’t an expert in computers doesnt make them “an idiot” as everyone on here claims. I’m a huge fan of classic literature, but just because someone doesn’t know Lewis Carroll or William Faulkner they’re not an idiot. My neighbor does carpentry, does it make me an idiot if I can’t operate a lathe? Don’t be a dolt. Apple has exploited a market niche, simple user interface. Michael Porter (don’t know him? Youre an idiot! See how that sounds?) of the Harvard Business school says that exploiting a unique niche; i.e. is what drives innovation. Don’t be buttsore because we have variety.

  150. Wow I see it totally different.

    If you have a brain you use
    1)Linux computers

    If you have half a brain you use
    2)Windows computers

    And if your a total mindless idiot with no computer knowledge or skills you use
    3) suck ass APPLE COMPUTERS

  151. Also, Steve, you’re a moron for implying that you HAVE to buy songs from iTunes in order to use an iPod. The thing with a Zune is, sure the service is cheaper, but at the end of the day you still dont have as many applications or accessories to use with it. With an iPod I can choose from a vast variety of apps and accessories and buy my songs from a CD shop, Napster or any other music service and subsequently import them into iTunes with zero problems. I’ve been doing it for years. You and Rawr! really shouldnt make up your own arguments only to ‘defeat’ them. Try to be partially objective.

  152. Right right right, the commenters are clearly a bunch of idiots. As is the OP. Here is what a Mac is meant to be, a well-designed, easy to use and stable computer. Check, check and check. I don’t see why people whine about them not having upgradeable parts (aside from the RAM and HDD/SSD ((non-retina models)). Unless you’re willing to shill out tons of money it really isnt feasible to upgrade a PC either. Sure, you can build a custom model but then it’s on you if something goes wrong. This is fine for a hobbyist, but for a productivity tool it’s not practical. Macs are more than powerful enough for what they’re used for. If you want to play games, that’s cool, buy a PC. I dont see how you wanting to play games means that Macs suck, someone hasnt taken a critical thinking course. You know, I guess having the highest customer satisfaction rating and a consistent spot in the top 3 on CNET and other tech sites really doesn’t mean anything. I also don’t see how a consumer having more choices is such a terrible thing.

    Oh, and the “Macs are double what a PC costs” comments, total crap. Look at any COMPETING model, and dont say It has “…CPU, …GPU and …HDD” I want display quality (read, contrast ratio, color gamut, brightness and accuracy AND resolution, not just “OMG it’s res is higher than macs, macs suck lololol”), positive trackpad reviews, proper construction and other amenities such as battery indicators, backlit keyboards and proper i/o <- this one is pretty much a non-issue now, but in some of the bang-for-buck PC's it can be. HP Envy laptops, high end Sammys, VAIOS, Alienwares and VIZIO laptops are all in the same price range for features, Macs are marginally more expensive.

    The average person doesnt give two shits about clock speeds and benchmarks. They want to use their computers for productivity, and they want it to be easy to navigate. That's what a Mac is and that's why people buy them. So what if they're a bit more expensive? It's not your money. Get over yourselves, sounds like you're a bunch of pessimistic whiners to me.

  153. i am addicted to computer games which is why i bought a gamecube for me and my brother,,

  154. Okay. There’s something I hate….
    It can stuck a lot of memory and documents, but SHIT! it keeps everything I did like months ago and even what I did yesterday, but not what I did 2 fucking days ago!!! Are you serious?!

    -_______-

    I hate that! And my work has disappear :(

    For the dock and the date… yes you can change the settings…

  155. I use both pc and a mac. I need to use a mac for audio-ing not just browsing the web. If people want to use a laptop just for browsing the web, get a netbook.

  156. I like steaks…I figured my comment would be as useful as this article…

  157. if you’ve got that much money to spend on a computer setup, then why would you spend it on mac crap? you could have had such a good proper computer setup for that money.

    And besides when it comes in Windows you DONT have to buy extra stuff.

  158. Do you want a shitty mac with that shitty beef? Idiot mac users… I cant stand them.

  159. I totally agree with this article. A rich boys toy all the way or just another way to think your cool and know something others don’t. Mac users are pure idiots for wanting such a shitty machine. Shitty chicken = Shitty mac

  160. You’ve got to much time on your hands to prove (or try to prove) why one computer, a tangible item is better than another.

    GET A LIFE.

  161. This is my experience:
    Using MBP for 3 year now: reboot every week as MBP slows to a crawl in about 5-6 days.
    Using Windows for 8 years, now on windows 7: reboot every month to keep machine fast.
    Using Linux for 5 years (Mint 11 now, haven’t had time or the need to upgrade yet): rock solid for months.

    Mac OS is a poor fork of Linux. Yes, the hardware looks great but the OS is just not up to par.

  162. Hmm…

    Honestly, I would have to say that both MacOS and Windows annoy me equally in
    different ways :) I think they have their places though, I run most of my games
    in Windows (unless it runs fine in wine on linux), and tend to use Mac for sound
    (well used to), and imaging. Don’t do music and imaging anymore so not sure if
    that’s still a valid foothold for mac. Kind of miss the option of slapping AIX on
    an old Mac since they went pc :)

  163. To the man above me. If you want a “dumb games machine” buy a fucking iPad? Are you fucking rediculouse A FUCKING IPADD!!!!!????? Are you that fucking ignorant of the gaming world you twat. Your comment makes me so fucking angry. Honestly!!!!!! If you want a gaming pc, build one. Apple overprices products to the point of madness. If you want to be a dumb cultish count and be part of the apple crowd be my guest, smart people would avoid apple entirely.

  164. To each point:

    1. No argument

    2. Half-true. A comparable PC laptop with the same specs is $1300. Your throwing in $599 for the same hardware components is not true. But you’re not entirely wrong, either – Macs do cost more… and the myths are that Apple controls the entire process (not when the OS is taken from open source) and for higher quality (or the claim of; iFixit, my2011macbookpro.com, and others would disagree with “quality”…)

    3. Back in the 1990s, none of the competitors had standards (except for all but IBM and its clones using then-superior Motorola CPUs…)… FireWire’s transfer rate cremates USB 2.0… USB 3.0, OTOH…

    4. True. It’s also the only one Adobe and other major software creator players will ever support.

    5. YES THERE IS A RIGHT-F*CKING CLICK. My mice I have for my Macs are two-button. Three-button. In the System Preferences/Mouse, the one-button mouse can be made to simulate a right-click, but I hate Apple’s branded mice…

    6. My clock displays a date. If you went into System Preferences and followed through, you’d see where to change it. My X button works as well… not sure which program you’re referring to. ALT-TAB works fine, unless you’re sifting through a dozen browser pages. There are other keystroke combos… try a few… etc, etc, etc…

    7. As a Mac owner, I’ve had problems… just not as many as traditional Windows PCs… MacOS also lacks a !*@&#^%ing registry…

    8. Walled garden

    9. I use my Macs for productivity. If you want dumb game machines, go Windows or iPad.

    10. Do you know what “Terminal” is? Apple hides the means to use the CLI, but one can get there and one can use CLI functions…

    All of this was true in 2009, and still was… was this blog copy’n’pasted from an older one written in 1994?

  165. Hey there! I know this is kinda off topic but I’d figured I’d ask. Would you be interested in trading links or maybe guest authoring a blog article or vice-versa? My site covers a lot of the same topics as yours and I think we could greatly benefit from each other. If you might be interested feel free to shoot me an email. I look forward to hearing from you! Awesome blog by the way!

  166. Okay, everything said about Mac is true, there’s lots of replies from people who don’t understand computers. Understand this: I run Win7 on my Mac Book pro. Nova bench for my MacBookPro running OSX is 325. Nova bench for my MacBookPro running Win7 is 375. Macs OS even runs their own computers less efficiently. Macs are toys- expensive toys. I have Jail-broken about 8 Ipads now, and I am sure the next gen of $400 buck tablets are going to cream the $800 Ipad. Mac supporters: have fun, but Apple even rips off their shareholders. Their day is coming.

  167. Freddie, Linux4Win haha. Anyways. My Linux distro of preference is Ubuntu but I’ve been trying Pear Linux 5 and I must say I like it. Want a Mac look alike there you go. I’d agree. I find Linux way better than Mac.

  168. Okay all of you guys are trolling like shit not kidding. Okay here’s a simple fact. Pc is 1000 times better than Mac. Now this not a opinion but a well known fact. Mac recently came into to power. Their computer were shitty back then. The only thing Mac has against Pc is stability but I hats Mac when the loading rainbow cursors comes out. Pc for one somewhat lacks in speed but they all can be fixed with upgrade Mac actually doesn’t have such things as pc which is a up for Pc. Mac computers in look and Colorado pies me off on the spot like deadass that shit is not innovation. Its just a rock with an apple on its back making the price 1500$+. I love their iphone and ipods though but they should just stop making computers as of 2012 still 70% own Pc. Some people are arrogant to deny the fact. You obviously never used a Pc in your life.

  169. You hit the nail on the head,but wait I’m using a Mac as I type this. Oh yeah I forgot to say I wiped that shit Mac OS off of it and installed Linux on it instead . Linux is everything Mac wishes it could be. Imagine Apple saying straight out that it has no Viruses . Linux screams that out load and Proud. Apple never invented anything ,but the dopes that use them think they invented it. Apple steals everything. I love when my friends come over to use my Mac pro >>>I mean my linux computer and they say what is this . Then the smart ones want me to show them out to toss Mac OS out and the dumbs ones just stare into space and say wow I like this . Apple is the most Psy/op company ever to exist, and I am a proud Linux User now for 4 years and will never go back to Mac. P.S. I still use Windows . My son has Windows 7 ,and I must admit it works great.

  170. Good point ^. Anyway I think the most “liberty” would be achieved with Linux. I must admit however that it definitely isn’t a gamers dream.

  171. (the last message was from me)
    yeah and sorry about all the typos and my shitty english. I’m sure you got the point.

  172. First of all, buing a mac doesn’t make you some kind of person. Many people are victims of overrated products that cost too much. For example, Dr. Dre Audio Beats. Mac is over priced, overrated, though I like the build quality of macbook pro. I prefer PC. Not because I hate apple, not because I love PC because it’s well adjustable, customisable. And I hate the finder in mac. I don’t find it easy to use at all. I’ve used mac, so I’m not the ones who hate it just because they don’t know mac. I was 2 years in a media school and all we used was 27″ brand new iMacs. My father has macbook pro 15″. It’s good but not good for me. I like gaming. I like that I can adjust and customize my PC however I want. You can’t do that with mac. I feel like mac limits me. You can get twice, if not 3 times better 17″ PC with the money that 1 17″ macbook pro costs. Or the 15″ retina. I prefer PC, some people mac. I think mac isn’t worth it, some people do. No big deal. I don’t get what is this war about. It’s like fighting over a music genres. Or what ice cream tastes the best. C’mon. As I said, some people like mac, some people don’t like mac. I don’t. But I’m okay with that some people do. Some people don’t like computers at all.

  173. Once I looked into it a bit more, most of my reasons were a bit off. I recently spoke with a representative and the text could be resized. Launchpad has “folders” which act as categories and another look at it left me with the impression that it needed no “categories” because it was pretty easy to navigate. I was using the mouse improperly. After looking at the touchpad and its features I have to say it’s great. The quality of it’s products once looked into does justify the price. The mac products are made of aluminum and glass. The innovations are unmatched and the OS is pretty solid. It was all a misrepresentation and misunderstanding. But hey, what do you expect from a “one time” try. I’m still at odds. Windows 8 looks good and I’ve always had a soft spot for Linux (Ubuntu). It’s a beautiful OS and it’s free. I can use crossover for Office so that no hurdle but even then I get Libreoffice free. The only advantage that OSX has is the quality of both the hardware and software. So I’m still deciding between the two. I happen to like the dock. I misrepresented finder. Turns out someone messed with the options. Now looking at the original layout it’s very similar to Linux’s layout. By the way, as I’m looking at these comments the reasons people hate apple are becoming apparent. They range from “I can’t afford it,” to “it’s too expensive.” Had you the money wouldn’t you be tempted to get one?

  174. – Mac’s softwares are sucks generally, especially the finder and dock. can’t do A LOT of thing that can be done in Windows.
    – Dual monitor full screen fiasco on osx lion.
    – Dual monitor only one menu bar, can’t work on second screen without moving your head every time.
    – Annoying fanboys. Explaining you can do things in mac in a lame way and feel smart about it.
    – Steve Job is dead.

  175. I’m a college student in search for a productive and performable laptop. I recently looked into buying a Mac but couldn’t help but notice the vast differences when it comes to price and specs. I could list a few PCs that have better specs than a mac on newer hardware for cheaper. This however didn’t hold me back from actually trying one out. I went to the Apple store and played with OSX for a while. All and all I was kind of disappointed. This however can change.
    1) Touch-pad and mouse- The touch-pad was quite difficult to use for a first time user. On a regular touch pad one only needs to move his finger and tap to click on something with the exception of the right click which is provided with the right click button. On the macbook I actually had to “press to click on something. On a regular PC I would usually move the cursor with one finger and tap with another finger on a separate hand for right click. On the macbook I actually had to “press down” with two fingers same hand to get a right click option. My personal preference found this to be awkward yet intriguing. This option was not available on an imac mouse “the regular one click not the pad” and it was a bit confusing for that option, not to mention the mouse was a bit heavy and clicking was a hassle. I liked some of the touch-pad features but overall it was a hassle. This could change with more experience. For a noob it isn’t as nearly as friendly as a PC mouse and touch-pad.
    2) OSX- Overall I thought the OS was a bit overpriced for the features it included.
    Launchpad was ok. I would have liked to see some divisions and categories to enhance the usability. It just looked like a bunch of applications scattered across the screen. How will a new user know which applications are for what? Reading a manual is helpful but with an OS that is targeted at ease of use this “confusion” was a bit disappointing. I myself wasn’t confused but for someone who’s an average user it could cause a bit of a headache.
    Applications- The productive applications could be a bit expensive. IWORK is a great office suit but for compatibility issues with Office 2010 it just isn’t worth the 60$. That is of course if I print them out on my own macbook or export the formats to pdf so that it may be viewable in its original format on a windows PC. Office 2011 is great but text size is a problem. At 100% zoom the text was tiny. I had to manually adjust the text to 125% to actually see comfortably while typing. This problem continued on for browsing in Safari.
    The default text was just too tiny. Why? I don’t know. If there is a way to change this please let me know and maybe then I’ll reconsider OSX. I thought the text size would improve if I resized the window. Resizing the window to full screen was problematic. I couldn’t. Full screen really means 1/3 of the screen and I would have to manually stretch the screen to cover the desktop. That in my opinion is baloney. That of itself didn’t improve the text size. I would have had to manually change the text size in Safari’s options but if I’m not mistaken it was grayed out. This was a hassle.
    Finder was a great innovation in the dock. I liked that I could access my applications at the ease of one click. But when I saw the “darkness” at the end of the tunnel I rejected it. See the problem arose when I noticed that I couldn’t view “all” of my documents without maximizing the screen. This is a turn-off for me because I’m used to seeing my documents folders without maximizing and can easily view my files without taking up the whole page. Not to mention that the layout in finder is quite cluttered when compared to windows explorer or nautilus in unity or gnome. Again if there is an option to fix this let me know. I could live with it.
    All in all I thought OSX was pretty plain. I could compare it to iOS but apps could change this so it really isn’t an argument. I like it’s stability and of course it’s a secure system though I heard it was the first to get hacked? It has fewer viruses. I put my trust in Linux for security so If I opt to getting a macbook I WILL get virus protection. I do it on Linux why not on OSX. I really don’t have problems with viruses on windows. I’m not an illiterate user. So yea. If you can address these issues the only thing you would have to convince me on is the price and specs. For now however I’m looking at Sony or Hp for my next laptop which blow macs specs and pricing.

  176. Howdy! I could have sworn I’ve been to this site before but after looking at some of the articles I realized it’s new to me. Nonetheless, I’m certainly pleased I found it and I’ll be bookmarking it and checking back regularly!

  177. selfish product
    selfish adapter
    selfish lifestyle
    selfish kids who pushes their grandparents to buy imac – when all grandparents want are internet, email and cannot comprehend that the savings can be used for a long due vacation.
    selfish company that wants to control everything.
    selfish company that patents everything obvious.

    why promote such bullsh*t, are we as people degenerating?

  178. hope people are not dumb enough to be suckered in buying used macs at high resale value.
    you aRE not helping them mac’tards as you are only funding their stupid lifestyle.

    the more you fund their wallet, the more you will share airspace with them in starbucks and hog all the power outlet with a supersize adapter.

  179. You know how all you mac users can upgrade is the HDD and RAM? Well with the new Mac’s that’s not even possible anymore. Have fun paying $2000 for a hardware upgrade.

  180. “The upside of this is that you can guarantee the quality level of the product you’re buying. You know that the machines, their components and their hardware are going to be the highest available level of quality, and not contain second-rate knockoff materials that will burn out within a short time of purchase.

    I’d rather pay more for high quality that lasts many years than pay less and replace it far more frequently.”

    Rofl this cannot be more untrue, You know that any component in mac’s liek their 4GB 200 dollar RAM, is shitty slow ram, same with most of their HD, and such.

    Only some of their graphic cards are good once and even then their mostly the lower versions of those cards that they sell you for twice the price.

    also ever tried to upgrade your mac hardware ? it’s a hell compared to any other computer, that’s plus it voids your waranty if you still have one last i’ve checked.

  181. baloney, crap,
    fact is mac users are the ones that scour the internet to look for software fan control cause default fan setting is delibrately spun low set by apple. hence at the end of day, they go look for for hacks like that while pc users are surfing and gaming. well linux, its hacking everyday.

    baloney crap users.

  182. After years of using Windows, and Linux I finally grabbed a Mac Book Pro in mid- 2010. For years I would buy a new $700+ laptop or upgrades for a desktop to keep my computer running at speeds I was happy with. Over time the Machines would just simply get slower. Now after 2 years with my Mac Book Pro, I have yet to put any money into keeping it “up to speed” it is simply performing exactly how it was when I purchased it. I have to use Autocad at work all the time and as far as windows programs, if you just took the time to do your research and really think about what you need a computer to do, you would realize that over time and for everyday use the Mac line wins. The other thing that really stands out to me is that when I was a Windows/ Linux user at home I would come home and spend about 1-4 hours a night working on getting the computer tweaked to how I wanted it. New freeware to monitor things, new hardware to help speed it up or cool it, new tweaks to get it to be optimal (for me). With my Mac I don’t do these things. I have freed up my time so that I can spend it with loved ones and I have learned how to sit back and enjoy things rather than coming home and trudging through the computer to tweak it daily or weekly even. Because of Mac / Apple I have come to find that my personal time is far more valuable than consistently tweaking a computer. I have enough to fiddle with in life.

  183. @ELIAS

    STILL FACE PALM!

  184. Also we did not tweak around with the pc if thats what your saying

  185. Ok my primary argument was anger based madness with little proof and reliability
    BUT ALOT OF MY FACTS ARE TRUE
    1. Most computer stores ive been in sell vaios for 3300 dollars
    2.We sent the vaio to a computer place for the upgrade
    3. Those 5 virus attacks did not involve your our winner complications
    I apologize for speaking with little proof and reliability
    After a lot of research on these topics I’m gonna make a reliable argument

  186. 1, you can customize the clock. 2. Only a dumbass thinks “screen size” is everything. I can get a 20inch laptop for less thant $600. It’s just crap. Apple is still a little (like $200 – $300), but OS upgrades are so much less in the long run. I like the dock. It’s an opinion and actually, many people love the dock. Actually, most people (even some windows die hard who try it for a while) love the mac GUI. They practically invented the GUI (at least how it is today) and the reason why you hate it so much is because your used to windows. Same reason I loathed linux GUI for the first month I used it. This is a serious question, why is mac “locked down”. No one ever gives me a list, it’s just like it’s a given. I mean, I’ve never encountered anything you can do on windows that mac won’t let you do except when I program, and even then you only have to click two extra buttons to get it to work. The ports I can sort of understand, except for the fire-wire thing. Yes, the battle was lost, but it was still faster than USB 2.0 and I used it for backups a lot. A lot of those ports you listed aren’t even on standard computers anyway. For the f**ing right click thing. THERE IS A FREAKING RIGHT CLICK. You can either get your track pad to let you right click (or most apple mouse’s) or you can just control click. I will admit it is annoying though.

  187. I bought a macbook pro and I was not happy with it at all. It was WAY overpriced, and gaming really sucks…. I mean REALLY REALLY sucks.

  188. It’s hard to come by educated people about this topic, but you seem like you know what you’re talking about! Thanks

  189. I think somebody touched a nerve here. I am enjoying the fact that most of the mac sheep automatically assume you believe PC (AKA: Windoz) is better. Fact is Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are (were) brilliant entrepreneurs who made billions selling us their wares. It’s like VHS vs. Beta again; Beta was the far superior format in terms of video and audio quality (TV industry standard for decades), however VHS offered a less expensive option that sported a greater capacity of recorded video. I suppose you could always have the best of both dismal worlds with a Hackintosh PC, but I really don’t know why anyone would want to. The real fact is there are no perfect solutions to our personal computing woes, but there are other options besides just these two. Linux has come a long way in recent years, and has always been (since it’s inception) much more stable than anything on the market; UNIX not withstanding. Just for the record Linux isn’t a “UNIX clone” at all, however it was initially created to interface with Unix. You can read some of that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux . I’m not saying Linux is superior to any other OS (at least not out loud), but I am saying there are literally hundreds of alliterative options out there, and to limit your horizon to only two very commercial options id being very close minded about your future.

  190. Good work plus nice looking site

  191. True. I have mac and already decided to switch from apple production to any other. HATE IT.

  192. some apps frozen – only recourse is to yank out battery on mac???
    thats user friendly. pathetic.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG2g8u3dceU&feature=relmfu

  193. It would be best for all of the PC supporters to just go on with your superior lives. It is clear as day that nothing you can say will change the minds of these ignorant Mac fanboys. The stupid will only get stupider so there is no point in wasting your effort in attempting to change these wannabe tech-savvy, hipsters. As evident above, they have attempted many time to disprove the claims made in this “rant”, yet they only came to further provide greater evidence backing up these facts as to why Macs suck. It is a waste of our time to pursue in this Mac vs PC debate for that the answer to this debate has already been made clear from the articles and evidence kindly provided by Mac fanboys; PC are far superior machines. Let just let the ignorant masses continue to live their ignorant lives. At the very least, these fanboys help in stimulating the economy by spending a butt-crazy sum of cash for crap.

  194. Try to keep everything simple for the mac users. They don’t like complicated stuff.

  195. Hey Mac users, where’s you’re 3D? Where’s your Beats Audio? Where’s your gaming? Where’s your Entertainment? Oh that’s right, you stupid puppets don’t have that.

  196. I hate using the mactard mouse. It’s cheap crap.
    And no, I will not use Final Cut amateur X. if you want to edit on your fancy mac paperweight that’s ok cause youll be eating my dust. Premiere Pro works great on a PC!.

  197. baloney, found a previous post from someone above… interesting….

    http://www.cyborggaming.com/blog/post/2011/06/07/Mac.aspx

    anyways just for 3rd party mouse, mac has problems:

    “Thanks for all the detailed diagnostic so far – we’re using it all to look into why you’re having so many problems. Most people are fine under Lion but obviously some aren’t! To answer your question, Mac support can be tricky. Just the difference between the versions within each major release of the OS (10.6.4 vs. 10.6.6, for example) can sometimes cause issues.”

    windows never break on such small version updates and especially for something as simple and non-trivial as 3rd party mouse. what will happen with 3rd party webcam, wifi, printer, etc.? yeah your gramps not gonna have headache. bullshit.

  198. I have no idea what Elias is talking about…. anyway “…….” I can assure you that my “stories” arent fake. And you are incorrect in your assumption that if a PC fails it’s the users fault. That’s a laughably stupid statement. Computers are tools to accomplish an end, for some people they are more, but for the majority of users they dont care how it works, they dont want to tweak or customize the OS , they just want to get work done. Why should my grandfather need to know how to defragment his hard drive and manage a registry? So does a Mac suck for him? No, it’s saved me a ton of headaches and for that, it’s MORE than worth the price.

  199. “mr gates the richest conman in the world has been toying with you people for 40 years
    And thats how he’s rich
    he is a thief”

    Yes hes a thief, donating the majority of his fortune to charity and saving over 7million lives. What a crook.

    P.S. There are countless Stories(Read: Fake) about PC’s and Mac’s (Example: Herp and 2297.) Yours is mostly likely one of them.

    P.P.S. If a PC fails you, you are an idiot and fucked up your computer.

  200. @ELIAS

    face palm!

  201. I am so disgusted that people continue to argue about this.
    Macs are king
    Pcs are massive ripoffs
    If you want to think about it pcs are overpriced
    Some vaios cost 3300 dollars the most expensive mac only costs 2000
    My sister had a windows for 4 years lets take a look at some of the complications
    1. 5 VIRUS ATTACKS
    2. Major failure when trying to upgrade to windows 7
    3. 7 MINUTE LONG CHARGE
    4.bOOT TIME 30 SECONDS
    5Does not take cps
    6.shuts down for no reason
    7.voice is jacked up
    8. We had a camera but it was destroyed along with all of the rest of her info in the update
    iVE HAD A MAC FOR 2 YEARS LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THE COMPLICATIONS
    4 HOUR CHARGE
    2.Occasional application crashes
    thats it
    I havent gotten a single virus
    not a single error
    and when i updated to the latest system there was no damage
    the one time i damaged my mac was when i spilled a who cup of water on it.
    The information was lost but none of the other components were even damaged
    this is an outrage
    mr gates the richest conman in the world has been toying with you people for 40 years
    And thats how he’s rich
    he is a thief

    9

  202. Really now? I have AMD and intel PC’s along with my Macs and in intensive applications my i7 consistently outdoes my FX. As for graphic cards Im partial to AMD’s radeon line even if theres little linux support for their cards. And you don’t know me, I never pay retail for anything. My university gave me a grant for my MacBook Pro, my previous Macs were purchased used or refurbished. My PCs are all built by me with parts that I get for great deals. Furthermore, AMD has their work cut out for them, intel is a group of trolls. They sandbag like no ones business, the i7 extreme has two disabled cores the article link escapes me but google it, Im too lazy to do that right now.

  203. I’ve seen the benchmarks but my own test don’t show much of a difference. Company’s pay benchmark makers to lie about their scores, they all have done it before. Intel is overpriced, yeah they have decent CPU’s but I have rigs with NVIDIA, AMD and Intel, there is no real difference in performance. Unless you are running benchmarks, Intel CPU’s just run benchmarks better because all Intel cares about is their score and money.

    All you idiots just think “Its more expensive so it MUST be better” There is a obvious reason behind your name.

  204. @2294, now tell me how some technologically illiterate middle aged man/woman is going to know how to build their own rig? Oh and the moment I saw an AMD FX CPU I immediately discredited this. Even the lower frequency quad core ivy-bridges are outdoing the bulldozer. For the money, sure AMDs are great, but since many on here claim to adhere to outright performance, intel is your company.
    @hahaha for the same reason you clicked on this link, now climb out of Bill Gate’s asshole.

  205. all the butthurt mac fanboys. Why did you click on this if you enjoy steve jobs dick so much?

  206. That’s exactly what I’m talking about. With a desktop PC as long as your smart and buy the right motherboard your computer can last you more then 10 years, and you can upgrade whatever part you need to upgrade. Laptops are always behind in technology, and its better to have a powerful desktop and a cheap laptop then just use remote software or a cloud system to run everything off of your desktop but control it from your laptop.

    Manufacturer: Me
    Processor: AMD FX Eight Core Processor 4.2GHz
    Memory: 8192MB RAM 1600Mhz (2x4GB)
    Hard Drive: 1.5TB +120GB SSD
    Video Card: XFX Double D AMD Radeon HD 6870 x2 (920MHz Core Clock, 1100MHz Memory Clock) CF
    Monitor: ASUS VE228H 27″ LED HD 1080P
    Sound Card: AMD HD Audio
    Speakers/Headphones: CA 2.1 60W, 30W Sub/Gigaware Wrap-Around USB Headset
    PSU: RAIDMAX RX -850AW 850W 80+ Gold
    Keyboard: Logitech G110
    Mouse: Logitech EX100
    Mouse Surface: Generic
    Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
    Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX TUF
    Computer Case: NZXT Phantom (PHAN-001BK, Black Steel)

    Cost me a little over $1000. Not the best rig out there but better then any Mac and cheaper then most.

  207. Yeah, I have yet to encounter a peripheral that doesn’t work on my Mac, even the ones that dont have “works with mac” on the package. All you have to do is download drivers.
    @2291, show me. 99.9999% of all laptops have soldered CPUs and GPUs. If you’re talking about desktops then sure, I’d buy a PC desktop over a Mac Pro. But honestly besides RAM and HDD/SSDs Ive never upgraded any of my computers. Because by the time my CPU and GPU are old it would be more efficient to buy a new laptop, because by then RAM and SSDs are faster, displays are better and a new wireless protocol will be out.

  208. pc all the way,
    let’s say your wireless and ethernet are broken. try shopping for 3rd party wireless dongle that works on non-windows OS. that’s where you’ll see why windows shines even without using windex.

    when it comes to peripherals, webcam, printer, ethernet, etc.

    windows >>> linux >> mac

    sorry to burst your bubble. no, it’s not the whole world conspire to screw linux and mac. it just microsoft foster commercial environment where every device manufacturer can develop drivers for the os unlike the tight control on apple platform. they chose not to let 3rd party drivers from amd/nvidia.
    are theirs homecrap drivers any better.

    bs.
    nobody knows their hardware better than the chip maker.

  209. I prefer PC’s, they last longer and even the pre-made ones are upgradeable.

    The PC I made is more powerful then any Mac available. But lets say I need to upgrade or replace a part that isn’t the RAM or HDD/SSD, instead of buying an entirely new computer for $1000 – $4000 I only need to spend $100 – $600 for the part I need.

    And as for the “world class” Displays My cousin has the new retina display MBP he enjoys the quality of the display, but he is a bit peeved because he says mine “looks way better”.

  210. In that case I completely agree.

  211. “Well that doesn’t mean that Macs suck, they just aren’t good enough for what you want. I have no need for multiple GPUs so they’re fantastic for me.”

    No it does mean they suck, for me. I never said you had to agree with me, I never said they suck in general I don’t like them I don’t see the value in them, and I am in no way forcing you to “see the error’s of your ways”

  212. @pffft yeah, um no. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about if you think the manufacturing location has anything to do with it. In today’s market companies set quality requirements to be met by said manufacturer. Location has become irrelevant.
    @anonymous Well that doesn’t mean that Macs suck, they just aren’t good enough for what you want. I have no need for multiple GPUs so they’re fantastic for me.
    @noangel With that grammar you won’t convince me. What if I don’t want to run lines of code to accomplish things? Not to mention people who aren’t technologically competent. Are you suggesting that my father buy a linux computer? Hah, that’d be a laugh.
    Not to mention that just because a computer runs linux doesn’t mean it’s automatically faster than a Windows/OS X box.

    Im leaving with this, you can’t base all computer performance on an objective basis. If that were true then everyone would use linux on a custom built computer. The vast majority of the world is not interested in building their own computer and customizing their OS (I’m sorry it’s true). Objective performance only wins on paper, otherwise the Corvette would be the greatest car ever and no one would buy Gibson/PRS/Insert expensive American guitar brand here/ guitars.

  213. never buy mac, if u have money. pc are simple the best – customizable, cheap, have free OS as option, u can do anything on it, its so much faster, then mac. i mean not win vs mac os, but pc with linux/bsd/win vs mac. fuck you apple!

  214. lol too many mac fanboys, you are pretty stupid. all the apple products are made in china and obsolete technology, while my pc (dual-boot win7 and lubuntu) is made in south korea and is not obsolete. you just buy your stupid apple because you are isheeps.

  215. What do they have to do with anything? They are related to this entire argument. Computing is a singular and unique experience for everyone, everyone has different needs, preferences, expectations, and understanding of computers. For me multi-GPU support is a must. Mac’s do not support multi-GPU’s.

    In this argument of opinions my previous statement is valid.

  216. @Anonymous, what does running multiple GPUs have to do with anything?

  217. Get real – and learn the facts. It is not Mac who is out of touch, but YOU. I have PCs too – but my Macs are far more stable don’t require defragmenting and yes are much more efficient than my other windows based operating systems.

  218. SLI/CF or GTFO

  219. Normally I don’t read post on blogs, but I wish to say that this write-up very compelled me to try and do so! Your writing taste has been surprised me. Thanks, quite nice article.

  220. “Indeed. Nice list of examples too.” I figured commons sense would lead to you figuring this out but alright. CNET, LaptopMag, PCMag etc.
    @bubuzzz While Im not a software engineer, a good friend of mine is and he has no problems with web development (protech1inc) albeit it’s fairly basic stuff.

  221. “Tell me, why does every laptop or tech publication love Macs?”

    Indeed. Nice list of examples too.

  222. ZzzZzz

  223. I am a software engineer who just got a mac mini 1 weeks ago (I have money, I am open minded, so i should try, anyway). I played with window from 3.1, ubuntu from 7.04 and now, osx 10.7. What can i say? 10.7 is totally a crap. Web development is totally bullshit under osx. For example, this issue http://mariz.org/blog/2007/01/26/mac-os-x-decoder-jpeg-not-available/ still happens until now (even after 5 years). And the way to solve it is just like linux ‘s ways 5 years ago: search google to find the suitable libs, recompile the lib with ./configure, make, make install… and the install the wanted package again. I can do that easily, but i dont want to waste my time just for a little problem. Do you know how easy is that in linux? Just open the terminal and type “apt-cache search sth” and then select the good one to install with only 1 more command line. So, if you only a normal user, want to have a good UI style to work with, then go for Mac. Otherwise, if you are an IT guy who is not interested with osx specific development, then stay away from it

  224. Hell, even the term value is subjective. It really depends on what you want with your laptop.

  225. Wow, most of you are idiots. “This is bad on a Mac” really? Well thats vague, which one? What CPU? I have a 2012 MBP (15″ regular not retina) and it runs Diablo 3 and other new games just fine. Whats this “non repairable” crap? Aside from the CPU and GPU (which are soldered on nearly EVERY laptop PC or Mac) the RAM and HDD can be user changed with no problems whatsoever. And OS X is more than Free BSD with an interface slapped on, go do some research GPS. And to whoever said “you have to ctrl + click” no you don’t. Go to mouse or trackpad settings, you can program one side of the trackpad or a corner or a gesture or two fingers etc. The only thing that’s a disadvantage is the price and even that doesn’t make it a bad product it makes it a bad value. Tell me, why does every laptop or tech publication love Macs? They aren’t stupid, they deal with more computers than you or I will ever own. Bad value=/= bad product.

  226. We built [the Mac] for ourselves. We were the group of people who were going to judge whether it was great or not. We weren’t going to go out and do market research.”

    “A lot of times, people don’t know what they want until you show it to them.”

    there are reasons why the word mactards sticks because your founder thinks you are one because you cant make informed decisions and because you guys just know how to open your wallet and mouth.

  227. have their own os?

    freebsd with a graphical desktop environment slapped on top. maybe one day they have a clause to make leeches pay attribute like say “mac os x BSD”, so
    mactards dont think they are funding apple’s hard work.

    atleast msoft maintain its own nt kernel source and graphical desktop environment.

    hahahaha misled to overpaid for graphical desktop environment. we have plenty of those, kde, gnome, lxde, xfce.

    atleast when you buy next version of windows, it usually comes with major directx version overhaul in the kernel. you are actually paying for something very complex support not just minor improvements in gui, etc.

  228. @Anonymous

    Whats your point? I know they have their own OS.

  229. Mac died with Steve Jobs. Admit it and get the iShovel already.

  230. If you run a decent production studio you’re most likely to have BOTH platforms, and you might even still use some really ancient analogue (no computer anywhere in sight) techniques. The idea is to provide a great atmosphere with the best tools and people to help people in the creative process.

    If your ‘engineers’ are worth their salt, they’re not going to tell enraptures and artists what to use, nor are they going to tell the public what to like or producers what to risk their hard earned money for. The successful studio listens to the artist and helps them be as productive as possible.

    If someone calls my studio and asks, “Do you have Band in a Box for the 1988 Atari ST?” I’m going to pull it out of the basement and set it up…the studio is there to make him happy and help him create.

    So really…who the heck cares? If it makes someone happy, and they’re willing to pay or share in the profits to work in a particular environment…then provide it.

    Tools are tools…people are people. Matching the right tool with the right person is what it’s all about.

  231. Mac sucks.Final Cut X is the last straw. Dissed every Final Cut Pro editor

  232. @Derp

    True, except Apple has its own OS.

  233. “…The Mac is no different from any other Intel computer, They all have the same Intel Component’s inside…”

    True and False. Intel and AMD sell the designed to Apple, Apple then sends the designs to their factory to produce the products (With the exception of the CPU and GPU, and I’m talking about these http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/amdhd4000-sb.jpg ) Much like other 3rd party company’s such as: XFX, EVGA, HIS, MSI, DELL, HP, Asus. ect.

  234. Computer Systems
    Most computer users have not got a clue about computers or operating systems period. A computer is a computer The Mac is no different from any other Intel computer, They all have the same Intel Component’s inside, Though a Pc are a higher specification than the Mac, do your home work,

  235. Anyway, if you get a Mac, chances are you will still put Windows on it as most applications, especially games are intended for the Windows platform. Besides, there are only a few free software that are designed for Macs. So in the end what would you gain for having a Mac. You will be spending more for the hardware and then spend extra for Windows. Would it be a wise choice? It may be if you will only stick to Mac and won’t be running games on it. The choice is yours.

    Oh by the way, only idiots who don’t know how to protect their computers on Windows get virus problems. They are the ones who don’t use antivirus and antispyware protection and just click on every link and email attachments that they encounter. I hope you don’t happen to be one of them.

  236. i never had any virus on the pc only idiots had a virus. if you know what are you doing.

  237. If you think about it. Why are there so many virus on PC(Windows) than on a Mac and why so many games on PC(windows) than on a Mac. Because there are more PC(windows) out there so if you want to make money you have to aim for the bigger crowd not the smaller one and hoping you will make money from the smaller crowd.

  238. @ Mr.Mac96

    Can you show prove that every games are under contract with Microsoft that is why
    they cannot released a mac version of it. Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, borderland, and more are also on Mac and some do not run as good as on PC. But if you’re talking about xbox 360 where Microsoft dump million of dollars to make a specific game to be there exclusive to their console then I understand where you are coming from. Please don’t just say that Mac is superior in almost every way when you have no evidence to support it beside just stated your opinion.

  239. Hi there, I want to subscribe for this website to take most up-to-date updates, thus where can i do it please help.

  240. Written by a true dick who has no idea what he is talking about. More that 75% of this shit isn’t true. The truth of it, is that Macs are superior in almost every way compared to other computers. As far as gaming capabilities, the only real reason they can’t play a “PC game” is because mostly every game intended for PC’s are under contract conditions with Microsoft and therefore cannot be played on a Mac without the proper Dual OS software.

    My point is, Macs are better… nuff said. :P

  241. and playing league of legends is laggy on a mac.

  242. when scrollbar have a hard time tracking and trailing behind the mouse. mouse setting is
    not the problem. mouse is already faster than the safari crap. all browsers currently on
    windows and linux feels more snappy than your crap desktop os.

    poster 2255, stop crapping in all your orifice. suggest you use charmin ultra for your crap.

  243. When I minimize Diablo 3 on a mac everything else is so laggy and I get the infinity rainbow spinning whell. Sometimes I have to do cold boot inorder to get out of the lag and the beautiful rainbow spinning wheel. I almost kill myself and installed it on my PC(windows) to play Diablo 3 and do other stuffs when I want to rest from diablo 3. This tell me that os x sucks at multitasks.

  244. ye i try out a mac book pro. things that i don’t like

    Right click: you had to ctr l+ click so annoying
    Browsing: At random times don’t even know. Gets a rainbow spinning beach ball of death
    Gaming: Poor
    Price: Expensive

    Benefits: Only good for audio/music.

    What i had seen: Face book 24/7? emailing, Starbucks, youtube, itunes

    Other than that, you could just get a notebook is not that worth to get a mac unless you’re doing audio.

  245. Duh, it’s mouse settings! You don’t want that answer because you know its true!

  246. tried out imac at best buy,

    scrolling is slow on safari.
    i mean scrollbar is trailing behind mouse.
    last time i see this was browsers on linux. but that has improved a lot since. today, firefox, chrome, etc, on linux, windows dont have this problem.

    please dont suggest mouse speed can be change in settings.
    this has nothing to do with mouse speed. mouse is already faster than what webkit/gui subsystem can render.

    way overrated.

    browsing == poor
    gaming == poor
    cad == poor
    flash == poor
    office == poor
    price == poor
    choice == poor
    aesthetic == better

    other than preety icons, it is not even intuitive.

  247. I look at computers as a tool which I will have to use all day; everyday. And when thinking about this I decided that I want a computer that performs well, maintenance can be by the user, all parts new and old are compatible, and so on. PC meets all my requirements and more. Mac almost breaks the bare minimum. But a fancy touch pad and a debatable better screen does not make up for the lack of functionality.

  248. I look at computers as a tool which I will have to use all day; everyday. And when thinking about this I decided that I want a computer that is nice to use, which is why I picked a MBP.

  249. although i still use my pc. But @exactly, except one thing

    i was also force to use a mac for the storage i need for programs such as Pro Tools, Logic and other audio programs.

    Some dumb stupid people out there just brought a computer just because it looks so beautiful and shiny.

    I only looked at computers for performance not for looks.

  250. Mac OS is based on BSD, so its not linux… they share a lot of code but still Linux is different.
    I like linux better than BSD.

    I was forced to use a Mac at my work and it a very bad OS.

  251. Yes, for gaming PC is the way to go without a doubt.

  252. Especially for gaming, although if your looking for excellent video and photography editing and programes and have the$ i’d say get a mac. I own a pc and it is excellent for gaming and still offers a fair lot in photography and video if you find the right program

  253. Well, if ur looking into more gaming experience you should totally own a PC, tho if u would use the computer for editing, music, and that sort of stuff i have heard mac is better, tho I love PC and it can do all that stuff as well, tho Mac ain’t compatible with most games, and they are frigging expensive in comparison.

  254. WTF do they still exist with their overpriced sh*t. Windows is 1,000,000 x better. They put a firmware on their HDD to make you buy their overpriced fragile shi*tty HDD. Oh, well HDD isn’t sh*t, only Apple.

    You don’t have to buy Apple’s HDD dumbass. Any HDD will work. The reason Apple is still in business is because of things like the new MacBook Pro.

  255. windows xp was one of the best os yet

  256. WTF do they still exist with their overpriced sh*t. Windows is 1,000,000 x better. They put a firmware on their HDD to make you buy their overpriced fragile shi*tty HDD. Oh, well HDD isn’t sh*t, only Apple.

  257. both laptops slightly different one thing i hate was fanboys who dont give out facts just random words trying to defend themselves.

    I don’t mind both windows and mac. But I hate ignorant fanboys

    This is only a computer, not a religion. Although all fanboys need was to shut up and keep it for themselves somehow

  258. You keep on claiming that mac applications sucks and are limited in their functions but dont clarify………..

    Are you paid by windows? -_____-

  259. Typing this, from a Mac you may be surprised to hear (or read) that I am able to listen to criticism of my 08 Macbook. I know, particularly the author of the article, is thinking bs look at this snob fanboy, but paying those undesirables no heed let me continue. If you want good, objective, consumer advice listen. Mac products are fully functional and come bundled with easy to use programs that I’ve never found a problem with, on the laptops the battery life is healthy, and freezes are not a real issue. However for gaming stay far from a mac device, no good game is a mac exclusive and only a handful of gems are ported over to OSX, also if you wish to customize your device then you are out of luck. However I have a friend who is very into the PC crowd and we have had good objective conversation over this sort of thing. I’ve determined the three advantages of a PC: Cost, options, and games. You can build your own PC, according to him you can get a pretty good rig for under 1,000 dollars U.S. and that the task of assembly is actually not as daunting as it seems. Due to high PC sales you can also get every video game that is not a console exclusive and run it on highest settings if you have the hardware while the current Macs aren’t built with this level of power nor can they be customized so as to attain it. This is an objective critique.

    Also there is a face :D a happy face
    ((( and a rainbow?

  260. Macs have right-click dumbass. System Preferences. Fuck you.

  261. and the annoying thing i find on the mac is that when you right click besides clicking the right click on your mouse you had to press

    control + click

  262. when is my first time using a mac to give n go for reasons i feel really bored on the mac like what else that needs to do besides browsing the web

    but i am now using it for music but i am using my pc a lot. Cuz there are so many games out there that is available for pc you can change your graphics card anytime you want . i never had a virus on my pc only idiots [noobs] had a virus.

  263. “What Im saying is the service is better, the OS is smoother…”
    That’s subjective My OS is as smooth as a baby’s bottom. :)

    “…the keyboard fee…”
    Again Subjective.

    “everything Ive read about the bulldozers says they’re a great value but in terms of objective performance they lag behind the intel CPUs.”

    My last build was a i7 2600k. And I can tell you right now. No difference from AMD FX equivalent’s
    i7 have slightly smoother performance as they are VPU’s. But hardly worth the price. When it comes down to it, its just up to your preference. Any AMD has yet to fail me, so no need to switch to a more expensive competitor. Same with Nvidia. Both cards are just as good as one another, but one is more expensive because of software support. That honestly doesn’t impact performance at all unless the game/Program was built for it.

    Anyway. As for Laptops I would have to agree PC manufactures are bit lacking, But Sony seems to be trying to change that.

    Personally I don’t need a laptop for anything. And if I did need one I would probably get a cheap netbook as I wont be doing anything to taxing on a laptop anyway.

  264. What Im saying is the service is better, the OS is smoother the little features and details like MagSafe (yes I know it originated in Japanese kitchen appliances, that’s irrelevant) the battery indicator, the keyboard feel and yes, the trackpad. Apple lacks in the desktop dept. I’ll give you that. But I have yet to find a laptop that is as nice all around as a Mac. My next computer will probably be a PC desktop, but I have to say the iMacs are nice all-in-ones. And iMacs use laptop CPUS and GPUs which limit them, yet the i5 in the iMac will probably win in terms of applications that aren’t heavily threaded, everything Ive read about the bulldozers says they’re a great value but in terms of objective performance they lag behind the intel CPUs.

  265. Forgot to mention my logitech G110 (Already factored in the price)
    12 G keys, 3 Macro Profiles, On the fly Macro Recording, Backlit keys, Colors changeable within the red and blue spectrum, 1 USB 2.0, Microphone and Headphone jack, Volume and Media controls.

  266. My comp.
    8 core AMD FX CPU 3.8GHZ
    16GB ram 1600MHz
    2TB HDD 7200RPM
    14 USB, 2 eSATA, 4 USB 3.0, 2 FireWire
    XFX Double D Radon HD 6970 x2
    1.2k Wat PSU
    NZXT Phantom Aluminum/Steel Full Tower
    Blu-Ray Disk Drive
    2.1 Speakers 60W
    23″ LED Asus Monitor
    Windows 7
    MS Office Home and Business.
    Cost me about $1,500 (Ya ik not half the price.)

    27-inch: 3.1GHz
    3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
    2560 x 1440 resolution
    4GB (two 2GB) memory
    1TB hard drive1
    AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB

    $2000

    ” Ive used many PCs and Ive used many Macs. Apple isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but as a whole I would say that the quantity of PC hardware doesn’t beat the quality of Apple hardware (by this I mean the trackpad, cases, etc. the WHOLE package, not just the X86 hardware).”

    So what your saying Macs are better ALL AROUND just because of a better case and a track pad? And those two things are invalid for me because of my Aluminum/Steel case and Desk tops don’t need track pads.

    “…but what kills most PCs is their lack of fluidity (it’s a word I swear). I know, that’s subjective and vague at best. Look at it this way, watch the scrolling on a Mac and the multitouch gestures vs similar features on a PC.”

    I don’t really use laptops and I find the track pad on a PC and a Mac stiff and annoying. As for multitouch it is nice on both Mac and PC’s but I never fine myself using it (Unless I’m right-clicking on a Mac.) I don’t think a feature that I probably wont use is worth an extra $500.

    And as someone said before, Not everyone needs all the bundled software Mac comes with. Ya its a nice value, but completely useless for the average user. Then for people who want to play games you have to buy Windows as well adding even more to the price of a Mac. It really does not seem worth it to pay so much more for lesser hardware and lesser functionality.

    And Apple even has drivers for Windows if you want to use their track pad that badly. Granted you lose multitouch functions above 2 fingers. But that is hardly PC’s fault as Apple likes to patent just about everything.

  267. “” Price wise I can buy or build a pc that will blow the sh*t out of a mac performance wise for less than half of the cost of apples best machine.”
    No, no you can’t.”

    Yes, you can build a PC with more then x2 the performance and specs of the best Mac for about half the price.

    Show me, and I mean ALL of the specs, battery life, display, even extra features like the sudden motion sensor and battery indicator as those are part of the package. The markup in terms of pure specs on a Mac is around 30%. Im including software in this evaluation.

    “…And not only did you compare arbitrary figures against nonexistent competitors…”

    Sorry about that I was comparing iMac to the comp I was on atm. Anyway my point is you get better and more of everything on a PC then the bs Apple gives you at their price.
    Gotcha, you can order 2GB of DDR5 on the iMac GPU. Of course it’s a mobile chip though. iMacs aren’t “real” desktops per say. Im going to wait after WWDC 2012 to make my final judgement of them, as they are supposedly getting a refresh. Ive used many PCs and Ive used many Macs. Apple isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but as a whole I would say that the quantity of PC hardware doesn’t beat the quality of Apple hardware (by this I mean the trackpad, cases, etc. the WHOLE package, not just the X86 hardware). Most PC’s feel half baked and unresponsive. You have a few like the HP Envy line and Samsung’s new laptops are pretty nice, but what kills most PCs is their lack of fluidity (it’s a word I swear). I know, that’s subjective and vague at best. Look at it this way, watch the scrolling on a Mac and the multitouch gestures vs similar features on a PC. It doesn’t affect productivity, but the general design is subdued and out of your way. Thank god for that otherwise my ADD would have killed any hope I had for productivity long ago.

  268. “” Price wise I can buy or build a pc that will blow the sh*t out of a mac performance wise for less than half of the cost of apples best machine.”
    No, no you can’t.”

    Yes, you can build a PC with more then x2 the performance and specs of the best Mac for about half the price.

    “…And not only did you compare arbitrary figures against nonexistent competitors…”

    Sorry about that I was comparing iMac to the comp I was on atm. Anyway my point is you get better and more of everything on a PC then the bs Apple gives you at their price.

  269. “…And not only did you compare arbitrary figures against nonexistent competitors…”

    Elaborate.

  270. *a HP Envy.

  271. “So what excuse do the WinTel Fandroids have for Windows 8 restricting browsers to only IE?”
    Its a OS made for Tablets, and its also under development. If there is no other web browser that’s the 3rd party company’s fault not Microsoft.

    @Now Im Using My Mac
    Ohhh yay you pay $1000 more for a cpu that’s 1.4GHz slower (That’s allot slower in case your an idiot.) 500MHz(Still allot)slower RAM 4GB less ram. 250-500GB less HD space 1800 less RPM less (Sloooooooow) Mobility Graphic cards (They suck and are your only option har har)and all you get is a better track pad you smart fellow you!

    HD 6970
    Core clock: 880MHz
    Memory: 2GB GDDR5 Memory (or 1GB if its 3rd party manufacture)
    Memory Clock:1375MHz
    Stream Processors: 1536

    HD 6970M
    Core clock: 680 MHz
    Memory: 1GB GDDR5 Memory
    Memory Clock: 900MHz
    Stream Processors: 960

    *you’re, well done. Not only do I know about CPUs and clock speeds, I’ve built my own PCs (note the plural). And not only did you compare arbitrary figures against nonexistent competitors, you utterly ignored my point.
    And no, it’s not the 3rd party company’s fault for Windows 8 being locked down, I already know you don’t do research, so here’s a nice little quip of info. Mozilla is having to beg Microsoft to lessen the restrictions on Windows 8. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57439936-93/browser-choice-a-thing-of-the-past/

    “oh and have you guys notice that when you use youtube on the mac it lags.”
    troll alert

    “apple in general sucks. What other company limits its products compatibility to consumers regarding internet based content and software?”
    almost all companies
    No flash…
    Flash is terrible and it’s going away. Butthurt fanboys whined when Apple got rid of floppys, this is the same story. You’ll get over flash on the iPad. We’re talking about macs here, they can run flash just fine.
    ” then why not an alternative to display flash based content thats ALL OVER THE INTERNET?”
    The figures you’re thinking of have gone down significantly, Ive yet to stumble on a page with my iPhone that runs flash.
    ” Price wise I can buy or build a pc that will blow the sh*t out of a mac performance wise for less than half of the cost of apples best machine.”
    No, no you can’t.
    “Why do I need to remove 40 screws to do anything on a mac and why do I need special tools to get to anything?”
    Ha, that’s funny, Macs are the same, if not easier to tear down than a lot of PCs. Sure, you have the thinkpads, but those are for businesses and honestly, do you want a thinkpad? I know I don’t. I have an HP Envy 14 as my PC. But Im selling it soon, I don’t need it.
    ” Enterprise wise apple cant touch microsoft or the pc hardware and software vendors.”
    This is true, well, I don’t know about “can’t touch” but they do lag behind in the enterprise section. Yet they seem to be doing something right as Apple is the most valuable company in the world.
    + pc’s
    + ms
    + ubuntu
    + linux
    Ubuntu is a distribution of linux, redundant post is redundant. I have Natty Narhwal in Parallels, not a huge fan but it’s not bad at all. Preferable over W8 or XP, about the same as W7.
    – and F@&$ apple and its overpriced, outdated, and incompatible products. F their overpriced stock too.
    You do realize that stock price mirrors the progress of the company right? I thought not. Outdated? That’s rich. Incompatible? Nice try, maybe in 2007.

  272. oh and have you guys notice that when you use youtube on the mac it lags.

  273. apple in general sucks. What other company limits its products compatibility to consumers regarding internet based content and software? No flash… then why not an alternative to display flash based content thats ALL OVER THE INTERNET? Price wise I can buy or build a pc that will blow the shit out of a mac performance wise for less than half of the cost of apples best machine. Why do I need to remove 40 screws to do anything on a mac and why do I need special tools to get to anything? Enterprise wise apple cant touch microsoft or the pc hardware and software vendors.
    + pc’s
    + ms
    + ubuntu
    + linux
    – and F@&$ apple and its overpriced, outdated, and incompatible products. F their overpriced stock too.

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  275. “So what excuse do the WinTel Fandroids have for Windows 8 restricting browsers to only IE?”
    Its a OS made for Tablets, and its also under development. If there is no other web browser that’s the 3rd party company’s fault not Microsoft.

    @Now Im Using My Mac
    Ohhh yay you pay $1000 more for a cpu that’s 1.4GHz slower (That’s allot slower in case your an idiot.) 500MHz(Still allot)slower RAM 4GB less ram. 250-500GB less HD space 1800 less RPM less (Sloooooooow) Mobility Graphic cards (They suck and are your only option har har)and all you get is a better track pad :D you smart fellow you!

    HD 6970
    Core clock: 880MHz
    Memory: 2GB GDDR5 Memory (or 1GB if its 3rd party manufacture)
    Memory Clock:1375MHz
    Stream Processors: 1536

    HD 6970M
    Core clock: 680 MHz
    Memory: 1GB GDDR5 Memory
    Memory Clock: 900MHz
    Stream Processors: 960

  276. “So what excuse do the WinTel Fandroids have for Windows 8 restricting browsers to only IE?”
    Its a OS made for Tablets, and its also under development. If there is no other web browser that’s the 3rd party company’s fault not Microsoft.

    @Now Im Using My Mac
    Ohhh yay you pay $1000 more for a cpu that’s 1.4GHz slower (That’s allot slower in case your an idiot.) 500MHz(Still allot)slower RAM 4GB less ram. 250-500GB less HD space 1800 less RPM less (Sloooooooow) Mobility Graphic cards (They suck and are your only option har har)and all you get is a better track pad :D you smart fellow you!

    HD 6970
    Core clock: 880MHz
    Memory: 2GB GDDR5 Memory (or 1GB if its 3rd party manufacture)
    Memory Clock:1375MHz
    Stream Processors: 1536

    HD 6970M
    Core clock: 680 MHz
    Memory: 1GB GDDR5 Memory
    Memory Clock: 900MHz
    Stream Processors: 960

  277. Macs are NOT 5x more. Maybe 1.5X more, but I gain the luxury of being able to go into any Apple store and receive exemplary customer service. Furthermore, the details on a Mac have actually received attention. The trackpad doesn’t feel like Im dragging my finger across a non responsive brick. Sure, the specs are a little bit lower than I would like, but not by a significant margin.

  278. So what excuse do the WinTel Fandroids have for Windows 8 restricting browsers to only IE?

  279. its not on mac, nuff said.

  280. and a computer is for performances not looks.

  281. just keep your windows and post your propaganda to fox news! they’ll listen.

  282. The narcissism in many of these replies (read: Mac users) is funny as hell.

  283. All of you saying that macs are leading in innovation, can I ask in what exactly? The only thing the industry as a whole is leaning towards is the layout of a mac. So you can sit there high on your horse and grasp tightly your dream that macs are superior, but realize that the fucking dock is not a huge leap forward in technology.

  284. Macs are now, and always have been, overpriced pains in the ass. You pay about 5x more for your machine, and it has lower specs than the pc that costs so little. A few other things, for you mac users defending them right now: You’re totally right about the right click. This guy fucked up. And the date/time setting is adjustable. You’re all so right about that. Now on the other hand, your hardware is not really customizable, and what is is very recent. Saying that hardware is available to make a mac have the same functionality as a pc just proves this guy’s argument though. If you already pay extra, shouldn’t fairly standard hardware already be there? As a side note, DVI =/= HDMI. Not by a long shot. Saying macs have their limits but they’re good at other things is just not true. A pc can do anything a mac can, and it’s cheaper to build a pc with better specs than a mac than it is to buy a mac. If you want a machine that is very limited, why not just buy an older pc?

  285. SHINY is going to make you Smart the moment you are exposed to it.

  286. OMG IS SO SHINY

  287. By the way Dave, in your comment about poor dumb rednecks, I will slap the SH*T out of you because I am a redneck living in Georgia that can afford a MAC. I just choose not to because of the fact that some of you think we drink beer down here in the south, well MACS are made out of aluminum. So, a mac is just as much as a hillbilly as us because they are made out of BEER CANS and whatever else they can find to make them DA*M things!!!

  288. Amen and thank lord, I thought macs were sexy (by there outside design). Now all I want a mac for is so I have all the looks on the outside, and all of the performance on the inside (meaning I will use bootcamp to load windows ;)) TO sum up this comment, Thank you and continue using windows or linux)!!!!!

  289. @ Dave

    I’m using a PC(windows) so I’m automatically consider as a moron by you. So I will become a very intelligent person after I buy an Apple computer? That’s the impression
    I’m getting from you Dave.

  290. PPS – Plus, the majority of the people that I’ve met that hate Apple products are poor dumb rednecks. Too poor to buy Apple products so they shit on them just to feel better about their crappy lives.
    Just like how poor people make fun of people that drive Ferrari’s. All I heard in this post and comments was a lot of whining.
    You PC morons should try a little less whining and a little more winning; get a mac!

  291. Haha! Funny article. Macs always have, always are and always will be light years ahead of any PC. Why do you think all the PC companies follow in Apple’s footsteps? It’s disparagingly desperate and pathetic.
    I used a PC for about 3 years before I even cared about operating systems. As soon as I got my Mac, it was like I had died and gone to heaven. It’s true – ONCE YOU GO MAC, YOU WON’T GO BACK.

    PS- I’ve had several cellular phones too. And my iPhone is the coolest thing I’ve ever bought. Besides my Mac.
    People hate Apple products for the same reason they hate the New England Patriots and the Yankees. Because they KEEP…ON…WINNING.

  292. Still to this day XP is THE BEST OS available on Windows, mac os x sucks balls, i have used macs and pcs alike and will have to say, pcs, much more customizable, much more options with interface, with mac, its like communism, LESS CONTROL, MORE RETARDED ASS-WIPE FRIENDLY, the only thing mac is good for is to be put in elementary schools for the slow kids and non-tech savvy kids, only people that cant handle windows use macs, macs are slow, restricted options, and shitty graphics, honestly the only thing that i would ever use a mac for now is something to piss on outside while i am drunk.

  293. even on post-pc devices, one should always strive to use a more unrestrictive platform.

    android has no artificial restriction that limits firefox/opera from being built. take opera full mobile version and not mini. no restrictions on programming languages that can be developed for. no politics to restrict apps that dealt with adult, politics, race, comics, icons’ look n’ feel.

    since android is not-limited to adult contents, it is therefore not a kiddie-pad.

    android can be programmed on win,linux,mac. it does not artificially pushed
    you to upgrade your os when a new android version comes out.

    if i want the most-supported, long-term hardware and software support, it’ll be always windows.

    if i want the richest multimedia support, it will still be windows. games, browsing, asf/netflix/silverlight/flash playback. not that you dont have netflix,flash playback on the other platform. but it works the best (leanest/smoothest) on windows.

    if i want freedom ideologies, it’ll be linux. it will still be a standard pc and not a pc with custom franken-efi that needs specialy-tailored ubuntu iso to boot from. supporting these so called devices are bad, because
    next version of fraken-efi in future products line-up, and you’re back to square one waiting for hackers to figure out the close proprietary franken-efi. why waste open-source development time on a closed-device.

    if i want development machine, it’ll still be windows because it satisfy most people from creating web, graphics, video, games, audio, engineering cads, etc. while the other platform can satify say audion,video, but it is lacking in many other areas. why buy a single purpose machine.

  294. As I read through some of these “mine is better” comments, I can’t help but feel that it is still a point of view, nothing more. One poster mentioned zipping a file. Really? How many average users care to do anything with a zip file other than opening it? Windows devices have done that out of the box since ME was released. As a tech who at times has to transmit large log files to vendors to provide them information on problems with their code, sure I use it. Does the regular user need to? How often is that? With broadband, large amounts of free cloud type storage and huge limits on message size, zipping is very overrated. Again, while that might be important to a few, most could careless if they could zip a file out of the box anyways. Point of view and nothing more.

    Apple sold how many copies of Lion in three days? Sure they did.they put their users in a stranglehold by telling them the iCloud services that work with the iPhone 4 would work with their Mac, yet it didn’t with anything older than Lion. So all these folks that just bought into Justin Long’s crock of crap get their iPhone (see closed, locked down, limited to 3G speeds handheld device with no expandable storage and I can bitch because I am typing this message on a 4s). Only to find out that iCloud doesn’t work on even the latest versions of Snow Leopard and that if an Apple user wanted it, that all they have to do is go to the Apple store and pay for their 30 dollar upgrade. The funny part is that iCloud works just fine on Windows.

    Think about that for a second. Apple provided iCloud support for Windows users, but their own loyal following has to pay more for a new OS. I can tell you for a fact that as an owner of both Lion and Snow Leopard, that I am not thrilled with Lion. Still trying to figure out why Apple decided to do that, but I can only think of one thing, money. There is nothing I see in Lion that makes me think that Apple couldn’t make iCloud function in full on even 10.6.8 other than Apple chose to not make it work.

    MS might have sold fewer copies of the Windows 7 OS, but you should include the licenses for the corporations, plus the ones that shipped on the new PC devices sold in that same time frame.

    At the company I work for alone, I know for a fact that when Windows 7 was released, that the distro of over 150000 devices running began and that number grows daily. That is just one large company who in the past wasn’t known for being early integrators of new operating systems.

    Apple makes some cool stuff, but without post-pc devices, they are nothing but a fly in the ointment. I go out of my way to use my Mac, I truly try to use it and push my already deep experience further into seeing what it can do. My MacBook pro, running Lion has given me the “you need to restart your computer, hold the power button blah blah blah” at least three times in the last 30 days, yet not a single Win 7 device in my home or at work has blue screened or frozen. Come to think of it, I haven’t seen a single blue screen since using windows 7. That includes two devices with a corporate image, two machines upgraded in place, seamlessly from Vista, my home built tower, a Dell Inspiron and an old Dell Latitude with nothing for resources that had a build date of 2001. Even my Standard MacBook, built in 2009, running Boot camp hasnt crashed while running Win7, but OSx has crashed countless times. I choose to send Apple all of my crash info, every time. Haven’t heard anything back from them, yet the crashes continue and happen randomly.

    I have said it before, I view Linux as a utility and have it running on a 6 year old computer, but it hasnt crashed either.

    I can say without question, that I’d I had to choose only one, it would be Windows 7 in a heartbeat. I have never been limited by it to do anything I wanted. I cannot say the same for my Mac products, but that is just me. I actually really like my Mac stuff, I am the furthest thing from a hater you can find, there just isn’t anything I can see that makes it superior in ANY way.

  295. What I see is that Apple has a following of users we label as “fanboys” because in large, that group presents themselves as “elitists”. Many of them go out of their way to criticize others for not being Apple believers. They are quick to accuse people of being lesser people or “poor” because they think the only reason people don’t buy Apple is because they can’t afford them.

    Before Apple released it’s Mac vs PC commercials, Windows users could careless about about Apple or what anyone was using. When Apple chose to start a very deceitful and disrespectful campaign aimed at making Windows look bad, they stoked a fire that they could not control. Many thought that since that ghey motherplucking Justin Long came out and claimed that Apple was superior, that it was true. After all, who in their right mind would come out worldwide and make such a claim if it wasn’t true? Apple would. By doing so, they tricked a few people into spending more money on less function, trying to grab a larger piece of market share. Ultimately it failed, yeah, they earned a little bit more, but nothing to get hard over.

    I have owned or used every single computer product Apple sold short of the Lisa and a few versions of the Mac Tower. Even going back to the 80’s, I have never used an Apple product that made me believe that I could do better without a PC. As time as gone, the PC has only become more powerful and more reliable with each release of Windows.

    You didn’t see Windows users showing disrespect for Mac offerings because Windows users didn’t care. They were happy with their device and it did what they wanted it to do. However, Mac users have been on the defense for DECADES. They have always viewed MS as the evil empire, that windows users didn’t know how superior they were in Cupertino. Apple bred this thinking and still does to this day.

    MS singlehandedly saved Apple in the 90’s. They literally funded them and agreed to make software that allowed Apple users to function in the regular world. Apple repaid them by painting a picture of the PC guy being a fumbling, square idiot. That if you owned a Mac you would be cool and superior, that you wouldn’t have crashes or viruses. Justin Long didn’t tell you that Windows runs on everything, mass produced PCs, home built computers and yes even Macs. He didn’t tell you that gaming was very limited and that software was more expensive, that you couldn’t upgrade your device easily. No, he told you that if you used a PC, that you were stupid. Never heard anything from MS dogging the Mac for it’s unrivaled shortcomings in the world of computing. Of course, they weren’t desperate enough to do so. Apple was, just like a dirty politician. They turned their point of view into a law, then lied when they did it.

    That pissed off many PC users and drew a line along with crapping in MS’s living room.

    Now I will always own Apple and PC products. I don’t care who uses what platform, if it works for you, then great. You should be happy, but no one has a place telling anyone else what is best for anybody than themselves. Whatever platform you use, consider that others may not see it the same way you do.

  296. # Debian
    $ everything else …

  297. think only apple are unique, only they can produce beautiful os?

    dreamlinux uses slightly different scheme where their icons are different and more gamma saturated. so somewhat similar but yet color scheme are more vibrant but nevertheless just as beautiful.

    it shows osx are just desktop environment on top of bsd os much like gnome, kde, xfce, etc. unlike osx, dreamlinux’s underneath is powered by the best os- linux with better hardware support than their bsd core. they can do it, so what’s so special with apple?

  298. don’t know where mactards dig up those factual garbage.
    “Mac OS is not locked in any way.” –
    atom cpu was delibrately disabled with update. the os requires apple’s efi or pystar efi and doesnt support other generic x86 processor like amd, via. how else are you gonna described a lock-in system? with a real physical padlock? sound dumb when talking giberish.

    “Mac OS is designed to be working perfectly with it’s components allowing it to work greater.”
    basicaly, you meant given the small subset of hardware (couple of models of iseries cpus, gtx cards), apple should optimized the drivers like crazy. why aren’t they?
    Windows 7 vs. Mac OS X 10.7 Lion: Cinebench R11.5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZt_KvzgyPs)

    stick to facts.

  299. Here’s some of the things Windows Lovers don’t seem to understand;
    – Mac OS is not locked in any way.
    – Mac OS is designed to be working perfectly with it’s components allowing it to work greater.
    – Mac OS has a lot of things intergrated. Say, you were to zip a file. On Windows: Research .zip, look around the web for compatable software, download, install, buy or use trial version which only lasts for 14 days, open the program, open the file in the program, zip, choose output. On mac: Rightclick->”Zip File”. Get my point? And this is just one of these awesome Mac-Only features.
    – Programs made in packages/apps makes the app more faster, no need to install, easy to uinstall(rightclick->”Delete”), and best of all – No Virus.
    – Due to the Macs great base software engine, it never crashes or freezes. I’ve had Macs from MC Air, to Mac Pro, and the chance of freezes/crashes/and-so-on are litterly 0.1% of a Windows computer.
    – “No Right-Click”?? Dude, false rumor.
    – With the apps not quiting when exiting a windows is so much greater then you would think. You only think of it as bad, cause it is different and you have to get used to it, but this allowes so much more functonality to the work-prosess.
    – Mac does not have bad graphics, it’s just working so great with the components that there is no need for better ones to match it up.
    – The reason Macs are so expensive is simply because it is so good.
    – “Semen” said “windows rules”. Well, thanks to Macs intergrated Look-Up-That-Word feature(by just dubble tapping with two fingers on the mousepad) I was able to look up the word “Rules”. And it turns out it means being on top, or being better/best. Microsof sold 3 milion copies of Windows 7 in 3 months after it’s release. Apple, however, sold 3 Milion copies of OSX Lion in 3 Days after it’s release. Apple takes over 40% of the marked in that area – which is over Microsoft. Meaning that Apple Rules Over Microsft. He he *evil laugh*
    – The reason why most of the people who are against Mac are not for it, is because they have not fully tried it’s functions. Seriousely.

    Windows is like………. Nice, Cool, Awesome! But when they sees mac… Mother Of God… And when they look at Windows again….. Eewww, *pukes*

    Windows is Good, but Mac OS IS better. It is. Seriousely, it is. It’s better. Like, it’s better. Best. It’s Best. ..best……

  300. windows rules.
    http://www.cyborggaming.com/blog/post/2011/06/07/Mac.aspx

    excerpt from tech support from the MAKER of gaming mouse for mac.

    “Thanks for all the detailed diagnostic so far – we’re using it all to look into why you’re having so many problems. Most people are fine under Lion but obviously some aren’t! To answer your question, Mac support can be tricky. Just the difference between the versions within each major release of the OS (10.6.4 vs. 10.6.6, for example) can sometimes cause issues.”

    anyway, just for NON-TRIVIAL 3rd party devices, mac already has so much problems with MINOR versions of os revision. that just spell BriTtle. can’t imagine how other 3rd party devices like webcam, printers, etc. fare.
    what’s worse are mac users who would cried “this/that maker sucks at making drivers for mac” without realizing how technically pathetic their os is. underneath, security is lax (hacked in secs), filesystem is old, it is just a polished desktop on freebsd. it’s all about aesthetics with them, nothing technically superior about them.

    windows dont break so easily on non-trivial stuff. notice, the comment – “mac support can be tricky” and not “os support can be tricky”. notice the similar patterns in mac users, who cried their fowl mouths at adobe, firefox, microsoft (in short any device, drivers, software not made from apple). just show their rabbid nature.

    ever wonder why apple is so adamant about writing video drivers? so that they can shield you from breakage that will occur with mismatch driver version and kernel updates esp. with video drivers on unixes – known to send you back to the old ages of command line.

    advantage of microsoft being just software maker is that windows were designed from inception to deal all hardware machines made by others out there – different makes, built, drivers. that said, they must be designed in mind to be more tolerant of updates, versioning, multiple cards, etc. technically, windows is MUCH more superior, that it is able to deal with complexities arose from multiple combinations of manufacturers, driver, hardware and kernel versions and remained relatively stable. because of this, it also gives you freedom to use golden drivers (straight from nvidia, amd) and different versions to finish a game. the latter is important because if a feature is broken/removed from a newer version of drivers, i can still update the kernel and chose not to update the driver to finish a game. whereas bundle drivers forces you to upgrade along with os – shoved down your throat. what choice have you got. security or fun. such freedom is priceless for production work and can only be bought with a pc.

    similarly, non-standard efi are reasons why ubuntu, windows, etc. need some form crutches (bootcamp, refit) and specialy-tailored iso (ubuntu) to boot other operating system. cruthes == handicapped machine. personaly, i dont think linux should support these non-standard machines. putting an open os on closed machines is oxymoron like JUMBOshrimp. they already chosen a non-conforming machine and os, so let them play with their overpriced crappy os in their crappy disillusioned world. why let them joined in on the fun?

    then, there is the upgrade roller-coaster cycles, mac user must faced. who says they are not expensive. take bootcamp 4, vista and below are dropped. c’mon, vista, that’s way too early. even the smallest hardware vendors for ethernet, soundcards, etc. can maintained a budget to support longer than that. truth, they just dont care. so all you windows users out there thinking of getting a mac as a windows machine. be wary, your so called brand new hardware can fast become paperweight. just look at release year and machine models in the bootcamp docs and see how quickly they pushed upgrades. so people paying for second hand mac, you’re dumb. why pay so much for an outdated machine. you are just financing his upgrade. to recap, imagine relying on them to provide fixes to a game only to find out it is prematurely dropped in bootcamp 4. then, you either have to shell-out for windows 7 or get a new mac that suppports bootcamp 4.

    windows rules.

  301. As someone said before comparing boot times to Windows and Mac is stupid. Windows 7 is about 40GB while OS X is what 8GB?

    “Windows 7 boots at a rate of 1GB every 1.5 sec
    OS X boots at a rate of 1GB every 5sec”

    Or Windows 7 boots at a rate of 666MB per sec
    And OS X boots at 200MB per sec

    This is if both OS’s take 1 minute to boot. So a satanic result for windows is not constant. >.>

  302. something is amiss with os x. is that slow?

    sluggish scrolling in safari should not be dependent on system preference->mouse. when i scroll the webpage, scrollbar does not track my mouse movement. mouse is already faster than scrollbar. the scrollbar will play catch-up. they are the gold standards in performance.
    personally, windows always feel snappy, linux comes a distance second. mac distance last.

    i never care for boot times like all those mac users when they compare windows and os. functionality is more important.

    yeah so mouse preference dont change a thing. scolling is still slow and the myth still stands.

  303. @ semen (May 24, 2012 at 9:08 AM),

    …you know you can adjust those speeds in System Preferences ->Mouse, for tracking and scrolling, as well as double-click speed.
    The Mac myths just keep on comin’ :-)

  304. Also, you can use control-click to to do the same thing right-click does (bring up a contextual menu), and you just do that too.

  305. Like I said, if you’re using Windows on a Mac (via bootcamp), you just do it too.

    Under Mac OS, many users are comfortable with just one-button mousing, so that’s the default, but it’s configurable to right-clicking. That is not what the original post up at the top says, so I was just trying to correct a myth that’s having a hard time dying.

  306. Cool. You know how to configure right for windows and linux? You dont have to. You just DO it. No middle man.

  307. RIGHT-CLICKING IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON MAC ***LAPTOPS****

    On a Mac laptop, in the System Preferences/TrackPad, in the Point & Click tab, there is a Secondary click checkbox and you can change it to use either a 1) click with two-fingers (default), 2), Click in the bottom left corner, or 3) Click in the bottom right corner. This is on Mac 10.7.x (Lion), so earlier systems may have a different way of setting it, and although I didn’t use this option on earlier laptops, I bet it has been available for a long time.

    I’ve just set it to 3) Click in bottom right corner, as I’m right-handed and my thumb usually sits in the bottom-left corner, it is an easy move of the thumb to the bottom-right of the trackpad when I do want the right-clicking option.

  308. RIGHT-CLICKING IS AVAILABLE ON MACS – EVEN WITH A ONE BUTTON MOUSE

    (sorry if someone else in this epically-long thread already covered this – I started to search for all occurrences of the word “right” to see, but gave up because the thread is so damn long.)

    Anyway, to enable right-clicking, even on the standard single-button mouse, you need to open System Preferences/ Mouse and to the *right* of the mouse image, change the pop-menu that says, “Primary Button” to “Secondary Button” (I’m using Lion/Mac OS 10.7, earlier Mac OS’s may have a different way of doing it, but I’ve been using this option since 2009 when many of the posts on this thread were written.) With this change, when you click on the right side of the one-button mouse, it will behave as if you did a Control-click, or just like a two-button mouse.

    Note, if you’ve got a Windows partition with Windows running (via BootCamp), the right-side of the mouse button behaves this way (as you’d expect in Windows) by default.

    It has been this way for several years, though I don’t know how long exactly. Apparently there are more people than not that realize all of this.

    Cheers!

  309. tried out imacs in bestbuy. sorry mOst aNnoying Crap, i ever tried.
    given the price range, mouse travel slowly over large screen area.
    equally, scrolling is slow with native browser. not allowed to install anything.

  310. So funny to see you piss the fanboys off. Been with Mac since LCII and been with PC since Windows 3.11. I am surprised you didn’t mention Apple’s continued use of inferior hardware which has led to numerous failures like the Mini. A lot of this article is subjective but the fact is the hardware Apple chooses to put in their machines is garbage.

  311. Just more ignorant bullshit down the board ZzzZzz

  312. Yeah its a lil’ off topic lol you spotted a couple of typos about halfway thr

  313. You know what? I used a PC for 20 years and not one year went by that I didn’t have to remove a virus. It never mattered how much I upgraded either. The stupid things took a month to boot up and it was slow. However, I did have a nice clear and crisp screen. Or so I thought until I switched to Mac.

    PC does not have squat on Mac. I have had my Mac for about 3 years now and it has never crashed. I have never gotten a virus, and my screen is far superior than anything I have ever seen on a PC. I paid $1,200 for the 21.5 in iMac straight off the shelf. No upgrades or anything and I consider it money well spent.

    As for the comment about the right click, It just so happens that there is a fully functional right click and the button exists on pretty much all versions of the apple mouse. It is just not a visible button. I mean if you like, I can come to your house with a hammer and put a crack in your mouse for you, but it is really not needed. One simply needs to go into the mouse preferences and turn on right click.

    PC uses a registry. Mac does not. Everything on PC has to go through that registry and if there is an error, hang it up! Macs don’t have programs, they have apps that are designed to serve a certain function and they do.

    I am neither a wannabe nerd or hipster. I am just a guy who got sick of working on his PC. I am happy to say, I will never have that problem again. Oh yeah, for the record, all of my apps open immediately without issue. Photoshop is the fastest one.

    You really should try out a new Mac before ranting like this. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you. Mac has come a long way. I can do everything on a Mac that I could do on a PC without the headache. I can even run Windows on a Mac (Only God knows why I ever would), IT EVEN RUNS BETTER! You cannot run Mac OS on PC. PC stands for “Piece of Crap”.

  314. Nokia has got apple beat when it comes to reliable and strong. Check out the Nokia Lumia 900

  315. I just tried to convert wma files on a mac with itunes. Turns out that shit only works on PC’s.

    macs suck

    Also it’s freaking amazing this article still gets comments on the daily lmao

  316. Oh yes! Because moving both fingers over a specific spot on the mouse to right click is soooooo much ezer then just instantly right-clicking with the finger that was already there :D

  317. I might right click not left click***

  318. who needs left click when you can do two fingers tapping on the touch pad.
    Two fingers tap is so much easier than left click, right apple fans?

  319. you can right click, by clicking with 2 fingers at once on the glide pad thingy
    it has copy and paste and even a dictionary option!

  320. Arguing with retards is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it’s victorious.

  321. Hes proly just mad cuz hes not smart enough to build a pc

  322. You do know the majority of PC users don’t make their own computers right?

  323. REALITY CHECK is the type of person who has a world view set in his mind and everyone who doesn’t agree with him is a no good fucked up looser and can fuck off.

    More complex? You are simple as fuck, you brain dead monkey.

    Most of the shit he says doesn’t even make sense, and NO its not because of your shitty ass grammar.

    I don’t see how its “Agree with me or you have no future” You can die bitch and nothing will change in my life. You are nobody. No one needs you. You have no talent. You have no ambition. You are just a dumb bitch who can barely speak another language.

    You are also just a angry fucktard who lashes out at everyone who posts on here. (I.E. …. He/She wasn’t even talking to you.)

    “Idk but If you are very lucky you find something like that on android and then it works on your tablet which was made after apple made it first and cost almost the same but as you know cheaper is better.”

    1. Microsoft made the tablet first, for business use only.
    2. Sometimes cheaper things are better.
    3. Expensive doesn’t equal better.

    “Please give a little more thought to what you read in my post before you start shooting the same bullets you shoot at anyone.”

    Oh YES because you are so much better then everyone in the world right? After you are the “chosen one”, your no better then the shit I wipe from my ass you useless bitch.

    “you are told you can get a pc and max it out high end and put all kinds of good stuff in it. But when you’re done *ssembling the new boards new cards , new water cooler whatever comes out and you are biting your *ss that you spend so much time working on your “hardware”.”
    PC users are brainwashed because they have the OPTION, nay the FREEDOM to upgrade their computer if they feel the need to? Why is hardware in quotations? Are you implying it doesn’t exist? And what time? It takes about an hour or two to build a computer. Oh I build computers? I must be a no good scumbag who has no life. No building computers is my job you dumbshit. You jobless fag.

    Learn something before trying to seem smart you dumbass. Like how to speak a language for example.

    “Peace” -You dumb shit.

  324. @ …
    look at my post and read something different.
    I don’t know what the fuck are talking about. who cares about your opinion on some shit you did not dig into?

    I don’t have an ipad but I don’t understand how anyone could say this is unattractive to him.

    You are talking about games again?
    Just look up a software called Samplewiz and play a little with that. Oh right, you can’t. Idk but If you are very lucky you find something like that on android and then it works on your tablet which was made after apple made it first and cost almost the same but as you know cheaper is better.
    Did your parents tell you that?
    What the fuck do you eat?

    you should be forced to buy macs for people who know how to use em, or ipads if you need to bring that up.
    So you can’t spend so much on your fast-food.

    I’m just asuming of course but Samplewiz on an ipad is a serious instrument so you might want to check that out if you are fresh like that gamers. Of course you would have to hide it from your friends then.
    Again you know who you are if you are offended. I can’t change you. But you need to do that or dig a hole for your dreams.

    Peace

  325. @ Derr

    Dare you open your face again like that.
    Talkin about my money.
    I was actually trying to say that here in Europe the Mac is pretty much all I need to buy thats not built outside of Europe. Thats arrogance but also true.
    Meaning I know what quality is and I have got some nice tools you might not even have heard they exist.
    The music coming out of my speakers is not what you hear, be it a couple hundreds for a surround system what you might have looked at in the store and thoughts thats worth anything.
    You can’t fuck wit my shit. I’m not talking about any multimedia crap or how you call it.
    I’m crazy about my shit. One scratch and its trash normally but the mac with its lil dust is the exception.
    And yes its the most expensive “thing” I’ve ever bought. That might be because I also know how to chose from different components and put stuff together the way I want it. That begins me back to my point. The mac is one piece in my setup and I don’t like pc guys talking all the time about hardware specs of one device. I have real hardware that works and doesn’t give a fuck about pcs or macs to work.

    Ask yourself if your stuff is so cheap then why do you even go to work. To work for someone to put most of your money in his pocket. I don’t do that and very rarely did ever.

    And I also don’t understand why a mac is the exception from all this. Do you build your own tv, dish washer, or whatever?
    I don’t know why I replied to you. You obviously didn’t want to get me the first time because you have a pc. And I have a mac. So I am your enemy.

    I will say now you are brainwashed because…
    …now here it comes…
    you are told you can get a pc and max it out high end and put all kinds of good stuff in it. But when you’re done assembling the new boards new cards , new water cooler whatever comes out and you are biting your ass that you spend so much time working on your “hardware”. Look into somethin else next time or make it your job. Hobbies are for faggots and I don’t mean gay people by that. Half ass people that don’t go for what they want with no backbone.
    If not you than at least a few others here won’t turn around now and admit they do like to screw stuff together feeling like an engineer. Once I filmed one of my friends how he was updating his ram to mess with him. It took him like half an hour because he was so scared he could brake something. I updated my ram recently which was 5 minutes and cost me only a hundred bucks for two 8 gb sticks which I can use in all current models together with the old ram if I want. Excuse me that this pleases my needs more than enough.

    @ FKJ
    Yeah you wish.
    Come to Holland before new year and bring money for every faker you meet on the way. Its full though, but we are pretty easy here, a and we got all that fancy stuff from the us even the bread is soft. which is crab compared to french or german but still better than us, plus more girls than guys.
    But hurry if you want to ever see the grey area, sadly the Dam might really be closing down this time:(
    Who would have thought that Apple one day will be more open to the seedy underground than Amsterdam…
    I personally thinks its a hype. They want to get the juice form the tourist this summer thinking they have to spend their euros because it might be worthless soon.
    Poor bastards. Oh wait, whats my money called again?

    You’re right its stupid to comment but I can’t always do make the smarter choice.
    Part of the world is going up in flames. Mine is pretty nice actually and I worked for it but sometimes I just can’t enjoy it and feel bad for other people I can’t help it. Luckily I usually find better ways to deal with this but I realized everybody talks shit on the web and they are just screaming for this. Especially one this thread. Why would a mac user even be here, The topic is like, ok why the fuck should I read that? I was on a whole other thing and it came up.
    If I’d find a better tool to do what I need i’d happily leave the mac behind. Or one with a better OS but thats just me.

    @ BlaBla
    exactly Blabla is all you did there and you know it. Halfass comment. Please give a little more thought to what you read in my post before you start shooting the same bullets you shoot at anyone. Only because you need to get rid of bullshit inside you doesn’t mean you can do it as crazy as others. I have learned english from music dude I’ve never been to any english country. That is easy for me. I’m a mec user remember? We are the chosen ones.
    I’m speaking to you from the old world, the one that doesn’t change through time. Even you are connected to it but you are probably worried about your wrinkles talking bullshit like that Grandma. If you don’t get that, I’m fresher than you’ll ever be.

    Don’t tell me you run a company and then diss my age. If I’m not younger than you I’d be surprized.

    Ask a smart person if you can find one and tell him that he should not worry about doing mistakes because you think he must be too smart to do them. You might make him laugh.

    I have no problem with pcs, but with a lot of people who are around them. If some (mac) people do things that are rationally stupid so be it. You can also be emotionally stupid and I just try to go both ways. Still the majority of the world uses windows and the world is fucked up. I’m not saying its only your fault but it can’t be that there are more stupid mac users than windows users.
    If you don’t care about design, you see the world in 1s and 0s but thats only half of it. Design is usage, then how it looks. But if its not durable I pass on it.
    Apple is nice on design. To just overlook that seems to me like you are limiting choices because of reasons that have nothing to do with it. Reasons like strange people on their smartphones thinking they need to hold them all the time because they are less important without it. I saw them too.

    You really think the person that buys a mac today gets it for hardware reasons. Than you are more stupid than the idiots who bought a macbook with core 2 duo in ’11 for anything over 600 euros new which didn’t exist.

    Why man, why do you think you can correct a person that believes hardware is better and doesn’t know whats in it? Thats like talking to a wall?
    I should be talking to myself now.

    Oh and I did not at all say apple is the government although it would improve things financially.
    I was trying to say you can’t just look in your pc specs all the time. Look into people look into every company that you buy from all the stuff you eat. etc. If you do that you might find things that are more important than having a graphics card that is better than my one but only if you want to play the latest games. I don’t buy food at a wal mart. In Holland we got many small shops that have their own business. We don’t support this shit here.
    Apple is just as nice as the best stuff that comes from the US which are creative people doing great music and what not.
    Its not the worst thing to do to support the only company that at least tries to compete with windows. You better let google or the chinese make your next pc because windows will never be the innovative one. It doesn’t need to be.

    btw, I can play bioshock fine I just don”t want to. I played those games as a kid. games that interest me come every ten years like, Darkness, or duke nukem but I don’t play games because I can use the time better. Even posting here is better than gaming to me as you can see.
    I use computers for what I do because its a lot faster and more compact than analog gear. Most of the stuff is able to do way more for much less money than a few years ago. Macs are no exception.

    If I would have gone for pc, and it was possible, I’d not tell anyone about the specs which would be nice of course but nothing that I’d like to mention to anyone else besides nerdy people who beg me to know.

    In summary, most of your girls wouldn’t mind spending time with me, come to Holland we got Beauties here from all over the world.
    Choices in Life one can only wish to have. Especially one who is mainly playing on whatever that has more fan than fanny.

    Of course when I hit it too fast, it also makes that sound sometimes. And by it I don’t mean the computer.
    Anyway my pc is as calm as a girls breath when she sleeps.

    I do actually work audio production for several projects and I know how much data my mac can work at a time.
    If it wouldn’t stay calm like that I would not have it in front of my face for 10 hours runs sometimes. If I’d buy a pc I’d put it in a different room and keep the screen around of course.
    Currently I’m waiting for something to happen to be able to finish my current job thats why you are so lucky to have me here.

    Sorry for being a more complex person than 90% of you. You don’t like to hear that. As I said I’m getting by without you very fine.
    Just realize life is happening without you and you haven’t change a bit you pc freaks.
    At least mac head is somewhat a new invention. They are cute. You are a big grey mass of people doing whatever is done by the people around you. Prefering a fucking self made pc as life stops there. Don’t you fel how empty your head is?

    I admit I’m pissed that so many of well educated people I have met are wasting their time and I have to meet goals to satisfy myself.
    I can’t always tell everybody to their face what I think about them. I tried and found out what friends are.
    But this is just a place where people chose to be offended by bullshit for no reason anyway. So here you go. Most of you don’t dare to talk to a person about whats really on your mind. Face to Face. You just comment all the time and let others do the job. The when its easy for us you are telling us what tools to use. As if you would have the skills with the fucking knowledge. I build your pc today if I’d have any fun with it. To me its the most boring thing to think about what your pc might be able to do better. That doesn’t make any bitch scream louder when it comes down to it.
    I avoid getting angry like this by trying to have a nice life. But stupid people make me angry and try to pull you on their level and then beat you so you go ahead and try that or keep doin what you do. Should be less important for me now. I told you why you suck. Again if you get offended than your world is a small place and you need to change that.

    I had to look through a million laptops to find one I liked because they all looked like wanna be star-wars.
    Macbooks have only helped that there a better ones today.
    Btw I’m also selling iPads which I made with my ass. Probably not allowed but I don’t give a shit and you stink anyway. See if you can find the apple logo on that you pussies.

    For the haters:
    Linux all day! and Big Bang Theory is the best.

    ok that was too much. You did not deserve this.

    I basically just learned typing so don’t get it confused.
    This is just a very much needed Realty Check to better the chances of humans surviving the coming anger, by trying to prepare them before it hits them in full effect.
    And I’m not saying when because its not in my power.
    Saying your life would have been more impressive if you had lived it under my shoe and I’m not that great so you really need to get your shit together.

    Also 911 was killed by a PC Is what I heard when I was in church last time. When I married my mac. You know the taxes. But if that’s true I’ll get a divorce. Tell me thats not true and I promise I’ll jizz on you again.

  326. Was reading through this…. crap, and noticed how stupid everyone is.

    Like RAWR! who ether (Like everyone else here.) Just makes assumptions and acts based on them. Even tho RAWR! was right from time to time he never conveyed his message well.

    For example when he was arguing about the iPad graphics for that one game idr the name of, and don’t care enough to look for it. He thought of this roundabout way trying to understand how the graphics could look like that.

    Well its simple. The entire game is a cinematic. Unlike live gameplay. Cinematic’s are prerecorded and require almost no rendering or GPU power. As opposed to live gameplay where there are to many variables so the GPU has to calculate everything on the fly.

    In Layman’s terms, it’s like a interactive video. You can run it on a potato.

  327. And stop identifying with the material possessions you use in everyday life. This won’t make you happy. I’m talking to both sides in this vapid, useless discussion.

  328. I almost read every single comment since this afterbirth of a thread saw the light of day. From what I was able to deduce, JJ is a either a poor and envious man with little to no sense of design, or he’s a normal PC user whose girlfriend ran off with an avid Apple user. Which is of course very feasible due to his lack of coherency, inability to rebut and clinging to inaccuracies and blatant lies. Plus, since having my $2000 dollar Photoshop/facebook machine, I’ve been getting laid exponentially more.

    What I’m basically saying is: screw you guys. I’m ambivalent to computers in general, be they designed by Chanel, assembled in Vietnam, black of ethnicity or whatever. It’s a tool. Just like nearly every single commenter in this thread. At least some opinions by other commenters were based an actual facts, and you probably know who you are. You’re better than this shit.

    I regretfully inform you all that I’m writing this on an actual Macbook, bought in 2009, of which the on board sound card stopped working in 2010 (which would cost me just below a cold 1000 to repair). Apple is a terrible company with a pretty great operating system. I wish I had an ounce of weed for every deluded fanboy in this thread. I seriously do.

  329. This guy is like a rambling old man. Go back to the home grandpa.

    “but stupidity is always there to f*ck you up if you don’t care to do think.”
    You must not think allot then grandpa. For instance everything you ‘know’ about Mac’s are just your assumptions. (I.E. My computer Silent. And reaches low tems Mac’s can NEVER reach.)

    “Stop caring about whats inside your machines.”
    Yes, stop caring about the contents of what you buy. Just buy it because it looks pretty.

    “You can try as hard as you want but what you need to do if you feel offended right now is change your life.”

    So it doesn’t matter that I’m the owner of a Construction tools manufacturing business. If I play games I need to change my life.

    “Strangely I’d rather have more mac using creative people confusing you with their games, movies, computers, phones, social networks, etc. then you being able to work on bullsh*t you would do if you would not be constantly distracted.”
    So you want people to Play games, work on computers, play with their phones ect. Then work on their life? I detect a contradiction.

    “If apple is evil US government…”
    I wasn’t aware that Apple was the US government…

    “Seriously, the majority of our people f*cked up this world and now the majority of our kids are using pcs and are not making it better.”
    So PC’s the things the most creative people in the world use. Are making the world a terrible place?

    “Saying PC guys aren’t brainwashed because they can upgrade their graphics cards, why am I even able to understand such a low intelligence?”

    No one ever said that. PC users aren’t brainwashed because unlike Mac users we aren’t feed propaganda. We aren’t told our computers are perfect, and are given the freedom to upgrade them. Proof of you being brainwashed id the fact you think the world would be a better place is PC’s weren’t around.

    “Go do something useful with your life and don’t play those stupid games all the time.”

    You are very ignorant. You assume PC’s are meant for nothing but gaming? Go educate yourself a little. Stop thinking every thought you think up is a fact.

    “You need to realize that mac people get dissed because they like design over what hardware is inside.”

    You need to realize that most Mac users think their Macs have better hardware then PC’s. And this may be subjective but I find that there are PC’s that look way better then Mac’s. Personally I don’t like Bland White. Its devoid of emotion.

    “From where I can see it I just PWND plenty of you.”

    From where the pedestal on top of your high-horse? Or from behind the Looking Glass that was Painted Black? You ‘PWND’ no one but yourself.

  330. u dont have allot of money so you go for the more exspensive item. That makes sence

  331. I get it now,

    Mac is not the answer. But you strange people are working hard to fuck up this world. And because most of you are freaks and you know it, and most people still use pcs, you try hard but you can’t push that way. Its simple logic that there are way more idiots using pc compared to mac. Or are you saying Stephen Hawking is wrong when he talks about how smart he thinks we are? When I look at the world then I guess I’m not that stupid but stupidity is always there to fuck you up if you don’t care to do think. And you can’t really get smarter than that because tomorrow is a new experience.
    Stop caring about whats inside your machines. If you are not working on graphic cards or working with them as tools for your job (design maybe, I heard “they” do such things on a mac too), if you are maxing out your specs to play the latest games because you know the rest, then you are not to be taken serious. You can try as hard as you want but what you need to do if you feel offended right now is change your life.
    Start wit caring about whats inside of the person next to you.

    Strangely I’d rather have more mac using creative people confusing you with their games, movies, computers, phones, social networks, etc. then you being able to work on bullshit you would do if you would not be constantly distracted.
    If apple is evil US government and its roots is evil to the tenth power. How can you hold a dollar bill without starting to cry with your concern about whats “inside”?
    Not saying that Europe is any better. We know we gotta stay together when the chinese come, don’t we;)
    Seriously, the majority of our people fucked up this world and now the majority of our kids are using pcs and are not making it better. The few who can afford a mac can’t be a problem. Go build a new computer or OS if you have the nerve to fight the big guys.

    Saying PC guys aren’t brainwashed because they can upgrade their graphics cards, why am I even able to understand such a low intelligence? God?

    I gotta go but you need to know you suck like that. Go do something useful with your life and don’t play those stupid games all the time.
    From where I can see it I just PWND plenty of you.

    Peace

  332. Ahh damn it,

    I’m just in the mood. Kind of tired of my job this week.

    @ Not Telling My Name

    Sorry for what you had to read. Sorry for the poor feedback of the childish mac community that sems to be somewhere else with their heads.
    Sorry for not being a part of theirs or yours. And sorry for being an actual person that is not offended by you but acts like it by making sure you won’t forget that your brain works with less cpu, ram and looks than mine. Washed or not.
    Now, read my 2 previous comments.
    Then go fuck yourself. Telling me I don’t know shit.
    I know my shit plus your shit.
    What about you pay my rent and I’ll tell everybody I use Linux and it works like a charm?
    Linux is easy. You should type your comment and then stop before pressing enter just like the rest you do.
    Or just get a tattoo on your forehead saying Doll with an o that looks like the applesign to punish you. Then tell everybody your made by Dell and try finding the ones who believe your prayers.
    Seriously, that could only make you stronger.

    I’m putting you all in one box, I know but you want it like that.

    @ Bought Into the Hype

    Well, aren’t you the biggest loser I have read about in a while?
    No backbone is what we call that around here.

    @ Delusional People

    Ask for a source of your ramblings? You think you are that important?
    You need to realize that mac people get dissed because they like design over what hardware is inside.
    Or do you really look for opponents on a level that has nothing to do with an advanced computer user?
    If you constantly make money you will come to the point that you don’t know what to spend it for. Thats when I buy a blueray and a big ass flat screen. Thinking like that means you don’t care if you have blueray in your pc because you can still afford to buy one seperately and pay for movies instead of being unemployed, looking for torrents.

    As for me, one who likes to care about whats inside, I just don’t want to hear it and match the outside.
    I don’t think yours can compete with this. Also Windows is not as stable, installations take longer (restart every time) and its stolen from OSX and copied again as you can see in windows 7.
    You keep looking for a right click on a touch sensitive mouse.

    Btw in every apple store I was in and had a question I was forced to talk to idiots who knew less than me. That might be a general problem in Holland with the service but in apple stores its extreme. In The Hague there is a good Mac repair shop though. Called LJS I think, For the ones who ever need it.

  333. @QWE

    Something in my mac moves the air around thats for sure. That you also can’t hear it doesn’t mean its not there.
    Apple made a design flaw so it would be more silent. I know the story. But guess what. I like that. Despite the problem with the dust that can appear. Good side is it won’t melt as fast as yours, I already saw a mac working that survived a fire. That doesn’t need to happen to anyone to prove anything but we’ll see in a few years if it is still working as good as now. I might not even sell it and use the hell out of it for 5 more years plus a second one to bother pc guys I know.

    In summary I have it because I like it even though its not perfect and a lot of idiots feel good having one. Mac or PC doesn’t matter too much to me. As I said I make it work. But I also like to have choices. Having a Mac limits your choices is what some are saying. I don’t experience that and I doubt I have less choices than the above average pc user. I also doubt many on this site spent as much for their ventilation or fanny:), whatever its called as the friends I was referring too. I’m from a place in Europe where recession did not hit yet, hoping it stays like that. I know how good a pc can get. Actually had mine set up and then I thought hey, am I only doing this because mac is hyped and most people I met say they hate it but are using iphones and not making sense at all? Thought I should go pc to make it easier to share stuff with friends and even not to offend them. Fuck that. Fuck all the product placement by apple that is just garbage to me and a world full of pc guys. My system didn’t crash in 18 month of serious usage, my laptop was on his third life by that time of less usage. I can’t hear my computer and every singe application I wanted is available on the mac. I’m obviously not talking about games or free stuff, although there is too many of both for my little time on earth.
    I don’t care about the mainstream at all. Its a big mass of people moving very powerful yes, but too slow for me. That should be natural, no one should go by what most do and rather make a mistake instead of just following. You need to understand what and why you do it.
    I would have bought a desktop pc, but when I did I ended up with many parts my friends recommended and a price that was close to my mac. Only advantages I could see was blue-ray and usb3. I also wanted to point out that I don’t make much difference between pc or mac users. To me its sad enough that so many people using it and doing bullshit with it whatever they do. I’m constantly working on my one and it usually doesn’t include commenting in forums.
    Fact is I can accept windows users believing in their system as the only truth. I can also accept you not liking mac at all. Can you accept people getting stuff out of their mac you won’t get from your pc. May this be you or your pc.
    I think you don’t even know if mac is mainstream or not and trying to figure out what it is. Honestly I don’t deal with any of these glamourization issues you seem to have.
    I used Windows XP Pro, Vista and 7 and their features a lot and without problems most of the time. I strongly disliked a person that talked about his mac all the time and still bought it when I did not have to talk to the guy anymore. It actually took a few month but still you could not make me get one of these “silent” pcs with special hardware that you can see through the glass in the tower so you can tell stories about your graphic cards and show it around when its built it.
    I bet I can hear you fans dude. No doubt. But you probably have a screen that makes humming noise too? Maybe that makes it more of a background sound and is less noticeable? What do you say?

    @Derr
    Dare you just bited one of my lines, didn’t you?

    Idiots are people who never have more than fools gold if they get very lucky.
    I don’t buy stuff if its all I can afford. Think about it it will change your life.
    I also don’t mind driving a cheap car if I get to my destination with it.
    But I don’t drive cars. Here in Holland we like our bikes.
    I also don’t surf. Well actually I do.
    And if I do, even without music turned on then I can’t hear my surfboard making unwanted noise.
    Also my surfboard looks better than yours.
    I must be stupid for liking this.
    I still have to race it myself though.
    But a pc could change that. Wow, is that really what you’re saying?

    And yes I don’t speak native american and spelling correction is turned off but I won’t call someone an idiot and make a spelling mistake in a 1 sentence comment. Thats just weak. TempUr Yourself Pussy.

    But nevermind. I just needed to do something senseless for a change. I know I can’t make you get it.

    Not to be taken unserious because these are actually gods thoughts. You step up a level or two,
    until then.

  334. “To all the people who say its just good looking crap, why doesn’t it feel like that?”

    Its because your an idiot. So crap looks like gold, and feels like a Temper-pedic to you.

  335. @REALITY CHECK

    So in summary you have a Mac because PC’s are to mainstream.

    And when you say vent noise I assume you mean the fans. Mac’s are quieter because they don’t have fans or even vents. So their specs and clocks are always lower then a comparable PC.

    And I cant hear my computer over my games videos and music. Even then With all my fans at 100% I still cant hear them. You know why? Because I made my PC with Top of the line parts. not cheep foxconn crap. And my comp is STILL cheaper then a Mac.

  336. By the way, In case most of you so called “Mac People” Haven’t realized Mac uses Third part software from companies such as Intel. What you are basically paying for a Mac is the OS and its design, You have to be totally idiotic and delusional to claim that Apple manufactures its own Hardware, Same applies for iPod, iPhone and iPad. Word of advice for anyone that is going to ask for a source on my ramblings, Don’t try because you’ll just end up looking like the biggest idiot on the face of the world; I’m inclined to state it anyway, Look at your iCrap’s specification it’s quite amazing how it says Intel, Nvidia, etc.

    (For Idiots) Basically, What I’m trying to say is stop trying to act like a bigot, Claiming that Mac has better hardware when in truth it uses the same hardware as a PC; Only weaker mind you, And In case another idiot tries to spout nonsense from their ass again you cannot insert multiple hardware inside Macs. Example (for Idiots again) Nvidia SLI and Radeon Crossfire which allows multiple Graphics Processing Units to be placed in a single Computer. has anyone seen Mac support that? I think not :)

  337. Yes, I got one too. Most expensive thing I’ve ever bought. 27inch 20 GB ram, quadcore.
    Funny thing though, had to take of the glass panel to clean dust behind the screen. There is still something left. Behind the led screen! I know how to “repair” that by myself but I just ignore it. You wouldn’t see it if I wouldn’t show it to you. I’m not the only one with this problem. But its the only problem I had with it since I got it. I plan on selling it and buy a new one. Maybe a Macbook or MacMini instead.

    Nice to have so many of you in one thread. I used to put all of you in one box anyway. Using a pc was always a hassle for me but I had friends to it for me. But I decided to find a way for me to start using them and like them more. So I worked for a few IT companies even though I hated these jobs, and learned at work about pcs and macs. I remember a colleague who bragged about his mac and annoyed me seriously. And some Customers who expected more only because they used macs. The rest, the majority to be exact were annoying me with windows stuff.
    I’m usually a guy who does things the way other say it can’t be done just to prove em wrong. Not fulltime, but it is more a state of mind if you know what I mean. You people had me thinking so hard if I could buy a mac and still be the independent spirit I am proud to be. I don’t need stuff that stats with a small i to make it sound more cute. I don’t need osx apps because I had a windows laptop before ( my 1st pc ever) and learned how to customize the shit bout of it. I had colleagues that programmed stuff which I had to sell and support and they were the same in private as at work. I’m not like this. I don’t need or like to see my computer on tv. I don’t even have a tv, its my computer.
    The point I’m making here is that I had friends using pcs, low budget making crazy stuff with it. Like 8 years ago. And I know people using pcs they built together piece by piece. 16 Gb Ram, QC, etc.. But all they do is playing games with it.
    The only game I have ever bought for a pc is called Limbo, and it was worth spending time on it. Now my frineds are checking it out. They have overseen that while playing COD. They don’t admit it and tell me five other games like this. There is no game like Limbo. Look at the style. You get the point?
    There was nobody pushing me to buy a mac, nor away from it. So I couldn’t decide. I used my Vista Laptop fine and later recommended malwarebytes as one of the last things you can do against a virus before reinstall to my gaming friends when they had trouble and it worked.
    I always find a way. But I like it more to spend time with technical stuff since I’m on a Mac and I don’t find it easier than windows. Its just different.
    But you will not find a computer that is as calm as my one and I hate pc vent sound. Hate it.
    Since ’10 I use my imac everyday for audio production. Some apps I had to force quit but thats it. I spent a lot of time on learning how to do what, which was crazy since I was kind of good in windows at that moment. If you are working with a software you obviously learn much more than by just tweaking your graphics.
    Fact is I can here your vents and you can have a knob on your tower for that or not. The best vent on a pc I’ve heard is like ten times my iMac on a temperature that hasn’t yet occured here in Amsterdam.
    Next to the quietness, the screen was a big reason for me to buy. The dust problem pissed me off. But as I said I will get a new one if needed. To tell me its not worth it is like sayin a Ferrari wasn’t worth it.
    To all the people who say its just good looking crap, why doesn’t it feel like that?
    Too many of you mainstream people have numbed down your emotions so why would you find pleasure in having a mac that looks at you and says yeah you have earned it and you could even get me a brother in here. all you want is cheap, to match your emotions. pcs constantly remember me of everything I hated about your world which I have come to finally be a part of in the last 5 years.
    Working on pcs feels like IT job or gaming nerd for me. Working on a mac feels like I don’t want to stop. I have learned how to master the shit out of my tracks on this screen. I even bought an ipod after hating all you mp3 listeners, especially the ones with ipod earplugs sitting around like slaves to a rhythm I don’t feel.
    If I could I would leave all that stuff and take my turntable and my amped speakers and listen to some music or have a life doing something else. But computers, as bad as it is, are really great tools if you know how to use em.
    This is not a computer question as the size of the thread proves. I’m dumb enough to put my comment here but you need to realize that we’re all in the same boat and fighting doesn’t make it it better. Go and play you damn games and shut to the world if you think thats it. Go on facebook and twitter and tell people where you had your coffee today. Sent them a picture every day. I don’t care. I don’t need you. I got something else to do.
    btw, I think the OP was right on some of his points. But again, I don’t care. I don’t use right click or control much I just tap two fingers on my itrackpad or wtf its called. Peace and check out the game if you don’t know it even if you don’t like games.

  338. Whoever wrote this article is a idiot and shouldn’t be writing articles. A true journalist does their research and to stereotype people that use a mac for being nerds or hipsters is the stupid. The person who wrote this should probably be tested for retardation.

  339. Won a Mac For free not to long ago. And I have to say its worth what I paid.

  340. Magsafe sucks its so annoying. Ya its a good idea so u dun rip out your charger damaging or breaking it. But it falls out so ez i find myself putting it back on over and over.

  341. Oh I just get so irritated by the mac folks. I feel like I am being forced to use a mac the way they want me to use it. It is true that macs are pretty and they run smoother. However I want options. I like the fact that microsoft sells me the OS and I can but the computer from somewhere else. Don’t say that you can install Windows on a mac because none of the drivers are signed, and you are paying for the OS when you buy a mac. They don’t have a separate price without the OS. I feel that Microsoft trys (not always successfully) to offer me a product that I will like while apple tries to offer me a product that I should like. I feel like it’s the whole open source argument only apple makes it worse. Give me a computer that I want and not what you want me to have. Meet standards apple. Make your hardware fit any computer. They won’t do that because then they would just be a another pc manufacturer. The reality is I think they are here to stay because people are following them like a cult and now that everyone must have a mac, they can do whatever they want. Where are the monopoly police now like they were when they went after Microsoft?

  342. ITT: Butthurt mac fanboys scrambling to the defense of their precious deity.

  343. nice try Mac fanboys

  344. nice try windows faboy :D

  345. Unfortunately MS and Apple cant go down unless a 3rd company steps into the OS market.

  346. mac sucks,
    u need a specialized tailored iso just for mac – ubuntu*amd64+mac.iso.

    while pc with bios/efi can use standard iso. why?
    besides, oxymoron to put free os on non-standard pc,anyways. it’s already bad they need crutches (bootcanmp, refit) to boot a secondary os.

    why waste support time on these people with special-needs by hosting,building these iso”?

  347. I am waiting for those companies to collapse now…. waiting…. waiting…. waiting….

  348. You now what? You’re right. Mac is better!

  349. You now what? You’re right. PC is better!

  350. I can’t believe this is still going on! Is someone expecting to make the others say,”You now what? You’re right. _______ is better!” Well, let me tell you, no one will. Even if they did, is the company the person said was worse going to die because of it? You guys! Get outside and feel the fresh air man! Remember the days when there weren’t really many good computer products? No one was fighting about it then… why should we fight now? Man!

  351. Thank god I spent over $4,000 for a Macbook Pro. I really wanted a computer that freezes in the middle of my DJ sets and during music production. I can’t tell you how glad I am that every “genius” I have talked to makes me question my definition of the word “genius.”

    And let me just say that I am super psyched that I actually listened to Justin Long. I thought he was a horrible actor, but due to his convincing roll as a Mac in the PC bashing Apple commercials, I can proudly look in the mirror and smile…because ignorance is bliss and I bought into the hype without being properly informed.

    After 14 years of toying with computers I have learned to never buy a PC from a gigantic retailer such as staples or Best Buy. Have a local freelance PC technician build one or simply build it yourself (so fucking easy with just a little research).

    Sure there are tons of problems with PC’s but they are so easy to avoid/fix. The problems I have encountered with my Mac aren’t severe, but I have only had my Mac for 4 months and I have encountered enough problems to ask the question, “why did this piece of shit cost me $4,000???”

    No one should ever have to reboot their computer simply because an external harddrive was plugged into an available USB port while VLC and a piece of music production software was open. Unless the USB bus is over worked (three occupied USB ports seems to be a little too much for a $4,000 MacBook Pro).

    If anyone is wondering I am currently using a MacBook Pro 17″ with an Intel i7 processor (2.5ghz, 4 cores), 8 gigs of DDR3 Ram, an AMD Radeon HD 6770M graphics card with 1 gig of dedicated ram. I have very few programs installed onto my Mac seeing as how I just wanted it for some serious portable Music production and DJ(ing). I use Reason 6 for music production which is one of the least hardware-taxing programs you can get for what its capable of.
    I hope the Mac hype becomes a thing of the past and people realize that they have been conditioned and force fed a load of propaganda by a company that wants nothing more then to sell you an inferior product for the price of a cheap used car. America has to be the only country that will use Justin Long as a means of advertising that people buy into.
    Hey I am an accidental Mac owner and all I want back is the acceptance of my PC desktop and a little bit of my dignity.

  352. The above comment is to long to read

  353. I work for Intel and i no that people believe macs are superior hardware (like mentioned further up), when in reality they are still based on the same cpus, chip-sets and motherboards that are in pc’s (i5, i7 and Core 2. And also i don’t think they no what they are talking about when they say the last longer than pc’s when there motherboards are made by fox con which are the sh*test and cheapest motherboard manufacturer in the world. I have recently tested in a reduced time life test and it showed that it would last for 2 years while a good asus motherboard or intel one lasts nearly 4 times as long. This is due using cheaper chips to keep the production costs down. Also i-macs are the worst pcs ever for cooling as they are running desktop i5s/i7s without a proper exhaust holes like a pc which means they run sometimes twice as hot. I no there are usually low clocked and more efficient cpus running at (2.5ghz) but this still means it shortens the life. Im not against macs or pc’s cause i use both. But to be honest i prefer a pc (with windows on) (as its a more industry compatible, easierly up-gradable and cheap compared to the same specs with apple) . And the people higher up the page that think apple store colleges are tech geniuses are either a idiot and just deluded. I went into a apple store the other day and asked a college about a mac book pro for a friend and when i was talking to him he brought up that they had far superior technology than pcs (hello made from the same stuff as pcs). Im sure some no what they are talking about but most are just sales with just knowledge on how to use the system (sometimes not even that). I emit that macs a beautiful systems and i like that fact they have the latest interfaces like thunderbolt (formerly light peak)but i dont like that its a shared port for a external display aswell and like most of apples ports there not full size (requires money making adapters, which is of course done on purpose). And the user interface is beautiful but like someone said further up not completely secure same with everything and i no apple doesn’t fully take advantage of the quad cores yet either so its not fully optimized compared to windows 7 . To some up if you like the mac os, try it on a high end system as long as you no you can get the drivers for it as it would be a more enjoyable experience cause and almost certainty cheaper. I just cant recommend i-macs hardware cause of the lack of sufficient cooling and the port problems. But if you were looking at spending twice as much if not more on a mac that is the same speed as the pc eqivilent go with a mac pro cause there boards are slightly better and the cooling is better.

  354. Looking at the defenders of Mac, it’s obvious they have no damned idea what are they talking about. Like if they have never tried Linux before (or Windows).
    The marketing team of Apple successfully brainwashed them all.

  355. Mac: overpriced, locked-down, incompatible with what I believed to be common sense (for one, when I close a program, I expect it to actually stop running), not to mention an annoying following.

    Windows: has a bigger malware and virus problem and it uses backslashes in file names, but it is compatible with almost all industry-standard software.

    Linux: open-source, specialized distros, free software, support that at least knows how to program, feels like home.

    Conclusion: Linux users want to use everything their computer can offer. Windows users need it to do business. Mac users want to show off how tech-savvy they are are even though most do not even know what “Terminal” is used for (there are exceptions, but most say “What’s that?” when I open it up trying to change a setting only to realize Mac doesn’t allow it).

  356. PC:
    CPU: 6 Core CPU 3.8GHz
    RAM: 8GB RAM
    HDD Space: 1.5TB HDD
    Graphsic Card: AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB
    Monitor: 30-inch monitor.
    Inital Price:$1,200

    Upgrade your PC:
    CPU: 8 core CPU 4.2GHz $250
    RAM: 2 more 4GB sticks of ram (16GB) $30
    HDD Space: Don’t need more
    Graphsic Card: Get another and CF $180
    Monitor: No need for upgrade
    Upgrade cost: $460
    Total Cost:1,660

    iMac
    CPU: 4 core CPU 2.7GHz
    RAM: 4GB RAM
    HDD Space: 1TB HDD
    Graphsic Card: AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512MB
    Monitor: 27-inch monitor
    Inital Price: $1,700

    Upgrade your iMac:
    CPU: 4 core CPU 3.1GHz
    RAM: 4GB RAM (No Change)
    HDD Space: 1TB HDD (No Change)
    Graphsic Card: AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1GB
    Monitor: 27-inch monitor (No Change)
    Upgrade cost: $2,000
    Total cost: $3,700

    Fixed it for you bro.

  357. PC:——————————– Upgrade your PC:
    6 Core CPU 3.8GHz ——————8 core CPU 4.2GHz $250
    8GB RAM—————————- 2 more 4GB sticks of ram $30
    1.5TB HDD————————– Don’t need more
    AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB————- Get another and CF $180
    30-inch monitor.——————- No need for upgrade.
    $1,200—————————– Upgrade cost: $460
    ————————————Total Cost:1,660
    ————————————iMac Upgrade your Mac:
    4 core CPU 2.7GHz——————- 4 core CPU 3.1GHz
    4GB RAM—————————– 4GB RAM
    1TB HDD—————————– 1TB HDD
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512MB———– AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1GB
    27-inch monitor——————— 27-inch monitor
    $1,700—————————— Upgrade cost: $2,000
    ————————————-Total cost: $3,700

  358. PC: Upgrade your PC:
    6 Core CPU 3.8GHz 8 core CPU 4.2GHz $250
    8GB RAM 2 more 4GB sticks of ram $30
    1.5TB HDD Don’t need more
    AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB Get another and CF $180
    30-inch monitor. No need for upgrade.
    $1,200 Upgrade cost: $460
    Total Cost:1,660

    iMac Upgrade your Mac:
    4 core CPU 2.7GHz 4 core CPU 3.1GHz
    4GB RAM 4GB RAM
    1TB HDD 1TB HDD
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512MB AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1GB
    27-inch monitor 27-inch monitor
    $1,700 Upgrade cost: $2,000
    Total cost: $3,700

  359. This is a great article, hardware options for mac are shit, as well as being extremely over priced, people talk about how mac is more user friendly and how windows is unreliable, but this is not the case at all. i owned a emac 7 years ago and the main thing that pissed me off about it was that the keyboard has no back space and like you said there is no right click on the mouse. then you have to replace your computer every three years or so as well just to keep your hard ware up to date.

  360. “Also just to throw facts at yo face… you can game, upgrade, convert, use pc software, AND program just as much with mac as ANY other system, everyone is just too stupid to look into it…”
    -You can game on Mac but the 300* Mac games vs the 4000* PC games, leaves allot to desired.

    Yes you can boot Camp but you would still need to shell out the $200 for windows. Making Mac an even more expensive machine.

    Yes you can program anything for any system on any system** But it is easier to program on the system you are programming for.

    I do agree that windows is a double edged sword. It can be great or horrible depending on who is using it.

    “Windows it for people who want to control every aspect of their system.(And Gamers.) Mac is for people who just want to do what they need to do without having to worry about any of that technical stuff.”

    *Approximate numbers.
    **Unless certain requirements are only available on one system.

  361. “One more thing, MACS ARE CUSTOMIZABLE!!!
    Hardware AND software.”
    -So you can change your CPU? Swap out your AMD card for a Nvidia? Use 2, 3, or 4 way CF/SLI? Use ANY brand of RAM? Add ANY sound card? Add a USB Port expansion card?

    Can you?

  362. One more thing, MACS ARE CUSTOMIZABLE!!!
    Hardware AND software.
    Living with a Mac I find these things out :P

  363. Also just to throw facts at yo face… you can game, upgrade, convert, use pc software, AND program just as much with mac as ANY other system, everyone is just too stupid to look into it, or they never OWNED a mac for more then a week before getting fed up and asking for a refund. ALL macs are made to open up by the USER now. AND they give you the tools to program if you just ASK. Never say it can’t be done, cause you’re always wrong! Life is proof of that!

  364. Now this is where I must step in (using my MAC MINI to post this) and say that not only is this mac a year or two old, BUT I have used the CRAP out of it for very taxing programs and games, and while it’s true, there’s not a whole lot out there for mac, I do just as much on my mac as I did on my PC before it, online gaming, playing PC games to spite those that say I cant :P, and customizing my OS heavily with what I fancy! I will tell you now, I think my mac is the best brand of computer for home use, but I will admit that iMacs and Mac PROs are better for gaming, also PC is GREAT if you want you’re OS completely customizable beyond the user/system line (which can be awesome or a disaster), but I’m fine with my Mac how it is. And even though it’s expensive, your paying for looks too, not to mention the space you’re saving with the compact designs, but also a whole bundle of software that other OS’s don’t offer, so when someone says it’s “inferior” I calmly tell them: “Works for me :)” also the programs crash more often then the WHOLE OS (cant say that for PC!! haha) but to be fair, Windows has the gaming advantage, no doubt about it. But those games can be ported or ran in BOOTCAMP/VIRTUALPC! :P

  365. YESSSS!! Finally someone who makes sense! I swear, everyone at my college has a freckin Mac Book or Mac Book Pro. Why you ask? So they can check their facebook and twitter on a $2000 computer, instead of a $500 one. So they can hang out at the coffee shop and not be the “lame” pc kid. And if they’re really lucky, they can use their tablet to play fruit ninja WHILE they check their Facebook on their Mac. Pretty cool stuff huh?

    Btw, if you’re in college, you got to check out TheRealCollege.com It’s pretty much a college news website, but is specific to every campus… as in people could be talking about you!

  366. Even the five court ladies danced in sync to the frog’s flutes and drums.
    The whirlwind of recycled paper was a sight to see. It was like computer graphics.
    That I don’t support Technicolor parfaits and snobby petit bourgeois is common knowledge in Oceania!
    Now is the time to return home to the blue sky! The confetti will dance around the shrine gates.
    The mailbox and the refrigerator will lead the way! Anyone who cares about expiration dates will not get in the way of the glory train!
    They need to fully realize the liver of the triangle rulers! Now, this festival was decided by the third grade class with the telephoto camera!
    Move forward! Come together! I am the ultimate governor!

  367. what’s even dumb are mac users who cant afford brand new macs – go around parading as one of those spoilt-rich-trendy-hippie-elites with special-needs by buying a refurbished or old second hand mac at almost full price. yeah mac users are dumb. it like poor man driving a used bmw and buring 1 dollar cigar bills. it just dont work.

    you either buy a brand new mac at high price and have some pride as part of mac statistics or dont. if you cant be in those financial group, stop making yourself foolish by buying someone’s used junk at high resold value. stop buying their junk so they can go out to buy newer ones to brag around in starbucks. you’re facilitating their stupid lifestyle.

  368. “You are really dumb to spend so much money on a homemade computer, say it costs less than a better one and than over the years spend more on it than a better one.”

    -How much is somuch? I never gave a price.
    How will I spend more on a better computer if for me my current one is the best computer?
    Unlike you and most Mac users (especially ones who game on mac.) I have a fully upgradeable motherboard that will last a lifetime. Upgrading is cheaper then buying a new computer. and buying a new computer is Mac’s ONLY upgrade option.

  369. My hands are up on this one. How is spending $2500 on something with bad air flow, low performance and a bad OS cheaper and better than building your own for <$1000?

  370. Everyone here should get a few lives…

  371. wow this has morphed into a sad clutter of rambling and uniteligable thoughts
    spark this website in flames now please…

  372. Not just that article, the whole series of them, and I have read it ALL (something I am certain you have not done), several times.

    My sources are not limited to that however.

    For the benefit of those who say they are confused as to which is better from the Mac/Windows/Linux choices, you really shouldn’t be coming here to help you make the decision as to which you should buy.

    Mac’s are great for relatively simple, relatively trouble-free computing.

    Windows PC’s are great for flexibility, and for the widest usage scope.

    Linux offers the simplicity of a Mac, with the flexibility of Windows, but there is an initial ”getting used to it” phase to go through (as with any choice). They are also the most stable.

    Most average computer users suffer from the ”greener grass” syndrome, and will undoubtedly wonder why their machine cannot do ‘x’, or isn’t as good as ‘y’.

    If those same people were to just go and try the alternatives for themselves, and do a little research on the subject, they would find what THEY like/need most, and not what Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or the nerd at PC World think of as such.

    When you start driving, do you just watch other people around you, and copy what they do?

    Do you jump right in and try without ever having learned?

    No, you learn how, and apply that knowledge.

    Computers are the same.

    The reason people get confused, is because they want the ‘pill’, the ‘i-don’t-need-to-think-about-it’ option.

    Think of it as cheating on an exam, you may pass, but you haven’t really LEARNED anything.

    Personally, I think you can’t learn to ride a bike or swim by reading a book, well certainly not easily!

    So why not take a day at the weekend, and go and try some out, see what YOU like best, that way you can be happy WHATEVER other people say.

  373. I find Windows less complex but Apple faster. I prefer Windows because it can work with basically anything and it is what works better with my lifestyle. I don’t know what it is but Microsoft computers last longer with me, Apple breaks quicker. Apple makes better Mp3’s hands down, but not computers. Hope this helps.

  374. As a citizen of this country, which I believe in and which I have seen Apple tear apart, I must expose Apple’s bromides for what they really are. Unless you share my view that Apple skirts rules and regulations at every opportunity, there’s no need for you to hear me further. Apple is differentiated from your average intolerant rumormonger by virtue of the fact that it wants to progressively enlarge and increasingly centralize the means of oppression, exploitation, violence, and destruction. There are some basic biological realities of the world in which we live. These realities are doubtless regrettable, but they are unalterable. If Apple finds them intolerable and unthinkable, the only thing that I can suggest is that it try to flag down a flying saucer and take passage for some other solar system, possibly one in which the residents are oblivious to the fact that Apple and its vassals are on a recruiting campaign, trying to convince everyone they meet to participate in blaming those who have no power to change the current direction of events. Don’t join that gang; instead, remember the scriptures: “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.”

    Our current parlous situation is the result of a toxic combination of Apple’s recklessness and its cringers’ cupidity. It is unclear whether this is because the main thing that I’m trying to get at here is that Apple’s deeds are a patronizing form of thuggery, because Apple hates me for my determination and my aggressive stance for what is right, or a combination of the two. To be honest, I sometimes have to bite my tongue pretty hard to avoid saying what I really feel about Apple. It vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would because if we let it rob, steal, cheat, and murder, all we’ll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization.

    Apple has all the characteristics of a dog except loyalty, as if it made any difference. Considering the corruption and foolishness that characterize what I call vulgar fault-finders, mass anxiety is the equivalent of steroids for Apple. If we feel helpless, Apple is energized and ramps up its efforts to lure the snarky into its crime syndicate. Why does Apple want to crucify us on the cross of pauperism? I blame the stultifying effect of pure, undiluted greed. Of course it’s also true that for Apple’s abhorrent plans to succeed, it needs to dumb down our society. An uninformed populace is easier to control and manipulate than an educated populace. In a lustrum or two, schoolchildren will stop being required to learn the meanings of words like “antiprestidigitation” and “indistinguishableness”. They will be incapable of comprehending that Apple’s slogans are sincerely despised by everyone but the worst sorts of snotty, insecure slimeballs there are. The mere mention of that fact guarantees that this letter will never get published in any mass-circulation periodical over which Apple has any control. But that’s inconsequential because we can divide Apple’s suggestions into three categories: revolting, unprofessional, and batty. In closing, although this letter has been lengthy there are still a large number of comments about Apple that I have had to leave aside. I didn’t even begin to mention, for instance, that you can assume serious trouble is brewing when untoward, incompetent election-year also-rans divert attention from Apple’s unprovoked aggression. Anyway, the important point is that my prank phone calls are clearly in defense of decency and human dignity and violate nobody’s rights.

  375. Your parents must have brought you up to be an idiot and you obviously did not let them down. Go get a life. You can find them on the opposite side of the shelf they keep the cigarettes.

  376. doing music total different story thats fine if you doing something productive …

    just star bucks all day on the mac? = wow

  377. “I can walk into Starbucks with my Mac and get laid.”

    Ladies and Gentlemen, please observe as the pompous Mac user shows off his stylish overpriced product, thinking that paying more for an inferior product somehow makes him better than everyone.

    Please note that this is the TEXTBOOK example of why Mac users are on the same level as Twilight fans and Beiber fans.

    Because they’re complete morons.

    also starbucks sucks too. Coffee Bean And Tea Leaf FTW.

  378. Mac is just magically better than PC.

  379. Yeah, because pc users can’t get over the fact that Macs are better.

  380. This argument has been going on for 3 years 0_0

  381. besides spending that much money on the laptop why not save up the money to buy a car?

  382. I’ll start off by saying I own both PC and Mac and they both have their ups and downs- that is for sure.

    then you look at Apple stock, and you are like holy f*ck i wish i could afford a bunch of that because Apple is the most valuable company in the world with over 100 billions dollars of cash just sitting around and that cash is after the fact they have reinvested in the company with amazing R&D. 100 billion dollars just sitting around with nothing to do with it- that is insane!

    PC and Macs are both amazing machines and everyone deserves their own opinion about each but just dont forget how well one company has done in the business world before you rip on them.

  383. the reason people built PC tower is that parts are servicable.

    if power supply is busted, a 30 min trip to local bestbuy and $70-$100 would be sufficient to get it up and surfing. plus getting rid of dust bunnies takes at most 30 mins. good luck with small form factors and its many screws. at best, can compressor.
    will send dust bunnied back hiding.

    similarly, a cheap netbook or pc laptop to surf and email. if something is not working after say a year or i misplaced it, i can choose to send it back to repair in 3 weeks or simply buy another. i mean, i do not understand why some hippie-wannabes buys an expensive laptop only to surf only in starbucks. again, i am not trashing anybody. i can understand some will use it for multimedia. but most hanging around starbucks????
    i can replaced 2-3 times for that price.

  384. Why would i buy 1 to try would sounds like idiotic logic to me then ill be forced to like it out of embarrassment that i just spent 2k on something worth more along the lines of 500 (not to include the sore rectum), if im gonna be spending 2k on and laptop its gonna be the ROG G74SX at least I’ll get my money’s worth, as far as a desktop goes for 2k I’ll build my own, ive had a taste of mac products before the apple iPhone 1st generation im still trying to wash the taste out of my mouth, luckily my rectum doesn’t hurt anymore Blackberry cured it.

  385. Yup, it was. While I’m at it….

    You are really dumb to spend so much money on a homemade computer, say it costs less than a better one and than over the years spend more on it than a better one.

  386. Stupid article and written by a non-techie. OS X is probably the best UNIX based distro out there.

    Complaining that it’s UNIX-based because Linux is UNIX-based is just idiotic.

  387. And what does that have to do with anything? Doesn’t change the fact that my PC is better for me then any other PC or Mac out there.

    You couldn’t think of anything better to say? So you just with the first asinine thing that came to mind?

  388. Well, by your understanding, huh? Your understanding is warped and cracked. (I saw this while reading between the lines of your post. You shouldn’t leave so much space there…)

  389. By my understanding people like PSYCHOLIST are just dicks.

    Anyway…

    Use a Mac or PC w/e.

    Personally I find PC better because MY PC is made by ME with MYSELF in mind. So My PC is better then every other computer in the world because I made it to fit my exact needs.

    All Mac’s are the same. But there are a infinite amount of unique PC’s out there.

  390. Ha hah! “Grandparents had a PC for 12 years, yeah right!”. Probably like my father-in-law who also had a PC for 15 years plus. Thing is he still trying to figure out how to work it. Finally bought some stupid PC laptop recently and, yeap, trying to learn that one too. PC’s are great for guys and girls who want to build there own computers from scratch or modify it. Funny thing I know one friend like this, awesome computer builder, but damn, can’t operate most software available on the market. What the heck? That’s like building a Ferrari but knowing how to race on it. And I also find most super PC geeks, well just build computers for themselves in their own little world.

  391. Dude, it was never based off linux. go over some Apple history and you will find out.

  392. Reason number 4 is why I bought and love my mac :D and hate windows.

  393. The RAWR! that posted last is not the real one, though his views aren’t too bad….

  394. Get a mac before you bash it.

  395. why do people still talk about “the quality of macs components” THEIR EXACTLY THE SAME, I’ve never used a mac nor do I care to all i know is macs is an extortionate company charging double the price for components that aren’t any lesser or greater than there counter parts, Steve jobs capitalized on everything windows was not allowed to do in there inception, by law windows was not allowed to be a completely closed source, by law there were not allowed to sell parts under the windows guise like mac does now and by law they were not allowed to restrict the sale of there OS, so if you dont mind paying $2k extra for the same equipment and performance you’d get on system that has a windows OS by all mean bend over and take macs cock deep in that ass cause your just paying for a name not quality, kind of makes me wonder how many political cocks steve jobs had to suck to avoid all those laws that gates got stuck with.

    P.S. stop trying to justify the reason why your 2k short and have sore rectum and if your still in denial about them being extortionist here have a look at what they recently got caught with http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17681137

  396. I can’t believe anyone still thinks Macs are worth it…

  397. should check this out really interesting

    http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/

  398. Normally someone one with horrible grammar, like WIN7LOVER. Is just some petty Mac/PC user trolling.

  399. “truth is he can’ afford a mact”

    Truth is you couldn’t afford to learn how to spell.

  400. truth is he can’ afford a mact

  401. hahaha. How funny. is this the usual response from a PC fanboy? If so, I don’t even want to degrade myself to your level of debate….

  402. ahha you facking mac retards!! loool
    to the OP FACKING YEAH MAN!!!these are all fanboys

  403. im not anti microsoft, im using it right now, im ant-mac
    i said i use linux, because despite its downfalls I learned a lot about computers using it

    read my posts..your arguments aren’t really false, they just don’t make sense with what I said..not going to re-explain myself either…

    I understand there was no other option at the time of the early days of windows…that doesn’t make it a good product

    pretty much everything you said m$ is better about can be chalked up to my thesis
    -M$ never had a better product, they had a better business model. And eventually with enough money and some potential competition (*nix and Apple) they put out a great product

    Comparing apple to M$ in 2007, proves my point further… apple hasn’t had the money (until recently) or the desire to mac a better OS. Where as M$ has had billions and billions of dollars to iron everything out. And apple still hasn’t learned, continuing to use all proprietary hardware.

    Your comment about drivers and linux…. you had to compile drivers in linux because no manufacturers wouldn’t make drivers….this again is because M$ owned the market.

    AND MOST IMPORTANTLY I LIKE WINDOWS 7!

    I didn’t like vista…xp was petty good, and before xp despite the lack of competitors, windows wasn’t that great.

  404. “lets look at the critical exploits for xp….f—– huge”

    xp is still supported till 2014, had you use any other os as old as XP such as mac (before tiger), apple already abandoned you with no more patches

    and according to http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/mac-versus-windows-vulnerability-stats-for-2007/758

    “So this shows that Apple had more than 5 times the number of flaws per month than Windows XP and Vista in 2007”

    not only that you are left alone with older OS. with xp, still supported till 2014, securities essentials available.

    btw, you bilwildered me. you dont own macware, yet you’re anti-microsoft, and pro-mac? or pro-linux?

  405. srk, before xp, vista and 7, they were windows 9x, NT, os/2, linux, mac.

    at that time, choices are limited. so therefore you can’t really complain about crapware unless you can and have the ability to write your own super os? let’s see…

    at that time…

    NT = commercial protected-mode os for any pc but little accelerated fun (opengl only).
    9x = commercial non-protected-mode os for any pc where any apps can trample over other’s memory space but it don’t matter cause we have lots of accelerated fun (directx, glide and opengl).
    os/2 = commercial protected-mode os for ibm pc but absolutely no accelerated fun.
    linux = free protected-mode infant-stage os for any pc but absolutely no accelerated fun.
    mac = commercial non-protected-mode os for 68k, just as crash-prone as windows 9x but absolutely no accelerated fun.

    console? let see, 8 bit nintendo?

    tell me again which would you have chosen at time? i think pretty much win9x if you want to do the most with your pc. believe me, at that time pc hardware werent even cheap and you would still gladly pay for that unfinished crapware windows pushes out because the other alternative simply do not exist. if you are not gaming, you could’ve gone with nt, it’ll probably be more stable. at that time, microsoft is the best choice.

    you know, you bullshit quite a lot esp. complaining about headaches windows at that time put you during those years.
    well, linux, you have to compile drivers in those early days for basic stuff like sound card or network card at that time. been there once.

    windows as early as 9x, we’ve been able to SIMPLY double-click a 3rd party driver and automaticaly install them and reboot while you are busy pouring through README on how to compile and downloading headers on 28k modem. remember there weren’t any YUM or configure to help with missing sources. so stop with the BS. windows was,is,will still be the best OS for a generic PC.

    windows have the longest software support (eg. XP till 2014) for businesses. no business will want the upgrade cycles of 2-3 years where there is possibilities of breaking binary investments of corporate apps and printer drivers.

    windows have the best driver support for any hardware prebuilt or post-installed.
    i can add,subtract, have redundant sound cards and windows will handle them.
    drivers are easily double-click and install. it will not so easily break when we upgrade service pack. unlike linux where binary drivers are broken upon kernel upgrade or on mac where 10.6.x changes can even break 3rd party mouse. so who’s copying who? both linux and mac don’t even have infrastructor for binary drivers that independent of kernel updates. they dont have unified graphics-sound api ala directx. so on hardware support, i think microsoft is still the best.

    so where is the copying? or what else can i use if i am not using the crapware at that time? linux werent ready for consumer yet, mac is MANY more time more expensive at time with their own OS and HARDWARE. gotta pay more if you are marching to your own drum.
    OS/2 is for genuinely expensive IBM. where else can you not get crapware for your pc, chum.

    today, on pc, windows is still best corporate, home-game-work desktop, and linux is great for server. well mac just asthetics – flashy OS and machine.

  406. lets look at the critical exploits for xp….f—– huge

  407. i can honestly said we put the money to good use on xp, vista, 7

    How can you forget the years of crapware before that though?
    you shelled out so much money for years for unfinished mediocre products…

    I own a PC btw, no macware anyware in my house

  408. mm i use both pc and macs for music. But i only look for a computer not just for looks. but for better performances.

    The pc that i use was a custom build with

    . Intel® Core™ i7-3820 Processor
    8GB DDR3-PC1600 RAM
    AMD HD 6670 1GB Video
    Gigabyte X79 USB3 & SATA3 MB
    1TB SATA3 7200 RPM HD
    24X DVD+-R/+-RW Drive

    The mac that i use was just for music. But if you’re just browse the internet only could just get a net book or a notebook than using those money for a mac if you aren’t doing music.

  409. fuck mactards,

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/mac-versus-windows-vulnerability-stats-for-2007/758

    look at security of xp, vista, crapple, as far as i am concern – extremely critical and highly critical are on the same boat, plug them or sink.

    look at how much “highly critical” mac has at time of comparison with vista, which i believe mac is either leopard or snowleopard.

    i can honestly said we put the money to good use on xp, vista, 7. enough said and not bought a crapple during those years. not only we have better security, we bolt the system with so many choices of good antivirus, and still have MORE fun with games that is SO lacking in crapple.

    fuck mactards, perpectuating lies… for a system that comes with “final cut”, mactards can’t make a “final cut” with their endless dribble and incoherent facts, lies.

  410. @Anonymous:

    Prove it. Can it do it for long term?

  411. I must admit though, the ONLY reason Windows PCs are so much better is because they have owned the market for the last 20+ years. Or I guess you could say the only reasoned the owned the market is because they are so much better (not in a performance sense, but in a business sense).

    ALL YOU PC DRONES (ME included) have payed for crapware update for for years, saying MAC is worse doesn’t make sense. Windows’ model has been to force unnecessary upgrades on consumers since day one, slowly making new formats and files incompatible with previous versions. MAC is getting it’s second big glimpse at the market.

    Why doesn’t anybody talk about the early years of windows? Those were shitty days, windows 3.X/98/2000/XP/VISTA was really crappy software(Vista and XP were close but no cigar for me), riddled with bugs and no security to speak of. It has taken so many of it’s new security and performance features from the open source/*nix community, and taken billions of YOUR dollars to put out a good product (and yes now it is very good)……and you all blindly and hypocritically say apple is worse, or more manipulative. They charge more for less (or the same), yes….so does Nike, but people love Nike’s style, so what?

    the subtle differences in the way the OS behaves between linux/macs/pcs is negligible and a personal preference. Those who hate on anything not windows more than likely learned on Windows. I prefer Linux (after the learning curve) because I learned so much about computers using Linux, the only things I miss are the ease of use and compatibility one achieves when one has complete market control/dominance.

    Seriously look back to the years of headaches windows has put us through and the amount of money dumped into your own PC hardware and software….you know its true….Windows won because of their far superior business model. Not because of a prettier, faster, smarter GUI, or more secure OS. These days it is really about preference, all the OS’s preform pretty well and almost identical in some ways, because they all steal and copy from each other. Windows wins because of market/capital dominance:FACT. Not for any other reasons.

  412. Lets all learn from RAWR! and stick to the forum topic at hand…
    ie how much macs suck, and why pcs are better in just about every way except for…well not much really

  413. trollin trollin trollin….

  414. wow… bait much?

    But while all SRK has on his side was Planes (If even that.)

  415. This is directed at the Aluminum vs Steel argument.

    Aluminum is light, strong, and at a low price. So it does have it’s advantages.

    But Steel at the same price is stronger.

    But while all SRK has on his side was Planes (If even that.) Rawr! could of brought up how all construction tools are made out of Steel and Plastic. Cars are made out of Steel and plastic. Windows (Good ones. Old cheep ones use Aluminum.) are made out of Steel. Most of everything in the world is made out of Steel and/or Plastic. And plenty of things out last Computers.

    So Apple opting for a Aluminum case is just them trying to be as different as they can. While using cheepo parts and selling them at high prices.

    If you believe Apple is honestly pricing their products then why not bring hard numbers not estimates.

  416. Obviously you. I am getting the sense that you use what they call a PC.

  417. Who uses a sandwich as a computer?

  418. “The Macs are better by far when it comes to performance. Don’t act smart if you aren’t.”

    -Why you acting smart bro? A PC can pour out four times the performance of a mac at almost half the price.

  419. I am 39, I have macs and PCs. I bought all of them and, by this time, do not need to pay any rent. The Macs are better by far when it comes to performance. Don’t act smart if you aren’t. Now, everyone, let’s get over this whole thing and get a grip on life. Our opinions aren’t going to change the world. (This is directed at both Mac and PC users.)

  420. Heh, a lot of human beings on this thread obviously place a lot of their identity in a computer brand. Let’s be real though, they don’t make perfect computers and they have a customer base filled with the kind of people who don’t mind that Apple goes out its way to make their products obsolete after two years or less. And we all know that’s cause mommy and daddy are always there to buy Mac fanboys and girls a new computer when they want one (or pay their rent when they buy one for themselves). These are not electronics products aimed at responsible and mature adults, even if we don’t mind buying some of what they offer because it can be very cool.

  421. I believe that this article is true. “Right Click” is non – existent. The mac was not made for right- clicking. Also THE REASON WHY MACS DONT GET VIRUSES IS BECAUSE A HACKER COULDNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT MAKING A VIRUS FOR A MAC. This is because windows holds around 92% of the market for computers. Apple only has about 8%. A hacker would want to target the larger industry of computers. I’ve also tried programming in Xcode, with Interface builder(we hve macs @ school), it is painful. When i get home i am using an old 2002 hp laptoo running windows xp. I have no issue running visual basic, and the language for vb is alot eaiser to learn.
    The programs that come with a pc are alot eaiser to use and have more functions.

    Notepad vs. Text Edit
    In notepad you get basic text editing functions, and you can program interpreted langues( ex. Vbs, html, js, etc). In text edit(on a mac) you only get basic text editing functions. If you want to write Html or JavaScript you have to open textwrangler, and it is really annoying.
    Mac products do not come with java, ever. Java is not compatible with java. Apple produces their iwn version of java specifically for apple products.
    Enough said windows is better at producing computers… Im not going to go into how sucky ios is.

  422. “7) It just… doesn’t work. (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.):
    You say the Mac doesn’t handle multitasking very well, but you are wrong. I have repaired Many macintosh computers, and in most cases someone comes in with a computer that gets the spinning colour wheel a lot, it usually comes down to one thing: Bad Ram. The spinning colour indicates […] there are errors with data in your memory, your computer will keep trying until it processes it without errors. This will result in a spinning colour wheel that could last for (depending on how badly damaged the RAM is) for minutes, hours, or indefinitely. ”

    Haha – you have no frigging clue.

    And yes, my Mac (2010 MBP15 and later 2011 MBA13) freeze more than my Win 7 machine (T60 Thinkpad). Especially since Lion – 10.7.3 is still pretty crap.

  423. “I don’t need that much power. I need more. Search the Apple store. You’ll find one that can smoke your PC into the stone age.”

    Best iMac

    27-inch: 3.1GHz
    3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
    2560 x 1440 resolution
    4GB (two 2GB) memory
    1TB hard drive1
    AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB

    how is that better then my computer?

    OS X cant even handle multi-gpus so it is currently impossible for a Mac to be more powerful then a PC

  424. I’m about to blow your mind here people. Since the start of 2006, PCs and Macs are, wait for it… EXACTLY THE SAME FUCKING THING. Literally the only thing that makes a mac a mac is the box it comes in, and a tiny piece of DRM software that makes sure it is in that box (hope that makes sense)..

    I have never owned a mac, but I used the old style “pizza box” macs at my primary school. Seems to me that software wise they are just approaching the problem of providing an operating environment to the user in pretty different ways.

    The Apple approach seems to be to try and provide a set of core functions, and perform these very well. They also have the absolutely huge (for them) advantage that they only have to support a tiny set of hardware. IMO, this is actually very smart in providing for “trendy” people, who want a nice looking system that works well to perform a small(er) set of tasks. Lets face it, most office computers only run office, outlook and a web browser anyway..

    The Microsoft approach seems to be to absorb every possible feature, like throwing features at the thing and seeing what sticks. This is very interesting (as is the comparatively gigantic library of compatible software), and considering the range of hardware supported, actually works quite well.

    Then for the more adventurous types there is Linux. It’s like a really cheap, fast car, that uses hardly any fuel, but if you want to parallel park you need a masters in molecular thermodynamics. Handy if you happen to be thusly qualified, but for the average user (even one who never parallel parks or plans to do so BTW), TERRIFYING at best, utterly unknown at worst.

    Thank you for reading my ramblings. I have tried to be fairly objective which is certainly tough when discussing such an emotive subject as desktop operating systems ;)

  425. vw, you do realize mac product cycle always release later than what’s available on pc.

    for instance, all the refresh mini, macbook, mac pro are months after pc release cycle. when they finally released a core series mini, etc.. pc lineups are already on the next gpu, cpu, etc. who is in the stone age?

  426. I don’t need that much power. I need more. Search the Apple store. You’ll find one that can smoke your PC into the stone age.

  427. Show me a mac with these specs

    8 core cpu 4.6GHz

    AMD 6990 x2 Crosfire X (4 GPUs) Or any other CF or SLI config for that matter.

    32GB DDR3 2033GHz RAM

    1TB SSDx2 RAID 0
    5TB HDD 7200RPM

    1.2k Watt modular PSU

    Blu-ray Disk drive

    All on liquid cooling.

    You cant do it can you?

    And what are you going to say?
    ‘I don’t need that much power’
    ‘Get a life’

    Well I didn’t ask if you needed that much power, and there are people who do need that much power, or want that much power.

    And if I have the money to spend on such a advance and powerful system, I think my life is way better then yours.

  428. god mac users are pathethic.

  429. how is your mac gonna smoke any pc when the apps you cited are adobe + cinema 4d which coincidentaly has software counterparts on windows too. i failed to see your rationale esp. when on pc, i can customize it to have quad sli, raid and use golden drivers from nvidia. if anything, it would been done quicker harnessing the quad gpu and raid than can be done via your imac and macbook’s mobile gpu and hard drive.

  430. “And to those who swear by Mac saying how they never crash, I hate to say it, but you’re probably somewhat of a computer newbie who hasn’t really ever done anything intense. I ran extremely intense 3D rendering and 4K video editing on this machine and managed to crash it to the point of a hard reboot several times.

    I have made a 2.2 hour feature film using my mac and programs like Adobe AE, Premiere, and Cinema 4d. I had shot all the stuff and did this in about 2 weeks. Sounds like my mac would smoke the doors off your doghouse that you call a windows pc.

  431. http://www.generalforum.com/computers/im-switching-back-pc-plain-simple-85117.html

    “And to those who swear by Mac saying how they never crash, I hate to say it, but you’re probably somewhat of a computer newbie who hasn’t really ever done anything intense. I ran extremely intense 3D rendering and 4K video editing on this machine and managed to crash it to the point of a hard reboot several times. Yeah, if you play Facebook games and forward funny emails you might not ever experience your Mac crashing. To be fair, a PC shouldn’t crash under those circumstances either. In fact, since using Windows 7, I can’t remember a single time it crashed. I’ve managed to crash OSX 10.6.6 Snow Leopard at least 15 times in the past few months.”

    so if you still question why is it better to have drivers straight from nvidia, amd, intel. then read the above link.

    i too ran an athlon 1.2 ghz tower till last summer when i upgraded. that is LOOOOONG.
    have a dell inspiron 1560 laptop still running.

  432. but if you just click the X in mac and then open another file, it pops right up. windows won’t do that. it must reopen EACH time.

    -When you press X on Windows, you normally do it when you are DONE with a program. If you don’t even know that…

  433. FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS AVERAGE. MACS LAST MUCH LONGER.
    -Prove it. My grandparents have had the same PC for over 12 years.

    — I meant. Bull shit. My grandparents have had the same PC for over 12 years.

  434. FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS AVERAGE. MACS LAST MUCH LONGER.
    -Prove it. My grandparents have had the same PC for over 12 years.

    YOU CAN UPGRADE A MAC.
    -Like what the RAM? I can upgrade the CPU, PSU, RAM, GPU, HDD, SDD, Disk Drives, Cooling, and even more on my PC.

    1. YOU CAN PLAY GOOD GAMES ON A MAC. 2. DOES EVERYONE SPEND THEIR ENTIRE LIFE GAMING? GET A MAC.
    -Define good? Games in general are subjective so there is no ‘better’ game. Generally when every product is subjective the one with more options is better. Also some people DO spend their whole life gaming, whether they enter contest to make their money, or test games to make their money. Some people live off of games.

    NO IT DOESN’T MAC CAN OUTDO ALMOST ANYONES PERIPHERALS.
    No Windows has the best support on that. Monolithic kernel remember?

    SO, UPGRADE IF YOU WANT. IF YOU DON’T WANT TO, YOU AREN’T GOING TO DIE. I WILL KEEP LIVING IN MY IWORLD. YOU STAY IN YOUR U-DOGHOUSE.

    Some people do ALL their work from their computer and if you don’t pay up for a new version of OS X Apple will drop support to you, any attempt for help will just be met with an offer for an upgrade. As well as newer software will not be available to you.

    Unless its a game that only runs with DX10 or 11 XP supports everything.

    pc has better 3d drivers straight from nvidia, amd, intel. SO?

    -So, that means PC parts perform better, last longer, and glitch out less.

    RIGHT. SOMETHING TO BACK THAT UP MAYBE?

    – Don’t ask for proof if you never provide it yourself.

  435. Macs rock! PCs have been crushed under the rock!

  436. Whatever, so maybe I’m wrong on some stuff (but it’s arguable). There are still plenty of other good reasons why PCs can crush you iMac.

  437. pc is cheaper to surf the web, email. FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS AVERAGE. MACS LAST MUCH LONGER.
    pc desktop is more upgradable. YOU CAN UPGRADE A MAC.
    pc has better 3d drivers straight from nvidia, amd, intel. SO?
    pc has better flash player and firefox. RIGHT. SOMETHING TO BACK THAT UP MAYBE?
    pc has better games. 1. YOU CAN PLAY GOOD GAMES ON A MAC. 2. DOES EVERYONE SPEND THEIR ENTIRE LIFE GAMING? GET A MAC.
    pc has better peripherals like webcam, mouse, keyboard, printers. NO IT DOESN’T MAC CAN OUTDO ALMOST ANYONES PERIPHERALS.
    pc has better support lifespan. xp supports extends 2001-2014. os x is phased out 2-3 years? so, businesses are flocking to mac. right, buddy… keep living in your iWorld. SO, UPGRADE IF YOU WANT. IF YOU DON’T WANT TO, YOU AREN’T GOING TO DIE. I WILL KEEP LIVING IN MY IWORLD. YOU STAY IN YOUR U-DOGHOUSE.

  438. stop perpectuating bullshit.
    http://mac-antivirus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/history-of-macintosh-viruses.html

    pc is cheaper to surf the web, email.
    pc desktop is more upgradable.
    pc has better 3d drivers straight from nvidia, amd, intel.
    pc has better flash player and firefox.
    pc has better games.
    pc has better peripherals like webcam, mouse, keyboard, printers.
    pc has better support lifespan. xp supports extends 2001-2014. os x is phased out 2-3 years? so, businesses are flocking to mac. right, buddy… keep living in your iWorld.

    pc has more antivirus. now that virus is real threat on mac. mac dont even have as many antivirus to choose from. furthermore, most antivirus company will dedicate more resources on the primary platform first.

    openoffice and seamonkey used to leave parts of programs on system tray so that it can be relaunched instantly. obviously there are cons to doing so. resident programs can hold on precious virtual memory and gdi resources.

    there are 3 buttons – close means everything unloaded, min means hiding and max means fill up the screen. stop bullshiting people when the os got it all wrong like putting those aforementioned buttons on top-left. how can office users quickly close porn sites if they are scrolling on the right. or the global menu thing. it dont work for a small calculator app or similar size like proxomitron.

    mac has virus. just stop bullshitting.

  439. Yes! That is correct! Also, once I heard someone say that it doesn’t matter that Macs don’t get viruses because viruses aren’t even made for them anymore. Well. How does that NOT matter? Try getting Windows like that. I’d like to see you try.

  440. also, this argument about how windows is so great, did you know you can run windows on macs? sooooo how is a windows better than mac if you can do both on a mac and only one of them on a PC? this is why business are slowly switching to Macs. Also, while they are definitely about to get viruses, it is very unlikely for this to happen, compared to PC only b/c there still aren’t very many businesses with Macs, so there is no market for a virus for Macs. once they become more mainstream in businesses there will be more viruses made for them and then they’ll be just a susceptible to viruses as PCs

  441. dude, i’m looking at my screen right now, top right corner it says “Thu Apr 19 12:17 PM”… i don’t know why you can’t figure out how to get yours to say that. just because it doesn’t COME like that doesn’t mean it can’t be done. its called system preferences… also you can drag and drop files into the dock, i’ve done it many a time. also the X w/o actually closing the program is useful. i grew up on a PC and i don’t know if you noticed, but it takes a little while for any microsoft office applications to open, but if you just click the X in mac and then open another file, it pops right up. windows won’t do that. it must reopen EACH time. Also, it does minimize… i also do this many MANY times a day. it goes to the dock… The only thing in your article that seems valid is the issue with the price. I’m sorry you’re mad that a company decides to sell their product at market equilibrium, clearly you didn’t take econ in college. I’d like it to be cheaper too, but I’d still pay for it. Overall, if you want to be taken seriously, don’t sound like an uneducated idiot. Don’t curse and don’t throw “retard” around, because it just makes you sound like an idiot (the word you meant when you said retarded).

  442. windows rules.
    http://www.cyborggaming.com/blog/post/2011/06/07/Mac.aspx

    excerpt from tech support for a new gaming mouse for mac.
    oxymoron mac gaming.
    all-in-one, mini, air = small form factor = heat trap and mobile parts. thats reality.

    anyways just for 3rd party mouse, mac has problems:

    “Thanks for all the detailed diagnostic so far – we’re using it all to look into why you’re having so many problems. Most people are fine under Lion but obviously some aren’t! To answer your question, Mac support can be tricky. Just the difference between the versions within each major release of the OS (10.6.4 vs. 10.6.6, for example) can sometimes cause issues.”

    i dont think windows is ever that bad. i am sure if you use prebuilts stuffs from apple, everybody will be rosy in your iworld.

    but when playing in the real world of custom hot-rig, where system is built with a myriad of hardware (mouse,keyboard, videocard, raid), then you will see where windows really shine. given the insane combination of updates and the myriad hardware combos, windows is still stable on so many systems is truly amazing. certainly wouldnt break on trivial 3rd party mouse, keyboard, etc. worst case, windows will break on video cards and certainly not from such a small update jump.

    lessons in life.
    windows for gaming, surfing, 3d cads, music, video. way cheaper. i mean who needs an expensive laptop to sit in starbucks to surf, emailing.

    linux for server stuffs. cheaper.

    mac for asthetics, after all,they are selling a way of iLife. fine for some people.

  443. @KEL ANy software works on a Mac. Remember you can use it as a mac or PC. Also, it is not better for school. It is just less expensive.

  444. Macs are just a trend. PCs are still used in business and are better for school. There is a lot of software that I use that cannot be used on Macs. If all you do is waste time on the internet or looking up youtube videos, then I suppose Macs work just as well. Obviously, gamers use PCs. The right-click thing is annoying. I don’t want to press control or whatever, just make a freakin’ right click button. I don’t understand why Mac has refused to do this. I totally agree with the frustration of not being able to click and drag. Also, I organize all of my files, and on a Mac, it opens up multiple windows; it’s completely inane. People generally buy macs to be hip and trendy or because of aesthetics. People who want to buy a high-performance piece of equipment go for PCs. I have yet to meet a computer expert that prefers a mac. Trust me, I’m an engineer, and know many computer science and electric engineers. They all show a lot of disdain towards apple products other than ipods. (This includes iPhones. On the top ten list of smartphones, iPhone does not appear). Don’t get me started on iPads either. It’s an awkward-sized block that is essentially an iPhone for people with fat fingers. Seriously, get a smartphone or get a laptop, or both, not the awkward tweener stage. Or even a notebook for crying out loud. I seriously don’t understand the appeal of the iPad. Other tablets are given higher reviews, by the way.

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  447. You miss me? Well to bad. No fun left to be had in this place.

    So, I’m gone.

    ” he has a PC. Anything can happen.”

    Yes, ANYTHING at all, and only good things unless your an idiot. Unlike Mac where not much of anything goes on at all…
    :P

    DONE!

  448. Or his internet connection… you know, he has a PC. Anything can happen.

  449. RAWR! must have lost his growl….

  450. uhhhhhhh…….?

  451. Nice. How do you explain the rest of the comment?

  452. The era of ignorance is nigh. Thumbs Up to Apple for paving the way.

  453. Just because you are so repetitive….

  454. @RAWR!/SOURLIME

    It should be illegal… for you. Your getting annoying.

  455. I think 80% of people who have computer have no idea how to build one. so they relay on a company to build a really good computer that is easy and simple to use. That’s where Apple comes in.FYI most people dont need a PC custom built with ridiculous speeds and processors, and off the wall GPU’s. Most people just want to browse the web, check email, watch youtube, listen to music, and play some games like angry birds. It’s safe to with 55 million ipads sold to date, the post PC era is among us.

  456. “Macs are not overpriced, what you are paying for is something called QUALITY”

    How are they better then PC’s? If them just being expensive makes them better then you admit that Windows is a better OS and think Origins Big O is the best consumer PC in the world.

    Other then mag-safe there is nothing better about a Mac book. There is absolutely nothing good about the Mac Pro’s. There are touch-screen All-in-one PC’s that blow anyway iMac away and are still cheaper.

    So where does this Quality come from? Is it Aluminum? My new tower is made out of Steel and Aluminum. Software? Plenty of equal or better software on Windows/Linux free or not. If you are willing to get your hands dirty all software is free.

    Apple logo? Now you are making sense that alone adds what $500?

    “There is a right click.”
    Default Mac mouse and track pad only has one button. So where is this button that is on the right side of your mouse, and makes a clicking sound when you press it on a Mac?

    “Trying to “X” out of a program doesn’t close it, it simply minimizes it. Just like the minimize button. Except it begins to kill your CPU after you’ve done it a few times by keeping programs running as ghosts. (Total genius.) IT MAKES PROGRAMS OPEN QUICKER, IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN HOW TO USE A MAC IT IS FAST AND EASY.”

    Is also wastes resources and can cause your system to crash when you run out of memory. Windows has no problem opening recent programs without having to keep them open. You still have use for the program? Then that’s what minimize is for. Minimize it to the task bar or notification tray. All Apple did was make two minimize buttons.

  457. I did skim the comments and read most of them. I was re-making the point that this is old. Drop it already. Bye.

  458. @H.K. If you at least skimmed some of the comments, you would know that we already went over this.

    Everything in the article is or was once true.

  459. “I believe it without any whining for proof.”

    Nuf said.

    Unlike you, I like to feel the comfort of knowing.

    @RANDOMGUYWHOHASBEENHEREBEFORE

    And? Am I not allowed to come here on my free tome and take 2-5 Minutes to rant/troll/argue on here? Or is it illegal?

  460. @RAWR!/Sourlime

    You have been here since April 7th 2011!?!? That’s crazy!

  461. Here is some of the evidence that you were whining for. It’s not a lot, just a sample.

    I said, “The clock doesn’t display a date. That’s cool, cuz I only wanted to remind myself again that today is Monday. YES IT DOES.”

    Here:

    http://media.mahalo.com/upload/d/d7/9ba4bae17249408361345212cbc42e6e_20110706.JPEG?1309978669113

  462. I came to the website, not your posts. I responded to the website. Not your posts. Get a Mac and you’ll find I was telling the truth. Just because you say that a PC can do hardcore gaming isn’t enough proof for me to believe it. I believe it without any whining for proof. Why can’t you believe me? Are the things I say so far out?

  463. Everyone once in a while someone like H.K. comes up who doesn’t even read one comment, and doesn’t notice that no one here is talking about the article anymore.

    “I have told the honest truth about these things. . .”

    Yes so many facts to support your ‘truths’ like ‘YES, YOU CAN.’ and ‘NO IT DOESN’T. GET A MAC.’ Pure genus.

  464. Macs are not overpriced, what you are paying for is something called QUALITY.

    I don’t think Macs OS was based off Linux, but even if it was, it is so different now, it doesn’t matter.

    There is a right click. This website is too old.

    The clock doesn’t display a date. That’s cool, cuz I only wanted to remind myself again that today is Monday. YES IT DOES.
    The Dock concept is cute, yet still, retarded. You not only can’t see any of the windows that you have minimized, but you also can’t truly adjust the way The Dock behaves or appears. YES YOU CAN.
    According to Stan, its based on 1984 technology when only 1 program could run at a time. Pretty sweet. NOT ANYMORE.
    Trying to “X” out of a program doesn’t close it, it simply minimizes it. Just like the minimize button. Except it begins to kill your CPU after you’ve done it a few times by keeping programs running as ghosts. (Total genius.) IT MAKES PROGRAMS OPEN QUICKER, IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN HOW TO USE A MAC IT IS FAST AND EASY.

    Trying to alt-tab through your windows cycles through every single window of every single application one at a time instead of cycling between alternative applications (read: time-killer). NO IT DOESN’T. GET A MAC.
    Maximizing a window doesn’t actually maximize it. This is fun, cuz then I get to constantly click on things on the Desktop that I am definitely not interested in.
    Opening 100 images in the Mac image viewer opens 100 separate windows. (No comment.) THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.
    You can’t drag files around to new destinations such as applications on The Dock or other directories without first preparing both source and destination windows so they are both visible. (Still, no comment.) YES, YOU CAN.
    etc, etc, etc LIKE WHAT?

    I have told the honest truth about these things and think that this website is too old to be trusted or talked about any longer.

    Macs do work. I have NEVER had one crash or had the “dreaded pinwheel.”

    Software and hardware are NOT lame. I run programs like Adobe After Effects CS5.5, Final Cut ProX and other good, not lame or slim programs.

    Gaming and Graphics? Come on? You can game, good games. Not amazing big complex games, but games run on macs. Even the high-graphic somewhat-complex ones. But if you are living your entire life gaming and want to buy a computer only for gaming, get a PC. I personally use computers for work. I don’t know about you guys. Graphics are amazing. They are better than most PCs in fact. I’m not sure but I think they will be using the technique they used on the New iPad to cram in a TON more pixels and then there won’t be any crying about graphics… not that there should be any now.

    Macs are customizable. It’s true. It’s also true that it is harder to customize than a PC, but it is still customizable. Macs are customizable and flexible.

    Anyway, as I said before, this website is too old to be trusted or talked about. Leave it alone already.

  465. Well. I am leaving this conversation now because it has taken up a lot of my time and gone nowhere. I still stand by my opinion (which is, PCs are not terrible, but Macs are the best.).

  466. “You can also build All-in-one PC’s and Mini-PC’s. But I never build them myself so I wouldn’t know.”

    But I never built them myself, so I wouldn’t know how long it will take.*

  467. You can also build All-in-one PC’s and Mini-PC’s. But I never build them myself so I wouldn’t know.

  468. Build time also varies on:
    Motherboard layout and size. (Ex. ATX, mATX.)
    The type of tower Full Tower, Mid-Tower, Bottom mount, Top Mount, Cable management, front ports, number of fans, placement of fans, size of fans, air cooling or liquid cooling.

  469. Ok, just wondering. All desktops? (I’m not going anywhere with it.)

  470. I don’t know where you are going with this. But I enjoy building computers. So the time it takes to make one is not a con for me at all, its under my list of pros.

    anywhere*

  471. Depends if I order the parts or get them in person.

    If I ordered them 2-3 days for the shipping and 30minutes to put the parts together about an hour for the installation of the OS, the drivers and updates.

    If I go in person, 15 Minutes to the store. 10-20 minutes to select the parts I want.

    Then 30 minute build time and 60 minutes for OS and drivers.

    So any ware between 2 – 73.5 hours.

  472. How much time, in hours, does it take you to build a computer? Including the time it takes to get all the parts?

  473. “Yeah. Because you always have to buy a new one probably.”

    I have owned 3 PC’s through out my life. Built all 3 of them. All 3 are still working like new.

    My current one I built Last month. I gave my 6 year old PC to my little brother, and my 4 year old one to my older sister.

    You are just ignorant and have no understanding of computers. You probably have no experience or research to back up your claims. You are just an idiot or a troll.

  474. PCs rock! Had mine for 2 months now and haven’t had to take it to th fixingplace at all. Shut up all you Mac ppl!

    SPAMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

    RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    “Absolutely, I have yet to contradict myself. Nice spot btw. Im sure Rawr already figured this out.”
    Yup. I admit I’ve done the same thing too.
    “No, I can minimize, ghost it, quit it, hide it or whatever I want. If I want to keep the program open but I don’t have anything to do at the immediate moment then I can- such as Mail, Word/Pages etc. Ghosting is useful at times and I can quit the process just as quickly.”
    Windows progs don’t always give you the option to ghost but most of the time it isn’t a option not to ghost on Mac’s. I admit Ghosting can be useful, but it is very bad for people who think all of their Mac programs just close when they press the red dot. At least I know for a fact when I hit the X the prog closes, and if it doesn’t, it will go in the tray, and let me know that it has gone to the tray.
    But I don’t need a third party program to close anything in windows. Apple is supposed to make things easy right? Well they try, but when they take away your choice they just make the easy things annoying.
    “No, I’m sure it does.”
    “No, no it doesn’t”
    It does. Period. Depending on the program it may sometimes leave the start menu folder there, but thats just a empty folder. But it always deletes whats in the install location, unless you had the program running while uninstalling it.
    I will also have you note that the installs and uninstalls are most often 3rd party made. If the install/uninstaller does something unwanted that is not Windows fault.
    I will bring up OCing again. Over Clocking (OC) is mostly *ssociated with gamers. But OCing your CPU can be very useful for programs that are very taxing on the CPU. Such as: Multitasking, Video Editing software, Graphics design, and more.
    And people like TREVOR and Apple claim it is best for these operations, Yet no Apple computer can OC. I did research and not even a 3rd party programs can break the OC lock on Mac’s. OC is another Useful, High Tech, Innovative, and Convent technology Apple isn’t capable of using.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    From J_Sparrow:
    Hi,
    This may be a bit of a troll….
    Check this page out :- apple,com/why-mac/
    Apple outrageous statement 1:-
    “the Apple mac is designed to be a better computer”
    My question… A better computer then what? a circa 2005 PC?
    Apple outrageous statement 2:-
    “It comes with software you’ll love to use”
    My counter statement; well, my brother went to work abroad and he got a free apple mac from the place he works, he can not stand it and is going to spend £1000 on a normal PC rather then use the £1100 apple mac the gave him for free. He said the software is hopless for what he wants to do, and it freezes for upto 20minutes a time with no reason or error often.
    Apple outrageous statement 3:-
    “It comes with the worlds most advanced OS”
    Really? its that much better then windows 7? how, and who ‘measured’ this to work out it was ‘most advanced’??
    Apple outrageous statement 4:-
    “It runs office and works with your existing PC files”
    So hang on a minute? I’m confused, It uses traditional PC software right? Kind of like a PC does….
    Apple outrageous statement 5:-
    “Its compatible with stuff”
    “stuff”…. seriously, “stuff”?!?! You can can plug things in and they work, my PC can do that and 9 times out of 10 i dont have to use an install disc or anything, Windows 7 sorts everything out for me.. So again, it does what a PC has been doing for decades.
    Apple outrageous statement 6:-
    “It doesn’t get PC viruses”
    Well PC’s don’t get mac viruses but read this Quote from an artical in ‘the inquirer’
    “Tyler Reguly, a senior security research engineer with Ncircle told the newnewinternet that if you take a look at the two platforms, and the mindsets of the companies behind them, then the Windows PC wins hands down. He said that the Mac ships with more exploitable vulnerabilities already on a system when it is delivered. Further, Eric Johanson, a security researcher pointed out that the Mac OS X has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows.
    However Apple is also actually more insecure because of the attitude of its customers. A computer’s security, if it exists, is only as good as the user. Unfortunately in the case of the Mac the user is a smug, technologically illiterate person who believes they are invulnerable because they use a Mac. Such people randomly press buttons, visit sites that sensible people don’t and download things carelessly because Apple’s marketing tells them they are safe.”
    Apple outrageous statement 7:-
    “It’s loaded with the latest technology, {snip}… powerful graphics bring the latest 3D games to life..”
    this is a lie, kind of proves how dumb apple mac customers are if they buy one to play games with.
    Best Apple Statement:-
    “It runs Windows and Windows applications”
    Oh, hang on, why would anyone want to run windows on it if it comes with the most advanced operating system already installed….. BUT if you did put windows on then you would have a PC, only more g4y looking. And not as fast or upgradable etc…
    RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    Again I ask, Why Aluminum? I can only think because its cheap.
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel
    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too. Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong but they go with the weak and heavy material? Make sense to you?
    And why get Intel CPU’s but then AMD GPU’s. Its been proven that NVIDIA cards work better with Intel, rather then AMD. And AMD is cheaper then NVIDIA.
    So why does this company who boasts to have the best computers in the world, always pick the cheap option.
    MARK SAYS:
    March 31, 2012 at 7:51 am
    while at bestbuy…
    overheard a salesman telling customer, if you are careful you dont need antivirus like on windows. mac dont get virus, they only get trojan. wtf. once there is a risk of compromizing a system via a trojan, you already need an antivirus. i mean is like you dont get a,b,c… (std) by sleeping with him, but you only get z by sleeping with him. why not use protection? but sadly, choice of protection is very little on mac since security powerhouses are focusing first defences on win platform dedicating secondary resources on mac like everything else in life – flash, java, games, drivers, browsers, printers all seems to run better on the primary platform windows. so please dont try to kid the rest of the world with your nonsense.
    tried the imac 27 inch. doesnt do it for me. first, global menu is a waste of mouse motion especially with a small apps like calculator.
    compounding to problem, mouse acceleration is slow compared to win/linux. please do not suggest 3rd party software to change acceleration. going that route, we might as well install a 3rd party software to remove global menu. ubuntu hack firefox to use global menu does not do it for me neither. i am using a 22″ monitor. so on larger screen, i reckon local menus are better for me.
    not to start a war, but i hate excessive mouse movements. at the end of TIRED day of working, i dont want to drag a file from one corner of large screen to a trash icon. i dont want to use keyboard shortcuts to cut and paste, etc. i want to LIBERATE my left hand for a cup of coffee and use right hand to right-mouse click to delete files. is that too hard for mac users to understand.
    everytime you tell a mac user you cant used feature x, they will tell you can use the other extra limb to do feature x by pressing button y+z. very typical of mac users.
    you tell them one thing, they will tell you another way which is more involving (extra limb and 2 finger gymnastic). eg. i hate min,max,close button on left. mac users will tell you – who uses it anymore? – cmd +x.
    or flash is a no-show on ipad, html5 is the future. but i live in present, half the websites videos dont work without flash. compounding the problem html5 video is divided to h264 for ie,safari, and theora,webm for the others. fragmentation is gonna hampered adoption.
    third scrolling a webpage using safari is sluggish compared to scrolling with firefox on linux and windows. i know it is not same browser. not my computer, cant install anything in bestbuy. but i thought safari is the premiere browser on mac.
    to recap, not impressed other than Aesthetics exterior and interior (icons are beautiful). to me pc all the way. ubuntu is gone for me too. global menu and top left buttons
    CHEESE SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 12:38 am
    I read quite a few comments at first, but then I started noticing just how many there were on this page. Once I started scrolling down, I then realized again just how long ago this article and many comments were written. So after skimming for a bit, I just went straight to the bottom.
    Did JJ turn into Rawr? I noticed JJ stopped commenting and Rawr kind of picked up with his sarcastic comments.
    As I was reading through this article, I found myself chuckling out loud. I don’t think I have yet to read an article that was quite as cynical and sneering. I found the combination of the satire with the slight truths in the arrogant claims to be quite humorous. I think there was a poster near the beginning that said something about the satire (Raven something or another). I think a good number of people are taking this thing too seriously.
    There were four types of comments I saw over and over.
    1. People would try to argue every point made in the article with super detailed, lengthy explanations. Usually this was shrugged off by JJ with a short, sarcastic comment. Other times he’d take the time to respond with more detail, usually still involved sarcasm.
    2. People would insult the author’s behavior by acting in the same exact insulting fashion.
    3. People would put a combination of cussing, all caps, spamming, and whatever else to tell every putting up comment to stop arguing and to shut up. Usually these comments would say something about the author or everyone having no life. The only reason all these people exist is to argue over something stupid like computers.
    I think to myself, “This person is taking the time to argue with people that have no lives… over the issue of arguing about something pointless?”
    4. Finally there were the people with negative Mac experiences that would agree with the author. They usually received high fives from JJ.
    Those were my impressions of this article and the following comments. Now I’ll respond to a couple of the points made in the article.
    1. I thought this was pretty funny. I get this sort of impression of Mac users all the time. Keep in mind that most of my experience with Mac (and its users) comes from online. Typically I see these people through articles, blogs, forums, etc. Mac vs Windows arguments come up constantly in these venues. From my experiences, quite a hefty percentage of Mac users that take the time to put their opinions on the internet are:
    1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
    2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general
    2. I don’t think the brand name is worth quite as much as what Apple slaps on the price tags. Although, if one day I decide Windows isn’t doing it for me anymore, I don’t think the price will slow me down too much from purchasing a Mac.
    6. I’ve never really liked that dock thing. I think it’s a bit obnoxious.
    8. I’ve always been wary of the limitations I’d have being on a Mac exclusively. I’ll likely have a Windows machine if I ever do get a Mac, so it shouldn’t be too big a deal.
    10. I’m generally one to favor as much configuration as possible to get things how I like them. That’s actually something that’s drawn me toward some Linux distros, but they seem to take too much time to get simple things accomplished.
    CHEESE SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 1:05 am
    In this comment I’ll give the three reasons I don’t use a Mac.
    It seems that pretty much everyone agreed in the earlier comments that Windows was the gaming OS. I think this still holds true today. I do love my games, so that’s been the main thing keeping me with Windows.
    I honestly don’t have a ton of experience on Macs. Most of what I know is through what I’ve read online. I did use a Macbook fairly recently and enjoyed the way the Spaces worked. I was first exposed to the Virtual Desktops feature when messing around with Ubuntu. I later tried out a few pieces of Windows freeware, but it wasn’t quite as good to me. I think the way the Spaces work on a Mac are probably better than what I saw on Ubuntu. However, the thing that really impressed me was the multi-touch gestures you could use to navigate the Spaces. I liked the idea of separating navigation from the keyboard. While keyboard shortcuts weren’t difficult to use to change desktops, I liked the 3-finger-flick much better.
    I say all this about Virtual Desktops because that’s another thing keeping me from leaving Windows right now. That might seem strange at first, but I’m waiting to see what Windows 8 has to offer. They seem to be going all out with touchscreen interfacing and related technologies. This makes me think that Windows should be getting on board with all the multi-touch gestures and related features. I really liked that 3-finger-flick virtual desktop setup on Macs, so Windows 8 better have something similar or better…
    So the first thing keeping me on Windows is gaming. Something Windows has that Mac doesn’t. The second thing is something Mac has and Windows doesn’t… but Windows may have in the not too distant future. The third thing keeping me with Windows is something I can’t stand about Macs, particularly Macbooks. There’s no right button! I’ve complained about this lack of a feature with Macs to a few people, and they start telling me of all these ways I can do a right click. There’s no way it’s as efficient using any of those methods as it is physically clicking the right button.
    I haven’t used anything but a laptop touchpad for a few years now. I mentioned that I like gaming. One particular game I like is World of Warcraft. Pretty much everyone knows what this game is or has heard about it. I played that game with a touchpad, and it would be near impossible to do the same thing with an Apple trackpad.
    1. Click the bottom right side of the trackpad – If you click right where right clicks start registering, you don’t always get a right click. To ensure a right click, you need to click a little further to the right. This means your finger has to travel further to do a right click. Also, the entire trackpad moves when you click, so that interferes a tad with the regular left clicking. This method just seems really clunky.
    2. Tap with two fingers – I’ve always hating anything that used tapping on a touchpad. The first thing I do when I use a new touchpad is turn off “tap to click”. I find you’re much more likely to have misclicks when tapping. It’s just too inconsistent compared to clicking an actual button.
    On top of the problems with tapping itself, there’s no way to drag with the right click tap. I was told I could drag a left click by double tapping with one finger. Something like that may exist for the right click dragging. Waiting for this double tap to register so I can drag the cursor is just absurd.
    3. Hold CTRL and click – Holding one button down while clicking another button can never be equal to or better than clicking a single button. Even though it’s not hard, you’re now using two hands to do something a single finger should be able to do.
    On top of the added complexity, this method screws you up when you need your left hand for clicking keys while you use the right clicks. When playing a game like World of Warcraft, you are constantly clicking many keys with the left hand. Often times, the keys you’re clicking are used in conjunction with the CTRL key itself. Now things get really complicated.
    I have yet to see what I think is a valid reason for the trackpad not having a right click button. Yes, when you’re not doing something as intensive as gaming, the trackpad right click options are feasible. However, I feel like I’m downgrading in technology by using the trackpad for my right clicks. I thought newer technology was supposed to bring greater efficiency and ease of use. Not having a right button seems backwards to me.
    When software stops requiring right clicks to do things, I’ll stop worrying about a right click. Until then, I can’t stand not having a specific button for right clicking.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 3:47 am
    Unfortunately I didn’t start burning my time here until JJ left, or died, or whatever happened to him.
    I’m just wondering what happened to Steve. Also congrats(?) to WOW for staying here so long. People like Tucansam, and Redline would of caved by now and made an exit with some petty comment.
    MEH SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    You can’t fall for “delete System 32″ on a Mac.
    But other than that… meh
    RYAN SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!
    MARC SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.
    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm
    “Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.
    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.”
    “SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!”
    Perfect example of the majority of Mac users.
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 12:14 am
    As a long time user of every platform available, I can speak to some of this lifetime long argument. I currently own a late 2009 MacBook and a newer Pro running Snow Leopard and Lion. To add, I own one Linux device and 5 Windows 7 devices, 3 of which are x64 and the other two are x32 machines I upgraded to win7.
    I will leave my Linux thoughts out of this because it is more a utility to me than anything. I have seen the growth of both Apple and the PC based devices over the last 30 years, starting as a 14 year old with a father that was heavy into computing before having a computer at home was possible.
    The author has a lot of truth in his post, most of the things he mentioned have been a nuisance to myself and others at one time or another. I won’t get into every detail, but from a high level over the years I have come to know for a fact that the second Apple releases anything, it is far more expensive than comparable PC offerings. That is hard fact and cannot be argued. The thing is, Apple is at war with many makers, that use similar hardware, many times newer and more powerful. Those companies rely on Windows and once they have their OEM license, they brand it and add their own touches to it, which often turns out to be useless and even annoying. Sure, there might be a cool add in once in a while, but I am the guy that buys a PC, takes it out of the box and wipes the drive so I can load Windows on it clean, in it’s pure form.
    I do this because I have learned that in the past, running a make like Dell, HP or Sony will eventually fail in some way or under perform due to “bloat ware”. I can promise this, that any PC with a retail load of straight Windows will be every bit as stable if not more than any Mac which is packaged with the software that Apple designed to work with their hardware. MS is genius, Billy boy made his OS work on EVERYTHING, somehow while maintaining the mistakes by the idiot who uses it. No, you don’t typically need to ever mention the word “driver ” with a Mac, but then again, it was delivered as a packaged deal. Of course you don’t need anything like that, if MS built a computer of their own, it would be perfection, but that is not their business. So MS is relying on PC makers to build decent products so that the end user isn’t sitting there blasting Windows all day for something they didn’t even build. Throw in that guy who thinks he is a PC builder and MS is really sticking their neck out.
    But this is 2012, these days, a child can throw a Win7 disk in the drive and the chances are, that thing is going to work with minimal configuration. I built one machine, a nasty one to serve as the do all, video, music, m*ss storage, gaming, doc building device that be upgraded, restored and serve me for years. It was built with the cream of the cream hardware with money as no object and that system ran me a whopping 1100.00. Much less than my Pro and a little less than my MacBook with max memory and HD. I personally know OSx well enough that I can figure out a way to pretty much do everything on a Mac that my PCs do, but the problem is that I find myself having to figure out a way, rather than it just happening. It wasn’t always that way, but for a system that is supposed to be so robust, it is indeed the case.
    I think more people have problems with the smugness of the Mac “fanboy” more than they do the actual machine. Or the attack marketing, where Justin Long mentions a problem that is typically present in any computing platform like it doesn’t exist with a Mac. For all the folks here that argue the author isn’t truthful, there sure is a lot of BS coming from the Apple camp about the product MS offers. Many of the very things Apple uses as ammo are things they can’t avoid their own product from doing.
    Viruses? Malware? With 2 kids and a tech challenged wife, my home hasn’t seen a virus or anything malware like for years, not a single instance on any of the machines. They use them all, yet not a problem to be found. Fact is, aside from my 8 year old letting her Dell battery drain all the time and having it shut down, we haven’t had a single crash either. I cannot say the same for my MacBook, which once in a while presents me with ” you need to power off” and a frozen screen. That is rare, but it happens. Justin Long tells you it won’t though, then he tells you how the PC does while the Mac is so superior.
    To me, it is the image Apple tries to portray that annoys me more than anything. I truly enjoy using my computers, the Apple products I have owned the past 27 years have been great, but so have the PCs. These devices can do amazing things considering the cost. It is an awesome time to be able to see all of it grow. Every user is going to have a preference and no one wants to be told that they spent their hard earned money on an “inferior” product. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Function is found by needs and desire. These days, we are all getting the best of both. Maybe Apple will open up a little in the future, a lot of that was Steve Jobs and his very stubborn way of saying “I am going to give people what I want and people are going to like it” attitude. My favorite all around computer is my MacBook, running Win7 x64 under boot camp. Traveling with it solves a lot of problems, but that took creation from both ends of the spectrum and still doesn’t do everything.
    I leave this doc*mentary with a tidbit from one of Apple’s heroes, Steve Wozniak. While at a computing convention primarily focused on robotics in California, I had the pleasure of listening in to an unplanned interview he had where a man asked him what he thought about Microsoft and Bill Gates. His reply was complimentary, but near the end, he said “I wish they built better computers”. The interviewer followed up with “but Steve, Microsoft doesn’t build computers.”
    His reply? “oh yeah, that’s right.”
    Typed from my iPhone….
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 12:58 am
    @TECHNOJEDI
    Your comment needs to replace this article.
    LARS J SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    Only two types who buy Macs: Wannabe nerdy-types” and “Wannabe hipster-types” – is that right?
    So we bought our first Macs in 1993 for color scanning and digital imaging (there were no Windows PCs then that managed color). We went on to use our Macs to create over 28,000 published illustrations for various national publishers such as McGraw-Hill, Scholastic Books, and New Yorker.
    So which group do we fall into?
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 1:50 am
    @LARS J. Have you looked around every time you step into a store? Everyone uses PCs for their business. Seeing a handful of companies use macs and reading your story … it doesn’t impress me at all. Even if you watch that show “How It’s Made” every company uses PC. Even a lot of the machines that make our every day items are using Windows to program them.
    @RAWR. I was on vacation visiting family for the last couple weeks.
    SEMEN SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Well, you bought in 93 and hope you used it for several years (say 5), that puts you into the loser group. at 95-98, windows 95/98 users can work (cad,spreadsheet,publish,paint) and play directx/opengl games. mac at the era dont even use opengl. so all work, no play makes lars a dull loser. being a real minority at probably 1% stats, you are not only a loser but lonesome loser. hey, you ask which group knowing very well you paid expensive for a no-thrill computer.
    GHGHG SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 8:51 pm
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    MACSUCK SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 12:18 am
    I never have Mac but only thing I know it’s true is Mac doesn’t offer any flexibility to user!
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 8:50 am
    http://news.yahoo.com/more-600-000-macs-infected-flashback-malware-report-091608469.html
    Yep. It’s impossible for a mac to get a virus.
    GIBBS SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 9:56 am
    It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to pay $2000 for a 15″ Core i7 laptop with only 4 GB of RAM and 2 USB ports just because it’s aluminum and runs a customized version of Unix that has been rotting away for over a decade. The only thing Apple has done to OS X since it was first released is pack it full of useless features that few want and even fewer understand, like Versions and Launchpad. But what do you expect from a company that can’t even build a phone with a working antenna?
    Let me tell you, I may not be old, but I’ve been around long enough to have used every version of Windows and Mac OS since the early 90′s. I watched Apple as it grew, fell from glory, was bailed out, and made a comeback almost soley because of the iPod and iPhone. They fell behind in the desktop market back in the 90′s and, with the possible exception of OS X compared to Vista, they have never caught up since.
    Macs were a joke in the late 90′s and they’re a joke today. I *ssure you that Windows 7 beats Lion in almost every imaginable way. I use both regularly and there is simply no comparison — it makes Mac OS feel like a slow, outdated curiosity that’s trying to be more than the sum of its parts.
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    I think the OSx vs Vista thing was blown out of proportion. Vista was not the problem that Apple made it out to be. There were some hardware vendor related driver issues and the change in interface threw the average user for a loop. I remember Apple making fun of the UAC, when OSx had their own UAC running since the early versions. The difference was that Vista shipped with it being restrictive out of the box and made it very easy to change to suit any situation.
    My parents crapped when they first used Vista on their new machine, all it took was for me to put it in cl*ssic mode and they have been using it for years without a single complaint. It was also a resource hog, but then again, it shipped on computers with resources. No matter, Win 7 solved that problem in a big way. I installed it on a 2002 Dell C610 laptop with 512 ram and a 30g drive and a P3 processor, gave it to my mother in law and it has been flawless for 2 years now.
    OSx is fine, if that is what you want it will work great, but there is no way that anyone can argue it was better as a whole than Vista. That is the fruits of Apple’s marketing and a major change in UI to a public who doesn’t take to change very well. Remember when XP was released? There were folks that had issue with that and it turned out to be a pretty solid OS for a long time.
    Folks will pay more for a Mac because they actually believe the Apple hype. I use mine, but it surely doesn’t deserve some sort of praise for being “better”. There are those that think it actually makes them different and that different means they are elite. Those are the same people that think Jobs was a genius. That because they own a Mac, everything Steve Jobs said was true. That nifty packaging and gay commercials make a better computer. Bottom line is that it is still just a computer. When people are using a mouse, keyboard and monitor and paying alot more for the same hardware, they ate really paying a premium to use OSx. I did the math on hardware costs and what it would cost to build a Windows laptop with the exact same config as my Pro running Lion. If my math is correct, I paid nearly 800 dollars to have a copy of Lion.
    A lot of money for a closed system with no upgrade path.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 9:34 pm
    who the eff says aluminium is heavier than steel? You have never lifted or possibly even seen either of the metals if you think that. Why are planes made of aluminium? Because it is light and strong. Why go with aluminium? Because it is light and strong….it doesn’t rust… stainless steal requires more processing to achieve, can still rust depending on the quality and is freaking way heavier than aluminium!
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 12:26 am
    My mistake I looked further into it. I was wrong, Aluminum is lighter then steel. But Steel is stronger then Aluminum. As for rust you act like its in immediate danger of rust. I have ancient towers. (I collect old comps. [Don’t know if I said that before.]) And only a couple of them have rust. (One from 92 another from 97.)
    Also planes aren’t solely made out of Aluminum.
    Planes are made from a combination of;
    1. Aluminum
    2. Aluminum-Copper Alloy
    3. Zinc
    4. Carbon Fiber
    5. Reinforced Plastic
    6. Fiber Gl*ss
    7. Kevlar
    8. Titanium
    9. Stainless Steel
    10. Inconel
    The order has no meaning.
    Also, Aluminum does rust, its just not called rust. By definition rust can only happen to Iron and Steel but Aluminum has its own equivalent of rust.
    I believe its just called Aluminum Oxide.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    d00d all metals are prone to oxidation and most pure metals oxidize at room temperature. aluminium’s “oxidation” protects itself from further oxidation damage, so the fact that it oxidizes is irrelevant to the fact that it doesn’t rust. rust is the perpetual oxidation seen in some iron based alloys and of course pure iron.
    as far as strength, weight to strength ratio aluminium is stronger than some steels, not all, and the same goes for the steels….some aluminium alloys are stronger. Planes can be made of just about any alloy, they choose aluminium because of it’s particular weight to strength ratio, not because it’s cheaper than steel. Also most PCs are made of plastic if you want to get into the cheap discussion, and I still think steel of any kind is a bad choice for a laptop shell…seriously
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    *** I meant to say some steel alloys are stronger than aluminium ones***
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm
    I have a PC and its made of Steel and Aluminum, where did you get plastic from? Only plastic part it on the front and that’s replaceable.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    “The aluminum-vs-steel, strength-vs-weight issue is one that is commonly misunderstood, especially among jib makers, sometimes even among engineers.
    The misconception arises from the partial truth that there are aluminum alloys that are as strong as, or stronger than, steel. It’s more accurate to say that there are some aluminum alloys that are stronger than some steel alloys.”
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    Also PC may be made of plastic. But you act like its the same plastic that dollar store toys are made of.
    To be honest I don’t know why Laptops don’t have a Steel or Aluminum shell.
    It could be cost, heat issues. Rust is not a problem. Unless you plan on keeping your computer for more then 15 years and have it in a very humid climate.
    Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions. This is why Apple has a Plastic frame around their Aluminum ch*ssis.
    Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    I don’t see where this misconception of ‘Apple has better hardware quality’ is coming from.
    People never seem to bring proof of this, and when they try to explain it they describe the ‘feel’, the ‘look’, and other emotionally inspired nonsense.
    Or when asked for proof they ignore the request or just stop commenting.
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    The “Apple has better hardware quality” bs comes from apple commercials. Nothing else. apple users are so stupid they can’t do any research or back up anything they say.
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    apple users can’t think for themselves. They listen to all the hype. Of course if you go to an apple store they will tell you apple is better.
    KID BED SHEETS SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    Excellent site you have here but I was curious about if you knew of any forums that cover the same topics talked about here? I’d really love to be a part of community where I can get suggestions from other experienced individuals that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Many thanks!
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    see I wasn’t talking about making a jib, I was talking about making a plane. And their is a good reason why they use aluminium,not because it is cheap, but because for what a plane needs for strength and weight, the aluminium alloy is strong enough and lighter than it would be if they used steel, so they save money in gas by making the plane lighter….
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    and d***it i said most PC laptops are made of plastic, not all. it is dependant on the manufacturer. Sony loves to use aluminium for their shells. Go to Best Buy right now and you will see that the majority of the shells are made of plastic. You:
    “Again I ask, Why Aluminum? I can only think because its cheap. (PC MANUFACTURERS USE PLASTIC WHICH IS DEFINITELY CHEAPER THAN ANY METAL, SO WHAT!!)
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST)
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel (WRONG)
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel (WRONG)
    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too(AT A BIG COST). Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong(ALUMINIUM IS THE PERFECT SOLUTION FOR THIS) but they go with the weak and heavy material(WRONG….BAD FACTS)? Make sense to you? (NO YOU DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE)”
    It doesn’t make any sense to use steel, you want a light laptop not a steel beast. Stainless steel being more expensive doesn’t make it better…just harder to make. Aluminium is just the better choice for a laptop, you don’t have to do anything to it to keep it from rusting, its lighter, and although it doesn’t have a lot of lustre, it looks decent and since most PC’s use the much much cheaper alternative of a plastic shell, they can stand out against the plastic PC’s
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    “Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired”
    Yes it can, but do you really want to sand, prime and put a clear top coat (or colour of your choice) your pc laptop shell? Then repeat this every time it gets scratched and starts rusting again…..jebus man
    BRUTAL TRUTH SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm
    steve’s on the money. most people who have an understanding of computer technology, and especially the process marketing that technology, will tell u that apple are actually selling u a badge/brand, not a new piece of groundbreaking, quality tech that has been rigorously tested and re-tested. why do u think the whole apple campaign has that “we’re carefree, edgy, dancing silhouettes on a pastel background” feel to it. i’ll tell u why… because they know that they have a sub-standard product that they know they have to aggressively push to get “sales momentum”, and in advertising if u cant use the specs to promote the product, then u have to resort to the ego, and thats how we end up with apple ads consisting of silhouettes of young people “dancing like no-ones watching”. U see, that whole “care-free” bit is the hook. young people see those ads and think its cool, and its these trend buyers who will go out and (or more often than not, make their parents) spend ridiculous amounts of dollars on a piece of tech without even researching the specs and seeing what other products are actually out there. and thats where we’re at with the iphone vs android debacle. Android is far and away the better piece of tech on all levels, yet u still see teens cuing up for the next iphone (which is pretty much no different from the last iphone)…actually, i think the last iphone had some issues with several screens exploding when taken on short flights (and i mean 45minute regional flights). substandard tech + cheap and crappy parts = kablooey…iphone…. the happy meal toy in a smart phone world. ; )
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 10:17 pm
    “Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions”—-are you kidding me? have you ever seen bare steel in a humid environment? or shoot even steel that hasn’t been painted well that has been exposed to any elements. I have a small unpainted/treated aluminium fishing boat. For 40 years it has sat its happy *** in water, been rained on snowed on, scratched, kicked mistreated, and has shown little to no corrosion if this had been bare steel it wouldn’t even exist unless i had maintained constant care.
    “Aluminum owes its excellent corrosion resistance and its usage as one of the primary metals of commerce to the barrier oxide film that is bonded strongly to its surface and, that if damaged, re-forms immediately in most environments.
    On a surface freshly abraded and then exposed to air, the barrier oxide film is only 1 nm thick but is highly effective in protecting the aluminum from corrosion.
    The natural film can be visualized as the result of a dynamic equilibrium between opposing forces-those tending to form compact barrier layer and those tending to break it down.”
    read around, you have to try to corrode aluminium, it needs a strong base or acid o do so along with some constant long term neglect to corrode aluminium, for the use of a laptop shell you would really have to mess something up to cause any substantial/noticeable corrosion…
    stop comparing aluminium with steel in regards to corrosion,they aren’t even on the same league let alone playing field
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    Did you read any of my other comments?
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST) I wasn’t talking about plastic.
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel (WRONG) No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel.
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel (WRONG) Depends on the grade. Some is heavier then Steel.
    You are obviously underestimating the quality of steel.
    “NO YOU DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE” ignorant people normally cant understand anything other then their own opinion so its understandable.
    All your saying depends on the grade of Aluminum and Steel. So we are both right and wrong. This argument will go no ware so I’ll end it here.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 1:04 am
    Aluminium is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST) I wasn’t talking about plastic.
    I know you aren’t talking about plastic but you said MAC people talk about the superiority of the product, you try to denounce by saying “why use aluminium in a product when its such a cheap metal” (paraphrasing) then you go on about how aluminium is cheaper, heavier, and weaker. although you are right in saying lbs for lbs steel is stronger, that doesn’t make it practical or better for a laptop!!! or anything computer related. So I say, aluminium is better than plastic (arguable), plastic is cheaper and has the appearance of lower quality than metal. PC’s use plastic which is extremely cheap, can be very fragile, has a vastly larger range of quality, and temperament with age and exposure to the sun causing weakness and brittleness in plastics when compared to commercial grade aluminium. Therefore aluminium is a sign of a higher quality construction compares to plastics (which most PCs use). You shouldn’t be basing any arguments that MACS aren’t quality products because they chose to make the shells of laptops out of aluminium.
    I can’t resist ignorant talk (you) so I come and tell you its not heavier (3X lighter actually) and that simply saying steel is stronger isn’t entirely the truth. then you go on about aluminium’s corrosion (couldn’t help but notice you didn’t respond to how wrong you were about that) which is more ignorance…
    I will concede this one point, steel is stronger.
    stainless steel does not easily corrode
    steel corrodes VERY easily (eg. cars, steel hardware, steel anything!!!!)
    aluminium is does not corrode easily (eg. macbook cases, sony cases, my aluminium boat, soda cans, aluminium foil….do you need more examples??)
    now for your “some aluminium alloys are heavier than steal”
    I can use your logic (as you used with the strength issue):
    “No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel.”
    Here is how I apply your ‘logic’ with the density comparison:
    lowest grade steel is heavier than lowest grade aluminium highest grade aluminium is lighter than highest grade steel.
    Or I can use REAL logic:
    Aluminium is already 3X lighter than steel, you can’t make an alloy of aluminium (you say grade but you actually mean alloy. grade has do with purity of refined metal) denser than an alloy of steel unless you mix it with a metal that is denser than steel! and even then it would have to make up the majority of the alloy to overcome how light aluminium already is. Or unless you make a steel alloy with a metal greater than 3X less the density of steel, and again that metal would have to make up the majority of the alloy. Show me this alloy, then show me the practicality of its use. YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN
    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-alloys-densities-d_50.html
    here you can see densities of metals and alloys and how hard it would be to make a steel alloy lighter than an aluminium one and vice versa and even if one did make such an alloy what is its practical use and does it have anything to do with PCs AND MACBOOKS!!!! lastly you are the king troll here keep up the good work
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    Cool story bro.
    Moving on, or you still wanna shout some more?
    Ether way you are wrong, but idc anymore.
    Topic has gone to far off track, not gonna help you build a new station.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    doityourself,com/forum/fences-gates/451189-steel-vs-aluminum.html#b
    I’m sure these people will enjoy your company.
    I didn’t look to hard, because I’m sure you already have one to ‘argue’ on.
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    @RAWR. Took the words out of my mouth. Way off track.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    like I said i couldn’t help dismantle your ignorant thoughts when you expressed them the way you did….then you followed up with more ignorance….and you are wrong about everything you said….how are you so stupid that you don’t see this? or are you too proud to admit it? you have cluttered this forum with more useless sh** (and a lot of wrong sh**) more than anybody else. you make me sad for humanity….off track or not
    SRK SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    Here is my composite list of ignorant things you have said that sucked me down to your level(all of which are wrong!):
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel–way to complicated to discuss here, but not really true
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel–effing really wrong…upon further research aluminium is one of the least dense metals
    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too. Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong but they go with the weak and heavy material? Make sense to you?—-this is my favorite
    Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions—jesus this is so wrong i mean i thought it was common knowledge that steel rusts and for most uses aluminium doesn’t corrode at all
    Also planes aren’t solely made out of Aluminum—true but the parts that count are, so the metal must be pretty strong,light and rust proof
    Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired–wow…anyway….unless the metal you use doesn’t rust
    No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel—again too complicated for you or me
    ignorant people normally cant understand anything other then their own opinion so its understandable.—the irony is hilarious (see most of your posts and especially the ones above)
    if you re-read my original comment, that started this rant I just made fun of that fact that you said aluminium is cheap and heavier than steel because I thought it was common knowledge that aluminum is cheap because of it’s abundance not because of quality, and that it is lighter than steel. you followed with so much stupidity thereafter I feel like you just trolled me along…and i still do…or perhaps you are just stupid
    but truly am sorry for the topic change…i hate macs there…
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:00 am
    I already admitted I was wrong about the weight. And how did I show any ignorance before this Aluminum thing? Why does this bother you so much? Is it because you know of nothing else but that?
    Pull the Aluminum stick out of your *ss and shut the f*ck up.
    I am not wrong about most of the post I put of Aluminum. If anything my source is to blame, It told me that Aluminum is heavy junk (As a joking example then it went in depth.)
    I don’t see how you proved me wrong on any of the other matters.
    I don’s see how getting the fact that under certain conditions Aluminum can be heavier then steel. I am not wrong about Aluminum being more corrosive then steel. It is YOU who does not want to admit that you are wrong. (If I am in fact wrong, again blame my sources as well as bring me substantial proof that you are right.)
    Also how does being wrong about one thing make my other statements ignorant?
    Still sounds like your the ignorant one here.
    I don’t need to see most of my post because I wrote them all. Again Ignorant people cant understand the truth. Ignorant people use their own logic.
    “Here is how I apply your ‘logic’ with the density comparison”
    “Or I can use REAL logic”
    I only know of one type of logic, there aren’t other forms. Just the Truth and a Lie. And if you see more then one, then you must be using the lie.
    Also I never made a density comparison.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:04 am
    “Also I never made a density comparison.”
    Mistake.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:15 am
    “like I said i couldn’t help dismantle your ignorant thoughts when you expressed them the way you did”
    I was wrong really? Like with what? The weight of aluminum? Congratz you wasted time trying to dismantle my statement that I made a while ago and only managed to ‘prove’ me wrong on one point.
    “then you followed up with more ignorance”
    Really? How so? By stating facts I obtained from research?
    “and you are wrong about everything you said”
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel- Right
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel- Right
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel- Wrong
    I don’t think 1 out of 3 qualifies as everything.
    “and you are wrong about everything you said….how are you so stupid that you don’t see this?”
    I cant see whats not there. Lend me your fog machine, so I can see what you see.
    “you have cluttered this forum with more useless sh** (and a lot of wrong sh**) more than anybody else.”
    Didn’t know one time was considered clutter. If once gets you this mad then I cant wait until you start on everyone else. Oh wait they didn’t talk about Aluminum…
    “you make me sad for humanity…”
    You make me sad too. Didn’t know someone could get so pissed off over something so small.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:22 am
    Here an award *Hands SRK an award* For knowing noting that was discussed on this topic other then Aluminum.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 1:28 am
    d*mnit man, read what i just wrote, i listed all the comments that you made that were ignorant, about the planes, about the corrosion, about being able to fix rust, the weight (i say the density because that is the right word not weight…which again points out more of your own ignorance). all you had to say was whoops im an idiot aluminum is the least dense metal used for commercial construction and support structures, and its not real a sign of cheap quality although it is cheaper to produce, and I would have shut the f*ck up. but you didn’t you continued to argue your stupid point the same as I did,
    as my last post points out, you continued with more and more and, still now, more stupidity and troll bait…the only thing im sad for in myself is getting trolled by an idiot like you, please please continue to wallow in your stupidity and reign as supreme king (queen?) troll and take the STEEL d*ldo that is in YOUR *SS and beat yourself over your head with it until your happy…if you want to call me out for obnoxious rants…your were right there toe to toe dancing with me the whole time, so you are talking about yourself as well.
    some more troll bait for you; here is why saying density is correct and weight isn’t:
    DENSITY is a physical property of matter, as each element and compound has a unique density *ssociated with it. Density defined in a qualitative manner as the measure of the RELATIVE “heaviness” of objects with a CONSTANT VOLUME.
    so saying steel weighs more than aluminum isn’t technically correct(if you don’t like that go take an entry level college physics cl*ss), saying it is more dense is a more correct statement
    and again, i have no affinity for aluminum, i could give a f*ck less, i just know i got trolled by you…good day sir or ma’am
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 1:52 am
    let me simplify
    your were wrong first about the weight/density and the implication that aluminum is a poor quality metal
    then about it being more corrosive than steel in humid conditions
    the rest is just semantics
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 2:08 am
    ill do this thread a favour…
    Macs suck, they are overated overhiped overpriced and well marketed to tools who’s view of them using the coolest looking tech gadget is more important than the actual usefullness or value. They put out a mediocre product for an outrageous price.
    It took Windows along time to become a mature robust secure OS, but it is that. Their business model is also what allowed the market and world to become what it is today, everyone should thank bill for that. without the microsoft software license model, and their desire to only make a good OS not the entire computer, allowed for the hardware market to explode, it allowed for capitalism to flourish, and in the end created a more flexible, and customisable product.
    As opposed to the Apple model which closely guards and controls all of its software and hardware, preferring the proprietary model instead of the universal model, which windows used. It’s gimmicky and relatively useless features that is loves to boast are just that, useless. It should be no contest…windows ownz apple in just about every way except for douchebag appeal
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 2:20 am
    the obvious downfalls to allowing hardware vendors to make the hardware as in the case with windows based PC’s is the driver issues….these are not actually windows problems rather, the hardware vendor’s for making a crappy driver. windows upgrades to make thing incompatible doesn’t help though. but the sacrifice is worth the capital reward, all your tech related jobs can probably be traced to the decision of windows staying out of the hardware business.
    In terms of quality of OS/hardware in macs and PCs, I think Macs put out a quality product in terms of life of hardware. With the PC, you have choice of manufacturer and some are better than others, but I have had an ASUS eeepc for two years, no issues with anything. I also own a tower that I ‘built’ and have had for for years, nothing, and must repeat nothing has broken, and it was a lot cheaper than the equivalent MBP. And even nothing broke, the stuff I wanted to upgrade, say, video card…I upgraded for 150 bucks, and 10 minutes of work to install. Instantly a better computer for games and graphics related processing. Can’t do that with a MAC….that’s all im saying
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 2:23 am
    rawr! is it too late to say im sorry and forget this sh**
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 3:27 am
    “i listed all the comments that you made that were ignorant, about the planes, about the corrosion, about being able to fix rust, the weight”
    I have nothing to be sorry for. I wasn’t wrong about the planes. You implied they where made of nothing but aluminum I just corrected you.
    I’m not sure about the corrosion, if you have so much confidence that I’m wrong then please bring proof. Just your word, if that’s all that was needed then we are both right.
    You CAN fix rust, so I don’t know what you mean there. weight and density go hand and hand if something is dense it will most likely be heavy.
    I already admitted to being wrong about the weight when you first pointed it out, so I don’t see the problem.
    P.S. You done yet? ; )
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 3:39 am
    Stopped being lazy, and looked more into the corrosion thing. My source was comparing Stainless Steel vs Aluminum.
    To be honest I didn’t even look that far into it.
    Anyway I was wrong about two things, you happy?
    You still over reacted, and are still being ignorant about the other things I was -by your standards- wrong about.
    UNDERBED STORAGE BOXES SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 4:55 am
    Good day! I could have sworn I’ve been to this website before but after checking through some of the post I realized it’s new to me. Nonetheless, I’m definitely happy I found it and I’ll be bookmarking and checking back often!
    APPLE WELDS EM SHUT (BLACKBOX) SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 7:27 am
    Apple is likely known for blackboxing their products (ie, sealing them shut and making them hard to open/dis*ssemble accept by their own guys @ the Apple Store (But wait, the MBA is completely welded shut! Even Apple can’t open their own products!)
    Alright, now that we got that past, let’s get some !#/bin/sh straight.
    (Tooken from iFans forums, that came from a long way – It’s a long story.)
    pple is going to run-down their company and ruin the Mac as we know it. When Mac OS X 10.9 comes out, who knows what Apple will be doing by then. Changing the works, setting restrictions from their headquarters in Cupertino, to try to control what you can and can’t do, which will cause famous non-Apple apps on your Mac to stop working, such as:
    • CleanMyMac.
    • iStat Server.
    • Skype for Mac.
    • Microsoft Office + Office Suite 2011 (Well it will stay, but many features requiring system-level access may be revoked, it will be smacked-around by Apple, so to speak).
    All these apps will simply not run, because they are not ‘Apple Approved’ applications. Along with Mac OS X 10.8 +/10.9 / possible OS XI (11) coming out, they might be even more restricted. Here’s where the crap comes, it sounds crazy, but listen. Apple will may start encrypting all updates and use SSL for every transfer (they probably already do) due to ‘security’ of course, they may or may not starting locking the OS from external connection, e.g. A Windows PC can’t connect to a Mac via Network Shares, etc…
    Crap that may or may not happen:
    • • • Apple will seal off their Macs. I mean sure Modifying your computer is great, but really, why would you want to go to an Apple store anytime there is something wrong with your Mac, or you need to install new RAM and stuff? Only Apple-Approved RAM. Have you also heard about Apple screwing in and making batteries non-user replaceable? Well, that’s happened to the MacBook Air, the the original MacBook, hell, why not the MBP?
    • • • Terminal is a no-no! Yes, everyone LOVES the Terminal and Unix commands, I mean who does not? Every Unix/Linux nerd loves geeking with Unix! But Uh-Oh. Here comes Apple the king of their software. They’ve decided terminal is a no-no and Nobody wants them re-modding their Macs back to freedom of 3rd Party apps and free source. What happend to freedom anymore?
    • • • Restrictions, Restrictions, Restrictions, baby! Just like on the iPhone, iPod and all other iDevices, their devices will be fully-restricted and no external access to them will be allowed, heaven forbid we steal Apple’s source! Only Apps that are allowed here on Apple’s OSX, are iTunes/App Store Approved and installed ones, but the truth actually could be that 3rd party Apps are still allowed, but although, the bad side is that People will most likely upload these iTunes stolen apps up on uTorrent or something, then everybody who has a Mac could get a free, say; $50 App for free, say, (Just an example!) PhotoPro for Mac v.2.12, and you don’t have to pay, you just download and ‘click and drag’ to your Applications folder. No (App store) Apps will run on your Mac unless they are hooked with the same UUID, and aren’t blacklisted by Apple (yes, they can! see http://www.intomobile.com/2008/08/07/apple-can-blacklist-and-remotely-disable-applications-on-your-iphone/) and having to use a restricted computer that can only do things the company wants it to do would be seriously terrible, Apple. (Microsoft already has Windows marketplace for Windows 8 Metro apps, so no biggy, right?). I’m not trying to be stereotypical here but I think Microsoft could try to do the same thing, and then we BOTH (Mac + PC) will have locked, worthless machines that can’t run 3rd-party software except what THEY allow, MOCKING the whole computer industry as we know it.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    “This is a good example of why people both hate and love apple products. The lovers go for the fact that Apple controls the end user experience right down to the final detail. The haters avoid for the very same reason.
    Personally, I feel that if someone purchases something, he should have the right to do with it whatever he likes so long as it isn’t hurting anyone else. Apple obviously disagrees. The geek community is full of people who want to take their gadgets and play with them, not worrying about the manufacturers arbitrary limitations. Apples constant interference with this desire, as well as their sanctimonious “better then everyone else” attitude will continue to drive a wedge between users, and hamstring the innovation the claim to champion.”
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    Making a laptop shell out of aluminum is not going to do anyone any good so it doesn’t matter. I actually like my acrylic unibody MacBook better than I do the aluminum pro. It isn’t going to hurt anything, but it isn’t anything to rave about. Computers are the perfect application for plastics. Some of which jaw lasted a very very long time. Most will certainly out last the machines life of use. I had the privilege of being *ssigned a new dell machine that is by far the best built portable I have ever seen. We are testing them for m*ss deployment and putting the enterprise image to the test on it. It has the same display as the 13″ MacBook but is meant to be docked at temp workstations and virtual office setups with external I/O components.
    The plastic it is made of will not fail and other makers are going to selling similar machines to keep up. The horsepower of this device is. No different than that of my corporate issues m4500, which has 12g of memory, 1tb storage and the 8 core intel. I have loaded VMware on this device and can run at least 4 separate machines before seeing a performance hit and that hit is barely an issue. No student is their right mind would choose any MacBook over this machine if they care about function, battery life, portability and appearance.
    Apple is going to thrive in the post pc or satellite device like tablets and phones, because they are the main player, they are the Microsoft of that arena. When the public starts getting in touch with this new breed of device, Apple is going to take an even bigger hit in the personal computing area. Sure, there are always going to be apple fans who will buy nothing else, even I will, but for those people on the fence who are limited by choice, they will have no doubts in their mind. Funny how all those Justin Long type commercials aren’t running anymore huh?
    LESLIELANDBERG SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 10:27 pm
    I have been using mac products for about five years now and in general I am completely underwhelmed. The company’s media promotion strategy reminds me of P.T. Barnum’s brand of hucksterism. Their business stragegy smacks of elitism and the cr*ssest, most cynical type of upsell imaginable. But I am enamored of their iPad – for the most part they got that right. Here are some of the things I always say regarding my experiences with the Mac vs. the PC. First of all, I have a twelve year old PC tower currently running Windows XP. It has more than enough muscle to handle all the latest software. How??? a Mac user might wonder…well, baby, it’s not pressure sealed at the factory with underpowered memory and drives. It opens up with a regular screwdriver and there’s just tons of space in there and you just take yourself down to the PC mom and pop store in your neighborhood and for $25 you got yourself a butt load of extra memory, and you slide that puppy in all by your lonesome, no tools required, no expertise, your 6 year old or granny could manage it…and you’re good to go. I like to brag to all my Macbook user friends, who have forked over $2,000 for their fancy computers and will still require a thousand bucks worth of periferals and many days, months and even years waiting for the right software upgrades, fixes and patches- which still won’t work (not to mention the frequent expensive repairs). I have never needed to service the PC…except when the fan needed to be replaced because it had cat hairs in it and thus burned out, lol. I could have replaced it myself. A five to ten dollar part and a screwdriver is all that is required. When a Macbook fan burns out, it is about $250 if not more and takes a week to get back. I will have my 2000 PC for another ten years. It is built like a goddam TANK and has tons of expandable ports for components, as well as periferals which can actually be fit right into the tower. Soooo much room, so cheap, so easy, so reliable. PC’s are for proles! They are the real work horses. Oh, and when I am using a word program, cut and paste (the most frequently performed function) can be done in one flowing move, taking approximately one second, and one hand, with absolutely effortless precision. With the Mac, it takes two hands and roughly three or four seconds, plus there is much less control with the Mac and you can easily over and undershoot your destination, and basically slip and slide all around your text, there is no control. What takes one second on the PC, takes ten to fifteen seconds of painstaking frustration on the Mac. That is insane! And the Mac freezes up all the time when you want to do any sort of multitasking. Now, it is true, if I wanted to spend another $2000 for some fancy periferals to keep everything running, and put in some new shelve

  475. RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    “Absolutely, I have yet to contradict myself. Nice spot btw. Im sure Rawr already figured this out.”
    Yup. I admit I’ve done the same thing too.
    “No, I can minimize, ghost it, quit it, hide it or whatever I want. If I want to keep the program open but I don’t have anything to do at the immediate moment then I can- such as Mail, Word/Pages etc. Ghosting is useful at times and I can quit the process just as quickly.”
    Windows progs don’t always give you the option to ghost but most of the time it isn’t a option not to ghost on Mac’s. I admit Ghosting can be useful, but it is very bad for people who think all of their Mac programs just close when they press the red dot. At least I know for a fact when I hit the X the prog closes, and if it doesn’t, it will go in the tray, and let me know that it has gone to the tray.
    But I don’t need a third party program to close anything in windows. Apple is supposed to make things easy right? Well they try, but when they take away your choice they just make the easy things annoying.
    “No, I’m sure it does.”
    “No, no it doesn’t”
    It does. Period. Depending on the program it may sometimes leave the start menu folder there, but thats just a empty folder. But it always deletes whats in the install location, unless you had the program running while uninstalling it.
    I will also have you note that the installs and uninstalls are most often 3rd party made. If the install/uninstaller does something unwanted that is not Windows fault.
    I will bring up OCing again. Over Clocking (OC) is mostly *ssociated with gamers. But OCing your CPU can be very useful for programs that are very taxing on the CPU. Such as: Multitasking, Video Editing software, Graphics design, and more.
    And people like TREVOR and Apple claim it is best for these operations, Yet no Apple computer can OC. I did research and not even a 3rd party programs can break the OC lock on Mac’s. OC is another Useful, High Tech, Innovative, and Convent technology Apple isn’t capable of using.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    From J_Sparrow:
    Hi,
    This may be a bit of a troll….
    Check this page out :- apple,com/why-mac/
    Apple outrageous statement 1:-
    “the Apple mac is designed to be a better computer”
    My question… A better computer then what? a circa 2005 PC?
    Apple outrageous statement 2:-
    “It comes with software you’ll love to use”
    My counter statement; well, my brother went to work abroad and he got a free apple mac from the place he works, he can not stand it and is going to spend £1000 on a normal PC rather then use the £1100 apple mac the gave him for free. He said the software is hopless for what he wants to do, and it freezes for upto 20minutes a time with no reason or error often.
    Apple outrageous statement 3:-
    “It comes with the worlds most advanced OS”
    Really? its that much better then windows 7? how, and who ‘measured’ this to work out it was ‘most advanced’??
    Apple outrageous statement 4:-
    “It runs office and works with your existing PC files”
    So hang on a minute? I’m confused, It uses traditional PC software right? Kind of like a PC does….
    Apple outrageous statement 5:-
    “Its compatible with stuff”
    “stuff”…. seriously, “stuff”?!?! You can can plug things in and they work, my PC can do that and 9 times out of 10 i dont have to use an install disc or anything, Windows 7 sorts everything out for me.. So again, it does what a PC has been doing for decades.
    Apple outrageous statement 6:-
    “It doesn’t get PC viruses”
    Well PC’s don’t get mac viruses but read this Quote from an artical in ‘the inquirer’
    “Tyler Reguly, a senior security research engineer with Ncircle told the newnewinternet that if you take a look at the two platforms, and the mindsets of the companies behind them, then the Windows PC wins hands down. He said that the Mac ships with more exploitable vulnerabilities already on a system when it is delivered. Further, Eric Johanson, a security researcher pointed out that the Mac OS X has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows.
    However Apple is also actually more insecure because of the attitude of its customers. A computer’s security, if it exists, is only as good as the user. Unfortunately in the case of the Mac the user is a smug, technologically illiterate person who believes they are invulnerable because they use a Mac. Such people randomly press buttons, visit sites that sensible people don’t and download things carelessly because Apple’s marketing tells them they are safe.”
    Apple outrageous statement 7:-
    “It’s loaded with the latest technology, {snip}… powerful graphics bring the latest 3D games to life..”
    this is a lie, kind of proves how dumb apple mac customers are if they buy one to play games with.
    Best Apple Statement:-
    “It runs Windows and Windows applications”
    Oh, hang on, why would anyone want to run windows on it if it comes with the most advanced operating system already installed….. BUT if you did put windows on then you would have a PC, only more g4y looking. And not as fast or upgradable etc…
    RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    Again I ask, Why Aluminum? I can only think because its cheap.
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel
    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too. Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong but they go with the weak and heavy material? Make sense to you?
    And why get Intel CPU’s but then AMD GPU’s. Its been proven that NVIDIA cards work better with Intel, rather then AMD. And AMD is cheaper then NVIDIA.
    So why does this company who boasts to have the best computers in the world, always pick the cheap option.
    MARK SAYS:
    March 31, 2012 at 7:51 am
    while at bestbuy…
    overheard a salesman telling customer, if you are careful you dont need antivirus like on windows. mac dont get virus, they only get trojan. wtf. once there is a risk of compromizing a system via a trojan, you already need an antivirus. i mean is like you dont get a,b,c… (std) by sleeping with him, but you only get z by sleeping with him. why not use protection? but sadly, choice of protection is very little on mac since security powerhouses are focusing first defences on win platform dedicating secondary resources on mac like everything else in life – flash, java, games, drivers, browsers, printers all seems to run better on the primary platform windows. so please dont try to kid the rest of the world with your nonsense.
    tried the imac 27 inch. doesnt do it for me. first, global menu is a waste of mouse motion especially with a small apps like calculator.
    compounding to problem, mouse acceleration is slow compared to win/linux. please do not suggest 3rd party software to change acceleration. going that route, we might as well install a 3rd party software to remove global menu. ubuntu hack firefox to use global menu does not do it for me neither. i am using a 22″ monitor. so on larger screen, i reckon local menus are better for me.
    not to start a war, but i hate excessive mouse movements. at the end of TIRED day of working, i dont want to drag a file from one corner of large screen to a trash icon. i dont want to use keyboard shortcuts to cut and paste, etc. i want to LIBERATE my left hand for a cup of coffee and use right hand to right-mouse click to delete files. is that too hard for mac users to understand.
    everytime you tell a mac user you cant used feature x, they will tell you can use the other extra limb to do feature x by pressing button y+z. very typical of mac users.
    you tell them one thing, they will tell you another way which is more involving (extra limb and 2 finger gymnastic). eg. i hate min,max,close button on left. mac users will tell you – who uses it anymore? – cmd +x.
    or flash is a no-show on ipad, html5 is the future. but i live in present, half the websites videos dont work without flash. compounding the problem html5 video is divided to h264 for ie,safari, and theora,webm for the others. fragmentation is gonna hampered adoption.
    third scrolling a webpage using safari is sluggish compared to scrolling with firefox on linux and windows. i know it is not same browser. not my computer, cant install anything in bestbuy. but i thought safari is the premiere browser on mac.
    to recap, not impressed other than Aesthetics exterior and interior (icons are beautiful). to me pc all the way. ubuntu is gone for me too. global menu and top left buttons
    CHEESE SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 12:38 am
    I read quite a few comments at first, but then I started noticing just how many there were on this page. Once I started scrolling down, I then realized again just how long ago this article and many comments were written. So after skimming for a bit, I just went straight to the bottom.
    Did JJ turn into Rawr? I noticed JJ stopped commenting and Rawr kind of picked up with his sarcastic comments.
    As I was reading through this article, I found myself chuckling out loud. I don’t think I have yet to read an article that was quite as cynical and sneering. I found the combination of the satire with the slight truths in the arrogant claims to be quite humorous. I think there was a poster near the beginning that said something about the satire (Raven something or another). I think a good number of people are taking this thing too seriously.
    There were four types of comments I saw over and over.
    1. People would try to argue every point made in the article with super detailed, lengthy explanations. Usually this was shrugged off by JJ with a short, sarcastic comment. Other times he’d take the time to respond with more detail, usually still involved sarcasm.
    2. People would insult the author’s behavior by acting in the same exact insulting fashion.
    3. People would put a combination of cussing, all caps, spamming, and whatever else to tell every putting up comment to stop arguing and to shut up. Usually these comments would say something about the author or everyone having no life. The only reason all these people exist is to argue over something stupid like computers.
    I think to myself, “This person is taking the time to argue with people that have no lives… over the issue of arguing about something pointless?”
    4. Finally there were the people with negative Mac experiences that would agree with the author. They usually received high fives from JJ.
    Those were my impressions of this article and the following comments. Now I’ll respond to a couple of the points made in the article.
    1. I thought this was pretty funny. I get this sort of impression of Mac users all the time. Keep in mind that most of my experience with Mac (and its users) comes from online. Typically I see these people through articles, blogs, forums, etc. Mac vs Windows arguments come up constantly in these venues. From my experiences, quite a hefty percentage of Mac users that take the time to put their opinions on the internet are:
    1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
    2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general
    2. I don’t think the brand name is worth quite as much as what Apple slaps on the price tags. Although, if one day I decide Windows isn’t doing it for me anymore, I don’t think the price will slow me down too much from purchasing a Mac.
    6. I’ve never really liked that dock thing. I think it’s a bit obnoxious.
    8. I’ve always been wary of the limitations I’d have being on a Mac exclusively. I’ll likely have a Windows machine if I ever do get a Mac, so it shouldn’t be too big a deal.
    10. I’m generally one to favor as much configuration as possible to get things how I like them. That’s actually something that’s drawn me toward some Linux distros, but they seem to take too much time to get simple things accomplished.
    CHEESE SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 1:05 am
    In this comment I’ll give the three reasons I don’t use a Mac.
    It seems that pretty much everyone agreed in the earlier comments that Windows was the gaming OS. I think this still holds true today. I do love my games, so that’s been the main thing keeping me with Windows.
    I honestly don’t have a ton of experience on Macs. Most of what I know is through what I’ve read online. I did use a Macbook fairly recently and enjoyed the way the Spaces worked. I was first exposed to the Virtual Desktops feature when messing around with Ubuntu. I later tried out a few pieces of Windows freeware, but it wasn’t quite as good to me. I think the way the Spaces work on a Mac are probably better than what I saw on Ubuntu. However, the thing that really impressed me was the multi-touch gestures you could use to navigate the Spaces. I liked the idea of separating navigation from the keyboard. While keyboard shortcuts weren’t difficult to use to change desktops, I liked the 3-finger-flick much better.
    I say all this about Virtual Desktops because that’s another thing keeping me from leaving Windows right now. That might seem strange at first, but I’m waiting to see what Windows 8 has to offer. They seem to be going all out with touchscreen interfacing and related technologies. This makes me think that Windows should be getting on board with all the multi-touch gestures and related features. I really liked that 3-finger-flick virtual desktop setup on Macs, so Windows 8 better have something similar or better…
    So the first thing keeping me on Windows is gaming. Something Windows has that Mac doesn’t. The second thing is something Mac has and Windows doesn’t… but Windows may have in the not too distant future. The third thing keeping me with Windows is something I can’t stand about Macs, particularly Macbooks. There’s no right button! I’ve complained about this lack of a feature with Macs to a few people, and they start telling me of all these ways I can do a right click. There’s no way it’s as efficient using any of those methods as it is physically clicking the right button.
    I haven’t used anything but a laptop touchpad for a few years now. I mentioned that I like gaming. One particular game I like is World of Warcraft. Pretty much everyone knows what this game is or has heard about it. I played that game with a touchpad, and it would be near impossible to do the same thing with an Apple trackpad.
    1. Click the bottom right side of the trackpad – If you click right where right clicks start registering, you don’t always get a right click. To ensure a right click, you need to click a little further to the right. This means your finger has to travel further to do a right click. Also, the entire trackpad moves when you click, so that interferes a tad with the regular left clicking. This method just seems really clunky.
    2. Tap with two fingers – I’ve always hating anything that used tapping on a touchpad. The first thing I do when I use a new touchpad is turn off “tap to click”. I find you’re much more likely to have misclicks when tapping. It’s just too inconsistent compared to clicking an actual button.
    On top of the problems with tapping itself, there’s no way to drag with the right click tap. I was told I could drag a left click by double tapping with one finger. Something like that may exist for the right click dragging. Waiting for this double tap to register so I can drag the cursor is just absurd.
    3. Hold CTRL and click – Holding one button down while clicking another button can never be equal to or better than clicking a single button. Even though it’s not hard, you’re now using two hands to do something a single finger should be able to do.
    On top of the added complexity, this method screws you up when you need your left hand for clicking keys while you use the right clicks. When playing a game like World of Warcraft, you are constantly clicking many keys with the left hand. Often times, the keys you’re clicking are used in conjunction with the CTRL key itself. Now things get really complicated.
    I have yet to see what I think is a valid reason for the trackpad not having a right click button. Yes, when you’re not doing something as intensive as gaming, the trackpad right click options are feasible. However, I feel like I’m downgrading in technology by using the trackpad for my right clicks. I thought newer technology was supposed to bring greater efficiency and ease of use. Not having a right button seems backwards to me.
    When software stops requiring right clicks to do things, I’ll stop worrying about a right click. Until then, I can’t stand not having a specific button for right clicking.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 3:47 am
    Unfortunately I didn’t start burning my time here until JJ left, or died, or whatever happened to him.
    I’m just wondering what happened to Steve. Also congrats(?) to WOW for staying here so long. People like Tucansam, and Redline would of caved by now and made an exit with some petty comment.
    MEH SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    You can’t fall for “delete System 32″ on a Mac.
    But other than that… meh
    RYAN SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!
    MARC SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.
    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm
    “Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.
    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.”
    “SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!”
    Perfect example of the majority of Mac users.
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 12:14 am
    As a long time user of every platform available, I can speak to some of this lifetime long argument. I currently own a late 2009 MacBook and a newer Pro running Snow Leopard and Lion. To add, I own one Linux device and 5 Windows 7 devices, 3 of which are x64 and the other two are x32 machines I upgraded to win7.
    I will leave my Linux thoughts out of this because it is more a utility to me than anything. I have seen the growth of both Apple and the PC based devices over the last 30 years, starting as a 14 year old with a father that was heavy into computing before having a computer at home was possible.
    The author has a lot of truth in his post, most of the things he mentioned have been a nuisance to myself and others at one time or another. I won’t get into every detail, but from a high level over the years I have come to know for a fact that the second Apple releases anything, it is far more expensive than comparable PC offerings. That is hard fact and cannot be argued. The thing is, Apple is at war with many makers, that use similar hardware, many times newer and more powerful. Those companies rely on Windows and once they have their OEM license, they brand it and add their own touches to it, which often turns out to be useless and even annoying. Sure, there might be a cool add in once in a while, but I am the guy that buys a PC, takes it out of the box and wipes the drive so I can load Windows on it clean, in it’s pure form.
    I do this because I have learned that in the past, running a make like Dell, HP or Sony will eventually fail in some way or under perform due to “bloat ware”. I can promise this, that any PC with a retail load of straight Windows will be every bit as stable if not more than any Mac which is packaged with the software that Apple designed to work with their hardware. MS is genius, Billy boy made his OS work on EVERYTHING, somehow while maintaining the mistakes by the idiot who uses it. No, you don’t typically need to ever mention the word “driver ” with a Mac, but then again, it was delivered as a packaged deal. Of course you don’t need anything like that, if MS built a computer of their own, it would be perfection, but that is not their business. So MS is relying on PC makers to build decent products so that the end user isn’t sitting there blasting Windows all day for something they didn’t even build. Throw in that guy who thinks he is a PC builder and MS is really sticking their neck out.
    But this is 2012, these days, a child can throw a Win7 disk in the drive and the chances are, that thing is going to work with minimal configuration. I built one machine, a nasty one to serve as the do all, video, music, m*ss storage, gaming, doc building device that be upgraded, restored and serve me for years. It was built with the cream of the cream hardware with money as no object and that system ran me a whopping 1100.00. Much less than my Pro and a little less than my MacBook with max memory and HD. I personally know OSx well enough that I can figure out a way to pretty much do everything on a Mac that my PCs do, but the problem is that I find myself having to figure out a way, rather than it just happening. It wasn’t always that way, but for a system that is supposed to be so robust, it is indeed the case.
    I think more people have problems with the smugness of the Mac “fanboy” more than they do the actual machine. Or the attack marketing, where Justin Long mentions a problem that is typically present in any computing platform like it doesn’t exist with a Mac. For all the folks here that argue the author isn’t truthful, there sure is a lot of BS coming from the Apple camp about the product MS offers. Many of the very things Apple uses as ammo are things they can’t avoid their own product from doing.
    Viruses? Malware? With 2 kids and a tech challenged wife, my home hasn’t seen a virus or anything malware like for years, not a single instance on any of the machines. They use them all, yet not a problem to be found. Fact is, aside from my 8 year old letting her Dell battery drain all the time and having it shut down, we haven’t had a single crash either. I cannot say the same for my MacBook, which once in a while presents me with ” you need to power off” and a frozen screen. That is rare, but it happens. Justin Long tells you it won’t though, then he tells you how the PC does while the Mac is so superior.
    To me, it is the image Apple tries to portray that annoys me more than anything. I truly enjoy using my computers, the Apple products I have owned the past 27 years have been great, but so have the PCs. These devices can do amazing things considering the cost. It is an awesome time to be able to see all of it grow. Every user is going to have a preference and no one wants to be told that they spent their hard earned money on an “inferior” product. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Function is found by needs and desire. These days, we are all getting the best of both. Maybe Apple will open up a little in the future, a lot of that was Steve Jobs and his very stubborn way of saying “I am going to give people what I want and people are going to like it” attitude. My favorite all around computer is my MacBook, running Win7 x64 under boot camp. Traveling with it solves a lot of problems, but that took creation from both ends of the spectrum and still doesn’t do everything.
    I leave this doc*mentary with a tidbit from one of Apple’s heroes, Steve Wozniak. While at a computing convention primarily focused on robotics in California, I had the pleasure of listening in to an unplanned interview he had where a man asked him what he thought about Microsoft and Bill Gates. His reply was complimentary, but near the end, he said “I wish they built better computers”. The interviewer followed up with “but Steve, Microsoft doesn’t build computers.”
    His reply? “oh yeah, that’s right.”
    Typed from my iPhone….
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 12:58 am
    @TECHNOJEDI
    Your comment needs to replace this article.
    LARS J SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    Only two types who buy Macs: Wannabe nerdy-types” and “Wannabe hipster-types” – is that right?
    So we bought our first Macs in 1993 for color scanning and digital imaging (there were no Windows PCs then that managed color). We went on to use our Macs to create over 28,000 published illustrations for various national publishers such as McGraw-Hill, Scholastic Books, and New Yorker.
    So which group do we fall into?
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 1:50 am
    @LARS J. Have you looked around every time you step into a store? Everyone uses PCs for their business. Seeing a handful of companies use macs and reading your story … it doesn’t impress me at all. Even if you watch that show “How It’s Made” every company uses PC. Even a lot of the machines that make our every day items are using Windows to program them.
    @RAWR. I was on vacation visiting family for the last couple weeks.
    SEMEN SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Well, you bought in 93 and hope you used it for several years (say 5), that puts you into the loser group. at 95-98, windows 95/98 users can work (cad,spreadsheet,publish,paint) and play directx/opengl games. mac at the era dont even use opengl. so all work, no play makes lars a dull loser. being a real minority at probably 1% stats, you are not only a loser but lonesome loser. hey, you ask which group knowing very well you paid expensive for a no-thrill computer.
    GHGHG SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 8:51 pm
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    MACSUCK SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 12:18 am
    I never have Mac but only thing I know it’s true is Mac doesn’t offer any flexibility to user!
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 8:50 am
    http://news.yahoo.com/more-600-000-macs-infected-flashback-malware-report-091608469.html
    Yep. It’s impossible for a mac to get a virus.
    GIBBS SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 9:56 am
    It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to pay $2000 for a 15″ Core i7 laptop with only 4 GB of RAM and 2 USB ports just because it’s aluminum and runs a customized version of Unix that has been rotting away for over a decade. The only thing Apple has done to OS X since it was first released is pack it full of useless features that few want and even fewer understand, like Versions and Launchpad. But what do you expect from a company that can’t even build a phone with a working antenna?
    Let me tell you, I may not be old, but I’ve been around long enough to have used every version of Windows and Mac OS since the early 90′s. I watched Apple as it grew, fell from glory, was bailed out, and made a comeback almost soley because of the iPod and iPhone. They fell behind in the desktop market back in the 90′s and, with the possible exception of OS X compared to Vista, they have never caught up since.
    Macs were a joke in the late 90′s and they’re a joke today. I *ssure you that Windows 7 beats Lion in almost every imaginable way. I use both regularly and there is simply no comparison — it makes Mac OS feel like a slow, outdated curiosity that’s trying to be more than the sum of its parts.
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    I think the OSx vs Vista thing was blown out of proportion. Vista was not the problem that Apple made it out to be. There were some hardware vendor related driver issues and the change in interface threw the average user for a loop. I remember Apple making fun of the UAC, when OSx had their own UAC running since the early versions. The difference was that Vista shipped with it being restrictive out of the box and made it very easy to change to suit any situation.
    My parents crapped when they first used Vista on their new machine, all it took was for me to put it in cl*ssic mode and they have been using it for years without a single complaint. It was also a resource hog, but then again, it shipped on computers with resources. No matter, Win 7 solved that problem in a big way. I installed it on a 2002 Dell C610 laptop with 512 ram and a 30g drive and a P3 processor, gave it to my mother in law and it has been flawless for 2 years now.
    OSx is fine, if that is what you want it will work great, but there is no way that anyone can argue it was better as a whole than Vista. That is the fruits of Apple’s marketing and a major change in UI to a public who doesn’t take to change very well. Remember when XP was released? There were folks that had issue with that and it turned out to be a pretty solid OS for a long time.
    Folks will pay more for a Mac because they actually believe the Apple hype. I use mine, but it surely doesn’t deserve some sort of praise for being “better”. There are those that think it actually makes them different and that different means they are elite. Those are the same people that think Jobs was a genius. That because they own a Mac, everything Steve Jobs said was true. That nifty packaging and gay commercials make a better computer. Bottom line is that it is still just a computer. When people are using a mouse, keyboard and monitor and paying alot more for the same hardware, they ate really paying a premium to use OSx. I did the math on hardware costs and what it would cost to build a Windows laptop with the exact same config as my Pro running Lion. If my math is correct, I paid nearly 800 dollars to have a copy of Lion.
    A lot of money for a closed system with no upgrade path.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 9:34 pm
    who the eff says aluminium is heavier than steel? You have never lifted or possibly even seen either of the metals if you think that. Why are planes made of aluminium? Because it is light and strong. Why go with aluminium? Because it is light and strong….it doesn’t rust… stainless steal requires more processing to achieve, can still rust depending on the quality and is freaking way heavier than aluminium!
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 12:26 am
    My mistake I looked further into it. I was wrong, Aluminum is lighter then steel. But Steel is stronger then Aluminum. As for rust you act like its in immediate danger of rust. I have ancient towers. (I collect old comps. [Don’t know if I said that before.]) And only a couple of them have rust. (One from 92 another from 97.)
    Also planes aren’t solely made out of Aluminum.
    Planes are made from a combination of;
    1. Aluminum
    2. Aluminum-Copper Alloy
    3. Zinc
    4. Carbon Fiber
    5. Reinforced Plastic
    6. Fiber Gl*ss
    7. Kevlar
    8. Titanium
    9. Stainless Steel
    10. Inconel
    The order has no meaning.
    Also, Aluminum does rust, its just not called rust. By definition rust can only happen to Iron and Steel but Aluminum has its own equivalent of rust.
    I believe its just called Aluminum Oxide.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    d00d all metals are prone to oxidation and most pure metals oxidize at room temperature. aluminium’s “oxidation” protects itself from further oxidation damage, so the fact that it oxidizes is irrelevant to the fact that it doesn’t rust. rust is the perpetual oxidation seen in some iron based alloys and of course pure iron.
    as far as strength, weight to strength ratio aluminium is stronger than some steels, not all, and the same goes for the steels….some aluminium alloys are stronger. Planes can be made of just about any alloy, they choose aluminium because of it’s particular weight to strength ratio, not because it’s cheaper than steel. Also most PCs are made of plastic if you want to get into the cheap discussion, and I still think steel of any kind is a bad choice for a laptop shell…seriously
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    *** I meant to say some steel alloys are stronger than aluminium ones***
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm
    I have a PC and its made of Steel and Aluminum, where did you get plastic from? Only plastic part it on the front and that’s replaceable.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:13 pm
    “The aluminum-vs-steel, strength-vs-weight issue is one that is commonly misunderstood, especially among jib makers, sometimes even among engineers.
    The misconception arises from the partial truth that there are aluminum alloys that are as strong as, or stronger than, steel. It’s more accurate to say that there are some aluminum alloys that are stronger than some steel alloys.”
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    Also PC may be made of plastic. But you act like its the same plastic that dollar store toys are made of.
    To be honest I don’t know why Laptops don’t have a Steel or Aluminum shell.
    It could be cost, heat issues. Rust is not a problem. Unless you plan on keeping your computer for more then 15 years and have it in a very humid climate.
    Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions. This is why Apple has a Plastic frame around their Aluminum ch*ssis.
    Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    I don’t see where this misconception of ‘Apple has better hardware quality’ is coming from.
    People never seem to bring proof of this, and when they try to explain it they describe the ‘feel’, the ‘look’, and other emotionally inspired nonsense.
    Or when asked for proof they ignore the request or just stop commenting.
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm
    The “Apple has better hardware quality” bs comes from apple commercials. Nothing else. apple users are so stupid they can’t do any research or back up anything they say.
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    apple users can’t think for themselves. They listen to all the hype. Of course if you go to an apple store they will tell you apple is better.
    KID BED SHEETS SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    Excellent site you have here but I was curious about if you knew of any forums that cover the same topics talked about here? I’d really love to be a part of community where I can get suggestions from other experienced individuals that share the same interest. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Many thanks!
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    see I wasn’t talking about making a jib, I was talking about making a plane. And their is a good reason why they use aluminium,not because it is cheap, but because for what a plane needs for strength and weight, the aluminium alloy is strong enough and lighter than it would be if they used steel, so they save money in gas by making the plane lighter….
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm
    and d***it i said most PC laptops are made of plastic, not all. it is dependant on the manufacturer. Sony loves to use aluminium for their shells. Go to Best Buy right now and you will see that the majority of the shells are made of plastic. You:
    “Again I ask, Why Aluminum? I can only think because its cheap. (PC MANUFACTURERS USE PLASTIC WHICH IS DEFINITELY CHEAPER THAN ANY METAL, SO WHAT!!)
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST)
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel (WRONG)
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel (WRONG)
    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too(AT A BIG COST). Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong(ALUMINIUM IS THE PERFECT SOLUTION FOR THIS) but they go with the weak and heavy material(WRONG….BAD FACTS)? Make sense to you? (NO YOU DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE)”
    It doesn’t make any sense to use steel, you want a light laptop not a steel beast. Stainless steel being more expensive doesn’t make it better…just harder to make. Aluminium is just the better choice for a laptop, you don’t have to do anything to it to keep it from rusting, its lighter, and although it doesn’t have a lot of lustre, it looks decent and since most PC’s use the much much cheaper alternative of a plastic shell, they can stand out against the plastic PC’s
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    “Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired”
    Yes it can, but do you really want to sand, prime and put a clear top coat (or colour of your choice) your pc laptop shell? Then repeat this every time it gets scratched and starts rusting again…..jebus man
    BRUTAL TRUTH SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm
    steve’s on the money. most people who have an understanding of computer technology, and especially the process marketing that technology, will tell u that apple are actually selling u a badge/brand, not a new piece of groundbreaking, quality tech that has been rigorously tested and re-tested. why do u think the whole apple campaign has that “we’re carefree, edgy, dancing silhouettes on a pastel background” feel to it. i’ll tell u why… because they know that they have a sub-standard product that they know they have to aggressively push to get “sales momentum”, and in advertising if u cant use the specs to promote the product, then u have to resort to the ego, and thats how we end up with apple ads consisting of silhouettes of young people “dancing like no-ones watching”. U see, that whole “care-free” bit is the hook. young people see those ads and think its cool, and its these trend buyers who will go out and (or more often than not, make their parents) spend ridiculous amounts of dollars on a piece of tech without even researching the specs and seeing what other products are actually out there. and thats where we’re at with the iphone vs android debacle. Android is far and away the better piece of tech on all levels, yet u still see teens cuing up for the next iphone (which is pretty much no different from the last iphone)…actually, i think the last iphone had some issues with several screens exploding when taken on short flights (and i mean 45minute regional flights). substandard tech + cheap and crappy parts = kablooey…iphone…. the happy meal toy in a smart phone world. ; )
    SRK SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 10:17 pm
    “Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions”—-are you kidding me? have you ever seen bare steel in a humid environment? or shoot even steel that hasn’t been painted well that has been exposed to any elements. I have a small unpainted/treated aluminium fishing boat. For 40 years it has sat its happy *** in water, been rained on snowed on, scratched, kicked mistreated, and has shown little to no corrosion if this had been bare steel it wouldn’t even exist unless i had maintained constant care.
    “Aluminum owes its excellent corrosion resistance and its usage as one of the primary metals of commerce to the barrier oxide film that is bonded strongly to its surface and, that if damaged, re-forms immediately in most environments.
    On a surface freshly abraded and then exposed to air, the barrier oxide film is only 1 nm thick but is highly effective in protecting the aluminum from corrosion.
    The natural film can be visualized as the result of a dynamic equilibrium between opposing forces-those tending to form compact barrier layer and those tending to break it down.”
    read around, you have to try to corrode aluminium, it needs a strong base or acid o do so along with some constant long term neglect to corrode aluminium, for the use of a laptop shell you would really have to mess something up to cause any substantial/noticeable corrosion…
    stop comparing aluminium with steel in regards to corrosion,they aren’t even on the same league let alone playing field
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 6, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    Did you read any of my other comments?
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST) I wasn’t talking about plastic.
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel (WRONG) No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel.
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel (WRONG) Depends on the grade. Some is heavier then Steel.
    You are obviously underestimating the quality of steel.
    “NO YOU DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE” ignorant people normally cant understand anything other then their own opinion so its understandable.
    All your saying depends on the grade of Aluminum and Steel. So we are both right and wrong. This argument will go no ware so I’ll end it here.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 1:04 am
    Aluminium is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST) I wasn’t talking about plastic.
    I know you aren’t talking about plastic but you said MAC people talk about the superiority of the product, you try to denounce by saying “why use aluminium in a product when its such a cheap metal” (paraphrasing) then you go on about how aluminium is cheaper, heavier, and weaker. although you are right in saying lbs for lbs steel is stronger, that doesn’t make it practical or better for a laptop!!! or anything computer related. So I say, aluminium is better than plastic (arguable), plastic is cheaper and has the appearance of lower quality than metal. PC’s use plastic which is extremely cheap, can be very fragile, has a vastly larger range of quality, and temperament with age and exposure to the sun causing weakness and brittleness in plastics when compared to commercial grade aluminium. Therefore aluminium is a sign of a higher quality construction compares to plastics (which most PCs use). You shouldn’t be basing any arguments that MACS aren’t quality products because they chose to make the shells of laptops out of aluminium.
    I can’t resist ignorant talk (you) so I come and tell you its not heavier (3X lighter actually) and that simply saying steel is stronger isn’t entirely the truth. then you go on about aluminium’s corrosion (couldn’t help but notice you didn’t respond to how wrong you were about that) which is more ignorance…
    I will concede this one point, steel is stronger.
    stainless steel does not easily corrode
    steel corrodes VERY easily (eg. cars, steel hardware, steel anything!!!!)
    aluminium is does not corrode easily (eg. macbook cases, sony cases, my aluminium boat, soda cans, aluminium foil….do you need more examples??)
    now for your “some aluminium alloys are heavier than steal”
    I can use your logic (as you used with the strength issue):
    “No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel.”
    Here is how I apply your ‘logic’ with the density comparison:
    lowest grade steel is heavier than lowest grade aluminium highest grade aluminium is lighter than highest grade steel.
    Or I can use REAL logic:
    Aluminium is already 3X lighter than steel, you can’t make an alloy of aluminium (you say grade but you actually mean alloy. grade has do with purity of refined metal) denser than an alloy of steel unless you mix it with a metal that is denser than steel! and even then it would have to make up the majority of the alloy to overcome how light aluminium already is. Or unless you make a steel alloy with a metal greater than 3X less the density of steel, and again that metal would have to make up the majority of the alloy. Show me this alloy, then show me the practicality of its use. YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN
    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-alloys-densities-d_50.html
    here you can see densities of metals and alloys and how hard it would be to make a steel alloy lighter than an aluminium one and vice versa and even if one did make such an alloy what is its practical use and does it have anything to do with PCs AND MACBOOKS!!!! lastly you are the king troll here keep up the good work
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm
    Cool story bro.
    Moving on, or you still wanna shout some more?
    Ether way you are wrong, but idc anymore.
    Topic has gone to far off track, not gonna help you build a new station.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm
    doityourself,com/forum/fences-gates/451189-steel-vs-aluminum.html#b
    I’m sure these people will enjoy your company.
    I didn’t look to hard, because I’m sure you already have one to ‘argue’ on.
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    @RAWR. Took the words out of my mouth. Way off track.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    like I said i couldn’t help dismantle your ignorant thoughts when you expressed them the way you did….then you followed up with more ignorance….and you are wrong about everything you said….how are you so stupid that you don’t see this? or are you too proud to admit it? you have cluttered this forum with more useless sh** (and a lot of wrong sh**) more than anybody else. you make me sad for humanity….off track or not
    SRK SAYS:
    April 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm
    Here is my composite list of ignorant things you have said that sucked me down to your level(all of which are wrong!):
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel–way to complicated to discuss here, but not really true
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel–effing really wrong…upon further research aluminium is one of the least dense metals
    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too. Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong but they go with the weak and heavy material? Make sense to you?—-this is my favorite
    Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions—jesus this is so wrong i mean i thought it was common knowledge that steel rusts and for most uses aluminium doesn’t corrode at all
    Also planes aren’t solely made out of Aluminum—true but the parts that count are, so the metal must be pretty strong,light and rust proof
    Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired–wow…anyway….unless the metal you use doesn’t rust
    No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel—again too complicated for you or me
    ignorant people normally cant understand anything other then their own opinion so its understandable.—the irony is hilarious (see most of your posts and especially the ones above)
    if you re-read my original comment, that started this rant I just made fun of that fact that you said aluminium is cheap and heavier than steel because I thought it was common knowledge that aluminum is cheap because of it’s abundance not because of quality, and that it is lighter than steel. you followed with so much stupidity thereafter I feel like you just trolled me along…and i still do…or perhaps you are just stupid
    but truly am sorry for the topic change…i hate macs there…
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:00 am
    I already admitted I was wrong about the weight. And how did I show any ignorance before this Aluminum thing? Why does this bother you so much? Is it because you know of nothing else but that?
    Pull the Aluminum stick out of your *ss and shut the f*ck up.
    I am not wrong about most of the post I put of Aluminum. If anything my source is to blame, It told me that Aluminum is heavy junk (As a joking example then it went in depth.)
    I don’t see how you proved me wrong on any of the other matters.
    I don’s see how getting the fact that under certain conditions Aluminum can be heavier then steel. I am not wrong about Aluminum being more corrosive then steel. It is YOU who does not want to admit that you are wrong. (If I am in fact wrong, again blame my sources as well as bring me substantial proof that you are right.)
    Also how does being wrong about one thing make my other statements ignorant?
    Still sounds like your the ignorant one here.
    I don’t need to see most of my post because I wrote them all. Again Ignorant people cant understand the truth. Ignorant people use their own logic.
    “Here is how I apply your ‘logic’ with the density comparison”
    “Or I can use REAL logic”
    I only know of one type of logic, there aren’t other forms. Just the Truth and a Lie. And if you see more then one, then you must be using the lie.
    Also I never made a density comparison.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:04 am
    “Also I never made a density comparison.”
    Mistake.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:15 am
    “like I said i couldn’t help dismantle your ignorant thoughts when you expressed them the way you did”
    I was wrong really? Like with what? The weight of aluminum? Congratz you wasted time trying to dismantle my statement that I made a while ago and only managed to ‘prove’ me wrong on one point.
    “then you followed up with more ignorance”
    Really? How so? By stating facts I obtained from research?
    “and you are wrong about everything you said”
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel- Right
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel- Right
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel- Wrong
    I don’t think 1 out of 3 qualifies as everything.
    “and you are wrong about everything you said….how are you so stupid that you don’t see this?”
    I cant see whats not there. Lend me your fog machine, so I can see what you see.
    “you have cluttered this forum with more useless sh** (and a lot of wrong sh**) more than anybody else.”
    Didn’t know one time was considered clutter. If once gets you this mad then I cant wait until you start on everyone else. Oh wait they didn’t talk about Aluminum…
    “you make me sad for humanity…”
    You make me sad too. Didn’t know someone could get so pissed off over something so small.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 12:22 am
    Here an award *Hands SRK an award* For knowing noting that was discussed on this topic other then Aluminum.
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 1:28 am
    d*mnit man, read what i just wrote, i listed all the comments that you made that were ignorant, about the planes, about the corrosion, about being able to fix rust, the weight (i say the density because that is the right word not weight…which again points out more of your own ignorance). all you had to say was whoops im an idiot aluminum is the least dense metal used for commercial construction and support structures, and its not real a sign of cheap quality although it is cheaper to produce, and I would have shut the f*ck up. but you didn’t you continued to argue your stupid point the same as I did,
    as my last post points out, you continued with more and more and, still now, more stupidity and troll bait…the only thing im sad for in myself is getting trolled by an idiot like you, please please continue to wallow in your stupidity and reign as supreme king (queen?) troll and take the STEEL d*ldo that is in YOUR *SS and beat yourself over your head with it until your happy…if you want to call me out for obnoxious rants…your were right there toe to toe dancing with me the whole time, so you are talking about yourself as well.
    some more troll bait for you; here is why saying density is correct and weight isn’t:
    DENSITY is a physical property of matter, as each element and compound has a unique density *ssociated with it. Density defined in a qualitative manner as the measure of the RELATIVE “heaviness” of objects with a CONSTANT VOLUME.
    so saying steel weighs more than aluminum isn’t technically correct(if you don’t like that go take an entry level college physics cl*ss), saying it is more dense is a more correct statement
    and again, i have no affinity for aluminum, i could give a f*ck less, i just know i got trolled by you…good day sir or ma’am
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 1:52 am
    let me simplify
    your were wrong first about the weight/density and the implication that aluminum is a poor quality metal
    then about it being more corrosive than steel in humid conditions
    the rest is just semantics
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 2:08 am
    ill do this thread a favour…
    Macs suck, they are overated overhiped overpriced and well marketed to tools who’s view of them using the coolest looking tech gadget is more important than the actual usefullness or value. They put out a mediocre product for an outrageous price.
    It took Windows along time to become a mature robust secure OS, but it is that. Their business model is also what allowed the market and world to become what it is today, everyone should thank bill for that. without the microsoft software license model, and their desire to only make a good OS not the entire computer, allowed for the hardware market to explode, it allowed for capitalism to flourish, and in the end created a more flexible, and customisable product.
    As opposed to the Apple model which closely guards and controls all of its software and hardware, preferring the proprietary model instead of the universal model, which windows used. It’s gimmicky and relatively useless features that is loves to boast are just that, useless. It should be no contest…windows ownz apple in just about every way except for douchebag appeal
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 2:20 am
    the obvious downfalls to allowing hardware vendors to make the hardware as in the case with windows based PC’s is the driver issues….these are not actually windows problems rather, the hardware vendor’s for making a crappy driver. windows upgrades to make thing incompatible doesn’t help though. but the sacrifice is worth the capital reward, all your tech related jobs can probably be traced to the decision of windows staying out of the hardware business.
    In terms of quality of OS/hardware in macs and PCs, I think Macs put out a quality product in terms of life of hardware. With the PC, you have choice of manufacturer and some are better than others, but I have had an ASUS eeepc for two years, no issues with anything. I also own a tower that I ‘built’ and have had for for years, nothing, and must repeat nothing has broken, and it was a lot cheaper than the equivalent MBP. And even nothing broke, the stuff I wanted to upgrade, say, video card…I upgraded for 150 bucks, and 10 minutes of work to install. Instantly a better computer for games and graphics related processing. Can’t do that with a MAC….that’s all im saying
    SRK SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 2:23 am
    rawr! is it too late to say im sorry and forget this sh**
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 3:27 am
    “i listed all the comments that you made that were ignorant, about the planes, about the corrosion, about being able to fix rust, the weight”
    I have nothing to be sorry for. I wasn’t wrong about the planes. You implied they where made of nothing but aluminum I just corrected you.
    I’m not sure about the corrosion, if you have so much confidence that I’m wrong then please bring proof. Just your word, if that’s all that was needed then we are both right.
    You CAN fix rust, so I don’t know what you mean there. weight and density go hand and hand if something is dense it will most likely be heavy.
    I already admitted to being wrong about the weight when you first pointed it out, so I don’t see the problem.
    P.S. You done yet? ; )
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 3:39 am
    Stopped being lazy, and looked more into the corrosion thing. My source was comparing Stainless Steel vs Aluminum.
    To be honest I didn’t even look that far into it.
    Anyway I was wrong about two things, you happy?
    You still over reacted, and are still being ignorant about the other things I was -by your standards- wrong about.
    UNDERBED STORAGE BOXES SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 4:55 am
    Good day! I could have sworn I’ve been to this website before but after checking through some of the post I realized it’s new to me. Nonetheless, I’m definitely happy I found it and I’ll be bookmarking and checking back often!
    APPLE WELDS EM SHUT (BLACKBOX) SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 7:27 am
    Apple is likely known for blackboxing their products (ie, sealing them shut and making them hard to open/dis*ssemble accept by their own guys @ the Apple Store (But wait, the MBA is completely welded shut! Even Apple can’t open their own products!)
    Alright, now that we got that past, let’s get some !#/bin/sh straight.
    (Tooken from iFans forums, that came from a long way – It’s a long story.)
    pple is going to run-down their company and ruin the Mac as we know it. When Mac OS X 10.9 comes out, who knows what Apple will be doing by then. Changing the works, setting restrictions from their headquarters in Cupertino, to try to control what you can and can’t do, which will cause famous non-Apple apps on your Mac to stop working, such as:
    • CleanMyMac.
    • iStat Server.
    • Skype for Mac.
    • Microsoft Office + Office Suite 2011 (Well it will stay, but many features requiring system-level access may be revoked, it will be smacked-around by Apple, so to speak).
    All these apps will simply not run, because they are not ‘Apple Approved’ applications. Along with Mac OS X 10.8 +/10.9 / possible OS XI (11) coming out, they might be even more restricted. Here’s where the crap comes, it sounds crazy, but listen. Apple will may start encrypting all updates and use SSL for every transfer (they probably already do) due to ‘security’ of course, they may or may not starting locking the OS from external connection, e.g. A Windows PC can’t connect to a Mac via Network Shares, etc…
    Crap that may or may not happen:
    • • • Apple will seal off their Macs. I mean sure Modifying your computer is great, but really, why would you want to go to an Apple store anytime there is something wrong with your Mac, or you need to install new RAM and stuff? Only Apple-Approved RAM. Have you also heard about Apple screwing in and making batteries non-user replaceable? Well, that’s happened to the MacBook Air, the the original MacBook, hell, why not the MBP?
    • • • Terminal is a no-no! Yes, everyone LOVES the Terminal and Unix commands, I mean who does not? Every Unix/Linux nerd loves geeking with Unix! But Uh-Oh. Here comes Apple the king of their software. They’ve decided terminal is a no-no and Nobody wants them re-modding their Macs back to freedom of 3rd Party apps and free source. What happend to freedom anymore?
    • • • Restrictions, Restrictions, Restrictions, baby! Just like on the iPhone, iPod and all other iDevices, their devices will be fully-restricted and no external access to them will be allowed, heaven forbid we steal Apple’s source! Only Apps that are allowed here on Apple’s OSX, are iTunes/App Store Approved and installed ones, but the truth actually could be that 3rd party Apps are still allowed, but although, the bad side is that People will most likely upload these iTunes stolen apps up on uTorrent or something, then everybody who has a Mac could get a free, say; $50 App for free, say, (Just an example!) PhotoPro for Mac v.2.12, and you don’t have to pay, you just download and ‘click and drag’ to your Applications folder. No (App store) Apps will run on your Mac unless they are hooked with the same UUID, and aren’t blacklisted by Apple (yes, they can! see http://www.intomobile.com/2008/08/07/apple-can-blacklist-and-remotely-disable-applications-on-your-iphone/) and having to use a restricted computer that can only do things the company wants it to do would be seriously terrible, Apple. (Microsoft already has Windows marketplace for Windows 8 Metro apps, so no biggy, right?). I’m not trying to be stereotypical here but I think Microsoft could try to do the same thing, and then we BOTH (Mac + PC) will have locked, worthless machines that can’t run 3rd-party software except what THEY allow, MOCKING the whole computer industry as we know it.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    “This is a good example of why people both hate and love apple products. The lovers go for the fact that Apple controls the end user experience right down to the final detail. The haters avoid for the very same reason.
    Personally, I feel that if someone purchases something, he should have the right to do with it whatever he likes so long as it isn’t hurting anyone else. Apple obviously disagrees. The geek community is full of people who want to take their gadgets and play with them, not worrying about the manufacturers arbitrary limitations. Apples constant interference with this desire, as well as their sanctimonious “better then everyone else” attitude will continue to drive a wedge between users, and hamstring the innovation the claim to champion.”
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    Making a laptop shell out of aluminum is not going to do anyone any good so it doesn’t matter. I actually like my acrylic unibody MacBook better than I do the aluminum pro. It isn’t going to hurt anything, but it isn’t anything to rave about. Computers are the perfect application for plastics. Some of which jaw lasted a very very long time. Most will certainly out last the machines life of use. I had the privilege of being *ssigned a new dell machine that is by far the best built portable I have ever seen. We are testing them for m*ss deployment and putting the enterprise image to the test on it. It has the same display as the 13″ MacBook but is meant to be docked at temp workstations and virtual office setups with external I/O components.
    The plastic it is made of will not fail and other makers are going to selling similar machines to keep up. The horsepower of this device is. No different than that of my corporate issues m4500, which has 12g of memory, 1tb storage and the 8 core intel. I have loaded VMware on this device and can run at least 4 separate machines before seeing a performance hit and that hit is barely an issue. No student is their right mind would choose any MacBook over this machine if they care about function, battery life, portability and appearance.
    Apple is going to thrive in the post pc or satellite device like tablets and phones, because they are the main player, they are the Microsoft of that arena. When the public starts getting in touch with this new breed of device, Apple is going to take an even bigger hit in the personal computing area. Sure, there are always going to be apple fans who will buy nothing else, even I will, but for those people on the fence who are limited by choice, they will have no doubts in their mind. Funny how all those Justin Long type commercials aren’t running anymore huh?
    LESLIELANDBERG SAYS:
    April 8, 2012 at 10:27 pm
    I have been using mac products for about five years now and in general I am completely underwhelmed. The company’s media promotion strategy reminds me of P.T. Barnum’s brand of hucksterism. Their business stragegy smacks of elitism and the cr*ssest, most cynical type of upsell imaginable. But I am enamored of their iPad – for the most part they got that right. Here are some of the things I always say regarding my experiences with the Mac vs. the PC. First of all, I have a twelve year old PC tower currently running Windows XP. It has more than enough muscle to handle all the latest software. How??? a Mac user might wonder…well, baby, it’s not pressure sealed at the factory with underpowered memory and drives. It opens up with a regular screwdriver and there’s just tons of space in there and you just take yourself down to the PC mom and pop store in your neighborhood and for $25 you got yourself a butt load of extra memory, and you slide that puppy in all by your lonesome, no tools required, no expertise, your 6 year old or granny could manage it…and you’re good to go. I like to brag to all my Macbook user friends, who have forked over $2,000 for their fancy computers and will still require a thousand bucks worth of periferals and many days, months and even years waiting for the right software upgrades, fixes and patches- which still won’t work (not to mention the frequent expensive repairs). I have never needed to service the PC…except when the fan needed to be replaced because it had cat hairs in it and thus burned out, lol. I could have replaced it myself. A five to ten dollar part and a screwdriver is all that is required. When a Macbook fan burns out, it is about $250 if not more and takes a week to get back. I will have my 2000 PC for another ten years. It is built like a goddam TANK and has tons of expandable ports for components, as well as periferals which can actually be fit right into the tower. Soooo much room, so cheap, so easy, so reliable. PC’s are for proles! They are the real work horses. Oh, and when I am using a word program, cut and paste (the most frequently performed function) can be done in one flowing move, taking approximately one second, and one hand, with absolutely effortless precision. With the Mac, it takes two hands and roughly three or four seconds, plus there is much less control with the Mac and you can easily over and undershoot your destination, and basically slip and slide all around your text, there is no control. What takes one second on the PC, takes ten to fifteen seconds of painstaking frustration on the Mac. That is insane! And the Mac freezes up all the time when you want to do any sort of multitasking. Now, it is true, if I wanted to spend another $2000 for some fancy periferals to keep everything running, and put in some new shelves and get a huge bulky bag to tote all those drives and speakers and things around with me, I surely could do that. Or I could spend next to nothing

  476. RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    “Absolutely, I have yet to contradict myself. Nice spot btw. Im sure Rawr already figured this out.”
    Yup. I admit I’ve done the same thing too.
    “No, I can minimize, ghost it, quit it, hide it or whatever I want. If I want to keep the program open but I don’t have anything to do at the immediate moment then I can- such as Mail, Word/Pages etc. Ghosting is useful at times and I can quit the process just as quickly.”
    Windows progs don’t always give you the option to ghost but most of the time it isn’t a option not to ghost on Mac’s. I admit Ghosting can be useful, but it is very bad for people who think all of their Mac programs just close when they press the red dot. At least I know for a fact when I hit the X the prog closes, and if it doesn’t, it will go in the tray, and let me know that it has gone to the tray.
    But I don’t need a third party program to close anything in windows. Apple is supposed to make things easy right? Well they try, but when they take away your choice they just make the easy things annoying.
    “No, I’m sure it does.”
    “No, no it doesn’t”
    It does. Period. Depending on the program it may sometimes leave the start menu folder there, but thats just a empty folder. But it always deletes whats in the install location, unless you had the program running while uninstalling it.
    I will also have you note that the installs and uninstalls are most often 3rd party made. If the install/uninstaller does something unwanted that is not Windows fault.
    I will bring up OCing again. Over Clocking (OC) is mostly *ssociated with gamers. But OCing your CPU can be very useful for programs that are very taxing on the CPU. Such as: Multitasking, Video Editing software, Graphics design, and more.
    And people like TREVOR and Apple claim it is best for these operations, Yet no Apple computer can OC. I did research and not even a 3rd party programs can break the OC lock on Mac’s. OC is another Useful, High Tech, Innovative, and Convent technology Apple isn’t capable of using.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    From J_Sparrow:
    Hi,
    This may be a bit of a troll….
    Check this page out :- apple,com/why-mac/
    Apple outrageous statement 1:-
    “the Apple mac is designed to be a better computer”
    My question… A better computer then what? a circa 2005 PC?
    Apple outrageous statement 2:-
    “It comes with software you’ll love to use”
    My counter statement; well, my brother went to work abroad and he got a free apple mac from the place he works, he can not stand it and is going to spend £1000 on a normal PC rather then use the £1100 apple mac the gave him for free. He said the software is hopless for what he wants to do, and it freezes for upto 20minutes a time with no reason or error often.
    Apple outrageous statement 3:-
    “It comes with the worlds most advanced OS”
    Really? its that much better then windows 7? how, and who ‘measured’ this to work out it was ‘most advanced’??
    Apple outrageous statement 4:-
    “It runs office and works with your existing PC files”
    So hang on a minute? I’m confused, It uses traditional PC software right? Kind of like a PC does….
    Apple outrageous statement 5:-
    “Its compatible with stuff”
    “stuff”…. seriously, “stuff”?!?! You can can plug things in and they work, my PC can do that and 9 times out of 10 i dont have to use an install disc or anything, Windows 7 sorts everything out for me.. So again, it does what a PC has been doing for decades.
    Apple outrageous statement 6:-
    “It doesn’t get PC viruses”
    Well PC’s don’t get mac viruses but read this Quote from an artical in ‘the inquirer’
    “Tyler Reguly, a senior security research engineer with Ncircle told the newnewinternet that if you take a look at the two platforms, and the mindsets of the companies behind them, then the Windows PC wins hands down. He said that the Mac ships with more exploitable vulnerabilities already on a system when it is delivered. Further, Eric Johanson, a security researcher pointed out that the Mac OS X has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows.
    However Apple is also actually more insecure because of the attitude of its customers. A computer’s security, if it exists, is only as good as the user. Unfortunately in the case of the Mac the user is a smug, technologically illiterate person who believes they are invulnerable because they use a Mac. Such people randomly press buttons, visit sites that sensible people don’t and download things carelessly because Apple’s marketing tells them they are safe.”
    Apple outrageous statement 7:-
    “It’s loaded with the latest technology, {snip}… powerful graphics bring the latest 3D games to life..”
    this is a lie, kind of proves how dumb apple mac customers are if they buy one to play games with.
    Best Apple Statement:-
    “It runs Windows and Windows applications”
    Oh, hang on, why would anyone want to run windows on it if it comes with the most advanced operating system already installed….. BUT if you did put windows on then you would have a PC, only more g4y looking. And not as fast or upgradable etc…
    RAWR! SAYS:
    March 30, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    Again I ask, Why Aluminum? I can only think because its cheap.
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel
    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too. Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong but they go with the weak and heavy material? Make sense to you?
    And why get Intel CPU’s but then AMD GPU’s. Its been proven that NVIDIA cards work better with Intel, rather then AMD. And AMD is cheaper then NVIDIA.
    So why does this company who boasts to have the best computers in the world, always pick the cheap option.
    MARK SAYS:
    March 31, 2012 at 7:51 am
    while at bestbuy…
    overheard a salesman telling customer, if you are careful you dont need antivirus like on windows. mac dont get virus, they only get trojan. wtf. once there is a risk of compromizing a system via a trojan, you already need an antivirus. i mean is like you dont get a,b,c… (std) by sleeping with him, but you only get z by sleeping with him. why not use protection? but sadly, choice of protection is very little on mac since security powerhouses are focusing first defences on win platform dedicating secondary resources on mac like everything else in life – flash, java, games, drivers, browsers, printers all seems to run better on the primary platform windows. so please dont try to kid the rest of the world with your nonsense.
    tried the imac 27 inch. doesnt do it for me. first, global menu is a waste of mouse motion especially with a small apps like calculator.
    compounding to problem, mouse acceleration is slow compared to win/linux. please do not suggest 3rd party software to change acceleration. going that route, we might as well install a 3rd party software to remove global menu. ubuntu hack firefox to use global menu does not do it for me neither. i am using a 22″ monitor. so on larger screen, i reckon local menus are better for me.
    not to start a war, but i hate excessive mouse movements. at the end of TIRED day of working, i dont want to drag a file from one corner of large screen to a trash icon. i dont want to use keyboard shortcuts to cut and paste, etc. i want to LIBERATE my left hand for a cup of coffee and use right hand to right-mouse click to delete files. is that too hard for mac users to understand.
    everytime you tell a mac user you cant used feature x, they will tell you can use the other extra limb to do feature x by pressing button y+z. very typical of mac users.
    you tell them one thing, they will tell you another way which is more involving (extra limb and 2 finger gymnastic). eg. i hate min,max,close button on left. mac users will tell you – who uses it anymore? – cmd +x.
    or flash is a no-show on ipad, html5 is the future. but i live in present, half the websites videos dont work without flash. compounding the problem html5 video is divided to h264 for ie,safari, and theora,webm for the others. fragmentation is gonna hampered adoption.
    third scrolling a webpage using safari is sluggish compared to scrolling with firefox on linux and windows. i know it is not same browser. not my computer, cant install anything in bestbuy. but i thought safari is the premiere browser on mac.
    to recap, not impressed other than Aesthetics exterior and interior (icons are beautiful). to me pc all the way. ubuntu is gone for me too. global menu and top left buttons
    CHEESE SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 12:38 am
    I read quite a few comments at first, but then I started noticing just how many there were on this page. Once I started scrolling down, I then realized again just how long ago this article and many comments were written. So after skimming for a bit, I just went straight to the bottom.
    Did JJ turn into Rawr? I noticed JJ stopped commenting and Rawr kind of picked up with his sarcastic comments.
    As I was reading through this article, I found myself chuckling out loud. I don’t think I have yet to read an article that was quite as cynical and sneering. I found the combination of the satire with the slight truths in the arrogant claims to be quite humorous. I think there was a poster near the beginning that said something about the satire (Raven something or another). I think a good number of people are taking this thing too seriously.
    There were four types of comments I saw over and over.
    1. People would try to argue every point made in the article with super detailed, lengthy explanations. Usually this was shrugged off by JJ with a short, sarcastic comment. Other times he’d take the time to respond with more detail, usually still involved sarcasm.
    2. People would insult the author’s behavior by acting in the same exact insulting fashion.
    3. People would put a combination of cussing, all caps, spamming, and whatever else to tell every putting up comment to stop arguing and to shut up. Usually these comments would say something about the author or everyone having no life. The only reason all these people exist is to argue over something stupid like computers.
    I think to myself, “This person is taking the time to argue with people that have no lives… over the issue of arguing about something pointless?”
    4. Finally there were the people with negative Mac experiences that would agree with the author. They usually received high fives from JJ.
    Those were my impressions of this article and the following comments. Now I’ll respond to a couple of the points made in the article.
    1. I thought this was pretty funny. I get this sort of impression of Mac users all the time. Keep in mind that most of my experience with Mac (and its users) comes from online. Typically I see these people through articles, blogs, forums, etc. Mac vs Windows arguments come up constantly in these venues. From my experiences, quite a hefty percentage of Mac users that take the time to put their opinions on the internet are:
    1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
    2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general
    2. I don’t think the brand name is worth quite as much as what Apple slaps on the price tags. Although, if one day I decide Windows isn’t doing it for me anymore, I don’t think the price will slow me down too much from purchasing a Mac.
    6. I’ve never really liked that dock thing. I think it’s a bit obnoxious.
    8. I’ve always been wary of the limitations I’d have being on a Mac exclusively. I’ll likely have a Windows machine if I ever do get a Mac, so it shouldn’t be too big a deal.
    10. I’m generally one to favor as much configuration as possible to get things how I like them. That’s actually something that’s drawn me toward some Linux distros, but they seem to take too much time to get simple things accomplished.
    CHEESE SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 1:05 am
    In this comment I’ll give the three reasons I don’t use a Mac.
    It seems that pretty much everyone agreed in the earlier comments that Windows was the gaming OS. I think this still holds true today. I do love my games, so that’s been the main thing keeping me with Windows.
    I honestly don’t have a ton of experience on Macs. Most of what I know is through what I’ve read online. I did use a Macbook fairly recently and enjoyed the way the Spaces worked. I was first exposed to the Virtual Desktops feature when messing around with Ubuntu. I later tried out a few pieces of Windows freeware, but it wasn’t quite as good to me. I think the way the Spaces work on a Mac are probably better than what I saw on Ubuntu. However, the thing that really impressed me was the multi-touch gestures you could use to navigate the Spaces. I liked the idea of separating navigation from the keyboard. While keyboard shortcuts weren’t difficult to use to change desktops, I liked the 3-finger-flick much better.
    I say all this about Virtual Desktops because that’s another thing keeping me from leaving Windows right now. That might seem strange at first, but I’m waiting to see what Windows 8 has to offer. They seem to be going all out with touchscreen interfacing and related technologies. This makes me think that Windows should be getting on board with all the multi-touch gestures and related features. I really liked that 3-finger-flick virtual desktop setup on Macs, so Windows 8 better have something similar or better…
    So the first thing keeping me on Windows is gaming. Something Windows has that Mac doesn’t. The second thing is something Mac has and Windows doesn’t… but Windows may have in the not too distant future. The third thing keeping me with Windows is something I can’t stand about Macs, particularly Macbooks. There’s no right button! I’ve complained about this lack of a feature with Macs to a few people, and they start telling me of all these ways I can do a right click. There’s no way it’s as efficient using any of those methods as it is physically clicking the right button.
    I haven’t used anything but a laptop touchpad for a few years now. I mentioned that I like gaming. One particular game I like is World of Warcraft. Pretty much everyone knows what this game is or has heard about it. I played that game with a touchpad, and it would be near impossible to do the same thing with an Apple trackpad.
    1. Click the bottom right side of the trackpad – If you click right where right clicks start registering, you don’t always get a right click. To ensure a right click, you need to click a little further to the right. This means your finger has to travel further to do a right click. Also, the entire trackpad moves when you click, so that interferes a tad with the regular left clicking. This method just seems really clunky.
    2. Tap with two fingers – I’ve always hating anything that used tapping on a touchpad. The first thing I do when I use a new touchpad is turn off “tap to click”. I find you’re much more likely to have misclicks when tapping. It’s just too inconsistent compared to clicking an actual button.
    On top of the problems with tapping itself, there’s no way to drag with the right click tap. I was told I could drag a left click by double tapping with one finger. Something like that may exist for the right click dragging. Waiting for this double tap to register so I can drag the cursor is just absurd.
    3. Hold CTRL and click – Holding one button down while clicking another button can never be equal to or better than clicking a single button. Even though it’s not hard, you’re now using two hands to do something a single finger should be able to do.
    On top of the added complexity, this method screws you up when you need your left hand for clicking keys while you use the right clicks. When playing a game like World of Warcraft, you are constantly clicking many keys with the left hand. Often times, the keys you’re clicking are used in conjunction with the CTRL key itself. Now things get really complicated.
    I have yet to see what I think is a valid reason for the trackpad not having a right click button. Yes, when you’re not doing something as intensive as gaming, the trackpad right click options are feasible. However, I feel like I’m downgrading in technology by using the trackpad for my right clicks. I thought newer technology was supposed to bring greater efficiency and ease of use. Not having a right button seems backwards to me.
    When software stops requiring right clicks to do things, I’ll stop worrying about a right click. Until then, I can’t stand not having a specific button for right clicking.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 1, 2012 at 3:47 am
    Unfortunately I didn’t start burning my time here until JJ left, or died, or whatever happened to him.
    I’m just wondering what happened to Steve. Also congrats(?) to WOW for staying here so long. People like Tucansam, and Redline would of caved by now and made an exit with some petty comment.
    MEH SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 2:40 pm
    You can’t fall for “delete System 32″ on a Mac.
    But other than that… meh
    RYAN SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!
    MARC SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 7:35 pm
    Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.
    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 2, 2012 at 11:19 pm
    “Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.
    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.”
    “SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!”
    Perfect example of the majority of Mac users.
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 12:14 am
    As a long time user of every platform available, I can speak to some of this lifetime long argument. I currently own a late 2009 MacBook and a newer Pro running Snow Leopard and Lion. To add, I own one Linux device and 5 Windows 7 devices, 3 of which are x64 and the other two are x32 machines I upgraded to win7.
    I will leave my Linux thoughts out of this because it is more a utility to me than anything. I have seen the growth of both Apple and the PC based devices over the last 30 years, starting as a 14 year old with a father that was heavy into computing before having a computer at home was possible.
    The author has a lot of truth in his post, most of the things he mentioned have been a nuisance to myself and others at one time or another. I won’t get into every detail, but from a high level over the years I have come to know for a fact that the second Apple releases anything, it is far more expensive than comparable PC offerings. That is hard fact and cannot be argued. The thing is, Apple is at war with many makers, that use similar hardware, many times newer and more powerful. Those companies rely on Windows and once they have their OEM license, they brand it and add their own touches to it, which often turns out to be useless and even annoying. Sure, there might be a cool add in once in a while, but I am the guy that buys a PC, takes it out of the box and wipes the drive so I can load Windows on it clean, in it’s pure form.
    I do this because I have learned that in the past, running a make like Dell, HP or Sony will eventually fail in some way or under perform due to “bloat ware”. I can promise this, that any PC with a retail load of straight Windows will be every bit as stable if not more than any Mac which is packaged with the software that Apple designed to work with their hardware. MS is genius, Billy boy made his OS work on EVERYTHING, somehow while maintaining the mistakes by the idiot who uses it. No, you don’t typically need to ever mention the word “driver ” with a Mac, but then again, it was delivered as a packaged deal. Of course you don’t need anything like that, if MS built a computer of their own, it would be perfection, but that is not their business. So MS is relying on PC makers to build decent products so that the end user isn’t sitting there blasting Windows all day for something they didn’t even build. Throw in that guy who thinks he is a PC builder and MS is really sticking their neck out.
    But this is 2012, these days, a child can throw a Win7 disk in the drive and the chances are, that thing is going to work with minimal configuration. I built one machine, a nasty one to serve as the do all, video, music, m*ss storage, gaming, doc building device that be upgraded, restored and serve me for years. It was built with the cream of the cream hardware with money as no object and that system ran me a whopping 1100.00. Much less than my Pro and a little less than my MacBook with max memory and HD. I personally know OSx well enough that I can figure out a way to pretty much do everything on a Mac that my PCs do, but the problem is that I find myself having to figure out a way, rather than it just happening. It wasn’t always that way, but for a system that is supposed to be so robust, it is indeed the case.
    I think more people have problems with the smugness of the Mac “fanboy” more than they do the actual machine. Or the attack marketing, where Justin Long mentions a problem that is typically present in any computing platform like it doesn’t exist with a Mac. For all the folks here that argue the author isn’t truthful, there sure is a lot of BS coming from the Apple camp about the product MS offers. Many of the very things Apple uses as ammo are things they can’t avoid their own product from doing.
    Viruses? Malware? With 2 kids and a tech challenged wife, my home hasn’t seen a virus or anything malware like for years, not a single instance on any of the machines. They use them all, yet not a problem to be found. Fact is, aside from my 8 year old letting her Dell battery drain all the time and having it shut down, we haven’t had a single crash either. I cannot say the same for my MacBook, which once in a while presents me with ” you need to power off” and a frozen screen. That is rare, but it happens. Justin Long tells you it won’t though, then he tells you how the PC does while the Mac is so superior.
    To me, it is the image Apple tries to portray that annoys me more than anything. I truly enjoy using my computers, the Apple products I have owned the past 27 years have been great, but so have the PCs. These devices can do amazing things considering the cost. It is an awesome time to be able to see all of it grow. Every user is going to have a preference and no one wants to be told that they spent their hard earned money on an “inferior” product. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Function is found by needs and desire. These days, we are all getting the best of both. Maybe Apple will open up a little in the future, a lot of that was Steve Jobs and his very stubborn way of saying “I am going to give people what I want and people are going to like it” attitude. My favorite all around computer is my MacBook, running Win7 x64 under boot camp. Traveling with it solves a lot of problems, but that took creation from both ends of the spectrum and still doesn’t do everything.
    I leave this doc*mentary with a tidbit from one of Apple’s heroes, Steve Wozniak. While at a computing convention primarily focused on robotics in California, I had the pleasure of listening in to an unplanned interview he had where a man asked him what he thought about Microsoft and Bill Gates. His reply was complimentary, but near the end, he said “I wish they built better computers”. The interviewer followed up with “but Steve, Microsoft doesn’t build computers.”
    His reply? “oh yeah, that’s right.”
    Typed from my iPhone….
    RAWR! SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 12:58 am
    @TECHNOJEDI
    Your comment needs to replace this article.
    LARS J SAYS:
    April 3, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    Only two types who buy Macs: Wannabe nerdy-types” and “Wannabe hipster-types” – is that right?
    So we bought our first Macs in 1993 for color scanning and digital imaging (there were no Windows PCs then that managed color). We went on to use our Macs to create over 28,000 published illustrations for various national publishers such as McGraw-Hill, Scholastic Books, and New Yorker.
    So which group do we fall into?
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 1:50 am
    @LARS J. Have you looked around every time you step into a store? Everyone uses PCs for their business. Seeing a handful of companies use macs and reading your story … it doesn’t impress me at all. Even if you watch that show “How It’s Made” every company uses PC. Even a lot of the machines that make our every day items are using Windows to program them.
    @RAWR. I was on vacation visiting family for the last couple weeks.
    SEMEN SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Well, you bought in 93 and hope you used it for several years (say 5), that puts you into the loser group. at 95-98, windows 95/98 users can work (cad,spreadsheet,publish,paint) and play directx/opengl games. mac at the era dont even use opengl. so all work, no play makes lars a dull loser. being a real minority at probably 1% stats, you are not only a loser but lonesome loser. hey, you ask which group knowing very well you paid expensive for a no-thrill computer.
    GHGHG SAYS:
    April 4, 2012 at 8:51 pm
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    MACSUCK SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 12:18 am
    I never have Mac but only thing I know it’s true is Mac doesn’t offer any flexibility to user!
    STEVE SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 8:50 am
    http://news.yahoo.com/more-600-000-macs-infected-flashback-malware-report-091608469.html
    Yep. It’s impossible for a mac to get a virus.
    GIBBS SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 9:56 am
    It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to pay $2000 for a 15″ Core i7 laptop with only 4 GB of RAM and 2 USB ports just because it’s aluminum and runs a customized version of Unix that has been rotting away for over a decade. The only thing Apple has done to OS X since it was first released is pack it full of useless features that few want and even fewer understand, like Versions and Launchpad. But what do you expect from a company that can’t even build a phone with a working antenna?
    Let me tell you, I may not be old, but I’ve been around long enough to have used every version of Windows and Mac OS since the early 90′s. I watched Apple as it grew, fell from glory, was bailed out, and made a comeback almost soley because of the iPod and iPhone. They fell behind in the desktop market back in the 90′s and, with the possible exception of OS X compared to Vista, they have never caught up since.
    Macs were a joke in the late 90′s and they’re a joke today. I *ssure you that Windows 7 beats Lion in almost every imaginable way. I use both regularly and there is simply no comparison — it makes Mac OS feel like a slow, outdated curiosity that’s trying to be more than the sum of its parts.
    TECHNOJEDI SAYS:
    April 5, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    I think the OSx vs Vista thing was blown out of proportion. Vista was not the problem that Apple made it out to be. There were some hardware vendor related driver issues and the change in interface threw the average user for a loop. I remember Apple making fun of the UAC, when OSx had their own UAC running since the early versions. The difference was that Vista shipped with it being restrictive out of the box and made it very easy to change to suit any situation.
    My parents crapped when they first used Vista on their new machine, all it took was for me to put it in cl*ssic mode and they have been using it for years without a single complaint. It was also a resource hog, but then again, it shipped on computers with resources. No matter, Win 7 solved that problem in a big way. I installed it on a 2002 Dell C610 laptop with 512 ram and a 30g drive and a P3 processor, gave it to my mother in law and it has been flawless for 2 years now.
    OSx is fine, if that is what you want it will work great, but there is no way that anyone can argue it was better as a whole than Vista. That is the fruits of Apple’s marketing and a major change in UI to a public who doesn’t take to change very well. Remember when XP