Why Mac Sucks: Top 10 Reasons Why Macs Blow, And Why Apple Loves Sh*t-Talking Articles Like This One

By   |  December 12, 2009

1. The only business model for Apple is narcissism. Its true. And for what its worth, the only “geniuses” that work for Apple are the members of their marketing team, because holy hell, we all know that the best way to sell a product in this day and age, especially to Americans, is to patronize their self-righteous beliefs. There are only 2 types of people that buy a Mac:

1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general

Either way, people who are confident enough in their knowledge, self-image, and skills rarely find it necessary (or justifiable) to buy one of these disgustingly over-priced machines. Which brings us to…

2. Macs are ridiculously overpriced. Not only do you get much less for your money when you buy ANY type of Macintosh computer compared to your other options, but you get royally screwed whenever you want any halfway-decent Mac machine. Compare 17-inch MacBook Pros starting at an astounding $2500 with thousands of 17-inch alternatives starting at just $599. This is partly because Apple price-fixes their products so drastically, but is mostly because they’d rather tell you what packages are available instead of letting you decide what works best for you. Hmm… what does that sound like?

3. Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends. Where to begin? Because of all the political (read: snobby) games that Steve Jobs gets involved with, most Macs still don’t have HDMI ports, eSATA ports, or BluRay drives, among other mainstream technology standards. Instead of HDMI, for example, they opt for out-of-date DVI ports (but of course only on the MacBook Pro models). This attitude is best summed up by Apple’s 2-decade-long push for world-wide FireWire data ports, which Apple finally dropped many years after its defeat to USB 2.0 was already obvious. (P.S. Apple invented FireWire…)

4. Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux. Its easy to assume that over 90% of Mac owners are not only unaware of this, but don’t have a clue what Linux is. Turns out that back in 1996, after Steve Jobs’ short-lived company NeXT stole its OS base from open-source (read: FREE) BSD Unix, it resold the now proprietary OS to Apple which then became OS X. Perhaps if OS X had the flexibility of Linux, or if Mac fanboys didn’t use Linux concepts (i.e. Terminal) as reasons to brag about OS X, there wouldn’t be so much smearing to do. (Warning: do NOT attempt ask any Mac fanboys about this, or they will ignore your question and start babbling about things like Firefox.)

5. There is no right-f*cking-click! Mac fanboys will respond to this by saying “actually you CAN get a 2-button mouse now!” but even when that is true, the EFFING RIGHT CLICK STILL DOESN’T DO ANYTHING. Oh, cool, I can copy and paste! Oh wait, but I can’t perform any other damn functions in Photoshop or otherwise. And crap, I forgot which combination of 5 keys I need to hold down for right click to work on my 1-button mouse? (Don’t even ask how to make the Delete button actually delete something…)

6. The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded. Again, where to begin?

7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.) I thought I would dispel all the Mac lies in one sentence, so there you go. If you have ever tried to open Photoshop along with a few other programs on a Mac, you will know this frustration well. More often than not the little rainbow wheel will starting spinning like crazy – that, or your Mac will simply freeze. This is because Macs can’t handle multi-tasking very well (although the issue has been improving, according to some). What hasn’t been improving though is the increasing amount of viruses being found on Macs. Sure, we could play the word game and clarify the difference between trojans and viruses, but the point is that Macs are no safer than any other computer, especially since they ship with their firewall turned off.

8. Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best. This is not an overstatement. I am the first to admit that the iTunes/iPod combination is pretty tight (with AAC disabled!). But that’s about it. Mac Mail, iPhoto, GarageBand, iChat, Quicktime, and the rest of the bundled Mac software mostly just sucks, or is extremely limited in what it can do. Luckily some programs like VLC and CuteFTP have recently started to offer Mac versions of their software, but good luck trying to find Mac versions of most popular freeware. Not only that, but their claim that “no hunting for drivers is needed” is only true because barely any hardware is made for Macs! For example, only the Airport Extreme card works with Macs but other PCI cards will not. Thus, if someone needed 802.11a, they would need to buy a (very) costly Ethernet adapter.

9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs. All true gamers already know this, so it really doesn’t require much explanation. Let’s just say that GizModo’s latest check confirmed that this is still true, even on the most expensive graphics card that MacBook Pro currently offers.

10. Macs are not flexible or customizable. This is a vague way to end things, but mostly because its the only way to sum up all the things that are wrong with Macs. We’ve already seen that you can’t customize their hardware or software, and that you can’t even use the Linux functions that *should* be present on any Linux distro. But even within Mac’s little world itself, you can barely change any options on their OS, user interface, The Dock, directory layout, etc. But hey, as long as the only thing you want to do is change your desktop wallpaper to be the photo you took at the latest indie rock show you attended, then by all means, buy a Mac.

For being so “progressive” Apple sure does seem like one stubborn-ass company. Oh, and please note that hating Macs doesn’t make you a Windows fanboy. It just makes you a reasonable person. =)

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  1. Someone else was SOURLIME as well tho.

  2. No. I am me,and SOURLIME no one else.

  3. LOL at the fact the RAWR! = STEVE
    Get a life RAWR!/STEVE

  4. I said EDITING. Your link was a good one. You proved your point well. As for you getting a life, I was speaking about After Effects. AE should not be used for editing. Premiere should.

    @ Steve: Maybe I was harsh on Rawr! he was helpful in one aspect. Maybe I should have told you to get a life…

  5. And my link did not provide video editors?

    Someone needs to learn how to read.

    Last I checked movies like Transformers used 3D animations for allot of things. AE and A:M are not solely used for Animated movies.

    As for my life you know nothing about me. Also I am typing this, and I am not a bot or anything of the sort. So I obviously must be alive. Not sure what you are implying.

    “Rawr! You are so dumb. I said editors. Not After Effects or Animation. Get a life before you say you have one.”
    “Obviously it’s not Apple users who are immature and IGNORANT.”

    Well, well…

  6. @GEORGE. What is with you isheep? If people prove you wrong you say get a life? If people know more than you than we must not have lives? That’s the only thing you isheep can say. “get a life” and “you must be poor because you can’t afford a mac”. I’ve already been through all that so I’m not going into detail. But shut the hell up already.

  7. Rawr! You are so dumb. I said editors. Not After Effects or Animation. Get a life before you say you have one.

  8. Well my 4th post vanished……

  9. Here is a small list.

    http://video-editing-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

    There is also After Effects and Animation: Master.

    Also most professional Video Editors use Linux based PC’s.

  10. Also your question was filled with immaturity and ignorance. So Irony?

  11. Because we already covered that. Not gonna do it again because you are too lazy to read/skim comments.

  12. You never answered my question. Obviously it’s not Apple users who are immature and IGNORANT.

  13. Yeah, this board is ridiculous now. apple users only prove more and more how immature and ignorant they are.

  14. Well this board has become a den of Trolls.

    I think I’m done here.

  15. EVERYTHING IS FREE!

  16. a lot of Appleholes

  17. alot of appplehole

  18. 1. I do a lot of video editing on my Mac. Years ago I started with iMovie which came with my Mac. Is there anything free that is as good as iMovie for a PC that is free? No. and don’t give me windows movie-maker because it is the worst piece of garbage that has ever come into existence besides a PC itself.

    2. Adobe Premiere is the only good thing to use on a PC for video editing. It costs a lot though and is not as good as Final Cut Pro. Why would any video editor switch to a machine that is totally lacking in what they need?

  19. PCs are…. uhhhhh, just a sec…… oh, yes! PCs are…………. one moment…. it’s right up here, I know it…… Oh, YES! Now I have it! PCs are awesome! Or at least, thats what the loser guy on the street that has no money says….

  20. ^^^^ Average PC user…

  21. I had 6 PCs over the course of 15 years. I took very good care of them in every way. I didn’t overload them with trash and didn’t ask more of them than they are supposed to be able to do. They all costed around $700. I bought a Mac 5 years ago and it still runs fine and fast. It can do everything it says it can and I have never had a case of it shutting down or “the dreaded pinwheel.” Tell me again why Macs are better?

  22. @ A computer says:

    It already says “says” for you. You must be a PC.

  23. Stop fighting about computers. They all work. Get a life, better yet, get a job.

  24. I agree with everything here, especially the one button mouse (Hey guys lets be different for the sake of being different) what idiot invented that? trying to figure out the window system has annoyed the hell out of me since day one. (had it for two months now and it still is completely incomprehensible) and why the hell doesn’t the close button actually close the program???????!!!!!!!!!!! my latest greatest mac book pro has crashed multiple times simply because of all the background processes!!!!!! I agree totally, Mac’s Suck

  25. I thought trolls, troll for the interwebz? It’s interwebz btw idk where u got internet from.

    So wouldn’t the score be. Interwebz/Trolls: 1 Intelligence: 0?

  26. ZzzzZzzz

  27. @RAWR Well, we got you to reply to and complain about the troll, so I would say TROLLS: 1 INTERNET: 0
    :P

  28. It you are gonna Troll please try harder. Your basic trolling is just painful to watch.

  29. Keep it up guys a computer is just a computer. A lot of fanboys out there acting like children Wahh pc is better and the other dude says Mac is better blah blah blah shut the fck up Acting like Little children well done guys keep it up we need our laughs

  30. Thanks for the 2 years and 4 months worth of flame war!
    Keep it up guys, we trolls need our laughs. :D

  31. By the way, I was just being stupid about coming back to check who contradicted you. Yes, that’s what you are supposed to do. Don’t worry, I’m just being weird…. again.

  32. Sure, sure… let’s see, can I make up another random fact…? Ahah! Yes! Macs can fly you to wherever you want to be in 3.2 seconds. Top that!

  33. Contradicting? Basically this whole board is a debate. So now we can’t debate or its contradicting? apple users come on here and act like little children and make up random facts. PC users tell straight facts.

  34. Well, “Steve” the real one. Just because one person is acting weird, doesn’t mean everyone is. A typical PC user is one who always comes back to a website like this and checks to see who contradicted him so that he can yell at him.

  35. ^^^ Not the real Steve. Typical apple users.

  36. Just kidding, I love Macs! All those people that say Macs are useless (as I have just given an example of) are IDIOTS! RAWR! is a fanboy!

  37. macs are useless. If anyone got a PC for free there are endless things you can do on it. Why the hell would I keep a mac?

  38. @WHAT IF

    Want to know something funny? I got a mac for free and guess what I did? I used it for a day and sold it. Go figure.

    So RAWR could easily sell or throw it away if he got one for free.

  39. Definition of a fanboy: RAWR!

  40. @ RAWR!

    Yes you would, I know you would and you know you would and everyone else knows you would. Don’t be dumb.

  41. @WHAT IF

    I wouldn’t own a Mac even if it was for free.

  42. 1. This article was written Dec. 12, 2009. Too long ago to trust.

    2. Everyone should use PCs and Macs. Both are good, both work, and working with both keeps job opportunities open. Preferences are fine, just keep them to yourself. I have a preference, but I keep it to myself. I hope it doesn’t kill any of you to follow.

  43. @everyfanboys
    macs will not suck if the (fanboys) users ain’t actin like having an apple logo in the ass made ’em like superior species and other platforms like chimp-sis-in-law.

    macs should be produced like any other pc (which the components and hardware qualities are substantially the same) and not ripping off of people arse. admit that nothing special about it.
    if matter of the OS’s,it’s stupid to argue ’cause people adapt to different situations and experience (it’s subjective case). ones can get used to use windows first and the otherwise apply.

    apple is patent hag, and ms are the same(with a little more freedom).
    –difference is windwos swarmed the market, and devs (,hacks, and pirates) are more interested in that.

    you could troll on till bill gates die ore WW3 comes. stop fuckin’ arround!

    either you had an apple shoved in the ass or dick hangin’ on windows,
    get out of here and
    get a religion!

    or find yourselves a real pair of tits!

  44. @Everyone:

    You are able to customize a Mac, it is, yes, slightly harder, but it can be done. Don’t whine that it can’t be done. Also, the main reason why people love Macs is because they know what they are getting. With PCs, the average person can’t tell what computer is best for him. PCs are fine. It’s just that Apple has made a company that tells you in simple words what you are getting and they make sure it works. If it doesn’t, they fix it. It is so much harder to get a PC fixed/replaced by the company that made it then it is an Apple product.

  45. I read it all buddy. And a ton of other articles. :) You would still buy it. I promise.

  46. Also (Correct me if I am wrong.) Windows was a Business class company until they released Windows ME, and it was only till Windows XP that they started taking user input to heart.

  47. @WHAT IF?

    You obviously read NOTHING on this board.

    “AHAHA: please post your internet-facing IP address, and we’ll see how secure you are.”

    Why don’t you do the same? He didn’t say his computer was impenetrable, He’s saying its far more secure then a Mac. Which is a fact.

    Cant seem to find the page or my post with the link, but if I remember correctly, Apple has over 1600 security vulnerabilities while Windows 7 has less than 200.

  48. Look at this. PCs are about as streamlined as PC users! A brick!

    http://whytejam.es/post/9293449200

  49. If all the Apple products dropped down to the price of other products, I promise each and every one of you PC users would buy the stuff! You are all whining about the price!

  50. PCs are Macs. PC stands for PERSONAL COMPUTER!

  51. Give us the facts or at least the resources of the facts of why macs have the least secure products and software. Until then, you are your name. I agree with, “A smart person” though mostly.

  52. //My system is completely secure, far more secure than any apple product. Additionally, experts (not idiotic mac children) have explained multiple times, WITH actual facts, that apple produces the least secure products and software of ANYONE.//

    AHAHA: please post your internet-facing IP address, and we’ll see how secure you are.

  53. Why does everyone hate each other over computers?!? Everyone should be comfortable using both.

  54. holly hell. after years, this posts are still rolling.guess old man Jobs didn’t bring the battle to his grave.
    sometimes ago i might have a theory that “PC owned by the users, while Mac owned the users”. i might wrong.
    i did’nt have grudge to either mac-fans or win-fans. i respect people choices. i am myself a win+ubuntu (desktop) user. i admit every platform has it flaws.
    after little observations, i learned that some people (not everyone) buy mac because it was cute, disregard what the’re gonna do with it. then after growing some brains and “get used” to it, they become geniuses and learned that mac’s sucks. so they throw’em macs and buy windows.
    but some other user that “found” the uses of mac are still hold into it and i can respect that. (no offense)
    well, thats only in my retard hypothesis.

    === nothing is true, and everything’s permitted===

  55. Flashback is a nasty malware program that has infected 600,000 MAC computers, possibly stealing all of their passwords(hahahaha). It targeted all platforms via java but MACS got hit the worst because they were the slowest to update their sh**. Windows and Linux patches were applied almost immediately via ORACLE….oh silly mac users, welcome to the real world

  56. this is too perfect for this blog: I must first say I understand this is actually a flaw in java, not mac OSX however it shows the truth about MACs and their current security posture…..overconfident, slow to react, and security through obscurity…looks like we didn’t learn anything from the years of windows’ mistakes:
    Here’s how Apple’s silence on security contributes to the problem:

    Apple doesn’t allow Oracle to patch Java. The latest round of malware could have been avoided with faster patching. Since Apple likes to control its patching it is often behind. The window of exposure on the Mac platform is longer. The easy fix here is to let Oracle do the patching.

    Apple has a rudimentary antivirus update utility that’s updated with signatures only when there’s a big enough threat. Apple knew about Flashback, which has been pointed out by security researchers, but didn’t ship an update.

    Apple users have no idea if they are infected and don’t know how to search. Why would they know? Apple has told them there are no viruses on the Mac. This false sense of security is the primary reason Apple needs to start talking. Apple users are smug about security.

    Anti-virus vendors can’t provide protection to the Mac because users don’t think they are needed.

  57. It’s funny how all the mac bitches have probably provided a decent adsense return because of their whining and bitching.

    I actually make real art and it doesn’t come from any apple product, that’s for damn sure. I’m not talking about PS/AE presets and garageband loops. Real art and real compositions that actually earn money.

    Additionally, there isn’t a single apple product that provides even half of the potential compute power that I use daily. You little intel/apple shits have so much to learn.

    I build my own machines, they are all completely stable and often at 100% usage across many, many physical cores for several days at a time when I’m rendering complex scenes or calculations. I also download whatever I want (but I know what I’m downloading)and never get maleware, spyware or viruses.

    I haven’t had a windows virus in many years either. No additional firewalls or anti-virus is necessary. Only sense, which must not be all that common. My system is completely secure, far more secure than any apple product. Additionally, experts (not idiotic mac children) have explained multiple times, WITH actual facts, that apple produces the least secure products and software of ANYONE.
    The only problems with windows come from incompetent users. Mac users, by definition, are incompetent.

    Go suck some more dick mac bitches. Though, your mouths are already full.

  58. None of you guys really get the PC vs MAC thing, do you? I was a PC guy for years and when I was going to Grad School, I had very (emphasis on very) few requirements. I wanted something light-weight so that I could easily carry around. I wanted something with enough battery life so that I can work sitting anywhere and work without having to worry about a power outlet. I wanted something reliable enough that I can basically forget about its maintenance for the next 3 years. Let me tell you guys, I DID NOT WANT to buy a mac. Because my budget was such that I either get a macbook pro or get a pc+DSLR. And you know what, I chose the Mac. There is simply NO PC/Laptop there which meets these simple/basic requirements. And don’t give me the argument that I am an ‘arts’ guy who doesn’t do techie stuff. I use R/Matlab and am a mathematical programmer. And as much as I wanted a DSLR, I don’t regret making the change to macs. My MacPro has simply proven so reliable. Occasional crashes yes, extra software charge, yes. But the peace of mind I have with the utterly reliable battery life and hardware is unparalleled. And I don’t care for OSX vs Windows as I use Bootcamp for windows-only softwares.

  59. @leslielandberg
    couldn’t have said it better myself

  60. I have been using mac products for about five years now and in general I am completely underwhelmed. The company’s media promotion strategy reminds me of P.T. Barnum’s brand of hucksterism. Their business stragegy smacks of elitism and the crassest, most cynical type of upsell imaginable. But I am enamored of their iPad – for the most part they got that right. Here are some of the things I always say regarding my experiences with the Mac vs. the PC. First of all, I have a twelve year old PC tower currently running Windows XP. It has more than enough muscle to handle all the latest software. How??? a Mac user might wonder…well, baby, it’s not pressure sealed at the factory with underpowered memory and drives. It opens up with a regular screwdriver and there’s just tons of space in there and you just take yourself down to the PC mom and pop store in your neighborhood and for $25 you got yourself a butt load of extra memory, and you slide that puppy in all by your lonesome, no tools required, no expertise, your 6 year old or granny could manage it…and you’re good to go. I like to brag to all my Macbook user friends, who have forked over $2,000 for their fancy computers and will still require a thousand bucks worth of periferals and many days, months and even years waiting for the right software upgrades, fixes and patches- which still won’t work (not to mention the frequent expensive repairs). I have never needed to service the PC…except when the fan needed to be replaced because it had cat hairs in it and thus burned out, lol. I could have replaced it myself. A five to ten dollar part and a screwdriver is all that is required. When a Macbook fan burns out, it is about $250 if not more and takes a week to get back. I will have my 2000 PC for another ten years. It is built like a goddam TANK and has tons of expandable ports for components, as well as periferals which can actually be fit right into the tower. Soooo much room, so cheap, so easy, so reliable. PC’s are for proles! They are the real work horses. Oh, and when I am using a word program, cut and paste (the most frequently performed function) can be done in one flowing move, taking approximately one second, and one hand, with absolutely effortless precision. With the Mac, it takes two hands and roughly three or four seconds, plus there is much less control with the Mac and you can easily over and undershoot your destination, and basically slip and slide all around your text, there is no control. What takes one second on the PC, takes ten to fifteen seconds of painstaking frustration on the Mac. That is insane! And the Mac freezes up all the time when you want to do any sort of multitasking. Now, it is true, if I wanted to spend another $2000 for some fancy periferals to keep everything running, and put in some new shelves and get a huge bulky bag to tote all those drives and speakers and things around with me, I surely could do that. Or I could spend next to nothing, FIND a discarded PC, throw in some cheap upgrades and free shareware and be good to go. And I sneezed on my brand new Mac and the keyboard fried out on one side. That would have been a $150 fix and a week in the shop….Cheap shit!

  61. Making a laptop shell out of aluminum is not going to do anyone any good so it doesn’t matter. I actually like my acrylic unibody MacBook better than I do the aluminum pro. It isn’t going to hurt anything, but it isn’t anything to rave about. Computers are the perfect application for plastics. Some of which jaw lasted a very very long time. Most will certainly out last the machines life of use. I had the privilege of being assigned a new dell machine that is by far the best built portable I have ever seen. We are testing them for mass deployment and putting the enterprise image to the test on it. It has the same display as the 13″ MacBook but is meant to be docked at temp workstations and virtual office setups with external I/O components.

    The plastic it is made of will not fail and other makers are going to selling similar machines to keep up. The horsepower of this device is. No different than that of my corporate issues m4500, which has 12g of memory, 1tb storage and the 8 core intel. I have loaded VMware on this device and can run at least 4 separate machines before seeing a performance hit and that hit is barely an issue. No student is their right mind would choose any MacBook over this machine if they care about function, battery life, portability and appearance.

    Apple is going to thrive in the post pc or satellite device like tablets and phones, because they are the main player, they are the Microsoft of that arena. When the public starts getting in touch with this new breed of device, Apple is going to take an even bigger hit in the personal computing area. Sure, there are always going to be apple fans who will buy nothing else, even I will, but for those people on the fence who are limited by choice, they will have no doubts in their mind. Funny how all those Justin Long type commercials aren’t running anymore huh?

  62. “This is a good example of why people both hate and love apple products. The lovers go for the fact that Apple controls the end user experience right down to the final detail. The haters avoid for the very same reason.

    Personally, I feel that if someone purchases something, he should have the right to do with it whatever he likes so long as it isn’t hurting anyone else. Apple obviously disagrees. The geek community is full of people who want to take their gadgets and play with them, not worrying about the manufacturers arbitrary limitations. Apples constant interference with this desire, as well as their sanctimonious “better then everyone else” attitude will continue to drive a wedge between users, and hamstring the innovation the claim to champion.”

  63. Apple is likely known for blackboxing their products (ie, sealing them shut and making them hard to open/dis*ssemble accept by their own guys @ the Apple Store (But wait, the MBA is completely welded shut! Even Apple can’t open their own products!)

    Alright, now that we got that past, let’s get some !#/bin/sh straight.

    (Tooken from iFans forums, that came from a long way – It’s a long story.)

    pple is going to run-down their company and ruin the Mac as we know it. When Mac OS X 10.9 comes out, who knows what Apple will be doing by then. Changing the works, setting restrictions from their headquarters in Cupertino, to try to control what you can and can’t do, which will cause famous non-Apple apps on your Mac to stop working, such as:

    • CleanMyMac.
    • iStat Server.
    • Skype for Mac.
    • Microsoft Office + Office Suite 2011 (Well it will stay, but many features requiring system-level access may be revoked, it will be smacked-around by Apple, so to speak).

    All these apps will simply not run, because they are not ‘Apple Approved’ applications. Along with Mac OS X 10.8 +/10.9 / possible OS XI (11) coming out, they might be even more restricted. Here’s where the crap comes, it sounds crazy, but listen. Apple will may start encrypting all updates and use SSL for every transfer (they probably already do) due to ‘security’ of course, they may or may not starting locking the OS from external connection, e.g. A Windows PC can’t connect to a Mac via Network Shares, etc…
    Crap that may or may not happen:

    • • • Apple will seal off their Macs. I mean sure Modifying your computer is great, but really, why would you want to go to an Apple store anytime there is something wrong with your Mac, or you need to install new RAM and stuff? Only Apple-Approved RAM. Have you also heard about Apple screwing in and making batteries non-user replaceable? Well, that’s happened to the MacBook Air, the the original MacBook, hell, why not the MBP?

    • • • Terminal is a no-no! Yes, everyone LOVES the Terminal and Unix commands, I mean who does not? Every Unix/Linux nerd loves geeking with Unix! But Uh-Oh. Here comes Apple the king of their software. They’ve decided terminal is a no-no and Nobody wants them re-modding their Macs back to freedom of 3rd Party apps and free source. What happend to freedom anymore?

    • • • Restrictions, Restrictions, Restrictions, baby! Just like on the iPhone, iPod and all other iDevices, their devices will be fully-restricted and no external access to them will be allowed, heaven forbid we steal Apple’s source! Only Apps that are allowed here on Apple’s OSX, are iTunes/App Store Approved and installed ones, but the truth actually could be that 3rd party Apps are still allowed, but although, the bad side is that People will most likely upload these iTunes stolen apps up on uTorrent or something, then everybody who has a Mac could get a free, say; $50 App for free, say, (Just an example!) PhotoPro for Mac v.2.12, and you don’t have to pay, you just download and ‘click and drag’ to your Applications folder. No (App store) Apps will run on your Mac unless they are hooked with the same UUID, and aren’t blacklisted by Apple (yes, they can! see http://www.intomobile.com/2008/08/07/apple-can-blacklist-and-remotely-disable-applications-on-your-iphone/) and having to use a restricted computer that can only do things the company wants it to do would be seriously terrible, Apple. (Microsoft already has Windows marketplace for Windows 8 Metro apps, so no biggy, right?). I’m not trying to be stereotypical here but I think Microsoft could try to do the same thing, and then we BOTH (Mac + PC) will have locked, worthless machines that can’t run 3rd-party software except what THEY allow, MOCKING the whole computer industry as we know it.

  64. Good day! I could have sworn I’ve been to this website before but after checking through some of the post I realized it’s new to me. Nonetheless, I’m definitely happy I found it and I’ll be bookmarking and checking back often!

  65. Stopped being lazy, and looked more into the corrosion thing. My source was comparing Stainless Steel vs Aluminum.

    To be honest I didn’t even look that far into it.

    Anyway I was wrong about two things, you happy?

    You still over reacted, and are still being ignorant about the other things I was -by your standards- wrong about.

  66. “i listed all the comments that you made that were ignorant, about the planes, about the corrosion, about being able to fix rust, the weight”

    I have nothing to be sorry for. I wasn’t wrong about the planes. You implied they where made of nothing but aluminum I just corrected you.

    I’m not sure about the corrosion, if you have so much confidence that I’m wrong then please bring proof. Just your word, if that’s all that was needed then we are both right.

    You CAN fix rust, so I don’t know what you mean there. weight and density go hand and hand if something is dense it will most likely be heavy.

    I already admitted to being wrong about the weight when you first pointed it out, so I don’t see the problem.

    P.S. You done yet? ; )

  67. rawr! is it too late to say im sorry and forget this sh**

  68. the obvious downfalls to allowing hardware vendors to make the hardware as in the case with windows based PC’s is the driver issues….these are not actually windows problems rather, the hardware vendor’s for making a crappy driver. windows upgrades to make thing incompatible doesn’t help though. but the sacrifice is worth the capital reward, all your tech related jobs can probably be traced to the decision of windows staying out of the hardware business.

    In terms of quality of OS/hardware in macs and PCs, I think Macs put out a quality product in terms of life of hardware. With the PC, you have choice of manufacturer and some are better than others, but I have had an ASUS eeepc for two years, no issues with anything. I also own a tower that I ‘built’ and have had for for years, nothing, and must repeat nothing has broken, and it was a lot cheaper than the equivalent MBP. And even nothing broke, the stuff I wanted to upgrade, say, video card…I upgraded for 150 bucks, and 10 minutes of work to install. Instantly a better computer for games and graphics related processing. Can’t do that with a MAC….that’s all im saying

  69. ill do this thread a favour…
    Macs suck, they are overated overhiped overpriced and well marketed to tools who’s view of them using the coolest looking tech gadget is more important than the actual usefullness or value. They put out a mediocre product for an outrageous price.
    It took Windows along time to become a mature robust secure OS, but it is that. Their business model is also what allowed the market and world to become what it is today, everyone should thank bill for that. without the microsoft software license model, and their desire to only make a good OS not the entire computer, allowed for the hardware market to explode, it allowed for capitalism to flourish, and in the end created a more flexible, and customisable product.

    As opposed to the Apple model which closely guards and controls all of its software and hardware, preferring the proprietary model instead of the universal model, which windows used. It’s gimmicky and relatively useless features that is loves to boast are just that, useless. It should be no contest…windows ownz apple in just about every way except for douchebag appeal

  70. let me simplify
    your were wrong first about the weight/density and the implication that aluminum is a poor quality metal
    then about it being more corrosive than steel in humid conditions

    the rest is just semantics

  71. d*mnit man, read what i just wrote, i listed all the comments that you made that were ignorant, about the planes, about the corrosion, about being able to fix rust, the weight (i say the density because that is the right word not weight…which again points out more of your own ignorance). all you had to say was whoops im an idiot aluminum is the least dense metal used for commercial construction and support structures, and its not real a sign of cheap quality although it is cheaper to produce, and I would have shut the f*ck up. but you didn’t you continued to argue your stupid point the same as I did,
    as my last post points out, you continued with more and more and, still now, more stupidity and troll bait…the only thing im sad for in myself is getting trolled by an idiot like you, please please continue to wallow in your stupidity and reign as supreme king (queen?) troll and take the STEEL d*ldo that is in YOUR *SS and beat yourself over your head with it until your happy…if you want to call me out for obnoxious rants…your were right there toe to toe dancing with me the whole time, so you are talking about yourself as well.

    some more troll bait for you; here is why saying density is correct and weight isn’t:

    DENSITY is a physical property of matter, as each element and compound has a unique density associated with it. Density defined in a qualitative manner as the measure of the RELATIVE “heaviness” of objects with a CONSTANT VOLUME.

    so saying steel weighs more than aluminum isn’t technically correct(if you don’t like that go take an entry level college physics class), saying it is more dense is a more correct statement

    and again, i have no affinity for aluminum, i could give a f*ck less, i just know i got trolled by you…good day sir or ma’am

  72. Here an award *Hands SRK an award* For knowing noting that was discussed on this topic other then Aluminum.

  73. “like I said i couldn’t help dismantle your ignorant thoughts when you expressed them the way you did”

    I was wrong really? Like with what? The weight of aluminum? Congratz you wasted time trying to dismantle my statement that I made a while ago and only managed to ‘prove’ me wrong on one point.

    “then you followed up with more ignorance”
    Really? How so? By stating facts I obtained from research?

    “and you are wrong about everything you said”
    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel- Right
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel- Right
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel- Wrong

    I don’t think 1 out of 3 qualifies as everything.

    “and you are wrong about everything you said….how are you so stupid that you don’t see this?”

    I cant see whats not there. Lend me your fog machine, so I can see what you see.

    “you have cluttered this forum with more useless sh** (and a lot of wrong sh**) more than anybody else.”

    Didn’t know one time was considered clutter. If once gets you this mad then I cant wait until you start on everyone else. Oh wait they didn’t talk about Aluminum…

    “you make me sad for humanity…”

    You make me sad too. Didn’t know someone could get so pissed off over something so small.

  74. “Also I never made a density comparison.”

    Mistake.

  75. I already admitted I was wrong about the weight. And how did I show any ignorance before this Aluminum thing? Why does this bother you so much? Is it because you know of nothing else but that?

    Pull the Aluminum stick out of your ass and shut the fuck up.

    I am not wrong about most of the post I put of Aluminum. If anything my source is to blame, It told me that Aluminum is heavy junk (As a joking example then it went in depth.)

    I don’t see how you proved me wrong on any of the other matters.

    I don’s see how getting the fact that under certain conditions Aluminum can be heavier then steel. I am not wrong about Aluminum being more corrosive then steel. It is YOU who does not want to admit that you are wrong. (If I am in fact wrong, again blame my sources as well as bring me substantial proof that you are right.)

    Also how does being wrong about one thing make my other statements ignorant?
    Still sounds like your the ignorant one here.

    I don’t need to see most of my post because I wrote them all. Again Ignorant people cant understand the truth. Ignorant people use their own logic.

    “Here is how I apply your ‘logic’ with the density comparison”
    “Or I can use REAL logic”
    I only know of one type of logic, there aren’t other forms. Just the Truth and a Lie. And if you see more then one, then you must be using the lie.

    Also I never made a density comparison.

  76. Here is my composite list of ignorant things you have said that sucked me down to your level(all of which are wrong!):

    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel–way to complicated to discuss here, but not really true

    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel–effing really wrong…upon further research aluminium is one of the least dense metals

    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too. Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong but they go with the weak and heavy material? Make sense to you?—-this is my favorite

    Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions—jesus this is so wrong i mean i thought it was common knowledge that steel rusts and for most uses aluminium doesn’t corrode at all

    Also planes aren’t solely made out of Aluminum—true but the parts that count are, so the metal must be pretty strong,light and rust proof

    Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired–wow…anyway….unless the metal you use doesn’t rust

    No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel—again too complicated for you or me

    ignorant people normally cant understand anything other then their own opinion so its understandable.—the irony is hilarious (see most of your posts and especially the ones above)

    if you re-read my original comment, that started this rant I just made fun of that fact that you said aluminium is cheap and heavier than steel because I thought it was common knowledge that aluminum is cheap because of it’s abundance not because of quality, and that it is lighter than steel. you followed with so much stupidity thereafter I feel like you just trolled me along…and i still do…or perhaps you are just stupid

    but truly am sorry for the topic change…i hate macs there…

  77. like I said i couldn’t help dismantle your ignorant thoughts when you expressed them the way you did….then you followed up with more ignorance….and you are wrong about everything you said….how are you so stupid that you don’t see this? or are you too proud to admit it? you have cluttered this forum with more useless sh** (and a lot of wrong sh**) more than anybody else. you make me sad for humanity….off track or not

  78. @RAWR. Took the words out of my mouth. Way off track.

  79. doityourself,com/forum/fences-gates/451189-steel-vs-aluminum.html#b

    I’m sure these people will enjoy your company.

    I didn’t look to hard, because I’m sure you already have one to ‘argue’ on.

  80. Cool story bro.

    Moving on, or you still wanna shout some more?

    Ether way you are wrong, but idc anymore.

    Topic has gone to far off track, not gonna help you build a new station.

  81. Aluminium is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST) I wasn’t talking about plastic.

    I know you aren’t talking about plastic but you said MAC people talk about the superiority of the product, you try to denounce by saying “why use aluminium in a product when its such a cheap metal” (paraphrasing) then you go on about how aluminium is cheaper, heavier, and weaker. although you are right in saying lbs for lbs steel is stronger, that doesn’t make it practical or better for a laptop!!! or anything computer related. So I say, aluminium is better than plastic (arguable), plastic is cheaper and has the appearance of lower quality than metal. PC’s use plastic which is extremely cheap, can be very fragile, has a vastly larger range of quality, and temperament with age and exposure to the sun causing weakness and brittleness in plastics when compared to commercial grade aluminium. Therefore aluminium is a sign of a higher quality construction compares to plastics (which most PCs use). You shouldn’t be basing any arguments that MACS aren’t quality products because they chose to make the shells of laptops out of aluminium.

    I can’t resist ignorant talk (you) so I come and tell you its not heavier (3X lighter actually) and that simply saying steel is stronger isn’t entirely the truth. then you go on about aluminium’s corrosion (couldn’t help but notice you didn’t respond to how wrong you were about that) which is more ignorance…

    I will concede this one point, steel is stronger.
    stainless steel does not easily corrode
    steel corrodes VERY easily (eg. cars, steel hardware, steel anything!!!!)
    aluminium is does not corrode easily (eg. macbook cases, sony cases, my aluminium boat, soda cans, aluminium foil….do you need more examples??)

    now for your “some aluminium alloys are heavier than steal”
    I can use your logic (as you used with the strength issue):
    “No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel.”

    Here is how I apply your ‘logic’ with the density comparison:
    lowest grade steel is heavier than lowest grade aluminium highest grade aluminium is lighter than highest grade steel.

    Or I can use REAL logic:
    Aluminium is already 3X lighter than steel, you can’t make an alloy of aluminium (you say grade but you actually mean alloy. grade has do with purity of refined metal) denser than an alloy of steel unless you mix it with a metal that is denser than steel! and even then it would have to make up the majority of the alloy to overcome how light aluminium already is. Or unless you make a steel alloy with a metal greater than 3X less the density of steel, and again that metal would have to make up the majority of the alloy. Show me this alloy, then show me the practicality of its use. YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN

    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-alloys-densities-d_50.html

    here you can see densities of metals and alloys and how hard it would be to make a steel alloy lighter than an aluminium one and vice versa and even if one did make such an alloy what is its practical use and does it have anything to do with PCs AND MACBOOKS!!!! lastly you are the king troll here keep up the good work

  82. Did you read any of my other comments?

    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST) I wasn’t talking about plastic.
    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel (WRONG) No it is not wrong. Lowest grade Aluminum is weaker then lowest grade Steel, highest grade Aluminum is weaker then higher grade Steel.
    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel (WRONG) Depends on the grade. Some is heavier then Steel.

    You are obviously underestimating the quality of steel.

    “NO YOU DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE” ignorant people normally cant understand anything other then their own opinion so its understandable.

    All your saying depends on the grade of Aluminum and Steel. So we are both right and wrong. This argument will go no ware so I’ll end it here.

  83. “Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions”—-are you kidding me? have you ever seen bare steel in a humid environment? or shoot even steel that hasn’t been painted well that has been exposed to any elements. I have a small unpainted/treated aluminium fishing boat. For 40 years it has sat its happy *** in water, been rained on snowed on, scratched, kicked mistreated, and has shown little to no corrosion if this had been bare steel it wouldn’t even exist unless i had maintained constant care.

    “Aluminum owes its excellent corrosion resistance and its usage as one of the primary metals of commerce to the barrier oxide film that is bonded strongly to its surface and, that if damaged, re-forms immediately in most environments.
    On a surface freshly abraded and then exposed to air, the barrier oxide film is only 1 nm thick but is highly effective in protecting the aluminum from corrosion.

    The natural film can be visualized as the result of a dynamic equilibrium between opposing forces-those tending to form compact barrier layer and those tending to break it down.”

    read around, you have to try to corrode aluminium, it needs a strong base or acid o do so along with some constant long term neglect to corrode aluminium, for the use of a laptop shell you would really have to mess something up to cause any substantial/noticeable corrosion…

    stop comparing aluminium with steel in regards to corrosion,they aren’t even on the same league let alone playing field

  84. steve’s on the money. most people who have an understanding of computer technology, and especially the process marketing that technology, will tell u that apple are actually selling u a badge/brand, not a new piece of groundbreaking, quality tech that has been rigorously tested and re-tested. why do u think the whole apple campaign has that “we’re carefree, edgy, dancing silhouettes on a pastel background” feel to it. i’ll tell u why… because they know that they have a sub-standard product that they know they have to aggressively push to get “sales momentum”, and in advertising if u cant use the specs to promote the product, then u have to resort to the ego, and thats how we end up with apple ads consisting of silhouettes of young people “dancing like no-ones watching”. U see, that whole “care-free” bit is the hook. young people see those ads and think its cool, and its these trend buyers who will go out and (or more often than not, make their parents) spend ridiculous amounts of dollars on a piece of tech without even researching the specs and seeing what other products are actually out there. and thats where we’re at with the iphone vs android debacle. Android is far and away the better piece of tech on all levels, yet u still see teens cuing up for the next iphone (which is pretty much no different from the last iphone)…actually, i think the last iphone had some issues with several screens exploding when taken on short flights (and i mean 45minute regional flights). substandard tech + cheap and crappy parts = kablooey…iphone…. the happy meal toy in a smart phone world. ; )

  85. “Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired”

    Yes it can, but do you really want to sand, prime and put a clear top coat (or colour of your choice) your pc laptop shell? Then repeat this every time it gets scratched and starts rusting again…..jebus man

  86. and d***it i said most PC laptops are made of plastic, not all. it is dependant on the manufacturer. Sony loves to use aluminium for their shells. Go to Best Buy right now and you will see that the majority of the shells are made of plastic. You:

    “Again I ask, Why Aluminum? I can only think because its cheap. (PC MANUFACTURERS USE PLASTIC WHICH IS DEFINITELY CHEAPER THAN ANY METAL, SO WHAT!!)

    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel (PLASTIC IS THE CHEAPEST)

    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel (WRONG)

    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel (WRONG)

    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too(AT A BIG COST). Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong(ALUMINIUM IS THE PERFECT SOLUTION FOR THIS) but they go with the weak and heavy material(WRONG….BAD FACTS)? Make sense to you? (NO YOU DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE)”

    It doesn’t make any sense to use steel, you want a light laptop not a steel beast. Stainless steel being more expensive doesn’t make it better…just harder to make. Aluminium is just the better choice for a laptop, you don’t have to do anything to it to keep it from rusting, its lighter, and although it doesn’t have a lot of lustre, it looks decent and since most PC’s use the much much cheaper alternative of a plastic shell, they can stand out against the plastic PC’s

  87. see I wasn’t talking about making a jib, I was talking about making a plane. And their is a good reason why they use aluminium,not because it is cheap, but because for what a plane needs for strength and weight, the aluminium alloy is strong enough and lighter than it would be if they used steel, so they save money in gas by making the plane lighter….

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  89. apple users can’t think for themselves. They listen to all the hype. Of course if you go to an apple store they will tell you apple is better.

  90. The “Apple has better hardware quality” bs comes from apple commercials. Nothing else. apple users are so stupid they can’t do any research or back up anything they say.

  91. I don’t see where this misconception of ‘Apple has better hardware quality’ is coming from.

    People never seem to bring proof of this, and when they try to explain it they describe the ‘feel’, the ‘look’, and other emotionally inspired nonsense.

    Or when asked for proof they ignore the request or just stop commenting.

  92. Also PC may be made of plastic. But you act like its the same plastic that dollar store toys are made of.

    To be honest I don’t know why Laptops don’t have a Steel or Aluminum shell.

    It could be cost, heat issues. Rust is not a problem. Unless you plan on keeping your computer for more then 15 years and have it in a very humid climate.

    Also I believe Aluminum is more prone to corrosion then steel under humid and wet conditions. This is why Apple has a Plastic frame around their Aluminum chassis.

    Despite what you believe Rust can be stopped and repaired.

  93. “The aluminum-vs-steel, strength-vs-weight issue is one that is commonly misunderstood, especially among jib makers, sometimes even among engineers.

    The misconception arises from the partial truth that there are aluminum alloys that are as strong as, or stronger than, steel. It’s more accurate to say that there are some aluminum alloys that are stronger than some steel alloys.”

  94. I have a PC and its made of Steel and Aluminum, where did you get plastic from? Only plastic part it on the front and that’s replaceable.

  95. *** I meant to say some steel alloys are stronger than aluminium ones***

  96. d00d all metals are prone to oxidation and most pure metals oxidize at room temperature. aluminium’s “oxidation” protects itself from further oxidation damage, so the fact that it oxidizes is irrelevant to the fact that it doesn’t rust. rust is the perpetual oxidation seen in some iron based alloys and of course pure iron.

    as far as strength, weight to strength ratio aluminium is stronger than some steels, not all, and the same goes for the steels….some aluminium alloys are stronger. Planes can be made of just about any alloy, they choose aluminium because of it’s particular weight to strength ratio, not because it’s cheaper than steel. Also most PCs are made of plastic if you want to get into the cheap discussion, and I still think steel of any kind is a bad choice for a laptop shell…seriously

  97. My mistake I looked further into it. I was wrong, Aluminum is lighter then steel. But Steel is stronger then Aluminum. As for rust you act like its in immediate danger of rust. I have ancient towers. (I collect old comps. [Don’t know if I said that before.]) And only a couple of them have rust. (One from 92 another from 97.)

    Also planes aren’t solely made out of Aluminum.

    Planes are made from a combination of;
    1. Aluminum
    2. Aluminum-Copper Alloy
    3. Zinc
    4. Carbon Fiber
    5. Reinforced Plastic
    6. Fiber Glass
    7. Kevlar
    8. Titanium
    9. Stainless Steel
    10. Inconel

    The order has no meaning.

    Also, Aluminum does rust, its just not called rust. By definition rust can only happen to Iron and Steel but Aluminum has its own equivalent of rust.

    I believe its just called Aluminum Oxide.

  98. who the eff says aluminium is heavier than steel? You have never lifted or possibly even seen either of the metals if you think that. Why are planes made of aluminium? Because it is light and strong. Why go with aluminium? Because it is light and strong….it doesn’t rust… stainless steal requires more processing to achieve, can still rust depending on the quality and is freaking way heavier than aluminium!

  99. I think the OSx vs Vista thing was blown out of proportion. Vista was not the problem that Apple made it out to be. There were some hardware vendor related driver issues and the change in interface threw the average user for a loop. I remember Apple making fun of the UAC, when OSx had their own UAC running since the early versions. The difference was that Vista shipped with it being restrictive out of the box and made it very easy to change to suit any situation.

    My parents crapped when they first used Vista on their new machine, all it took was for me to put it in classic mode and they have been using it for years without a single complaint. It was also a resource hog, but then again, it shipped on computers with resources. No matter, Win 7 solved that problem in a big way. I installed it on a 2002 Dell C610 laptop with 512 ram and a 30g drive and a P3 processor, gave it to my mother in law and it has been flawless for 2 years now.

    OSx is fine, if that is what you want it will work great, but there is no way that anyone can argue it was better as a whole than Vista. That is the fruits of Apple’s marketing and a major change in UI to a public who doesn’t take to change very well. Remember when XP was released? There were folks that had issue with that and it turned out to be a pretty solid OS for a long time.

    Folks will pay more for a Mac because they actually believe the Apple hype. I use mine, but it surely doesn’t deserve some sort of praise for being “better”. There are those that think it actually makes them different and that different means they are elite. Those are the same people that think Jobs was a genius. That because they own a Mac, everything Steve Jobs said was true. That nifty packaging and gay commercials make a better computer. Bottom line is that it is still just a computer. When people are using a mouse, keyboard and monitor and paying alot more for the same hardware, they ate really paying a premium to use OSx. I did the math on hardware costs and what it would cost to build a Windows laptop with the exact same config as my Pro running Lion. If my math is correct, I paid nearly 800 dollars to have a copy of Lion.

    A lot of money for a closed system with no upgrade path.

  100. It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to pay $2000 for a 15″ Core i7 laptop with only 4 GB of RAM and 2 USB ports just because it’s aluminum and runs a customized version of Unix that has been rotting away for over a decade. The only thing Apple has done to OS X since it was first released is pack it full of useless features that few want and even fewer understand, like Versions and Launchpad. But what do you expect from a company that can’t even build a phone with a working antenna?

    Let me tell you, I may not be old, but I’ve been around long enough to have used every version of Windows and Mac OS since the early 90’s. I watched Apple as it grew, fell from glory, was bailed out, and made a comeback almost soley because of the iPod and iPhone. They fell behind in the desktop market back in the 90’s and, with the possible exception of OS X compared to Vista, they have never caught up since.

    Macs were a joke in the late 90’s and they’re a joke today. I assure you that Windows 7 beats Lion in almost every imaginable way. I use both regularly and there is simply no comparison — it makes Mac OS feel like a slow, outdated curiosity that’s trying to be more than the sum of its parts.

  101. I never have Mac but only thing I know it’s true is Mac doesn’t offer any flexibility to user!

  102. Well, you bought in 93 and hope you used it for several years (say 5), that puts you into the loser group. at 95-98, windows 95/98 users can work (cad,spreadsheet,publish,paint) and play directx/opengl games. mac at the era dont even use opengl. so all work, no play makes lars a dull loser. being a real minority at probably 1% stats, you are not only a loser but lonesome loser. hey, you ask which group knowing very well you paid expensive for a no-thrill computer.

  103. @LARS J. Have you looked around every time you step into a store? Everyone uses PCs for their business. Seeing a handful of companies use macs and reading your story … it doesn’t impress me at all. Even if you watch that show “How It’s Made” every company uses PC. Even a lot of the machines that make our every day items are using Windows to program them.

    @RAWR. I was on vacation visiting family for the last couple weeks.

  104. Only two types who buy Macs: Wannabe nerdy-types” and “Wannabe hipster-types” – is that right?

    So we bought our first Macs in 1993 for color scanning and digital imaging (there were no Windows PCs then that managed color). We went on to use our Macs to create over 28,000 published illustrations for various national publishers such as McGraw-Hill, Scholastic Books, and New Yorker.

    So which group do we fall into?

  105. @TECHNOJEDI

    Your comment needs to replace this article.

  106. As a long time user of every platform available, I can speak to some of this lifetime long argument. I currently own a late 2009 MacBook and a newer Pro running Snow Leopard and Lion. To add, I own one Linux device and 5 Windows 7 devices, 3 of which are x64 and the other two are x32 machines I upgraded to win7.

    I will leave my Linux thoughts out of this because it is more a utility to me than anything. I have seen the growth of both Apple and the PC based devices over the last 30 years, starting as a 14 year old with a father that was heavy into computing before having a computer at home was possible.

    The author has a lot of truth in his post, most of the things he mentioned have been a nuisance to myself and others at one time or another. I won’t get into every detail, but from a high level over the years I have come to know for a fact that the second Apple releases anything, it is far more expensive than comparable PC offerings. That is hard fact and cannot be argued. The thing is, Apple is at war with many makers, that use similar hardware, many times newer and more powerful. Those companies rely on Windows and once they have their OEM license, they brand it and add their own touches to it, which often turns out to be useless and even annoying. Sure, there might be a cool add in once in a while, but I am the guy that buys a PC, takes it out of the box and wipes the drive so I can load Windows on it clean, in it’s pure form.

    I do this because I have learned that in the past, running a make like Dell, HP or Sony will eventually fail in some way or under perform due to “bloat ware”. I can promise this, that any PC with a retail load of straight Windows will be every bit as stable if not more than any Mac which is packaged with the software that Apple designed to work with their hardware. MS is genius, Billy boy made his OS work on EVERYTHING, somehow while maintaining the mistakes by the idiot who uses it. No, you don’t typically need to ever mention the word “driver ” with a Mac, but then again, it was delivered as a packaged deal. Of course you don’t need anything like that, if MS built a computer of their own, it would be perfection, but that is not their business. So MS is relying on PC makers to build decent products so that the end user isn’t sitting there blasting Windows all day for something they didn’t even build. Throw in that guy who thinks he is a PC builder and MS is really sticking their neck out.

    But this is 2012, these days, a child can throw a Win7 disk in the drive and the chances are, that thing is going to work with minimal configuration. I built one machine, a nasty one to serve as the do all, video, music, mass storage, gaming, doc building device that be upgraded, restored and serve me for years. It was built with the cream of the cream hardware with money as no object and that system ran me a whopping 1100.00. Much less than my Pro and a little less than my MacBook with max memory and HD. I personally know OSx well enough that I can figure out a way to pretty much do everything on a Mac that my PCs do, but the problem is that I find myself having to figure out a way, rather than it just happening. It wasn’t always that way, but for a system that is supposed to be so robust, it is indeed the case.

    I think more people have problems with the smugness of the Mac “fanboy” more than they do the actual machine. Or the attack marketing, where Justin Long mentions a problem that is typically present in any computing platform like it doesn’t exist with a Mac. For all the folks here that argue the author isn’t truthful, there sure is a lot of BS coming from the Apple camp about the product MS offers. Many of the very things Apple uses as ammo are things they can’t avoid their own product from doing.

    Viruses? Malware? With 2 kids and a tech challenged wife, my home hasn’t seen a virus or anything malware like for years, not a single instance on any of the machines. They use them all, yet not a problem to be found. Fact is, aside from my 8 year old letting her Dell battery drain all the time and having it shut down, we haven’t had a single crash either. I cannot say the same for my MacBook, which once in a while presents me with ” you need to power off” and a frozen screen. That is rare, but it happens. Justin Long tells you it won’t though, then he tells you how the PC does while the Mac is so superior.

    To me, it is the image Apple tries to portray that annoys me more than anything. I truly enjoy using my computers, the Apple products I have owned the past 27 years have been great, but so have the PCs. These devices can do amazing things considering the cost. It is an awesome time to be able to see all of it grow. Every user is going to have a preference and no one wants to be told that they spent their hard earned money on an “inferior” product. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Function is found by needs and desire. These days, we are all getting the best of both. Maybe Apple will open up a little in the future, a lot of that was Steve Jobs and his very stubborn way of saying “I am going to give people what I want and people are going to like it” attitude. My favorite all around computer is my MacBook, running Win7 x64 under boot camp. Traveling with it solves a lot of problems, but that took creation from both ends of the spectrum and still doesn’t do everything.

    I leave this documentary with a tidbit from one of Apple’s heroes, Steve Wozniak. While at a computing convention primarily focused on robotics in California, I had the pleasure of listening in to an unplanned interview he had where a man asked him what he thought about Microsoft and Bill Gates. His reply was complimentary, but near the end, he said “I wish they built better computers”. The interviewer followed up with “but Steve, Microsoft doesn’t build computers.”

    His reply? “oh yeah, that’s right.”

    Typed from my iPhone….

  107. “Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.
    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.”

    “SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!”

    Perfect example of the majority of Mac users.

  108. Apple products are clearly premium products.
    They are designed and fabricated to an exceptional standard.

    Not everyone is destined to own the best on the market and that is why flee markets exist for the rest of the pc people.

  109. SCREW YOU!!!MACS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!

  110. You can’t fall for “delete System 32” on a Mac.
    But other than that… meh

  111. Unfortunately I didn’t start burning my time here until JJ left, or died, or whatever happened to him.

    I’m just wondering what happened to Steve. Also congrats(?) to WOW for staying here so long. People like Tucansam, and Redline would of caved by now and made an exit with some petty comment.

  112. In this comment I’ll give the three reasons I don’t use a Mac.

    It seems that pretty much everyone agreed in the earlier comments that Windows was the gaming OS. I think this still holds true today. I do love my games, so that’s been the main thing keeping me with Windows.

    I honestly don’t have a ton of experience on Macs. Most of what I know is through what I’ve read online. I did use a Macbook fairly recently and enjoyed the way the Spaces worked. I was first exposed to the Virtual Desktops feature when messing around with Ubuntu. I later tried out a few pieces of Windows freeware, but it wasn’t quite as good to me. I think the way the Spaces work on a Mac are probably better than what I saw on Ubuntu. However, the thing that really impressed me was the multi-touch gestures you could use to navigate the Spaces. I liked the idea of separating navigation from the keyboard. While keyboard shortcuts weren’t difficult to use to change desktops, I liked the 3-finger-flick much better.

    I say all this about Virtual Desktops because that’s another thing keeping me from leaving Windows right now. That might seem strange at first, but I’m waiting to see what Windows 8 has to offer. They seem to be going all out with touchscreen interfacing and related technologies. This makes me think that Windows should be getting on board with all the multi-touch gestures and related features. I really liked that 3-finger-flick virtual desktop setup on Macs, so Windows 8 better have something similar or better…

    So the first thing keeping me on Windows is gaming. Something Windows has that Mac doesn’t. The second thing is something Mac has and Windows doesn’t… but Windows may have in the not too distant future. The third thing keeping me with Windows is something I can’t stand about Macs, particularly Macbooks. There’s no right button! I’ve complained about this lack of a feature with Macs to a few people, and they start telling me of all these ways I can do a right click. There’s no way it’s as efficient using any of those methods as it is physically clicking the right button.

    I haven’t used anything but a laptop touchpad for a few years now. I mentioned that I like gaming. One particular game I like is World of Warcraft. Pretty much everyone knows what this game is or has heard about it. I played that game with a touchpad, and it would be near impossible to do the same thing with an Apple trackpad.

    1. Click the bottom right side of the trackpad – If you click right where right clicks start registering, you don’t always get a right click. To ensure a right click, you need to click a little further to the right. This means your finger has to travel further to do a right click. Also, the entire trackpad moves when you click, so that interferes a tad with the regular left clicking. This method just seems really clunky.

    2. Tap with two fingers – I’ve always hating anything that used tapping on a touchpad. The first thing I do when I use a new touchpad is turn off “tap to click”. I find you’re much more likely to have misclicks when tapping. It’s just too inconsistent compared to clicking an actual button.

    On top of the problems with tapping itself, there’s no way to drag with the right click tap. I was told I could drag a left click by double tapping with one finger. Something like that may exist for the right click dragging. Waiting for this double tap to register so I can drag the cursor is just absurd.

    3. Hold CTRL and click – Holding one button down while clicking another button can never be equal to or better than clicking a single button. Even though it’s not hard, you’re now using two hands to do something a single finger should be able to do.

    On top of the added complexity, this method screws you up when you need your left hand for clicking keys while you use the right clicks. When playing a game like World of Warcraft, you are constantly clicking many keys with the left hand. Often times, the keys you’re clicking are used in conjunction with the CTRL key itself. Now things get really complicated.

    I have yet to see what I think is a valid reason for the trackpad not having a right click button. Yes, when you’re not doing something as intensive as gaming, the trackpad right click options are feasible. However, I feel like I’m downgrading in technology by using the trackpad for my right clicks. I thought newer technology was supposed to bring greater efficiency and ease of use. Not having a right button seems backwards to me.

    When software stops requiring right clicks to do things, I’ll stop worrying about a right click. Until then, I can’t stand not having a specific button for right clicking.

  113. I read quite a few comments at first, but then I started noticing just how many there were on this page. Once I started scrolling down, I then realized again just how long ago this article and many comments were written. So after skimming for a bit, I just went straight to the bottom.

    Did JJ turn into Rawr? I noticed JJ stopped commenting and Rawr kind of picked up with his sarcastic comments.

    As I was reading through this article, I found myself chuckling out loud. I don’t think I have yet to read an article that was quite as cynical and sneering. I found the combination of the satire with the slight truths in the arrogant claims to be quite humorous. I think there was a poster near the beginning that said something about the satire (Raven something or another). I think a good number of people are taking this thing too seriously.

    There were four types of comments I saw over and over.
    1. People would try to argue every point made in the article with super detailed, lengthy explanations. Usually this was shrugged off by JJ with a short, sarcastic comment. Other times he’d take the time to respond with more detail, usually still involved sarcasm.

    2. People would insult the author’s behavior by acting in the same exact insulting fashion.

    3. People would put a combination of cussing, all caps, spamming, and whatever else to tell every putting up comment to stop arguing and to shut up. Usually these comments would say something about the author or everyone having no life. The only reason all these people exist is to argue over something stupid like computers.

    I think to myself, “This person is taking the time to argue with people that have no lives… over the issue of arguing about something pointless?”

    4. Finally there were the people with negative Mac experiences that would agree with the author. They usually received high fives from JJ.

    Those were my impressions of this article and the following comments. Now I’ll respond to a couple of the points made in the article.

    1. I thought this was pretty funny. I get this sort of impression of Mac users all the time. Keep in mind that most of my experience with Mac (and its users) comes from online. Typically I see these people through articles, blogs, forums, etc. Mac vs Windows arguments come up constantly in these venues. From my experiences, quite a hefty percentage of Mac users that take the time to put their opinions on the internet are:

    1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
    2) Wannabe hipster-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general

    2. I don’t think the brand name is worth quite as much as what Apple slaps on the price tags. Although, if one day I decide Windows isn’t doing it for me anymore, I don’t think the price will slow me down too much from purchasing a Mac.

    6. I’ve never really liked that dock thing. I think it’s a bit obnoxious.

    8. I’ve always been wary of the limitations I’d have being on a Mac exclusively. I’ll likely have a Windows machine if I ever do get a Mac, so it shouldn’t be too big a deal.

    10. I’m generally one to favor as much configuration as possible to get things how I like them. That’s actually something that’s drawn me toward some Linux distros, but they seem to take too much time to get simple things accomplished.

  114. while at bestbuy…

    overheard a salesman telling customer, if you are careful you dont need antivirus like on windows. mac dont get virus, they only get trojan. wtf. once there is a risk of compromizing a system via a trojan, you already need an antivirus. i mean is like you dont get a,b,c… (std) by sleeping with him, but you only get z by sleeping with him. why not use protection? but sadly, choice of protection is very little on mac since security powerhouses are focusing first defences on win platform dedicating secondary resources on mac like everything else in life – flash, java, games, drivers, browsers, printers all seems to run better on the primary platform windows. so please dont try to kid the rest of the world with your nonsense.

    tried the imac 27 inch. doesnt do it for me. first, global menu is a waste of mouse motion especially with a small apps like calculator.
    compounding to problem, mouse acceleration is slow compared to win/linux. please do not suggest 3rd party software to change acceleration. going that route, we might as well install a 3rd party software to remove global menu. ubuntu hack firefox to use global menu does not do it for me neither. i am using a 22″ monitor. so on larger screen, i reckon local menus are better for me.

    not to start a war, but i hate excessive mouse movements. at the end of TIRED day of working, i dont want to drag a file from one corner of large screen to a trash icon. i dont want to use keyboard shortcuts to cut and paste, etc. i want to LIBERATE my left hand for a cup of coffee and use right hand to right-mouse click to delete files. is that too hard for mac users to understand.

    everytime you tell a mac user you cant used feature x, they will tell you can use the other extra limb to do feature x by pressing button y+z. very typical of mac users.
    you tell them one thing, they will tell you another way which is more involving (extra limb and 2 finger gymnastic). eg. i hate min,max,close button on left. mac users will tell you – who uses it anymore? – cmd +x.
    or flash is a no-show on ipad, html5 is the future. but i live in present, half the websites videos dont work without flash. compounding the problem html5 video is divided to h264 for ie,safari, and theora,webm for the others. fragmentation is gonna hampered adoption.

    third scrolling a webpage using safari is sluggish compared to scrolling with firefox on linux and windows. i know it is not same browser. not my computer, cant install anything in bestbuy. but i thought safari is the premiere browser on mac.

    to recap, not impressed other than Aesthetics exterior and interior (icons are beautiful). to me pc all the way. ubuntu is gone for me too. global menu and top left buttons

  115. Again I ask, Why Aluminum? I can only think because its cheap.

    Aluminum is cheaper then Steel

    Aluminum is Weaker then Steel

    Aluminum is Heavier then Steel

    If Apple claims to only have the best of the best. Why go Aluminum? Rust proof? Steel can be rust proof too. Their main focus on the Mac Book Air is light and strong but they go with the weak and heavy material? Make sense to you?

    And why get Intel CPU’s but then AMD GPU’s. Its been proven that NVIDIA cards work better with Intel, rather then AMD. And AMD is cheaper then NVIDIA.

    So why does this company who boasts to have the best computers in the world, always pick the cheap option.

  116. From J_Sparrow:
    Hi,
    This may be a bit of a troll….
    Check this page out :- apple,com/why-mac/
    Apple outrageous statement 1:-
    “the Apple mac is designed to be a better computer”
    My question… A better computer then what? a circa 2005 PC?
    Apple outrageous statement 2:-
    “It comes with software you’ll love to use”
    My counter statement; well, my brother went to work abroad and he got a free apple mac from the place he works, he can not stand it and is going to spend £1000 on a normal PC rather then use the £1100 apple mac the gave him for free. He said the software is hopless for what he wants to do, and it freezes for upto 20minutes a time with no reason or error often.
    Apple outrageous statement 3:-
    “It comes with the worlds most advanced OS”
    Really? its that much better then windows 7? how, and who ‘measured’ this to work out it was ‘most advanced’??
    Apple outrageous statement 4:-
    “It runs office and works with your existing PC files”
    So hang on a minute? I’m confused, It uses traditional PC software right? Kind of like a PC does….
    Apple outrageous statement 5:-
    “Its compatible with stuff”
    “stuff”…. seriously, “stuff”?!?! You can can plug things in and they work, my PC can do that and 9 times out of 10 i dont have to use an install disc or anything, Windows 7 sorts everything out for me.. So again, it does what a PC has been doing for decades.
    Apple outrageous statement 6:-
    “It doesn’t get PC viruses”
    Well PC’s don’t get mac viruses but read this Quote from an artical in ‘the inquirer’
    “Tyler Reguly, a senior security research engineer with Ncircle told the newnewinternet that if you take a look at the two platforms, and the mindsets of the companies behind them, then the Windows PC wins hands down. He said that the Mac ships with more exploitable vulnerabilities already on a system when it is delivered. Further, Eric Johanson, a security researcher pointed out that the Mac OS X has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows.
    However Apple is also actually more insecure because of the attitude of its customers. A computer’s security, if it exists, is only as good as the user. Unfortunately in the case of the Mac the user is a smug, technologically illiterate person who believes they are invulnerable because they use a Mac. Such people randomly press buttons, visit sites that sensible people don’t and download things carelessly because Apple’s marketing tells them they are safe.”
    Apple outrageous statement 7:-
    “It’s loaded with the latest technology, {snip}… powerful graphics bring the latest 3D games to life..”
    this is a lie, kind of proves how dumb apple mac customers are if they buy one to play games with.
    Best Apple Statement:-
    “It runs Windows and Windows applications”
    Oh, hang on, why would anyone want to run windows on it if it comes with the most advanced operating system already installed….. BUT if you did put windows on then you would have a PC, only more g4y looking. And not as fast or upgradable etc…

  117. From J_Sparrow:

    Hi,

    This may be a bit of a troll….

    Check this page out :- http://www.apple.com/why-mac/

    Apple outrageous statement 1:-

    “the Apple mac is designed to be a better computer”

    My question… A better computer then what? a circa 2005 PC?

    Apple outrageous statement 2:-

    “It comes with software you’ll love to use”

    My counter statement; well, my brother went to work abroad and he got a free apple mac from the place he works, he can not stand it and is going to spend £1000 on a normal PC rather then use the £1100 apple mac the gave him for free. He said the software is hopless for what he wants to do, and it freezes for upto 20minutes a time with no reason or error often.

    Apple outrageous statement 3:-

    “It comes with the worlds most advanced OS”

    Really? its that much better then windows 7? how, and who ‘measured’ this to work out it was ‘most advanced’??

    Apple outrageous statement 4:-

    “It runs office and works with your existing PC files”

    So hang on a minute? I’m confused, It uses traditional PC software right? Kind of like a PC does….

    Apple outrageous statement 5:-

    “Its compatible with stuff”

    “stuff”…. seriously, “stuff”?!?! You can can plug things in and they work, my PC can do that and 9 times out of 10 i dont have to use an install disc or anything, Windows 7 sorts everything out for me.. So again, it does what a PC has been doing for decades.

    Apple outrageous statement 6:-

    “It doesn’t get PC viruses”

    Well PC’s don’t get mac viruses but read this Quote from an artical in ‘the inquirer’
    “Tyler Reguly, a senior security research engineer with Ncircle told the newnewinternet that if you take a look at the two platforms, and the mindsets of the companies behind them, then the Windows PC wins hands down. He said that the Mac ships with more exploitable vulnerabilities already on a system when it is delivered. Further, Eric Johanson, a security researcher pointed out that the Mac OS X has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows.
    However Apple is also actually more insecure because of the attitude of its customers. A computer’s security, if it exists, is only as good as the user. Unfortunately in the case of the Mac the user is a smug, technologically illiterate person who believes they are invulnerable because they use a Mac. Such people randomly press buttons, visit sites that sensible people don’t and download things carelessly because Apple’s marketing tells them they are safe.”

    (full artical here http://www.theinquirer.net/inquire […] re-windows )

    Apple outrageous statement 7:-

    “It’s loaded with the latest technology, {snip}… powerful graphics bring the latest 3D games to life..”

    this is a lie, kind of proves how dumb apple mac customers are if they buy one to play games with.

    Best Apple Statement:-

    “It runs Windows and Windows applications”

    Oh, hang on, why would anyone want to run windows on it if it comes with the most advanced operating system already installed….. BUT if you did put windows on then you would have a PC, only more g4y looking. And not as fast or upgradable etc…

  118. “Absolutely, I have yet to contradict myself. Nice spot btw. Im sure Rawr already figured this out.”

    Yup. I admit I’ve done the same thing too.

    “No, I can minimize, ghost it, quit it, hide it or whatever I want. If I want to keep the program open but I don’t have anything to do at the immediate moment then I can- such as Mail, Word/Pages etc. Ghosting is useful at times and I can quit the process just as quickly.”

    Windows progs don’t always give you the option to ghost but most of the time it isn’t a option not to ghost on Mac’s. I admit Ghosting can be useful, but it is very bad for people who think all of their Mac programs just close when they press the red dot. At least I know for a fact when I hit the X the prog closes, and if it doesn’t, it will go in the tray, and let me know that it has gone to the tray.

    But I don’t need a third party program to close anything in windows. Apple is supposed to make things easy right? Well they try, but when they take away your choice they just make the easy things annoying.

    “No, I’m sure it does.”
    “No, no it doesn’t”
    It does. Period. Depending on the program it may sometimes leave the start menu folder there, but thats just a empty folder. But it always deletes whats in the install location, unless you had the program running while uninstalling it.
    I will also have you note that the installs and uninstalls are most often 3rd party made. If the install/uninstaller does something unwanted that is not Windows fault.

    I will bring up OCing again. Over Clocking (OC) is mostly associated with gamers. But OCing your CPU can be very useful for programs that are very taxing on the CPU. Such as: Multitasking, Video Editing software, Graphics design, and more.

    And people like TREVOR and Apple claim it is best for these operations, Yet no Apple computer can OC. I did research and not even a 3rd party programs can break the OC lock on Mac’s. OC is another Useful, High Tech, Innovative, and Convent technology Apple isn’t capable of using.

  119. DEMONSTHENES = WOW
    Get a life bro. And dun try to deny it ur writing style and grammar are the same. u just gave yourself a different attitude so u cn contradict yourself
    -Absolutely, I have yet to contradict myself. Nice spot btw. Im sure Rawr already figured this out.
    -secondly, you had time to analyze my writing style AND you had to have read a good chunk of previous posts. So who is the one with the life now? Yeah, go back to your blow-up doll.

    “No, Windows doesn’t remove ALL of the software when you uninstall a program”
    No, I’m sure it does.
    – No, no it doesn’t
    “and why would I want a program to automatically quit after I closed the window? If I want to quit a program I will do just that, if I want it to ghost so that the next time I need it, it will be faster then I won’t quit it.”
    Because normally when people close a program they don’t want to use it anymore. If I want to quit a prog I just hit the X. No tedious work around. You say its convenient for you I say Apple is lazy or not smart enough to figure out how end a process. Also Windows can boor recent programs faster, without ghosting them. Some programs, Steam, uTorrent, ECT. Minimize to tray. Also if you still have use for a program, there is the minimize button, thats what its their for. All your saying is that Apple has effectively made the minimize function useless.
    -No, I can minimize, ghost it, quit it, hide it or whatever I want. If I want to keep the program open but I don’t have anything to do at the immediate moment then I can- such as Mail, Word/Pages etc. Ghosting is useful at times and I can quit the process just as quickly.

    “Oh, and I have had PC people walk up to me and berate me for buying “an overpriced toy” so PC fanboys DO exist. I personally have never berated someone for buying a PC, if you don’t want a Mac that’s fine it’s your money and your choice.”
    1. Then that person was just an *ss.
    2. Thats how most Mac users are.
    3. Then why are you hear if you don’t care?

    -1. yep
    2.Coming from a PC user?
    3. Im bored/ Im here to say that Macs don’t suck. Why are you here? PCs don’t suck, macs don’t suck, is that honestly hard to process?

  120. Lets have a quiet moment while we chuckle at this forum,

    Yea, so all macs have a right click (duh) go to preferences, set secondary button on mouse. bingo. Right click.

    Mac are not over priced, they are built specifically for people who know how to use a computer, they are built for people who can actually enjoy a personilzed computer built on the basis free of virus and crap, big whoop if it sometimes freezes, dont even get me started on a pc, most of the time they take 10min to warm up.

    Mac is designed for video editing, music recording, software design, and graphic design. Whats so hard to understand about that? PC computers were built specifically to anger you. Ever gotten mad at your pc? I have. Ever gotten mad at your mac? no,, probably because you have never owned one, cause you a cheap dell follower.

  121. “Life without walls!” only to those who truly deserve it. (Fuck Mac Os x, which is stolen from BSD and then from Linux community all of the time!)

  122. Some of the most respected humans I know, and they daily save many lives at hospitals, are using windows, and the only time they use iPhones is when they need to show it to others that they actually have it. Actually, they use windows because of hotspot shield (and freely cracked ms office), that is commonly used to watch porn, it is simply available to them, not to mention so many hardware tools one could attach to any windows based pc. I used Mac for about one year, but only to learn how to fix it’s limitations; thank god there are plenty so I can earn even more. Fuck Mac and everyone who works at Apple, and uses it. Fuck them harder so they can be gone along with their Macs. (no regrets!)

  123. Macs are being designed for humans with lesser IQ, to make them feel better about themselves, please get over this and observe your surroundings. Everything in every iOS thing is limiting and annoying to the utmost degree. There were some who said if one did not have enough money to buy a Mac that you could love have answered it all, you are the source of all problems in this world, not just computing ones, you are bed bugs of the financial systems in this world. May Job’s soul rest in peace, but overall thing that Apple delivered to humans is a curse, bad one.I often have enough money to buy the most expensive Mac whatever, but will never do, why? because I fix them for so many Ladies & Gentlemen, who, most of the time can not use simple right click actions. I have read all comments, the JJ one has been most profound one, in fact though, he/she only confirmed what I already knew about this shitty enterprise. When it comes to Macs, it is not only a matter of preference, it is the very matter of the level of that particular intelligence, and forgive me, but Mac owners simply are morons: confirmed many multiple times. If ever, I can prove it socially, kinesthetically,aesthetically, mathematically, statistically, verbally and even by using 6th sense, you, the Mac owners are going to be the shameful past of this surviving part of humanity. Let us see.

  124. Appzapper does not delete everything. I have used appzapper before and it does left some stuff out. How do I know? I also used a different appcleaner and it shows some files that appzapper could not deleted. Why can’t apple gives the user the ability to delete apps beside relying on other third party?

  125. “Oh, and I have had PC people walk up to me and berate me for buying “an overpriced toy” so PC fanboys DO exist. I personally have never berated someone for buying a PC, if you don’t want a Mac that’s fine it’s your money and your choice.”

    1. Then that person was just an ass.
    2. Thats how most Mac users are.
    3. Then why are you hear if you don’t care?

  126. “It’s because you can’t opt to not have the software.”

    You must not have read my last post.

    “No, Windows doesn’t remove ALL of the software when you uninstall a program”

    No, I’m sure it does.

    “and why would I want a program to automatically quit after I closed the window? If I want to quit a program I will do just that, if I want it to ghost so that the next time I need it, it will be faster then I won’t quit it.”

    Because normally when people close a program they don’t want to use it anymore. If I want to quit a prog I just hit the X. No tedious work around. You say its convenient for you I say Apple is lazy or not smart enough to figure out how end a process. Also Windows can boor recent programs faster, without ghosting them. Some programs, Steam, uTorrent, ECT. Minimize to tray. Also if you still have use for a program, there is the minimize button, thats what its their for. All your saying is that Apple has effectively made the minimize function useless.

  127. DEMONSTHENES = WOW

    Get a life bro. And dun try to deny it ur writing style and grammar are the same. u just gave yourself a different attitude so u cn contradict yourself

  128. Oh, and I have had PC people walk up to me and berate me for buying “an overpriced toy” so PC fanboys DO exist. I personally have never berated someone for buying a PC, if you don’t want a Mac that’s fine it’s your money and your choice.

  129. “Uh, you do, in the cost of the laptop”
    Really who toled you that? When I look at the details of any PC they tell me what software it comes with that they are making you pay for, and even give you the option to remove the software.
    Apple has no such list, so they are ether forcing you to pay for stuff you may not need, or it is free. Until you bring me proof, Ill *ssume its free.
    -It’s because you can’t opt to not have the software.
    ” Lol, maybe in software numbers but seriously the quality is lacking. Things like AppZapper that are easy enough for a child to use are missing from Windows (note: quality not function). And yes, previous users have tried to argue this before and it was pointless. Look, if I can drag a program from my applications folder into the AppZapper and it finds all related programs so they can be deleted- that’s pretty easy. This is what I mean.”
    Your opinion is not a fact Windows has great software. So YES in my OPINION (and many other people) Windows has wonderful software.
    AppZapper for windows IS pointless. Because when we close a program it actually stops processing, it doesn’t ghost. And when you uninstall a prog on Windows it deletes the program and all the sub programs it came with if you chose to remove them.
    -No, Windows doesn’t remove ALL of the software when you uninstall a program. I have had vestigial files from things like themes, bulkr, file grinder and capacity even after I ‘uninstalled them.’ and why would I want a program to automatically quit after I closed the window? If I want to quit a program I will do just that, if I want it to ghost so that the next time I need it, it will be faster then I won’t quit it. Ghosting is useful. And both take the same amount of effort to do, either cmd Q to quit or cmd W to close just the window.

  130. “Uh, you do, in the cost of the laptop”

    Really who toled you that? When I look at the details of any PC they tell me what software it comes with that they are making you pay for, and even give you the option to remove the software.

    Apple has no such list, so they are ether forcing you to pay for stuff you may not need, or it is free. Until you bring me proof, Ill assume its free.

    ” Lol, maybe in software numbers but seriously the quality is lacking. Things like AppZapper that are easy enough for a child to use are missing from Windows (note: quality not function). And yes, previous users have tried to argue this before and it was pointless. Look, if I can drag a program from my applications folder into the AppZapper and it finds all related programs so they can be deleted- that’s pretty easy. This is what I mean.”

    Your opinion is not a fact Windows has great software. So YES in my OPINION (and many other people) Windows has wonderful software.

    AppZapper for windows IS pointless. Because when we close a program it actually stops processing, it doesn’t ghost. And when you uninstall a prog on Windows it deletes the program and all the sub programs it came with if you chose to remove them.

  131. “Now give me a PC with said trackpad, magsafe, and a screen with the same color gamut.”
    I don’t know what year you are from, but from my experience a PC and a Mac have the same trackpad.
    – Really? PC trackpads are almost always smaller, they aren’t glass covered (this makes it smoother and more durable) and they almost always have less fibres.
    As for magsafe Apple has a monopoly on that, so unless PC user’s start requiting it or other manufactures find a way around the patent only Mac’s and japanese kitchen appliances will have it.
    My laptop (8 years old) has a slot loading drive. I don’t use DVD’s much so I’m not to sure about newer models.
    “By bundling the software it offsets Apple’s per-unit cost.”
    “I never said “This is a fact” hardware isn’t everything”
    1. The software is free you don’t pay for it.
    -Uh, you do, in the cost of the laptop
    2. If its not a fact then there was no point in saying it.
    – “That is called an opinion not a fact.” you brought it up.
    3. PC has Mac’s beat in hardware and software so I don’t know where you are going with this.
    – Lol, maybe in software numbers but seriously the quality is lacking. Things like AppZapper that are easy enough for a child to use are missing from Windows (note: quality not function). And yes, previous users have tried to argue this before and it was pointless. Look, if I can drag a program from my applications folder into the AppZapper and it finds all related programs so they can be deleted- that’s pretty easy. This is what I mean.

  132. “I despise Apple for the fan base they created, and how they exploit their consumers

    MS may have fan boys, but they do not have a religion.

    who feel the need to brag about your product.”

    agreed

  133. I’m sure everyone has heard this from someone some ware before but I’ll say it anyway. I have NEVER met a person who brings up their PC in a conversation unless seeking technol support. I have NEVER met a person who brags about how amazing their PC is, unless they just built a new RIG.

    I HAVE met people who started a conversation with a Apple product. I HAVE had someone come up to me while I’m on my laptop, and start preaching to me about Mac’s. I HAVE had people who do nothing but browse the web brag to me about their Mac.

    You say you love your Mac, because of your personal experience. Then you understand why I hate you, and the people like you, who feel the need to brag about your product.

  134. I goggled “windows 7 sata install problem” and the problems where ether BIOS related or faulty hardware.

    “I try not to flame in any direction too much”

    I have no major attachments to Windows, or for MS for that matter.
    I stand neutral when it comes to Linux and Linux based OS’s.
    I despise Apple for the fan base they created, and how they exploit their consumers. Apple doesn’t even have to make excuses for themselves, their loyal fans will do it for them, and brush away any wrong doing Apple commits.

    Like this guys statement “oh, regarding the suicides- Windowsfanboys brought that one up, Im saying that child labor is used by all electronics manufacturers somewhere along the line. So it’s contradictory to bring it up.” Oh so everyone is doing so that makes it OK? And what is this based off? You thought of it so that makes it true? Not everyone outsources from china buddy.

    I hate the iSheep who have the whole “For the greater good” mentality, or “Turn the other cheek”.

    MS may have fan boys, but they do not have a religion.

  135. That may be a BIOS problem as well as a firmware problem. My SSD gave me problems when I ran it in AHCI mode until I updated its firmware.

    Oh yes right, firmware is on the device itself. And you do need drivers for the controllers. I don’t know what I was thinking. :

    But I don’t think that is a OS issue at all. Firmware, BIOS updates, and drivers are a factor in things like that.

    I know when some motherboards came out claiming they could run FX CPU’s but they needed a update first.

  136. Please, Please, try not to get all ‘Windows righteous’ on me either. I like Windows, I use Windows 7 with my SATA drive every day (albiet configured in the BIOS as native IDE), and most importantly, billions of man-hours and revenue later M$ has put out a great product for home and power use ;). I thinks Macs coming along; they put out a good product but it is overpriced and kind of gimmicky, and Linux is a great learning tool. I try not to flame in any direction too much….

  137. @RAWR!
    I will admit I was half asleep though….lol

  138. @RAWRI
    Just google: windows 7 sata install problem
    there is already a small library’s worth of forum banter about this issue

    There are many many people who have this same issue, it may be a BIOS/Windows 7 issue however I only have this issue with windows7/vista….if my bios is configured to interface my HDD’s as any type of SATA (RAID or AHCI) it fails to detect at install and give the BSOD if I try to reconfigure after installing. If I configure the BIOS to run SATA as Native IDE all is good.

    As fas as the USB comment…this issue with the SATA driver, whatever it is, is annoying. A lot of windows fan boys will point to the manufactorer whenever there is a driver issue, to prempt that arguement I am saying imagine if windows took that stance with generiv USB drivers (they don’t because that would be absurd), how much of a pain that would be…….so there is no reason not to integrate something that is becoming a standard for HDD’s (aka SATA) to be recognized by the OS and not require a third party driver on install (ref the google search).

    The floppy comment comes from the error message that is displayed when I tried to install on SATA from a clean install.

    Also, I am not bashing on Windows, but way to pic out the only negative comment to talk s**t

    Firmware has nothing to do with Windows, It is drive/manufactorer specfic, the driver is what tells windows how to interact with the frimware/hardware….not sure what you are tryin to say

  139. “Now give me a PC with said trackpad, magsafe, and a screen with the same color gamut.”

    I don’t know what year you are from, but from my experience a PC and a Mac have the same trackpad.

    As for magsafe Apple has a monopoly on that, so unless PC user’s start requiting it or other manufactures find a way around the patent only Mac’s and japanese kitchen appliances will have it.

    My laptop (8 years old) has a slot loading drive. I don’t use DVD’s much so I’m not to sure about newer models.

    “By bundling the software it offsets Apple’s per-unit cost.”
    “I never said “This is a fact” hardware isn’t everything”

    1. The software is free you don’t pay for it.
    2. If its not a fact then there was no point in saying it.
    3. PC has Mac’s beat in hardware and software so I don’t know where you are going with this.

  140. I have a hunch that none of you have been laid. I was looking for something and found my way here… Silly me I started reading this crap… Why not just shoot your selves now and get it over with. Half of you are only using your computers to beat off… Get out of your mothers basement and get some air. Losers!

  141. oh, regarding the suicides- Windowsfanboys brought that one up, Im saying that child labor is used by all electronics manufacturers somewhere along the line. So it’s contradictory to bring it up.

  142. By bundling the software it offsets Apple’s per-unit cost.
    I never said “This is a fact” hardware isn’t everything. I said “what if I want this” and you said “thats an opinion” well duh. Now give me a PC with said trackpad, magsafe, and a screen with the same color gamut. Oh, and I want a slot-loading dvd drive, backlit isolated keyboard and unibody construction. This is what I want, show me a PC with these things and a great audiovisual suite like iLife for less money and I will go PC. You can say “thats opinion” well it’s my money, I love design and that’s what I want to buy with my money. I spend most of my time web browsing, which means I use my trackpad continuously. Why PC’s have crap trackpads eludes me. The trackpad is perhaps the most important part to me. You say “pcs are better because you can use whatever parts you want” fine, thats true. Now give me a PC with the aforementioned (or equivalent) parts. (not give, but show is what I mean)

  143. “I did have a huge issues with windows 7 and SATA drivers…come on, 2010 and you can’t integrate SATA into an install without some non-intuitive driver install floppy/usb. ”

    Uhhh, OK. There are no drivers for SATA devices. SATA, IDE, USB, PCIe, ect. firmware is already installed when you install a Windows OS.

    Also I don’t think I’ve seen a PC that used a floppy disk in a while.

    “Even Linux managed to get the SATA support right. Can you imagine if all your usb interfaces required this?”

    And then what??? I thought you where talking about SATA not USB?

    I’m not sure what your whole comment is saying. I get the feeling someone who was half asleep wrote it.

  144. Nice piece… windows 7 has come so far, albeit a bit late since the PC is kind of heading out the window so to speak.

    It should be worth noting it did take M$ like 28 years and Billions upon Billions of dollars to put out a robust and mature operating system…..(no comment)
    All this stuff in here about Macs couldn’t be more true. Mac puts out an ok product, but their biggest flaws come from who they are trying to appeal to. I can buy (nay, build) a new PC for $700 that can due just about anything including gaming with outstanding graphics, and dual boot to Linux just for fun. Not only that I get to chose everything about the computer, and have had it for 3 years not having to replace any part yet.

    I did have a huge issues with windows 7 and SATA drivers…come on, 2010 and you can’t integrate SATA into an install without some non-intuitive driver install floppy/usb. Even Linux managed to get the SATA support right. Can you imagine if all your usb interfaces required this? Nightmare….
    In the end, Macs are way too expensive and fueled only by the ego Jobs’ gained when he created his legions of iPhone drones, Jobs has managed to make Bill Gates look like a saint and not a money grubber. PC finnnalllly got it right, and thanks for that, seriously tired of shelling out hundreds for more and more crap software

  145. Steam has 311 games for Mac Total Including DLC. And 1552 games for PC Without DLC.

    Steam has 4493 items in their whole PC library.

    This is JUST Steam tho, not all games PC are on steam.

    Any argument about how Mac’s are better for gaming is just BS.

    Remember this you iTards, even with a Mac you still need a PC.
    While PC needs no catalyst to do what you want it to do.

    i = idiot

    idiotPad $250 + Dignity + Apple logo + child labor + loyalty + tax = $700
    idiotPhone $100 + loyalty + Apple logo + markup for fun + tax = $400
    idiotPod $80 + loyalty + Apple logo + gloss + allegiance + tax = $400
    Mac Pro $200 + HDD monitoring device + loyalty + Apple logo + bland case + Why are they buying this? + $4000 for the lulz + tax = $5000
    idiotMac $600 + HDD monitoring device + loyalty + Apple logo + marked up laptop parts + other hardware that works at half its full capacity + tax = $2000

    Mac Pro ‘idiot’ $400 + Lies + loyalty + fancy background + Apple logo + HDD monitoring device + ports that only 10% of manufactures use = $2500

  146. Just face it, PCs are better.

  147. @IN YOUR 64206!

    No. Personally I prefer AMD, And As I work in bestbuy I got the chance to test both Radeon HD 7950 and the GTX 680. Other then the slight difference in FPS (In the 680’s favor.) Both cards are the same and both go for $500. So it doesn’t really matter which one anyone gets.

    But I would wait till the price drops on both cards, every new tech starts out pricey but soon enough it will go down.

    Currently I have a Radeon HD 6870, it does what I need it to do (Run my games at 50 Fps +) and I haven’t Even OC’d it yet. Also the only real reason to get the new line of cards, would be for more Vram. The clock speeds on the 2 cards aren’t a huge difference.

  148. “I have an 11 in. mac book pro and with all the perks, including microsoft office, mac support, etc; it came out to about $2100.”

    Well you sir got ripped off for three reasons.

    1. There is no 11 Inch MBP.
    2. The cheapest MBP is a 13 inch and it cost $1,200.
    3. You bought something from Apple.

    “but if what you pay for is what you get.”
    OK then, if that’s what you think Windows is better then OS X, solely because it is more expensive.

    “Laptops like PC’s crash a hell of a lot more than the new updated macs”

    Says who? My sister has a net book and it has not once crashed. She has owned it for 3 years now.

    “don’t even get me started. The graphics on a mac are 100 times better than graphics on a pc. Plus, games run better on a mac too! Try running a game of mine craft on a pc next to a mac!”

    LMAO. What have you been smoking? ALL games are made on PC even console games. Most Mac games are made on Linux based PC’s as well.
    How do they run better? Mac cant even run most of them. Here you are talking about better Graphics and GPU performance, and you use MineCraft as an example… MC uses at least 80% of the CPU for everything. You can run it off a crummy on-board GPU as long as you have at least a duo core CPU.

  149. @RAWR
    Are you going to get the gtx 680? jw…

  150. @Another Mac User

    Please do your research before you comment about graphics on PC. What you stated are just your opinion. I can run minecraft perfectly fine on my laptop(pc). you got an 11 inch macbook pro and you call the top of the line laptop? If you really want a top of the line laptop that would be the 17 inch macbook pro. By they way, Does apple even make an 11 inch macbook pro?

  151. your article on why macs suck is completely opinion. I got my mac in october of 2011 and its the best laptop I’ve ever had. I have an 11 in. mac book pro and with all the perks, including microsoft office, mac support, etc; it came out to about $2100. Yes the 17 in. does cost 2500 alone, but if what you pay for is what you get. Laptops like PC’s crash a hell of a lot more than the new updated macs, and talking about graphics? don’t even get me started. The graphics on a mac are 100 times better than graphics on a pc. Plus, games run better on a mac too! Try running a game of mine craft on a pc next to a mac! Also, its not just hipsters and wannabees who get macs. Its people like me who just like to have a top of the line laptop. Saving up money for the best thing on the market is worth it!

  152. @LAzyworker

    Had a PC since 2007. Works fine, cost £300

    My Mac cost well over £1000, died within the first 2 years.

  153. EVGA GTX 680 just came out today. Guess what? PC only. Mac users will have to wait till the GTX 680 becomes a mid-end card before they will ever see it. Not like they CAN use it anyway.

  154. “Now, what if I like the unibody, the vibrant screen, the multitouch trackpad, the magsafe power adapter, OS X and I don’t mind the price tag because it’s what I want to use? How does that mean Macs are worse?”

    That is called an opinion not a fact.

    “What if I just want a computer that has been put together and the OS is programmed for the specific hardware (thus no drivers)? ”
    OS X has drivers too. If it didn’t there would be no way for the OS to communicate to the hardware. I can download Mac drivers just like I could for any other OS. Again, Apple does not have some secret technology for building comps. They use the cheapest methods to build the internal parts, then cover it in fancy glitter, and then mark it up for the look and unnecessary features.

    “oh, Rawr,. you’ve never been in the military if you think their gear is all “the best quality” <- that's paraphrasing, not a quote, but it's what you seem to imply."

    This is what I said: "Some of my parts are made to meet military standards. So you are gonna say Apple has better and more sturdy equipment then the military?"

    When did I say they will out perform anything? I was saying they are more durable and are made to take a hit better then other comps. If you mean when I said 'better'. Well, better is a vague term, its best not to make assumptions on it.

    "Not only is the suicide level well below national average, there are also counselors and other aids."

    Again, just because there is something worse, that doesn't make the lesser evil good. Therefor it is pointless to point out that something is worse, or you will be condoning the lesser evil at the same time.

    "Also Macs always come with the software to offset the development costs for the software."

    So free software pays for development of said software? How does that work?

  155. “I guaran-ball-tee that if you made a list of how many times you’d have to pay for repairs on a PC and for upgrades and what not it would cost MORE then the entire Mac would!”

    I spent $0 for repairs on my computer.

    “Macs have always had an option click. <- so that was never "once true""

    No there was a time when they didn't.

    "Anyway. like Wow said, parts; even if made from the same factory, will have different levels of quality control. A Gibson Xplorer and a Gibson Les Paul custom both made in Memphis will have different guidelines for quality, even if made by the same people."

    Notice how your examples are different products. So again PROVE that Apple has better hardware or shut up. I just finished building my $1000 comp, it has better specs then ANY Mac and it will last longer. By old computer is 6 years old and cost about $300, and it still runs like new.

  156. okay okay, you put a couple things down for the problems with mac. Now explain to me all the problems with a PC. Really. PC’s have HUNDREDS of more problems. The reason Apple can put there price so high is because it rarely breaks down. I guaran-ball-tee that if you made a list of how many times you’d have to pay for repairs on a PC and for upgrades and what not it would cost MORE then the entire Mac would!

  157. Macs have always had an option click. <- so that was never "once true"

    Anyway. like Wow said, parts; even if made from the same factory, will have different levels of quality control. A Gibson Xplorer and a Gibson Les Paul custom both made in Memphis will have different guidelines for quality, even if made by the same people. As Wow said, Lexus and Toyotas <- different levels of quality, same factories (not the camry though, those are made in 'Merika)
    Now, what if I like the unibody, the vibrant screen, the multitouch trackpad, the magsafe power adapter, OS X and I don't mind the price tag because it's what I want to use? How does that mean Macs are worse? Hmm? What if I just want a computer that has been put together and the OS is programmed for the specific hardware (thus no drivers)? What if I don't want the registry and those DLLs? But I also don't want to use Linux because I love the Mac program suite. Also Macs always come with the software to offset the development costs for the software. Don't even bother with the whole Foxconn suicide deal, you people obviously didn't do your research. Not only is the suicide level well below national average, there are also counselors and other aids. Im not advocating child labor, you people seem to think this is just Apple.

    oh, Rawr,. you've never been in the military if you think their gear is all "the best quality" <- that's paraphrasing, not a quote, but it's what you seem to imply.

  158. This article was gut busting!!! I laughed for at least ten minutes. Okay, that aside. I am coming from a pc prospective to be fare to the MAC users. Mac is extremely over priced and is not very customizable. I own an IT business where I work in both pc and Mac environments. FireWire is used mainly in Mac environments only, I have never had a pc client use it to this date. That is not to say it’s not being used by a pc environment out there. In my 10 years of IT work I have never seen it used except for in a Mac shop.
    I wish you could customize a Mac to be more affordable for the end user, it would be to Mac advantage to do so. Most of your software is not geared towards Mac in the business environment is another tough hurdle for Mac is going to have to deal with. The only business models that really use Mac is telemedia, photography, and the news industry. These are the only environments where is have found Mac as there core IT infrastructure. If there are others I don’t know so please forgive my ignorance. I have found Mac a little difficult personally, but I have not devoted time to fully integrate myself into it, but I am going to do so for my business sake. Each pc and Mac have strong qualities and gross weakness, but don’t we all.

  159. Ok so I am thinking about removing my site from Tumbler and get it to a WordPress website. I believe this is a wordpress website right? If it is, may I ask where you got the theme? Thanks a bunch!

  160. @Someone – funny you happen to fall into the same trap some of those replying to Mac users used, and making gross assumptions without logic or fact.

  161. I use my mac for audio-ing

    I use my Pc a lot for gaming.

    Internet browse + emailing + itunes

    = Get a netbook or a notebook is way easier than spending all that money on a mac.
    (could save up the money wisely for something else).

    Oh and btw i saw someone who just get a new mac book pro a 17 inch.

    i was like really? could have save up the money for something else. you alrdy got a mac why bother spend that money buying another one? I don’t get it.

  162. So…….. poor people dislike Mac. I have both. Use both for different things. Provide facts rather than opinions and maybe, just maybe, your argument will appear intellectual.

  163. How can some of you call yourself intelligent, and actually regard your posts as intelligent?

    I don’t mean the people who have been making their cases for/against by comparing hardware, and using facts, but people who do such stupid guff as the following should reconsider themselves before actually believing they’re making intelligent points:

    – Making generalizations [“Mac users are either X or Y” [vice versa in terms of similar arguments being aimed at PC users] that have no basis in logic or reality.
    – Making unfounded claims.
    – Just making statements without ANY proof, as if they were factual.
    – Failing to understand the fundamental difference between a fact and an opinion.

  164. Mac users are fags… and hip! ;)

  165. IAMTEHGAYLORD.
    MAC GAY.

  166. “Second, you should verify your facts before you post nonsense. I’m sure that a lot of people have touched on this so I won’t go into detail about what you got wrong.”

    Everything in the article is true or was once true. You should do the same as you just suggested.

    “I choose Mac, because I like how the hardware and software is integrated”

    That is a ignorant statement, in what way are they more ‘integrated’ then any other computer? How can you be so sure? Did you use knowledge and reason to come to this conclusion? Or did you use one of Apples slogans and assume it was true? Just because they pull all their hardware from one factory doesn’t mean it’s ‘screwed together well’. If that’s the case then Most Dell computers are of the same quality as Mac’s and vice versa. All hardware connects the same way, No matter the manufacture. Example; A nvidia card goes in a PCIe slot. A AMD card goes in a PCIe slot. Even Laptops use PCI/PCIe interface. Apple does not have some coveted technology to snap their hardware together. Its the same as everything else.

    ” I appreciate how good my Macbook Pro looks on my desk as compared to my friends’ oversized and clunky looking HP computers.”

    What year are you from? newegg,com/Product/Product,aspx?Item=N82E16834158205 In what way is that clunky?

    “Stop bashing Mac’s based on everyone else’s arguments and develop your own if you expect anyone to take you seriously.”

    The article is title ‘Top Ten Reasons Why Mac Sucks’ So of course he is going to be using other peoples arguments. He was pointing out the most agreed upon faults Macs had at the time of posting.

    “I like that I can just use my computer. I don’t have to upgrade anything in it to get 5-7 years of use out of it.”

    Who told you you had to upgrade anything on your PC to get longer use out of it? As for software it updates on its own when its necessary (Like antivirus software adding more protection.) Some people act like company’s created updates just to annoy the consumer, its fr your own good stop bitching. Anyway, As for hardware only games really need to worry about upgrading so they can play the newest graphically taxing games. A gaming computer last about 5-7 years before another upgrade is required. I’m building a new computer as we speak, just $500 worth of parts to go. But does that mean my current computer is useless? No, I just want better parts to run my games better and a little extra power to prepare me for the future. I am giving my current computer (6 years old, Runs perfect.) To my sister.

    “Most of what you posted are ten year old arguments… like “Macs suck for gaming” for example. Duh! Everyone already knows this – Nobody buys a Mac for gaming”

    Just because its old doesn’t mean they fixed the problem. I know at least 4 people who use boot camp to play Games on there Mac. Utterly pointless.

    “if you don’t like Macs, don’t buy one. It’s as simple as that.”
    Oh My God! I didn’t know you had a choice. I thought Apple and Microsoft where forcing you to use there OS only on the computers they want you to use them on! Oh, wait. that’s just Apple. Anyway, everyone already knows that. If they didn’t everyone would have both systems.

    “We buy Windows PC’s or consoles for that. We use our Macs for productivity.”

    Well I like to do my work fast. So I do it on a PC. I also like to have fun and play games. Maybe some MMOS or some COOP games. Or if I’m in the mood for a story I’ll play SP games. You are implying That you need a system for each thing you want to do. Mac’s may be made for productivity only. But PC’s where made so you could do what ever you want on them.

    Can you have your Mac hook up to a 50″ 3DHD TV in your living room, while you’r computer sits in your room on the second floor, and control it all with a remote? Because I can, and my family loves it.

  167. I didn’t read through the 500 pages of comments on this article, so some of what I’m about to say may already have been said. I apologize if this is the case. Here’s my two cents and rebuttal to this post:

    First, you should rename this blog post to “Top Ten Reasons Why I Think Macs Suck”.

    Second, you should verify your facts before you post nonsense. I’m sure that a lot of people have touched on this so I won’t go into detail about what you got wrong.

    Third, choice is great, isn’t it? I choose Mac, because I like how the hardware and software is integrated. I appreciate how good my Macbook Pro looks on my desk as compared to my friends’ oversized and clunky looking HP computers. I like that I can just use my computer. I don’t have to upgrade anything in it to get 5-7 years of use out of it. As a PC user and developer of 15 years, I can say that I REALLY appreciate that.

    Fourth, get some originality. Stop bashing Mac’s based on everyone else’s arguments and develop your own if you expect anyone to take you seriously. Most of what you posted are ten year old arguments… like “Macs suck for gaming” for example. Duh! Everyone already knows this – Nobody buys a Mac for gaming. Nobody. We buy Windows PC’s or consoles for that. We use our Macs for productivity.

    In conclusion – I agree that Macs are overpriced. I paid a lot for my Macbook Pro. That was my choice however. I was willing to pay the price for what I like. The bottom line is this – if you don’t like Macs, don’t buy one. It’s as simple as that.

  168. “Computing is about power and processing, not looks. You ganna shop for pc for performances not because of how it looks inside.”

    Just to bump this post up. lol

    . mmm well i seen a few people doing audio thats fine by that totally Understandable.

    . Other mac user’s they just go on facebook youtube and itunes mm thats just my point of view what i have seen.

    . could just get a netbook or a notebook so much easier. Then spending that much of money. Why not saved up the money to buy like a car?

  169. Her is a better example of a Lego computer. tfvlrue,wordpress,com/2008/06/25/lego-computer/

  170. Another example of the infinite customization you can do with a PC

    flickr,com/photos/linmtheu/5103895182/

    Yes that is a fully functioning computer…. made out of Lego’s.

  171. Most Mac Users Don’t know this so let me fill you in, but first a bit of recap.
    As most of know Apple (And Dell.[But not their Alienware Branch.]) Order their hardware from Foxcom, and kids as young as 13 work at Foxcom for 25 Cents an hour and they work 16 hours a day. Fucked up right? Now some people (Ex. WOW) Say Apples hardware if of a higher quality. Well considering how they make their parts I just cant see how that’s possible.

    Now for what I was gonna tell you. Do you know who makes the best Graphic cards? For NVIDIA it’s EVGA, for AMD its XFX. Do you know why they make the best? Because they manufacture their products in America where only trained adults make there cards out of quality parts. Not kids who shouldn’t be there in the first place.

    But some people say Apple has AMD’s GPU and Intel boards and chipsets, and that alone somehow make them good. Well first off Intel is good but they are just as overpriced as Apple. But all AMD and Intel do is give Apple the designs to their new products, then Apple sends that info over to Foxcon, and they get to work. There is not a single quality part from a reputable manufacture In any Apple product. At least Dell uses 3rd party GPU’s and Ram.

  172. I use Windows and Mac everyday. In fact, I have bootcamp on Mac and virtualbox on PC. I have NEVER had warranty issues with my laptops or PC. I have owned Macbook for about 5 years and Macbook Pro for 3 yrs. I had so many issues with Macbook that I thought it was wise to get warranty with Macbook pro. Boy! Was I right! As I type this, Pro hard disk has crashed, wireless network card doesnt work and DVD drive refuses to spit out disk (that is when you get it to read it). Macbooks have poor quality hands down. If you baby it and keep it for show while typing in word files sitting in Starbucks – then it might work. But if you are a power user with lot of travelling, stick to laptop. Even if they work for 2 years, you can get 3 laptops in the same price as Macbook. Thats 6 yrs! Even if macbook lasts 6 yrs – its almost guaranteed your OS and hardware won’t be supported.

  173. the name says it all

  174. “Computing is about power and processing, not looks. You ganna shop for pc for performances not because of how it looks inside.”

    Yes, and a PC will always perform better then a Mac.

  175. Computing is about power and processing, not looks. You ganna shop for pc for performances not because of how it looks inside.

  176. The only good Mac… Is a dead Mac. Fact.

  177. […]the time to study or stop by the content or websites we have linked to below the[…]

  178. “I don’t agree with MACs being more expensive especially when you compare what software you get.”

    You can get great software on a prebuilt Windows machines too, and it will still be cheaper then a Mac.

    Also, my friend has a MBP and all she uses it for is watching videos, browsing the web, and keeping in touch with friends. She does not need any of those programs you mentioned. But does apple give her the option to buy a MBP without that unnecessary software? No they don’t. Why? I assume its ether because they just don’t care, or that they just want as much money out of you as possible. Also note that none of the software that Mac’s come with are noted in the description of the Mac’s, this imply the software is free. On most PC sites they tell you what added software you are paying for and give you the option to remove it. Why doesn’t Apple do this too?

    “Macs also have a higher resale value.”
    Cool. My house has a higher resale value then my shoes. Do you know why? Because a house is way more expensive then a pair shoes. So obviously the more expensive item would have a higher resale value.

    PC hardware advances faster then Mac hardware because Windows and Unix based OS’s are very versatile. So the price for PC hardware is quite unstable.

  179. I don’t agree with MACs being more expensive especially when you compare what software you get. I have a MacBook Pro and I run Parallels with Windows XP in Coherence mode. This means I can run both at the same time in the same environment. Best of both worlds. You also get great software out of the box with a Mac, PDF generating and viewing, graphics programs, audio programs, word processing programs, programming tools (including Automator to configure your “right click” for anything you want), and a slew of others. Macs also have a higher resale value.

  180. Also the only drivers that ever update. (unless the product is new.) Are Video drivers. Other then that most other hardware and drivers almost never update unless it is necessary.

  181. @I USE BOTH

    I don’t know where you have been but there has been freeware that scans and updates all your drivers for you sense Windows 2000. Updating isn’t really a deal breaker as most programs do it on their own, and Windows will do it for you as well. Your are just nitpicking and being lazy.

  182. Honestly the only real reason Apple is still around is because the Competition law makes monopoly’s illegal. That is why Microsoft bailed out Apple when they filed for bankruptcy. Which is also why Intel and AMD contracted with Apple, so they wouldn’t fall to far behind in hardware as well.

    If it wasn’t for that Apple wouldn’t be doing computers anymore.

  183. I had PC for long time, until I got sick of trying to fix driver issues, installing updates from multiple vendors, getting rid of adware, and several more issues. I simply went into a shop and after 5 min of testing, I bought a Mac mini. That was 6 years ago. By now, I have 1 PC with 7 TB disk space (I have no clue how I can do this on a Mac with sufficient disk transfer speed), 1 iMac, and 1 Macbook. I still need use the PC from time to time for some special work, e.g. picture editing (I tried GIMP – totally complicated for me; I use seashore, but still uncomfortable). Most other stuff, I find way easier on a Mac. The updates come from one vendor (or auto updates by the programs), something that by now a lot of Windows software is also doing. But it just took few years too long. Mac was there long ago, I didn’t even know. I just wanted something “to use” and not “fix it first before use”.

    Most writers before me seem to think ‘one is better than the other’. Well, if one was better, there would only be that one. Why is there not just one car? Why is there not just one scanner? One printer? One manufacturer for shoes? etc etc. Different vendors/products have different pro’s and con’s. So as so often, it depends on WHAT YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR. This seems to get forgotten too often.
    Those that argue that PC is best for gaming: I’m not a gamer, but I would find it too expensive spending 600$ (+/-) for a graphics card with a sh*tty driver support, compared to simply buying a fun gaming station like Wii or PS3 or whatever is out there. A simple card game might be more fun for others, too.
    My opinion is:
    1. use/do what you like
    2. There may be a better suited tool out there to achieve what you want to achieve
    3. You may require different sizes/types of knifes for different purposes (same applies to computers)
    4. The one you are talking to/with may have different objectives – don’t forget this! One opinion is often not enough.

  184. maaaan pc sukz! macs are ta bomb! dey are shiny and amde by apple! what more do you need? gamez? pfft who playz gamez? noone datz who. every smart peoplez like all us mac userz just go to starbuckz and pretend to write books bro! win derps dun even have a curch fk dem man i go back to prayin to my mac! fk u all!

  185. Macs are shit brah. Real genious people like me use teh pc all teh time. No way in hell can you or would any pc user ever want to run mac on a pc. Sides brah that be totes illegal. Contract breaches are illegal yo! Buy a pc cause windoze is teh beez kaneez! aw yeah. mac sucks too expensive with 2g’s i could like totes buy like an ailienwarez or somethingz. Alienware are legit and so not over priced like mac. Also Sony Vaio!!!!!!11111oneoneone

  186. this is why pc rocks. with “free choice” of the right motherboard with lots of sata ports- voila. can any mac do this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

    on pc, developers can testbed new gpus by simply installing new cards.
    with an imac you have to transplant gpus or wait for release of new mac line to test /develop for the next gpu. hell you have to wait for bootcamp first.

    production use = pc

  187. I got suckered into buying a mac. Since I’m a heavy excel user it is suffice to say that Mac does not do it for me. All the formula controls are different (I don’t use the mouse, so this is a big deal). For any person not using much Excel here is something AWFUL about Macs- you only have one delete button that deletes words to the left, but you can’t delete the letters to the right. PCs let you delete both ways, so it’s much faster. Little things like this get me really frustrated since I paid like 3x for this computer.

    Note- If I could go back, I would NEVER have gotten a Mac. I am now looking to buy a PC for every day use and leave the Mac to look at pictures- yes, that’s all it is good for (unless you work in a designer area or something of the like).

  188. Mac interface in Lion is unefficient and this is fact. I couldnt find any reasonable argument stateing why mac os is better. The only argument i can hear is “mac is better becouse it is” or “once you go to mac you never go back”. Im trying mac os now for one month now, i`ve read many advices, keyboard shortcuts and i still find it unefficient.
    Biggest mistakes in mac interface in my opinion:

    1. Three colour buttons, maximize/minimize works ok (green button), but yellow button minimize can only minimize, while red but doest what exactly ? For one program it closes program for other program minimize. So you never know what happens after you click red button :D (agree with author – retarded).

    2. Jumping betwen open programs is soso, not to fast. Not easy.

    3. Again red yellow green button are so small that cliking it is eye killer.

    4. Window title – cliking on it does nothing – what a waste of space – whole wone line an the screen that does nothing.

    5. Dont know easy way to close program. Maybe keyboard schortcut, but with mouse you have to go for file-> close program ?! Eye killer.

    6. To copy files you need two windows of finder open. Try to open second window in easy way ? Again keyboard cmd+n, but what about mouse? Right clik and the searching for open new window – again eye killer.

    And this is only interface problem, viruses and multitasking also have many downsides.

  189. @OZ
    Mac’s are not financially expensive for me.

    But are Mac’s still expensive to me? Yes, because my dignity and loyalty are to high a cost for such a shitty product.

  190. “Windows based pc users are just like republicans, blissful, in a bubble of ignorance and lies.”

    I don’t care much for politics. But you have PC users and Mac users confused.

  191. And the democrats are so much better? Shut the hell up and leave politics out of this.

  192. Windows based pc users are just like republicans, blissful, in a bubble of ignorance and lies.

  193. @OZ. You’re exactly like any apple user. I’ve heard the “can’t afford a mac” story so many times. I probably make more money in a month than you do in a year. I can easily afford a mac and refuse to give a penny to apple.

  194. The brilliance of Apple’s design and development team shines through yet again:
    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/03/ten-disappointments-with-ios-51.ars

  195. poor windows fag can’t afford a mac :(

  196. Overpriced unreliable, slow, built in obsolescence (nothing lasts longer than 5 years, most parts make just past the warranties), CPU spiking fan noise piece of garbage.

    The epitome of style over substance. Perfect fo the age we live in.

    If you have to force Chinese workers not to commit suicide because they’re screwing down the price over their you now know why Apple are sitting on billions in offshore accounts.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384763,00.asp

  197. Sorry I meant standard, not stranded.

  198. Most mac users don’t upgrade their machines. They don’t need to. All they use them for is cruizing the internet, typing papers and searching for porn. PC user like to have the option to upgrade their machines if they want to with better cpu’s, more ram, and better video cards so they can get their porn in blazing fast 3d high def video. I’m sticking with PC’s.

  199. “Reliability, as a whole Apple uses well made parts.”

    I’m sure the $1000 rig I’m building is made with better parts then whatever Apple has. Your opinion isn’t a fact.

    Some of my parts are made to meet military standards. So you are gonna say Apple has better and more sturdy equipment then the military?

    “Just saying dude, build quality is something that PCs haven’t matched yet.”

    Well ‘dude’ PC’s have long surpassed the build quality of Mac’s. I don’t believe that there was ever a time when Apple hardware was ever better then the PC stranded.

    Also have you ever heard of a ToughBook’s or RuggedLaptops? They are Laptops that are built to last. They are more expensive then your stranded laptop, but still cheaper then Mac’s. And they will last longer then any other laptop out there.

  200. PS Like many of you have stated you cannot say that one computer is 100% better than all others if you have never even given any others a chance and tried their computers as well.

    PPS 1-3 days does of trying another OS does not make you a master off all computer knowledge, you have just barely scraped the tip of the iceberg. So lets all just try to be mature about this okay?

    -C

  201. I Don’t give two shits about what computer is more user friendly, or whatever.
    The entire point of a laptop/net-book is YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE. PC is not better than mac or Linux. Mac is not better than PC or Linux. Linux is not better than Mac or PC. if you like macs then buy a mac. If you like windows then buy a PC etc. i myself prefer PC. that’s just me, im not asking anyone to come pick sides and team up on other computer producers. Just ditch the stereotypes and use whatever OS suits you best and stop telling everyone else what kind of computer to buy and let them decide on their own.

    The title “you are all retards” only applies to you biased one sided idiots who say that all other computers suck, my apologies to anyone who was trying to make a valid point.

    sorry for any typos, but i think you get my point.

    -C

  202. number 1 doesnt apply to every1 tho.

  203. oh and my school uses apple. the people who run my school have that “we are extremely intelligent than anyone else” attitude. yes, we use macs, were so advanced. only PCs my school has is some super old, super cheap laptops, like their tryin to make macs look better. so yes, i completely agree with number 1

  204. oh plus the specs are so far superior, OS, final cut pro and all ur other mac stuff is just not comparable

  205. really depends what brand u use. u buy an HP, yes, it will probably fall apart eventually. Buy a dell, any trusted custom whitebox manufacturer or any other reliable PC company (there are many more) and you’ll be just as fine, if not better than a Mac.

  206. “Better being a measurement of what? Specifications or reliability? Yes you can build a”
    Both.
    -Specifications PC wins. Reliability, as a whole Apple uses well made parts.
    “Build quality is necessary to recognize, and you do. Which is why you custom build your computer is it not? You also said you got a custom steel casing did you not? I don’t mean aesthetic design when I say this, I mean “how well is it screwed together” when I say build quality.”
    I build my own computer because I ‘recognize’ Mac’s as a poorly built, over priced, door stop. So again I DO NOT RECOGNIZE MAC”S AR A “SCREWED TOGETHER” COMPUTER. If you mean ‘screwed together’ as in Apple screwed you over together with Intel. Then I agree.
    “Steel is far more prone to rust and is much heavier”
    Cool story bro. My old tower is 6 years old only rust is on the door. And if I want I could buy a Aluminum case too, or even a Steel/Aluminum case.
    You are the first person who has told me that their computer was physically falling apart. In none of my 4 years of working with computer repair company’s have I seen or heard of a computer physically falling apart. Yes sometimes internal parts become unstable or ware down. But I have never seen a computer case, laptop or desktop, in a condition worse then a few scratches or maybe a dent in a desktop. So again. I call bullsh*t.
    -You must not know many travelers. We travel with our laptops, everywhere. I had a HP G72-B62. It held up nicely, but again the top case was jittery and was just beginning to come apart when I retired it. My mom also had a Compaq laptop, Im not sure of the exact model, it was glossy, black and generally of eh quality. This is not to say you can’t buy a well made PC. I had an HP Pavilion DV6000 that was very sturdy. But it still doesn’t offer the rigidity that I need for a long lasting work laptop. Just saying dude, build quality is something that PCs haven’t matched yet.

  207. Why do some of you people call each other names like “wintel fanboys” and such? I bet a lot of the commentary is coming from very immature people.

    The bottom line is that every company has tuned their business to cater to the masses. Before the internet hit it big, there weren’t as many people with computers, and even fewer online. Ah, those were the days. The internet was mostly a useful place, but I digress.

    My point is, that the same is true for hardware/software. Everything these days is a marketing gimmick. Internet speeds especially!!

    When we think about fair market value, I can’t say that their (Apple) prices would make them an attractive buy. Besides, I absolutely hate proprietary hardware/software. Sadly, that is just reality. PCs simply allow you to upgrade/expand your system more. Plus if you are a developer, your probably not using a Mac. Just saying.

  208. @AS IT IS

    Glad you see how much a an argument you don’t have. And how little knowledge you have concerning computers.

    Bye.

    P.S. Why are you asking someone if he can play Console games on a PC? Do you really know nothing about PC’s and games? This thread is about PC’s, Mac’s, and the company’s that make them. So its safe to say, when someone says they can play any game on there PC, They are talking about PC games. I dont know why you would think otherwise.

  209. “Better being a measurement of what? Specifications or reliability? Yes you can build a”

    Both.

    “Build quality is necessary to recognize, and you do. Which is why you custom build your computer is it not? You also said you got a custom steel casing did you not? I don’t mean aesthetic design when I say this, I mean “how well is it screwed together” when I say build quality.”

    I build my own computer because I ‘recognize’ Mac’s as a poorly built, over priced, door stop. So again I DO NOT RECOGNIZE MAC”S AR A “SCREWED TOGETHER” COMPUTER. If you mean ‘screwed together’ as in Apple screwed you over together with Intel. Then I agree.

    “Steel is far more prone to rust and is much heavier”

    Cool story bro. My old tower is 6 years old only rust is on the door. And if I want I could buy a Aluminum case too, or even a Steel/Aluminum case.

    You are the first person who has told me that their computer was physically falling apart. In none of my 4 years of working with computer repair company’s have I seen or heard of a computer physically falling apart. Yes sometimes internal parts become unstable or ware down. But I have never seen a computer case, laptop or desktop, in a condition worse then a few scratches or maybe a dent in a desktop. So again. I call bullshit.

  210. Wow… So much for the Die hard, drink the cool aid Mac user…

    Win PC only people can be far far worse.

    I’ve realised what a mistake it was to even post on this page.

    Apologies.

  211. @STEVE

    So hows Killzone ,Uncharted or Gears of War 3 looking?

  212. lol but idk about the operating system, i tried OS and windows, enjoyed both, gotta admit

  213. My PC is made up of ASUS, XFX, and Thermaltake. Only ‘Cheap’ parts I have are the ram which I will be upgrading soon.
    “Jeez kid, I definitely said that I went to Verizon for service because you know what? Motorola contracts to Verizon for their distribution and service”
    And that proves that Droid is responsible for your phones hardware how?
    -It wasn’t the hardware I had problems with it was multiple software errors. Verizon verified this as a result from the Android updates. Don’t think that I believe Apple can do no wrong. I hated MobileMe and I still hate quicktime.
    “What matters is the quality standards.”
    You people keep saying that. But my PC has way better parts then any crapple.
    -Better being a measurement of what? Specifications or reliability? Yes you can build a
    “Sorry dude it’s a fact of life. You built your PC with the cheapest parts then? I don’t mean price point, did you use the weakest brands?”
    So its a fact of life that you know how I feel better then I do. Or that you are the probably the most arrogant person I have ever talked to?
    -Probably both. Im kidding, yes I am fairly arrogant. I have reaped the consequences of being so as well. Build quality is necessary to recognize, and you do. Which is why you custom build your computer is it not? You also said you got a custom steel casing did you not? I don’t mean aesthetic design when I say this, I mean “how well is it screwed together” when I say build quality.
    You seem to be underestimating my immense hate for Apple. I do not respect or appreciated anything they do or make. And THAT is a FACT. You seem to think just slapping the word ‘fact’ at the end of a sentence makes what you said true. But that’s not how this works.
    -Quite aware.
    “Yes, I just bought my mother an HP pavilion, the frame is steel, but the rim of the case (plastic) has already started to come apart.”
    Well your mum must be a unruly child. Because My mom has had the same laptop for 8 years. It’s still in perfect physical condition. So I call bullsh*t.
    -You may call that, but my friend has a Pavilion DV7 (same laptop) and it’s having less severe but similar problems. I may have gotten a lemon but it’s an example of why I like the unibody, these problems are physically impossible with such a design.
    “Ive seen the Asus display that you have. It’s a nice piece, but the gamut (the range of colors and their depth) is not as good as apples box. It’s a fact, google it, go to cnet or engadget or PC mag. Apple displays have consistently ranked either 1 or 2 in terms of color quality. And when you do color matching that is VERY important. It also looks nice.”
    Your wrong again. I did google it, and bing, and yahoo. All I found was that most Apple displays have 16.5 Million colors (I have 16.7 Million) And use the slandered color depth. (32bits). Never found your imaginary results. In fact on the ranked list I did look at It was Dell for 1st and Asus for 2nd.
    Also my tower is made out of steel. Better then your overpriced Aluminum pos.
    -Steel is far more prone to rust and is much heavier.
    Steel has yield strengths ranging from 30,000 – 150,000 psi
    Aluminum has yield strengths ranging from 15,000 – 70,000 psi

  214. * ten mg of ram, not to, lolz, u macs jealous?

  215. lol! u guys are like, the only reason u say mac owners are narcissistic are cuz u cant afford one. lol! its like, im pretentious cuz i have more money than u. prepared to buy a pc with an quad core 3.8 gh processor, 1.5 terabyte hardrive, to mg of ram. High quality graphics card (geforce), and of course, windows 7. Any desktop close to this on a mac would be, i dont know, 2000 dollars?! Gettin my pc for a touch under 900 dollars. o wait, damn, people wont think im an asshole. @JJ, lol thats my name too, go pc’s!

  216. I built my PC for almost half the price of a Mac, and with way better parts.*

    My grammar is not at it’s best today. :

  217. “It’s a nice piece, but the gamut (the range of colors and their depth) is not as good as apples box. It’s a fact, google it, go to cnet or engadget or PC mag. Apple displays have consistently ranked either 1 or 2 in terms of color quality.”

    reviews,cnet,com/best-lcd-monitors/

    You said cnet right? Well, unless Apple changed there name to Dell or NEC. They aren’t even on the list.

  218. @AS IT IS

    I built my PC for almost half the price of a Mac with way better parts.

    I can do anything and everything I want on my PC with no problems at all.

    Fact.

  219. “My mom has had the same laptop for 8 years.”

    When I say ‘same’ I don’t mean the same, as in the same one you mentioned.

  220. My PC is made up of ASUS, XFX, and Thermaltake. Only ‘Cheap’ parts I have are the ram which I will be upgrading soon.

    “Jeez kid, I definitely said that I went to Verizon for service because you know what? Motorola contracts to Verizon for their distribution and service”

    And that proves that Droid is responsible for your phones hardware how?

    “What matters is the quality standards.”

    You people keep saying that. But my PC has way better parts then any crapple.

    “Sorry dude it’s a fact of life. You built your PC with the cheapest parts then? I don’t mean price point, did you use the weakest brands?”
    So its a fact of life that you know how I feel better then I do. Or that you are the probably the most arrogant person I have ever talked to?

    You seem to be underestimating my immense hate for Apple. I do not respect or appreciated anything they do or make. And THAT is a FACT. You seem to think just slapping the word ‘fact’ at the end of a sentence makes what you said true. But that’s not how this works.

    “Yes, I just bought my mother an HP pavilion, the frame is steel, but the rim of the case (plastic) has already started to come apart.”

    Well your mum must be a unruly child. Because My mom has had the same laptop for 8 years. It’s still in perfect physical condition. So I call bullshit.

    “Ive seen the Asus display that you have. It’s a nice piece, but the gamut (the range of colors and their depth) is not as good as apples box. It’s a fact, google it, go to cnet or engadget or PC mag. Apple displays have consistently ranked either 1 or 2 in terms of color quality. And when you do color matching that is VERY important. It also looks nice.”

    Your wrong again. I did google it, and bing, and yahoo. All I found was that most Apple displays have 16.5 Million colors (I have 16.7 Million) And use the slandered color depth. (32bits). Never found your imaginary results. In fact on the ranked list I did look at It was Dell for 1st and Asus for 2nd.

    Also my tower is made out of steel. Better then your overpriced Aluminum pos.

    Steel has yield strengths ranging from 30,000 – 150,000 psi

    Aluminum has yield strengths ranging from 15,000 – 70,000 psi

  221. @AS IT IS.

    I have a PC I built and can play any game I want. No problems.

    That is a fact.

  222. RAWR!

    And I bought a mac to run OSx and Logic pro.

    No problems with updates, unlike Hackintosh.

    That is a fact.

  223. “No, Droid is the phone, I had a Motorola DROID 2.”
    Guess what. Motorola makes those not droid. Yes but the name of the phone is the DROID, like I said.
    -Jeez kid, I definitely said that I went to Verizon for service because you know what? Motorola contracts to Verizon for their distribution and service.
    “No, not the specs it’s how well the thing is screwed together. Foxconn makes other laptops besides Apple’s yes. But Apple’s quality requirements are higher than that of say, Dell’s.”
    Oh so it carry’s the Apple logo so that magically makes it even better even tho Apple pays foxcom less then dell and other computer company’s. Rational reasoning indeed.
    -Doesnt matter what they get paid, and where is your source for Foxconn’s pay? What matters is the quality standards.
    “Yes you DO recognize it, you may not respect it but you do recognize it”
    You are gonna tell ME how I fell!? If that’s not arrogance I don’t know what is. NO I don’t recognize it at all. I know me better then you know me. So f*ck you.
    -Sorry dude it’s a fact of life. You built your PC with the cheapest parts then? I don’t mean price point, did you use the weakest brands?
    “The top case is one piece. We’ve gone over this. You can take out the bottom. Yes it makes the laptop better because a solid piece of aluminum is much harder to break than a bunch of plastic pieces. The laptop is rigid and won’t fall apart.”
    You say that like PC laptops are nothing but plastic. There frames are Plastic but under that is steel. Other then that only under protected part is the screen. And NO it does not make your computer run better. In anyway at all.
    In the end I can buy a windows laptop with the same specs, if not better for almost half the price.
    “Windows is less stable because they allow you to mess around with it.”
    That is true and false. Windows stability vary from user. but as long as you don’t touch anything you don’t understand your good.
    -Yes, I just bought my mother an HP pavilion, the frame is steel, but the rim of the case (plastic) has already started to come apart. And Win 7 is more stable than Vista, this is very true. But the registry will slow down your laptop over time. And the DLLs let’s not forget those.
    “No. It’s not. Apple’s thunderbolt display has quite possibly the best color gamut and saturation I’ve seen”
    Love how Arrogant that is. Prove it. If its out of the ones you SEEN then you never seen mine.
    – Ive seen the Asus display that you have. It’s a nice piece, but the gamut (the range of colors and their depth) is not as good as apples box. It’s a fact, google it, go to cnet or engadget or PC mag. Apple displays have consistently ranked either 1 or 2 in terms of color quality. And when you do color matching that is VERY important. It also looks nice.

  224. “I’ve never understood why people buy macs. I built a 4-core 4.5 ghz processor beast for the same price as the cheapest Mac laptop. iPods are cool, but Apple computers suck.”

    I agree. Personally I prefer a generic MP3 player. No need for a program to put music on a generic MP3, just drag and drop.

    But once I got my HD monitor, SD just seems to be lacking and no longer satisfies me. So if I had to get a new media device it would be a Zune HD

  225. As for Mac’s sleek look. I find that the infinite amount of things you can put a PC in is wonderful. But if you are not to creative These are, in my opinion, some of the best looking cases I can find.

    My current Case and a personal favorite: www,tigerdirect,com/applications/searchtools/item-details,asp?EdpNo=6634206&body=MAIN

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    And just about the biggest case EVER: www,newegg,com/Product/Product,aspx?Item=N82E16811119252

    Replace all the Comma’s (,) With Period’s (.)

  226. ….. Seems the intelligence of the commenters wint down while I was on vacation.

    Only things I have to say are.

    “Why would macs or pc users have blueray drives when it costs 50quid to get a 1TB hard disk”

    What do HDD’s have to do with wanting to play Blu-Ray Disk’s?

    “Is it not obvious why they don’t use esata? I don’t use esata, it’s gay I don’t want different types of device cables on my pc and mac philosophy is simplicity.”

    Umm, maybe because they don’t want to give the user the choice to use the things they want. Do you even know what eSATA is for? Its for using External SATA devices that way you don’t HAVE to put everything inside your computer or HOPE that you have a Thunderbolt/Firewire port. Also if Thunderbolt or Firewire didn’t have some sort of issue it would be main-stream already.

    Stop acting like everyone is bulling Apple or that Apple is always right.
    An example to prove my point is Mini-Display ports. Apple made them. And most new computers, Motherboards, and Graphic cards have them. I have 4. I still prefer HDMI

    So if mini-display ports got around so fast. That just means the other crap Apple has is just that. Crap.

    ” i mean of course you want DVI it’s a computer, who has hdmi ports on their PC?”

    I have 1 on my mobo and 2 on my Radon HD 6870. I like having Video and Audio on one cable. It means less cords and simple setup. But wait, isn’t Apple all about being easy and simple? Why would they not have the easier connection? Maybe its because Apple doesn’t even have HD just Over-scan.

  227. Mac does suck. Period.

    I have used various PC’s for years, and then when I would stay at my girlfriend’s place, I would use her MacBook Pro.

    Holy fuck, what a piece of shit. First of all, the browser, Safari, constantly crashes. Don’t even think about trying to load multiple Flash videos. Now, my Mozilla Firefox on my PC would crashes, too, but it is fast and highly customizable, thus making the occasional crash bearable. It would also re-launch all the previous windows after a crash. Safari has yet to re-launch shit.

    How the fuck can you actually delete anything? I press “delete” and nothing fucking happens? Is that not what DELETE means? WTF, over.

    Downloading files and retrieving them is a bitch. Why can I not select where I want the file to go, and it’s name? I have to dog through Finder to get my files, and if I DL a lot of them, it’s an abortion of a mess.

    Right-click has about 30 percent of the functionality that a Windoze based PC has. Mac dropped the ball on this one. No excuse there.

    Window sizing. Why does MAXIMIZE not actually MAXIMIZE? Does Mac think I enjoy wasting time readjusting the windows 100 times a day?

    About the only positive for the Mac is that it is refined and smooth. The touchpad is by far the best I have ever used and has good two-finger functions. It makes a Dell laptop touchpad I use at work seem like child’s play. The keyboard is perfect, pressing the keys is firm, yet still soft and allows high-speed typing without friction.

    Still, I prefer my monstrous tower of a PC at least 10 to 1. I work fast and have a lot of files and documents, I need speed and customization, not trendy interfaces.

  228. I used to be an Apple fanboy of sorts (back with System 7, 8 and 9). Those were something actually different, if not better than the competition, at least with great potential. But I’ve seen Apple screw their own products over the decades and nowadays Macs are nothing special. It’s just the same shit as Windows and the recent misguided attempts by Canonical to popularize Ubuntu.

    In conclusion, use whatever works for you. And the Internet is for whining.

  229. i dont reccomend macs they get a lot of viruses i had a dell for 35 years it still works as for the macs at school they just got it last year its broken not that its damaged but it just wont turn on the mouse doesnt middle click it needs wifi as for dells they produce wifi the screen is a bit bigger but dells have hd quality macs have 10000 pixel by 2700 dells have 1000000 pixels by 20000. i would reccomend macs if they quit making computers altogether and leaves macs otherwise dells are better. if you dont believe me just listen to all the rip on macs.

  230. I love this article. I’m an avid Windows user, through and through. With that said, my work just gave me a macbook to use for video editing. I took it home over the weekend and couldn’t even get Firefox to install. Some little dummy prompt window kept tell me to drag the downloaded install to some application area. Every time I tried, it crashed on me. I was so displeased with using this thing, it confirms my opinion to never buy a mac!

  231. There is no right or wrong for all. I can’t stand fanboys for anything, even companies I like a lot of their products over. It’s sad, people do almost worship them as God. To which I’m sure that’s pissing Him off.

  232. I’ve never understood why people buy macs. I built a 4-core 4.5 ghz processor beast for the same price as the cheapest Mac laptop. iPods are cool, but apple computers suck.

  233. found this blog dated 2012 sums up what sucks this millineum,

    http://farismadi.com/blog/2012/02/22/my-experience-with-apple-mac-sucks/

  234. Mac’s have absolutley horrible hardware, but I must agree with Mac fanboys that they do have good software. There price in relation to the hardware is absolutely horrible and you can get better computers for a little more than half the price of a Mac.

  235. yo steve, leave already and get laid, ive tracked the comments and ure here since 2010 WTF!?

  236. @RAY. Thanks for proving my point.

  237. Pardon my spelling and grammar from previous comment STEVE.

    Shit happens.

  238. @Steve. You lost your “respect” for me? Oh, did you really? REALLY STEVE??!!! lol

    You seem like a MAC user. So worried about what others have to say. Always ready to judge people huh Steve? Why don’t you hold your balls and I’ll hold mine. Don’t worry about respect. We’re not here to collect Respect points from strangers. I’m here to take a shit, so people like you can come in and point to it “Eww, No Respect” and take pictures your your apple devices.

    Some of you people with your No Child Left Behind mentality make me sick. What happened to those days when Men were Men and women knew how to cook.

    I LOL at YOU. EAT Grass and watch TV, its good for you sheep.

  239. @RAY. Talking like a 16 year old isn’t going to help your case. As soon as I saw “People, PEOPLE! STFU” and “oops… blow me if it bothers you” I lost all respect for you.

  240. makers* (previous comment)

    oops… blow me if it bothers you.

  241. WOW!

    People, PEOPLE! STFU.

    You all sound like little babies whining about who gets to play first.

    We all know that the PC sucks. We also know that the MAC sucks harder.

    But, that does not mean we should fight a war that brings no profit to us as the back end user/customer/payee. We should unite and force these shitty, crappy, hardware and software makes to improve or GET OUT!

    Please…Don’t be sheep.

    STOP Herd Mentality!

    – Your local Armenian

  242. Macs look pretty, lets face it, on the surface they just look very smart and minimalist…. but that’s it!! (and they’re quite)

    I’ve worked at a film and reproduction firm where we only used Macs, and I hated it.. for the following reasons

    1. you need to to serious housekeeping (files in the right places) to keep your mac running at a good speed.
    2. the mouse/mice sucks ass, (not ergonomic at all)
    3. when your CD gets stuck in the CD-Tray, … good luck trying to get it out, (On a PC I just need to press a pin into the CD tray pinhole)… Apple was so kind to block this hole, so you’re forced to take the bloody thing apart. Which means you’ll have to shut down, and take the case apart, take the cd-rom out……… you get the point
    4. Show me a MAC with 4 monitors that actually work…..
    5. Try and get the latest software for a MAC…. IT’LL ALWAYS BE ON A PC FIRST.
    6. They are OVERPRICED!!!! (both hardware and software)

    If you look at heavy-duty applications/software it’s always for PC only, think about animation movies and rendering farms (they’re all PC) think about the servers that host websites and data (they’re all PC), complicated fluid dynamics software…. (all for PC)….

    MAC’s are really only used by graphic design studios that do small adverts and print media. And the only reason they have MAC’s is because they look nice with the new office space.
    But when it comes to designing planes/cars/buildings (anything that needs to go through analysis and number crunching) it’s always PC. The large Hadron Collider (designed and being run with PC’s)
    Think about the infrastructure in your city and departments and what they run on…….. (PC’s no doubt)
    If you really just want a MAC because it looks prettier, then check out the LIAN LI cases for PC…. now that is truly minimalistic and much better designed than the MACs

    PC’s are more heavy-duty, more customizable, have more options, and better pricing because there are so many hardware/software developers that are competing for the market, whereas Apple is the monopoly and will charge what they want.

    PC’s are just better (if you don’t believe me, try building a dual xeon MAC)

    If you’re still a MAC fan, can you I give you my account number?? and you deposit money into it seeing as you’re just throwing your money away anyway..

  243. @RICHARD. I have both HDMI and a blu-ray burner on my PC. I prefer HDMI over DVI or VGA any day. And how can you compare a blu-ray drive to a 1 TB hard drive? If I want to rent a blu-ray movie how am I going to watch it on my PC without a blu-ray drive?

  244. lol, macs are not based on linux (it has roots in bsd), most of this stuff is rubbish, i mean of course you want DVI it’s a computer, who has hdmi ports on their PC?

    Why would macs or pc users have blueray drives when it costs 50quid to get a 1TB hard disk?

    Is it not obvious why they don’t use esata? I don’t use esata, it’s gay I don’t want different types of device cables on my pc and mac philosophy is simplicity.

    no the reason macs suck is much more complicated than you are able to understand clearly

  245. At this point PC users don’t even have to say anything. You make yourself look like a fool.

  246. @REEVES. There is no such thing as a PC fanboy. PC users don’t twist the truth. apple users only say their opinions which is why they are fan boys. We can throw fact after fact at you and you refuse listen.

    And what is with all you apple users and your immaturity.

    “SHUT THE HELL UP, GET A LIFE, STOP SUCKING GATE’S DICK, STOP TRYING TO ACT COOL LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING, AND FOR THE LOVE OF TECHNOLOGY…GO TO HELL”

    “Fuckin’ PC Fanboy”

    “faggot. Go cry to mommy.”

    If I didn’t know any better I’d say apple users are immature teenagers. You give apple users an even worse name. Keep it up, kid.

  247. Fuckin’ PC Fanboy

  248. @A Mac User. Typical immature mac user. Go to back Starbucks and stop freaking out.

  249. this is the stupidest article ever. the X button closes the window, but it shows that the internet application is running…dumbass. close a window on Facebook, and re-open it again, homepage comes up, not Facebook. THIS IS NOT MINIMIZING<– but i'm stupid and you are a genius. you are the smartest person in the world. you don't own a mac, but you know everything about it. You are so smart! and to all that agree with this idiot, y'all need to try a mac out and not listen to crap like this. to the author of this article- SHUT THE HELL UP, GET A LIFE, STOP SUCKING GATE'S DICK, STOP TRYING TO ACT COOL LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING, AND FOR THE LOVE OF TECHNOLOGY…GO TO HELL

  250. faggot. Go cry to mommy.

  251. @ZANDER. We aren’t even talking about the actual article anymore. Read the posts before you start freaking out like a school girl. All the PC users posting on here are listing facts unlike the apple users.

  252. You are an idiotic one sided fanboy bitch, the evidence you use against mac is COMPLETELY opinionated. How about owning a mac for a few years before you start blowing smoke out of your ass. Oh and you actually had to use right clicking as a negative point because you’re to unintelligent to think of a better argument.

  253. 1. Mac’s are pricey for the hardware you get. Build a PC yourself with the same specs as a Mac and you will save money.

    2. Windows does what I want. I don’t understand people who say that they have loads of trouble with windows. XP was awesome, Vista was kind of a let down, but with windows 7 I basically never get errors.

    3. I don’t think I’ve ever heard somebody say ‘Does it run on windows’, but ‘Does it run on a Mac’ all too frequently.

    4. Macs have better software. Well, but new software for your pc then. Duh. Sony Vegas, Photoshop. Awesome?

    5. Macs look pretty. Buy a decent case for your PC.

    6. Yes, you’ve guessed it. I don’t like macs at all. A PC has done everything I need it to, for cheaper than a Mac.

  254. ha.. I love apple fanboys :) On the other hand they could have virtualized windows. Then again whats the point of wasting all that money on a mac :)

  255. @RAWR. If you noticed I’m not even acknowledging WOW anymore. His posts are way too long and it’s all his opinion.

  256. “As for that Acer the Phenom II is inferior to the i7 in my box. Also the discrete graphics card is lower spec’d as well, so no. I wouldn’t take the Aspire over my mac box. It is a good value for the specs. I would like to see the brands and quality of the various parts though. But overall not a bad value at all.”

    Never said it was better. Said it was the best I could find. And it really is good for the price if you don’t do anything to demanding.

    I prefer AMD over Intel. In my experience AMD can OC better and is a better value. Ex. AMD FX-6100 6core 8MB L3 6MB L2 3.30GHz (OC 4.1GHz) Unlocked – $150 vs Intel Core i7-2600 Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 1MB L2 Cache, 3.40 GHz (3.80 GHz Max Turbo) – $300

    Also because the AMD cpu is OC and unlocked 4.1GHz is just the recommended OC but it can go higher. Granted you have adequate cooling.

  257. Diablotek 750W Power Supply – $35

    Asus 24.5″ Widescreen HD LED 1080p, 2X2 Built in Speakers – $150 -$20Rebate

    NZXT PHAN-001BK Phantom Full-Tower Case – $130 -$20Rebate

    Corsair DDR3 2133MHz 6GB – $50 -$10Rebate

    AMD FX-6100 6core 8MB L3 6MB L2 3.30GHz (OC 4.1GHz) Unlocked – $150

    ASUS M5A97 AMD 9 Series Motherboard – $100 -$10Rebate

    XFX Double D HD-687A-ZDFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 -$170 -$20Rebate

    1TB SATA HDD 7200RPM x2 – $120 -$10Rebate x2

    Sony 2.1 Speaker set – $25

    $930

    $830 after rebate.

    Find me a Better Mac for the same price.

  258. “No, Droid is the phone, I had a Motorola DROID 2.”

    Guess what. Motorola makes those not droid.

    “No, not the specs it’s how well the thing is screwed together. Foxconn makes other laptops besides Apple’s yes. But Apple’s quality requirements are higher than that of say, Dell’s.”

    Oh so it carry’s the Apple logo so that magically makes it even better even tho Apple pays foxcom less then dell and other computer company’s. Rational reasoning indeed.

    “Yes you DO recognize it, you may not respect it but you do recognize it”

    You are gonna tell ME how I fell!? If that’s not arrogance I don’t know what is. NO I don’t recognize it at all. I know me better then you know me. So fuck you.

    “The top case is one piece. We’ve gone over this. You can take out the bottom. Yes it makes the laptop better because a solid piece of aluminum is much harder to break than a bunch of plastic pieces. The laptop is rigid and won’t fall apart.”

    You say that like PC laptops are nothing but plastic. There frames are Plastic but under that is steel. Other then that only under protected part is the screen. And NO it does not make your computer run better. In anyway at all.
    In the end I can buy a windows laptop with the same specs, if not better for almost half the price.

    “Windows is less stable because they allow you to mess around with it.”
    That is true and false. Windows stability vary from user. but as long as you don’t touch anything you don’t understand your good.

    “No. It’s not. Apple’s thunderbolt display has quite possibly the best color gamut and saturation I’ve seen”

    Love how Arrogant that is. Prove it. If its out of the ones you SEEN then you never seen mine.

  259. @UIDIOT. Typical apple user response. As a business owner I can afford whatever computer I want. I choose to build my own. Money wasn’t an issue when building mine. Igornant kid.

  260. U are certainly out of touch. And probably poor.

  261. Again all your droid problems where most likely because of the service provider. Not Droid. Remember Droid is the OS not the phone. So of course Droid cant replace the hardware if they didn’t make it in the first place. I have Spectrum LG not the best phone but it’s good enough. I have a Warranty with LG as well.
    -No, Droid is the phone, I had a Motorola DROID 2.
    “So windows software is better because there is more of it? By your logic starbucks has the best coffee because there’s more of them than other coffee shops.”
    I think coffee is a terrible example. I for one hate all coffee. But that doesn’t mean all coffee is bad. Does Starbucks have the best coffee? Well, that’s subjective, but they didn’t get to where they are now by magic.
    Mac user’s keep spouting nonsense about ‘quality control’. In what way is Mac hardware better then what I have? Because OS X only supports some hardware? All that says to me is that the dev’s where to lazy to give support to all hardware. Which would also allow Apple to control what there user’s use. For example, Mac’s can only use AMD GPU’s and Intel CPU’s. So what if I like Nvidia GPU’s and AMD CPU’s better? Well I’m f*cked, all because Apple doesn’t want me to have a custom rig.
    -No, not the specs it’s how well the thing is screwed together. Foxconn makes other laptops besides Apple’s yes. But Apple’s quality requirements are higher than that of say, Dell’s.
    “Also “not worth a damn, tech-wise,…” thats ludicrous, Apple’s displays are always among, if not the top rated displays in the business.”
    No I believe my cheap ($130) ASUS VE228H 24″ LCD Full 1080P HD Widescreen monitor With 2×2 built in speakers is better then whatever you have.
    -No. It’s not. Apple’s thunderbolt display has quite possibly the best color gamut and saturation I’ve seen,
    Also does just the display alone make it worth anything tech-wise? I buy tech when they are good over all not just because I like one part about it.
    “Craftsmanship as well, may be subjective, but it IS recognized by everyone.”
    Well I don’t recognize it. So that blows your theory out of the water.
    -Yes you DO recognize it, you may not respect it but you do recognize it.
    Also the ‘uni-body experience’ is just bullsh*t. Will my computer run better just because The case is in one piece? no that just means its harder to replace any parts if something happens. Also I thought Uni-body meant that it has no seams, meaning it is all one piece, one frame, no removable parts. Like how most aircraft’s are built. But doesn’t the fact you can take apart your MBP mean its not uni-body? Otherwise how would you upgrade the ram? Get Kitty Pryde to do it for you?
    -The top case is one piece. We’ve gone over this. You can take out the bottom. Yes it makes the laptop better because a solid piece of aluminum is much harder to break than a bunch of plastic pieces. The laptop is rigid and won’t fall apart.

    As for that Acer the Phenom II is inferior to the i7 in my box. Also the discrete graphics card is lower spec’d as well, so no. I wouldn’t take the Aspire over my mac box. It is a good value for the specs. I would like to see the brands and quality of the various parts though. But overall not a bad value at all.
    As for the right click, yes I prefer the Apple trackpad and it’s gestures because they are more versatile. Windows is less stable because they allow you to mess around with it. Although there are quite a few mac themes for snow leopard and hopefully lion will prove to be as versatile as SL was. But yes, you’re right. I prefer some things to be more versatile and others to be less. But the trackpad is part of the computer’s experience, and it is as versatile as it is because the OS is more controlled.

  262. True, Mac sucks. Apple sucks dick.

  263. Well, the reasons to buy a mac are pretty obvious:
    Either youre a chick or youre an absolute noob regarding tech. As soon as you wanna do some modding, enhancing or w/e on your machines, youre basically fucked on a mac. Windows is not jailing you as mac does. Same with android, on an android phone u can basically do EVERYTHING while on the iphone u can do exactly what youre supposed to. [ex. try to download a wikileaks app ^^]. My rooted sgs2 can do everything, from evading vpn to taking your facebook pw, why… because i can :D
    Mac is just built up for the less gifted ppl cause its basically impossible to break a mac by modding or w/e since you dont even get that far. why would i buy a machine that tells me “only this far!”?! the superadmin of your mac is the godforsaken macstore ><
    besides the fact that apple is cultivating his hippie/alternative flair, its really no use as soon as your needs exceed photoshop and word (cause if you used pages ud still be qqing) ^^

  264. Again all your droid problems where most likely because of the service provider. Not Droid. Remember Droid is the OS not the phone. So of course Droid cant replace the hardware if they didn’t make it in the first place. I have Spectrum LG not the best phone but it’s good enough. I have a Warranty with LG as well.

    “So windows software is better because there is more of it? By your logic starbucks has the best coffee because there’s more of them than other coffee shops.”

    I think coffee is a terrible example. I for one hate all coffee. But that doesn’t mean all coffee is bad. Does Starbucks have the best coffee? Well, that’s subjective, but they didn’t get to where they are now by magic.

    Mac user’s keep spouting nonsense about ‘quality control’. In what way is Mac hardware better then what I have? Because OS X only supports some hardware? All that says to me is that the dev’s where to lazy to give support to all hardware. Which would also allow Apple to control what there user’s use. For example, Mac’s can only use AMD GPU’s and Intel CPU’s. So what if I like Nvidia GPU’s and AMD CPU’s better? Well I’m fucked, all because Apple doesn’t want me to have a custom rig.

    “Also “not worth a damn, tech-wise,…” thats ludicrous, Apple’s displays are always among, if not the top rated displays in the business.”

    No I believe my cheap ($130) ASUS VE228H 24″ LCD Full 1080P HD Widescreen monitor With 2×2 built in speakers is better then whatever you have.
    Also does just the display alone make it worth anything tech-wise? I buy tech when they are good over all not just because I like one part about it.

    “Craftsmanship as well, may be subjective, but it IS recognized by everyone.”

    Well I don’t recognize it. So that blows your theory out of the water.

    Also the ‘uni-body experience’ is just bullshit. Will my computer run better just because The case is in one piece? no that just means its harder to replace any parts if something happens. Also I thought Uni-body meant that it has no seams, meaning it is all one piece, one frame, no removable parts. Like how most aircraft’s are built. But doesn’t the fact you can take apart your MBP mean its not uni-body? Otherwise how would you upgrade the ram? Get Kitty Pryde to do it for you?

  265. “Now, I think the Mac right click is more versatile because I can program any corner of the track pad to work as a right click, or one side, or two fingers, or a two fingered double tap rather than just one button.”

    So Mac’s right click is better because its more versatile, but Windows is worse then Mac because Windows is more versatile…. Your rational mind at work?

  266. Acer Aspire AS7551-7422 $320

    Condition New
    Display 17.3″ HD Widescreen CineCrystal™ LCD display (1600 x 900)
    Processor AMD Phenom II X4 Quad-Core Processor N970 (2.2GHz, 2MB L2 cache)
    Operating System Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit with Office 2010 Starter
    GPU ATI Radeon HD 4250 Graphics
    Memory 4GB DDR3 1333; 8GB Maximum
    Hard Disk Drive 500GB SATA 5400RPM
    Optical Disk Drive 8X DVD-SuperMulti Double-Layer Drive
    Communications 10/100 Ethernet
    802.11B/G/N Wireless
    Input Devices Full-Size Keyboard with Multi-gesture Touchpad
    I/O Ports & Connectors 1 x RJ-45
    1 x VGA
    1 x HDMI
    1 x Line-Out(Headphone)
    1 x Input (Microphone)
    3 x USB
    Devices 5-in-1 digital media card reader compatible with Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard (MMC), xD-Picture Card, Secure Digital (SD) Card
    Built-In 1.3MP HD Webcam (1280 x 1024)
    Power Supply 6-cell Li-ion battery
    Dimensions (W x H x D) 16.3 x 1.4 x 10.8 inches

    Best I could find : ) Really nice for the price if you ask me. I’ve been needing a laptop, might just buy this one after I finish building my new rig.

  267. Good lord, look, my droid had multiple, multiple crashes. On top of that when I dropped the phone (I’m human) and the case cracked Verizon said “we don’t cover any physical damage that wasn’t caused by manufacturing.” Yes, that’s Verizon’s fault, totally, but they supplied the phone. Who else are you going to ask for support? My iPhone was replaced free of charge, no questions asked, out of warranty. And yes, that’s because Apple makes the phone. Yep. Also, I like the App Store better, at the time it had more apps, I think the Android Market has surpassed sheer number. The iPhone and Droid are the same price, so it’s a matter of taste. And my iPhone works flawlessly with my mac and iCloud. And Ive had two iPhones, both were totally trouble free and had excellent service. They also cost the same as my Droid. If a company has a product that has multiple issues and they have crappy support how can you blame me for not going back? Yet if I have nothing but exemplary support and a company’s product does exactly what they advertise then how am I crazy for buying from them? Look, you can say “iSheep, brainwashed, et cetera” all you want, but I reason with a rational mind. My computer lets me get my work done quickly and efficiently. “Hardware this, hardware that” it is important, definitely. But 0.4 GHZ isn’t going to make my keynote run exponentially faster. And an AMD Radeon 7500M isn’t going to make Logic Pro run 2x faster than my 6490M. Hardware is very important, but the hardware I get with my Mac is very good, and to me, efficiency when doing tasks is more important than hardware. Is that a crime? Because apparently, hardware for $ is the only thing that matters.

    Now, I think the Mac right click is more versatile because I can program any corner of the track pad to work as a right click, or one side, or two fingers, or a two fingered double tap rather than just one button.

    @Steve So windows software is better because there is more of it? By your logic starbucks has the best coffee because there’s more of them than other coffee shops.
    @Doug; you will not pay 2-4 times more (Mac Pro aside, it is ridiculous) for an EQUIVALENT competitor. I don’t mean some dell box made with cheap parts, and please don’t even bother with “they’re all made in China” quality control is different. Sony VAIOs, HP Envys, Dell XPS-Z series are what I would be cross-shopping if I wanted to buy a PC and CNET, PC Mag, Engadget and Techo Buffalo seem to agree.

    Alex:
    @CHEESEBALL Not only they’re biased, but on certain forums they tend to even suggest some people to get a normal Windows-PC, with much more specs/hardware, instead of wasting moneys on a Mac to Bootcamp Windows.
    An example was an iSheep suggesting some other guy (apparently new to the Mac world) to get a Sony VAIO, instead of a Mac….if he wanted to run his Windows programs.
    So, they’re basically contradicting themselves over and over again.
    – So they’re biased, but they don’t care if you don’t use a Mac. Right. I personally never said I wanted everyone to use a Mac. I think they have different uses. I also think you’re belittling Apple users love for their computers because secretly you don’t like yours. But that is irrelevant.
    They probably know that their expensive aluminium box with an Apple logo isn’t worth a damn, tech-wise, but still, they try to hide themselves from all embar*ssment, by trying to say, with their “superiority”, that a Windows PC will be good for the programs he/she must use (of course, we all know that), instead of trying to proselitize their “superior” platform, such a Church practicant would do.
    – I think my platform is superior in terms of audiovisual work simply because of the efficient UI. You can propagate sony vegas if you want but it’s still going to suck. Also “not worth a damn, tech-wise,…” thats ludicrous, Apple’s displays are always among, if not the top rated displays in the business. (don’t bother with pixel density, color gamut comes first when graphic work is involved, pixel density is a close, close second.) And I have yet to see a PC manufacturer bring a touchpad that even comes close to Apple’s. Craftsmanship as well, may be subjective, but it IS recognized by everyone. You can say that’s an opinion, but you can’t say it’s “nonsense, or bullcrap.”
    So,yeah. Some iSheeps know that they’re running underpowered expensive PC hardware, but they’re embar*ssed by the fact that they payed thousand of $$$ for a $300 Windows-like performance machine (though, even a crappy netbook will run XP just fine….even better than OS X), and not a rock-solid platform, as Apple continue to advertise.
    Apple is all smoke and mirrors. Nothing will change the fact that Windows IS the computer, and not Macs.
    -You show me a $300 Windows box that will beat my Mac
    Processor 2.0 GHz quad-core Intel Core i7
    Cache 6MB shared L3 cache
    Memory 4GB (two 2GB SO-DIMMs) of 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM; supports up to 8GB
    Graphics Intel HD Graphics 30005 and AMD Radeon HD 6490M with automatic graphics switching. 256MB GDDR5 graphics memory.
    Hard disk drive1 500GB Serial ATA, 5400 rpm
    Optical drive 8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Wireless Wi-Fi (based on IEEE 802.11n specification)4 Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate) wireless technology
    Expansion One Thunderbolt port (up to 10 Gbps), one FireWire 800 port (up to 800 Mbps), Two USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps), one SDXC card slot
    Video and Audio FaceTime HD camera; Thunderbolt port with support for DVI, VGA, dual-link DVI, and HDMI
    Stereo speakers with subwoofers, omnidirectional microphone, audio line in minijack (digital/analog), audio line out/headphone minijack (digital/analog)
    Size and weight Height: .95 inches (2.41 cm)
    Width: 14.35 inches (36.4 cm)
    Depth: 9.82 inches (24.9 cm)
    Weight (standard configuration): 5.6 pounds (2.54 kg)3
    I paid $1357 for it. No, it’s not a great hardware value, but Ive beaten this horse to death twice over.
    @Jared: her macbook is at least two years old, and your PC is most likely under 1 year old, thats the HP envy right?

  268. I have used both mac and pc since I was 5 and I have to say I don’t like the way the way mainstream Operating systems are evolving. Competition,hype,money = windows and mac. Open source is the way to go, with no ill motives it grows the fastest and is by far the most flexible yes I am talking Linux. Mac really is a good choice for people new to computers, but if your like me you won’t be able to stand the idiot proof interface and extreme lack of flexibility. windows is only slightly more flexible in my opinion.

    http://distrowatch.com choose from 4000 linux flavors to suit your needs or geek level and don’t pay over 2000 only to limit yourself.

  269. I agree that software is a matter of opinion … to a point. Windows IS better because you get more out of it. Like more software selection. Nearly all software/games for Windows is made for it and not ported over or manipulated to work. On a mac the software is either ported or you need bootcamp.

  270. Im not a pc fanboy, but Macs are incredibly overpriced for the weak hardware that is included. My gf’s 1500 dollar macbook has only 2 Gb ram and only a 2.0 ghz intel core 2 duo processor. My 750 dollar hp has a quad core processor that runs at 2.7ghz and 6 gb of ram. It also has beats audio and a mid range Radeon graphics card. All of this for half the price. So from a hardware aspect there is no arguing that pc’s are just better for the price. When it comes to software its all just a matter of opinion.

  271. The article is exactly right. Who in their right mind would pay 2 to 4 times more for a computer that has a slower processor, less RAM, crap video card, and barely any software available?

    I’ll tell you who: Mac fanboys that have been brainwashed into believing that Mac computers are better.

  272. What a dick-head huh? Get a life you punk.

  273. macs do suck they are overpriced and shitty but if you really want to use mac just do a hackentosh for 1 quater the price you can get a gamming pc build with mac osx windows and linux. i currently have a pc with an i7 3960x three amd 6970 and an rampage iv extreme(not the build for the quarter of the price) with windows, mac and linux.

  274. @CHEESEBALL Not only they’re biased, but on certain forums they tend to even suggest some people to get a normal Windows-PC, with much more specs/hardware, instead of wasting moneys on a Mac to Bootcamp Windows.
    An example was an iSheep suggesting some other guy (apparently new to the Mac world) to get a Sony VAIO, instead of a Mac….if he wanted to run his Windows programs.
    So, they’re basically contradicting themselves over and over again.
    They probably know that their expensive aluminium box with an Apple logo isn’t worth a damn, tech-wise, but still, they try to hide themselves from all embarassment, by trying to say, with their “superiority”, that a Windows PC will be good for the programs he/she must use (of course, we all know that), instead of trying to proselitize their “superior” platform, such a Church practicant would do.
    So,yeah. Some iSheeps know that they’re running underpowered expensive PC hardware, but they’re embarassed by the fact that they payed thousand of $$$ for a $300 Windows-like performance machine (though, even a crappy netbook will run XP just fine….even better than OS X), and not a rock-solid platform, as Apple continue to advertise.
    Apple is all smoke and mirrors. Nothing will change the fact that Windows IS the computer, and not Macs.

  275. Thanks, CHEESEBALL. Nearly every PC user on here has given only facts. Nearly every apple user has given opinions. If I had time I’d post another PC/mac price comparison.

  276. Thank You, CHEESEBALL.

    An example of iSheep contradicting themselves is when you tell them about a problem Mac’s once had, they say it’s OK because they no longer have that problem. But WOW said he left his Droid because “It was the terrible service and multiple bugs and crashes.”
    Well the ‘terrible service’ is the phone company’s fault not the Droid’s. But what WOW said is true, with only old Droids that cant handle the newer versions of the Droid software. The newer Droids run smooth and are very stable. But WOW doesn’t care. He had one bad experience, and so that forever makes Droid a terrible device. But if wow had a crappy iPhone that was buggy and crashed allot. You know he will buy another one later, after they fix the problems.

    Yes, I said one. because unless you had three phones, it was only one experience.

    Another example is when an iSheep gets all defensive and runs out of ‘facts’ to argue about. They then start arguing about how in their opinion, Mac is better in every way. But then when a PC users says they like the Windows right click better then Mac’s. iSheep go nuts. So its OK for you to blurt out your opinion but we are not allowed to disagree with you? Moreover, iSheep say that things that where made for Mac first are better on Mac. But then they say that the Mac right click is just as good as the PC right click or even better. Even tho the PC had it first.

    Those are also examples on how iSheep are Biased.

  277. I like how WOW and REDLINE act like only Apple has R&D.

    Everyone has R&D Apple is the only one that makes you pay for it.

    Keep up the good work RAWR! and STEVE, Mac users ain’t got shit on you guys.
    They also contradict themselves and are biased. They say a PC is bad for one reason but then say it’s OK for Apple to make that same mistake.

  278. Great article! Fuck apple! They are crappy, just a polished turd!

  279. oh come on this guy wasn’t payed by microsoft he’s just proving why you should stick with a more better classic version of a laptop/computer

  280. “So he can in fact access his bank account. Albeit in a roundabout fashion.”

    “I know some people who act like logging into a bank account and printing the transaction log is rocket science.”

    I was saying online. Never said he couldn’t get into it at all.

    “Well you have me puzzled. On mine there was a readme and an install summary. I will upload screenshots. So what all did it install? On my computer it was just iTunes 10.5.3”

    Well of course it installed iTunes. It installed Apple software updater, which is understandable. something Called bonjour. Apple customer support software, don’t need that. A program that had something to do with Apple mobile devices. And two other programs I cant seem to remember the names of.

    “-No, Apple sells software as well. And why is it that every IT guy (especially the ones at ITWorx) tell me that “I like the Mac hardware””

    But Apple still sells Computers, and they are overpriced. Saying they only sell over priced hardware is implying they don’t sell computers. Or that their computers cant be called computers.

  281. “I definitely said that it was on the installer. But you were right that it didn’t say more details. There is a read me, a summary and some other stuff. All the things on my mac are up to date. I will have to install it on my mothers PC and take a screenshot. But if you google “iTunes installer” there are several shots of the installer specifying what programs are being installed.”
    I did this already but my post never came up so let me try again.
    ht tp : // tinypic,com/r/opw6fn/5
    ht tp : // tinypic,com/r/6z5u2h/5
    “What? Because my experience with Androids hasn’t been that they’re magical and ‘open sourced?””
    Yes because you had one bad time with something and because of that you say that is forever bad. But yet you pardon Apple when they ‘fix’ their bugs and errors, but not another company? Once you have a bad experience with anyone other then Apple, you stray away from them forever, that’s how you think?
    -“once bad experience” No, it wasn’t once. I usually give a company 3 strikes. It was the terrible service and multiple bugs and crashes that led me away from Androids. My iPhone did have a problem with 3g reception that was a software bug. THe apple store gave me another, no questions asked. Verizon? “Um, well this happens fairly often, so were going to ask if you can just be patient with us.” – no thanks.
    I never had a bad experience, with any of my non-Apple products. Well that’s not entirely true there was one time my PC crashed but I knew exactly why it crashed, and it was my fault. Because I did something wrong.
    So based on my personal experience, professional experience, and the research I’ve done. over 80% of the time computers crash because of user errors. 17% of the time are due to hardware failure, and 3% of the time it actually is the OS.
    In other words, you most likely f*cked up. And are blaming it on the manufacture. People rarely admit their mistakes, and always try to pin the fault on someone or something other then themselves. I do it too.
    “apple sells overpriced computers. Fact.
    -What you said about human nature is entirely correct. But I didn’t leave windows because of stability issues. I just didn’t like the way that the operating system was all about the operating system and not the task at hand. THis may sound weak or cheesy, but OS X really does help with my raging ADD. And it’s worth the cost to me. <- and thats a fact.
    -Computers, thats subjective. Overpriced hardware? yes.”
    It is not subjective, and Apple does not sell hardware, only computers. So if their hardware is over priced then that makes their computers overpriced as well.
    -No, Apple sells software as well. And why is it that every IT guy (especially the ones at ITWorx) tell me that "I like the Mac hardware"
    RAWR! SAYS:
    February 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    “If someone is running a business how can they not know how to access a bank account?”
    He did it through phone, fax, and in person.
    -So he can in fact access his bank account. Albeit in a roundabout fashion.
    “But you were right that it didn’t say more details. There is a read me, a summary and some other stuff.”
    There is no readme before the install. Not sure about after. Was never offered the chance to read it or bothered to go to the install folder to find it. And no notification of the other programs installed. In fact if I hadn’t planed on uninstalling iTunes afterwords I would of never known that iTunes installed other software on my computer without my permission.
    “I definitely said that it was on the installer.”
    I was talking about the installer as well.
    -Well you have me puzzled. On mine there was a readme and an install summary. I will upload screenshots. So what all did it install? On my computer it was just iTunes 10.5.3

  282. “If someone is running a business how can they not know how to access a bank account?”

    He did it through phone, fax, and in person.

    “But you were right that it didn’t say more details. There is a read me, a summary and some other stuff.”

    There is no readme before the install. Not sure about after. Was never offered the chance to read it or bothered to go to the install folder to find it. And no notification of the other programs installed. In fact if I hadn’t planed on uninstalling iTunes afterwords I would of never known that iTunes installed other software on my computer without my permission.

    “I definitely said that it was on the installer.”

    I was talking about the installer as well.

  283. “I definitely said that it was on the installer. But you were right that it didn’t say more details. There is a read me, a summary and some other stuff. All the things on my mac are up to date. I will have to install it on my mothers PC and take a screenshot. But if you google “iTunes installer” there are several shots of the installer specifying what programs are being installed.”

    I did this already but my post never came up so let me try again.
    ht tp : // tinypic,com/r/opw6fn/5

    ht tp : // tinypic,com/r/6z5u2h/5

    “What? Because my experience with Androids hasn’t been that they’re magical and ‘open sourced?””
    Yes because you had one bad time with something and because of that you say that is forever bad. But yet you pardon Apple when they ‘fix’ their bugs and errors, but not another company? Once you have a bad experience with anyone other then Apple, you stray away from them forever, that’s how you think?

    I never had a bad experience, with any of my non-Apple products. Well that’s not entirely true there was one time my PC crashed but I knew exactly why it crashed, and it was my fault. Because I did something wrong.

    So based on my personal experience, professional experience, and the research I’ve done. over 80% of the time computers crash because of user errors. 17% of the time are due to hardware failure, and 3% of the time it actually is the OS.

    In other words, you most likely fucked up. And are blaming it on the manufacture. People rarely admit their mistakes, and always try to pin the fault on someone or something other then themselves. I do it too.

    “apple sells overpriced computers. Fact.
    -Computers, thats subjective. Overpriced hardware? yes.”

    It is not subjective, and Apple does not sell hardware, only computers. So if their hardware is over priced then that makes their computers overpriced as well.

  284. “I definitely said that it was on the installer. But you were right that it didn’t say more details. There is a read me, a summary and some other stuff. All the things on my mac are up to date. I will have to install it on my mothers PC and take a screenshot. But if you google “iTunes installer” there are several shots of the installer specifying what programs are being installed.”

    I did this already but my post never came up so let me try again. http://tinypic,com/r/opw6fn/5

    http://tinypic,com/r/6z5u2h/5

    “What? Because my experience with Androids hasn’t been that they’re magical and ‘open sourced?””
    Yes because you had one bad time with something and because of that you say that is forever bad. But yet you pardon Apple when they ‘fix’ their bugs and errors, but not another company? Once you have a bad experience with anyone other then Apple, you stray away from them forever, that’s how you think?

    I never had a bad experience, with any of my non-Apple products. Well that’s not entirely true there was one time my PC crashed but I knew exactly why it crashed, and it was my fault. Because I did something wrong.

    So based on my personal experience, professional experience, and the research I’ve done. over 80% of the time computers crash because of user errors. 17% of the time are due to hardware failure, and 3% of the time it actually is the OS.

    In other words, you most likely fucked up. And are blaming it on the manufacture. People rarely admit their mistakes, and always try to pin the fault on someone or something other then themselves. I do it too.

    “apple sells overpriced computers. Fact.
    -Computers, thats subjective. Overpriced hardware? yes.”

    It is not subjective, and Apple does not sell hardware, only computers. So if their hardware is over priced then that makes their computers overpriced as well.

  285. “I think that people who can’t login to a bank account on any system are probably bound for failure.”
    “No, it doesn’t. Someone who is bound for failure and HAS a successful business doesn’t sound like a failure to me.”
    See that disproves your point. You said it yourself.
    -If someone is running a business how can they not know how to access a bank account?
    “I know, it STILL applies, when you update iTunes it deletes the old copy and the same installer that installs on virg*n iTunes computers pops up. You click ‘more details’ when it says ‘are you sure you want to install this?’”
    There is no ‘More Details’ option.
    The only options are ‘Add iTunes shortcut to my desktop’ Use iTunes as the default player for audio files” and ‘Automatically update iTunes and other Apple software’
    You can keep pointlessly arguing this all you want, I am not blurting out false information. A fact is a fact and no amount of argument will change that.
    – I definitely said that it was on the installer. But you were right that it didn’t say more details. There is a read me, a summary and some other stuff. All the things on my mac are up to date. I will have to install it on my mothers PC and take a screenshot. But if you google “iTunes installer” there are several shots of the installer specifying what programs are being installed.
    “A jailbroken iPhone> any Android phone IMO.”
    My droid is just fine I don’t need to do anything for it to be good, because it is already good.
    -you like your droid that’s totally fine.
    The rest was arrogant nonsense so I wont even bother commenting on it.
    -What? Because my experience with Androids hasn’t been that they’re magical and ‘open sourced?”

    The problem with WOW is he’s giving opinions and not fact
    -The problem with Steve is he is selective with his quotes. Fact.
    He likes iphone and not Droid. Opinion.
    -His droid was buggy. Fact. And it crashed multiple times due to the OTA updates. Fact. (or verizon lied). His iPhone has yet to crash. Fact.
    apple sells overpriced computers. Fact.
    -Computers, thats subjective. Overpriced hardware? yes.
    My customers complain a lot about hardware not being compatible with mac. Fact.
    -Again, could you please provide some numbers and/or percentages.

  286. “The people of the world don’t care about truth or lies. People only believe in what they want to believe in. If people are willing to believe, lies will become truth and in turn truth become lies. It is easy to make people believe.”

  287. @RAWR. The problem with WOW is he’s giving opinions and not fact.

    He likes iphone and not Droid. Opinion.

    apple sells overpriced computers. Fact.

    My customers complain a lot about hardware not being compatible with mac. Fact.

  288. Before iTunes: http://tinypic.com/r/33blojt/5
    Before iTunes 2: http://tinypic.com/r/vz77yr/5
    Installing iTunes: http://tinypic.com/r/14wyib4/5
    Installing iTunes 2: http://tinypic.com/r/aeqe7d/5
    Installing iTunes 3: http://tinypic.com/r/20tge80/5
    After iTunes:http://tinypic.com/r/2h33o6v/5
    After iTunes 2: http://tinypic.com/r/az6zyo/5

    I never asked for Apple Application support, Apple mobile Device Support, or what ever Bonjour is. Nor was I informed of them being installed.

  289. “I think that people who can’t login to a bank account on any system are probably bound for failure.”

    “No, it doesn’t. Someone who is bound for failure and HAS a successful business doesn’t sound like a failure to me.”

    See that disproves your point. You said it yourself.

    “I know, it STILL applies, when you update iTunes it deletes the old copy and the same installer that installs on virg*n iTunes computers pops up. You click ‘more details’ when it says ‘are you sure you want to install this?’”

    There is no ‘More Details’ option.
    The only options are ‘Add iTunes shortcut to my desktop’ Use iTunes as the default player for audio files” and ‘Automatically update iTunes and other Apple software’

    You can keep pointlessly arguing this all you want, I am not blurting out false information. A fact is a fact and no amount of argument will change that.

    “A jailbroken iPhone> any Android phone IMO.”
    My droid is just fine I don’t need to do anything for it to be good, because it is already good.

    The rest was arrogant nonsense so I wont even bother commenting on it.

  290. “I’ve had iTunes on my various computers for the past 5 years, and every time an update came up it told me what it was installing. Yes, it’s a bit convoluted that you have to click “more details” but it IS there. MS has done similar things with their OS updates, but Apple is the main offender.”
    When did I ever say anything about updates? I was talking about INSTALLING iTunes not updating.
    -I know, it STILL applies, when you update iTunes it deletes the old copy and the same installer that installs on virgin iTunes computers pops up. You click ‘more details’ when it says ‘are you sure you want to install this?’
    “So, someone bound for failure had a successful business and that disproves my point?”
    Not had, has. Didn’t mean to use the past tense of sustain my mistake. And yes that disproves your point.
    -No, it doesn’t. Someone who is bound for failure and HAS a successful business doesn’t sound like a failure to me.
    “You were saying that iPhones HAVE to be updated from a computer. “I just installed iTunes on my comp to update a friends iPhone. Don’t see why I would need I tunes to do that. Don’t need anything but my Droid to update my Droid…” As for the hidden sh*t, well, I won’t make any excuses for the visibility of notification, but it does tell you.”
    And it does have to be connected to iTunes to be updated. If what you say is true before iOS 5 you HAVE to update your iPhone through iTunes(My friend had 4.1 before I updated it.)You agreed with me in the same post and now your saying that….. And again I’m talking about the install of iTunes not updating iTunes.
    -yep install. Same window pops up.
    Also, do you know why my friend wanted to update his iPhone? Because he couldn’t delete one contact or call history at a time. Thats just sad. Yes they fixed it in a update. But most of the Mac users on this board claim that Apple is really good at the little things and always get everything right the first time.
    -the contacts app is poor with deleting contacts, but Cleanup does it wonderfully.
    My uncle had a iPhone for almost two years till it broke last month. And he got a Droid to replace it. He says it can do so much more then his iPhone did its faster then his iPhone was. He also said the touch screen is more responsive and smooth, while his iPhone sometimes didn’t respond to his touches and moves like it was stuck in mud. And he found out he could get an app that lets him turn his droid into a fully functioning iPhone. But with the performance of his Droid.
    -Had a droid 2 then iPhone 4, the droid was buggy, unresponsive, and generally garbage to use. a jailbroken iPhone> any Android phone IMO. And don’t harangue me about 4G, it’s still being put together. A 4G phone would be useless as a 4G phone for me. I don’t live in SoCal or New York or any major metropolitan hub.
    Before you say anything. No, Apple didn’t make the program. I’m sure they are bothered by the fact that someone did that, but its a free program, and it falls under fair use in copyright laws.
    -The “fully functional iPhone app” is laughable. My buddy had that on his Droid 3. Yes ICS does have “more” features than iOS5 so until iOS6 comes out, I’m not going to consider an Android phone. In my experience Android phones are buggy, ugly, bogged down and fragmented. There is nothing appealing to me about them. And their ‘better library’ of apps consists of porn and programs written by 5 year olds.

  291. Perfect article. All true. Anyone who has worked in IT for over 10 years knows Apple fanboys and fanboys in general for the airheads they are.

    Apple stuff is overpriced and marketed to narcissists. They need a physical token of their ‘elite’ status and of course in their rather narrow mindspace it has to be expensive. Thus Apple is better. As technology it is mostly harmless, sometimes poor, sometimes average but always overpriced and marketed to idiots who suck it up. When I see someone waving around an Apple product for no real reaon in a public place I see an idiot.

  292. @DONDIEGO

    Nice story brah. Tell me another.

  293. “I’ve had iTunes on my various computers for the past 5 years, and every time an update came up it told me what it was installing. Yes, it’s a bit convoluted that you have to click “more details” but it IS there. MS has done similar things with their OS updates, but Apple is the main offender.”

    When did I ever say anything about updates? I was talking about INSTALLING iTunes not updating.

    “So, someone bound for failure had a successful business and that disproves my point?”
    Not had, has. Didn’t mean to use the past tense of sustain my mistake. And yes that disproves your point.

    “You were saying that iPhones HAVE to be updated from a computer. “I just installed iTunes on my comp to update a friends iPhone. Don’t see why I would need I tunes to do that. Don’t need anything but my Droid to update my Droid…” As for the hidden shit, well, I won’t make any excuses for the visibility of notification, but it does tell you.”

    And it does have to be connected to iTunes to be updated. If what you say is true before iOS 5 you HAVE to update your iPhone through iTunes(My friend had 4.1 before I updated it.)You agreed with me in the same post and now your saying that….. And again I’m talking about the install of iTunes not updating iTunes.

    Also, do you know why my friend wanted to update his iPhone? Because he couldn’t delete one contact or call history at a time. Thats just sad. Yes they fixed it in a update. But most of the Mac users on this board claim that Apple is really good at the little things and always get everything right the first time.

    My uncle had a iPhone for almost two years till it broke last month. And he got a Droid to replace it. He says it can do so much more then his iPhone did its faster then his iPhone was. He also said the touch screen is more responsive and smooth, while his iPhone sometimes didn’t respond to his touches and moves like it was stuck in mud. And he found out he could get an app that lets him turn his droid into a fully functioning iPhone. But with the performance of his Droid.

    Before you say anything. No, Apple didn’t make the program. I’m sure they are bothered by the fact that someone did that, but its a free program, and it falls under fair use in copyright laws.

  294. Hmm Ive been reading a lot of this and it seems like the PC people are the ones trying to shove their views down everyones throats. I built my own desktop, Asus motherboard, i7 extreme, nvidia quaddro (i think that’s how it’s spelt) and 16GB of RAM. My laptop? A MacBook Pro, why do people buy Macs? Because they like them, is that really so hard to understand? I was reading the car comparisons above, and they’re fairly good. You can buy an Aston Martin or a Corvette, the vette is upgradeable, cheaper, more powerful, more fuel efficient and terrible to drive compared to an aston. Believe me, Ive driven V8 vantages and vettes. You have to go to an Aston dealer to buy one, the Aston serviceman to have it maintained and it’s got lower specs vs a Z06 or what have you, AND it costs on average 40K more.
    Its the same story, you can build a PC desktop with brain melting specs for the same price as a spec’d iMac or MBP etc. But it’s still not the same. Now I also noticed that people were saying something like “all computer parts are the same, they’re all made in China” – its true they’re made in China, but thats just stupid. Ferraris and Fiats are both made in italy. Lexus cars and Toyotas are both made in Japan. Are they the same? No, quality control makes a difference, don’t be an idiot.

    So I guess I could’ve cut all of that out and said, I paid more for my Mac because I like it. Suck it. Oh, and don’t bother with ‘OS X isn’t compatible with anything’ thats bullshit, its 2012 Apple support is skyrocketing. Get over yourselves.

  295. “iTunes lets you know if it’s installing programs on your computer, click on more details when an update comes up.”
    It does not I just installed it yesterday it never told me it about any of the programs it installed on my computer other then iTunes it’s self.
    -I’ve had iTunes on my various computers for the past 5 years, and every time an update came up it told me what it was installing. Yes, it’s a bit convoluted that you have to click “more details” but it IS there. MS has done similar things with their OS updates, but Apple is the main offender.
    ” And I don’t need iTunes to update my iPhone, it’s running iOS5 which has OTA updates.”
    Yes but I did need iTunes to update TO iOS 5′
    -Correct
    “Especially windows 7 which is pretty much a copy of the tiger interface.”
    Haha sure it is keep telling your self that.
    – It’s in plain sight.
    “And you proved my point in your first post “The person who is “bound for failure” Started and sustained his business for over 20 years.””
    What point? The one where people who don’t know how to use computers cnat become successful in this world? Thats the point I was trying to dissprove with my comment.
    -So, someone bound for failure had a successful business and that disproves my point?
    “I know plenty of people who have used macs forever, they have no problem with windows.”
    Did you not read my post? I said take someone who HAS NEVER USED WINDOWS. But is a “Mac Pro” He/She wont know what they are doing. Mac is a horrible platform for anyone trying to be a dev of any kind. But if you do it the other way around, (Windows User on a Mac for the first time.) Im sure in a few minutes they will get used to it. Depending on the knowledge of the user of course.
    -That’s exactly what I said. People I know who have used macs FOREVER (as in nicht windows) adapted to Windows with flying colors. Some people are stupid in the tech sector some aren’t. You can probably tell Im a Social Darwinist.
    “So who is the one who is spouting opinions?”
    Opinion? What that iTunes installed software on my computer without my permission? Or that I had to use iTunes to upgrade my friends iPhone? In what way are those opinions? Those are events that happened yesterday around seven O’ clock.
    – You were saying that iPhones HAVE to be updated from a computer. “I just installed iTunes on my comp to update a friends iPhone. Don’t see why I would need I tunes to do that. Don’t need anything but my Droid to update my Droid…” As for the hidden shit, well, I won’t make any excuses for the visibility of notification, but it does tell you.

    Steve- It’s funny how much REAL experience I have with isheep and they prove to me every day how ignorant they are. You can’t convince me of anything, WOW. I see it far too much for me to change. Like I said many weeks ago .. apple users return more computer hardware than anyone else. “oh, it doesn’t work with my mac.” I’m so sick of hearing that.
    -I don’t know your business personally, so I really can’t speak to that. Can you provide some percentages or numbers? Because the majority of Mac user that get peripherals which “don’t work,” didn’t install the drivers from the manufacturer’s site.
    Also, I know PC users who don’t know how to change their background pictures and they think IE is THE internet. So what does that prove? Absolutely nothing, well it proves that people are idiots but daily life tells me that.

  296. Me too, Steve.
    They just don’t work. I had an hard time trying to get Dolby Media Producer (the only TrueHD encoding suite available, ONLY for Mac…..f**k Dolby, why releasing it only for the effing Mac??) working with my M-Audio Firewire device.
    The crappy OS X CoreAudio allows only certain 5.1/7.1 devices to work as they should. And, even with the crap Mini-DP to HDMI, you can’t even bitstream TrueHD/DTS-HD to an A/V Receiver (thanks to Apple, for not supporting Lossless Audio Codecs nor M2TS/H.264 decoding correctly).
    No wonder why even certain “Pro” audio engineers are getting fed up with Apple, too.
    The expensiveness of the platform, the overall lack of industry’s standard technologies and a good support service (yes, you have to pay, even for receiving support for Final Cut Pro), makes the Mac platform an expensive that doesn’t offer anything…..in terms of work.
    Oh well….It’s rumored that the next line of Macbook Pro’s will be the same as the effing Macbook Air. No more DVD-R’s units, no more large capacity HDD’s, etc….so.
    They will be only good for cutting slices of bread……
    Apple is getting near to its end…….

  297. It’s funny how much REAL experience I have with isheep and they prove to me every day how ignorant they are. You can’t convince me of anything, WOW. I see it far too much for me to change. Like I said many weeks ago .. apple users return more computer hardware than anyone else. “oh, it doesn’t work with my mac.” I’m so sick of hearing that.

  298. @RAWR. My friend is an isheep and doesn’t even know how to throw open the web browser. No lies.

  299. @WOW

    Yes you are throwing around ignorance. The fact you are defending Apple means you don’t know shit about comps, OR Apple.

  300. “iTunes lets you know if it’s installing programs on your computer, click on more details when an update comes up.”

    It does not I just installed it yesterday it never told me it about any of the programs it installed on my computer other then iTunes it’s self.

    ” And I don’t need iTunes to update my iPhone, it’s running iOS5 which has OTA updates.”

    Yes but I did need iTunes to update TO iOS 5

    “Especially windows 7 which is pretty much a copy of the tiger interface.”

    Haha sure it is keep telling your self that.

    “And you proved my point in your first post “The person who is “bound for failure” Started and sustained his business for over 20 years.””

    What point? The one where people who don’t know how to use computers cnat become successful in this world? Thats the point I was trying to dissprove with my comment.

    “I know plenty of people who have used macs forever, they have no problem with windows.”

    Did you not read my post? I said take someone who HAS NEVER USED WINDOWS. But is a “Mac Pro” He/She wont know what they are doing. Mac is a horrible platform for anyone trying to be a dev of any kind. But if you do it the other way around, (Windows User on a Mac for the first time.) Im sure in a few minutes they will get used to it. Depending on the knowledge of the user of course.

    “So who is the one who is spouting opinions?”

    Opinion? What that iTunes installed software on my computer without my permission? Or that I had to use iTunes to upgrade my friends iPhone? In what way are those opinions? Those are events that happened yesterday around seven O’ clock.

  301. iTunes lets you know if it’s installing programs on your computer, click on more details when an update comes up. And I don’t need iTunes to update my iPhone, it’s running iOS5 which has OTA updates. No computer is needed at all. So who is the one who is spouting opinions? No I’m not throwing around ignorance because that would require a lack of knowledge. And you proved my point in your first post “The person who is “bound for failure” Started and sustained his business for over 20 years.” Exactly. I know plenty of people who have used macs forever, they have no problem with windows. Especially windows 7 which is pretty much a copy of the tiger interface.

  302. Tell a “Mac Pro” Who has never used windows to use windows. He/She will probably have no idea what He/She is doing.

    Your logic isn’t even logic, it’s what you tell your self are facts but are nothing but your opinion. Also known as Conjecture or Ignorance.

  303. I just installed iTunes on my comp to update a friends iPhone. Don’t see why I would need I tunes to do that. Don’t need anything but my Droid to update my Droid. And I just love the six hidden programs Apple installed into my computer (along with iTunes.) that have nothing to do with iTunes and they didn’t even let me know they installed them. So awesome!!

  304. Well you just know everything don’t you? My logic is not flawed you are just closed minded. The person who is “bound for failure” Started and sustained his business for over 20 years.

  305. I think that people who can’t login to a bank account on any system are probably bound for failure. And if you are switching systems and can’t figure the other one out then you probably couldn’t figure the former system out either. Those kinds of people aren’t good with technology either way you slice it and probably aren’t looking for a job in IT. Also, if you’re working on a cash register they teach you how to use it before you go into work. Your logic is flawed. It really doesn’t matter what you learned on.
    @Rawr- no he is saying if people learn on macs then they’re destined for failure. “It’s idiots like you who put Macs in our schools to better prepare our children for failure.”

  306. Even a lot of cash registers are Windows based. The hardware store I worked at as a kid was Windows 2000.

  307. @Ww

    Your an idiot.

    He’s saying if you worked on nothing but one system for most of your life then you will be at a disadvantage when you switch over to another.

    Al tho it is easy to learn rather system, I know some people who act like logging into a bank account and printing the transaction log is rocket science.

    No matter how easy something is there will always be someone who just cant figure it out.

  308. @Steve *siemens
    @Scruffy- that’s complete bullshit. I learned on Macs at my elementary school, then I went to a private school from 5th grade onward where we were expected to use PCs. Its no big deal, most companies who require the use of a computer don’t expect you to do c++. Otherwise you’d probably have a degree in IT or CIS etc. and be looking for a job in that field. You’re making baseless jumps in reasoning. If you use a mac you can figure out windows and vice versa. My friend went to a day school near where I live, they only used macs, he is making 100K a year. That’s not what I would call ‘failure,’ face it, the only thing you need to know on windows for the majority of jobs is program launching and file management. Which would take all of 5 minutes to learn. You may possibly need to know how to use citrus but that is web based and offers a tutorial, it’s not OS specific either (hence, web based).
    Also, the main reason that your logic is laughable is that most companies don’t care whether you use a mac or PC. A lot of my buddies bring their own Macs to work, if you can get your shit done then companies don’t care. When have you ever put ‘oh, I don’t use a mac’ on your resumé? You don’t, because they don’t care about that, you put your skill set, experience etc..

  309. @SCRUFFY. I completely agree. My friend’s dad is an isheep and he HAS to use a Windows PC at his work. He works for Semens. If you want to teach your kids about computers you give them a PC. Not a mac.

  310. @WOW: Just the fact that you even ask that, shows how blind to the truth you are.

    I’m going to try to explain it like I would to a four-year-old…so please pay close attention.

    Our kids go to school to learn but are, instead, “educated” (I use the term loosely) on a computer system that less than 10% of the market actually utilizes; however, if the schools used the platform that over 80% of the market uses, they’d actually be getting what we call “real-world knowledge” and skills to be better prepared to enter the working world.

    Think of it this way: For every Mac in the world, there are roughly eight computers running MS. If I’m proficient in only Mac, how likely am I to find a job using a Mac instead of a Windows PC? 1 chance in 8.

    I simply can’t make it anymore simple than that.

  311. @scruffynerfherder No, good sir, you are the narrow-minded one. How does knowing how to use a different platform translate into failure? You’ve given insults and ‘myopic’ opinions, yet I haven’t seen any reasons or logic. Undoubtedly I am in law, so your assumptions have indeed led you astray. Perhaps you really are a scruffy nerd herder. Maybe you should head back to Tatooine.

    @Really, the iPhone has all of those things you said it didn’t. Haven’t you heard of iOS5? Well, it is “locked down” but Android really doesn’t have anything worth switching for. And for those who say “ICS has this, ICS has that” you should realize that iOS5 is almost a year old, just wait. And if iOS6 doesn’t solve any qualms, then you can whine. Except perhaps system crashes. I get OTA updates, and I didn’t have to authorize it to my mac. I did sync it do my computer, but I didn’t have to. And yes, it amazes me that this thread has been going for 3 years.

  312. Wow, just reading JJs comments are a joke and makes his comments on anything mean nothing at all. I have yet to use a Mac, I am just researching them some. Why? Because Windows STINKS. I have had it with the endless problems, viruses, spyware, freezes, etc. I am sick and tired of reloading my entire OS 3-4 times a year in a desperate attempt to get the “proper” operation that happens when the OS is brand new.

    I am far from “tech dumb” and have tried everything to tweak Windows into performing consistently, everything fails. There are several things I can se I will dislike of Mac, but I am at wits end dealing with MS crap. The days of my life I have spent in front of non responding programs waiting for stupid Windows to close- NOT find a solution- just CLOSE the stupid thing. I cannot count how many times I have just killed poer on a PC just to END programs, which makes Winodws perform even worse.

    Will a Mac be any better? Well it sure cannot be effen worse than Windows GARBAGE. But JJ your entire article and your arrogance are pathetic. i read many thoughtful and detailed responses countering what you said, and you respond with fanboy. What a child you are.

  313. @REALLY: Hallelujah, Brother!! iTunes absolutely sucks.

    I can understand that they’re trying to at least curtail music piracy with their little iTunes and iTunes Store, but you’re punishing honest people, several times over, for the misdeeds of others. The designfunctionality of the software alone is the embodiment of several levels of Hell (allusion to Dante) and, as if that weren’t bad enough, the music is in a format that only the i[Insert Latest Crappy Hardware Iteration Here] can actually ready and play. Never mind that .mp3 is an industry standard for portable music. God, no! Just make your own crappy, locked-down format that can only be played on your computer and only your iDevice. At least .itl file lets you have some cross-machine library storage but, even then, it’s still extremely limited. If I have a super-slick (non-DRM) .mps that I want to share with a friend, I can – REGARDLESS OF WHAT PLATFORM, OR MACHINE, HE’S RUNNING!! Jeez, Apple! Wake-up!

    But even then, it never ceased to amaze me how, for DECADES, Steve Jobs kept trying to stick it to “the Man,” all the while he, himself, was ever endeavoring to become the very institution he fought against so desperately. Locking intelligent people out of using their machines for tasks and functions that are “the norm,” world-over, is simply system censorship. If my computer can do XYZ, then don’t limit it, or me, to just X. But, then again, I guess that’s what Mac does, cater to those whose intelligence, creativity and imagination is too limited to even notice the difference let alone “Think Different” when the machines they’re on are cookie-cutter boxes to begin with.

  314. Interesting to see that this article just over two years old and still going strong.

    While the author did descend into a rant and spouted some things that were false, he pointed out a lot of truths. Personally, I hate being caged and told what to do and how to do it. To me, using the Mac is like that. Apple has always been about control and it just as strong as ever. Heck, to even make your iPhone comparable to other phone OS’s, you have to void your warranty because they lock everything down.

    That being said, I have over the years met the type of customer who the Mac is made for. It’s for the person who does not understand technology very well and who doesn’t like fiddling with their machine to get the most out of it. If I had to do it all over again, I would have gotten a Mac for my mom because she is the type of person who asks me what’s a USB stick (2x a year!). Love her to death, but technology is not her passion and nor should it be. Overpriced for sure and what you are paying for is the image. Plain and simple. You can configure your PC to have the look/feel of a Mac but then you couldn’t brag about it. I’ve seen that time and time again amongst the younger generation. I’m sure there are some mavericks on the Mac but if you have to jump through extra hoops so you can have the flexibility of a PC but pay 4x the amount, what’s the point?

    And one more thing… I found this site by typing in “I hate iTunes”. I think it is one of the most bloated and poorly designed pieces of software I have ever seen. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible.

    And for that reason alone, I left the iPhone world. It’s 2012 and you have to connect to a computer to authorize your phone? Also, did Apple never hear of Over the air updates?? They have lost their edge but most of the Apple faithful do not know because they have their fingers in their ears and their blindfolds on.

    A more ignorant and arrogant fanbase I have never met.

  315. @Wow: Dear God…you are so myopic. It’s because of people like you, I’ve come to the conclusion that Mac stands for Myopic Asshole at a Console. It’s idiots like you who put Macs in our schools to better prepare our children for failure. Undoubtedly, you are either in management or politics.

  316. @Pfft- where did you find that.
    @rawr: I really don’t know how many times I’m going to say this: I’ve said repeatedly that macs aren’t a good hardware value. And yes, the M18x is less overpriced than their other offerings. But you are ONLY paying for hardware with Alienware laptops. With macs you have software as well.

    @scruffy yes, because knowing how to use a mac will guarantee that they will fail at life. I think you’re the ignorant one here.
    @JimtheJoe: Subjectively I think Mac’s are better than PC’s. How does that make me ignorant? Why would I want to work on a system all day that I don’t like? Also, I will have you know that I am not a cat! :)

  317. I don’t know what happened to Dream3421’s post but I’d like to re-post it and reply.

    Dream3421 wrote:
    “Obviously written by a person that has not used a Mac.

    The entire printing industry of the free world is Mac based and always will be. Hey collegetimes, have another beer, you’re an idiot.”

    My reply: Just because a large number of people decided to join Joanstown, and then indulge in cyanide-laced Kook-Aid, didn’t mean it was a good idea. So what, if the “entire printing industry” uses Mac. Other than the fact that they were sold an UNGODLY amount of snake oil, as a whole, I guess it just shows us how myopic they actually are.

    Another case in point: Our entire (local county) school system uses Mac. Somehow, someway, some sadistically opinionated and idiotic person, or panel of persons, decided to take a computerOS that had a very, VERY small market share, and use it as a learning “tool” for our kids. “Way to go, Idaho!” Now, not only are you teaching our kids to use a computer system that has, what? A whopping 5, maybe 10% of the market share?! While Microsoft has over 85%!! And MS has had the lion’s share of the market for well over 10 years! Heaven forbid you give our kids experience and knowledge on a system that 85% of the market actually uses, to better insure they can actually find a job. Their education already sucks! Why not sweeten the pot by giving them no true computer skills, too?!

    If you, sirmadam, wish to use a Mac, fine…groovy! Knock yourself out. You’re obviously already partially brain-dead, anyway. But don’t force your narrow-minded, myopia on me or our children. The world is effed up enough already without misguiding more of our youth and then sending them out into said world with a completely useless skillset. The next thing you know, you’ll want them all to get an MBA so they can augment their Mac “knowledge” and guarantee them a truly fruitless future.

  318. Obviously written by a person that has not used a Mac.

    The entire printing industry of the free world is Mac based and always will be. Hey collegetimes, have another beer, you’re an idiot.

  319. Alienware profit margin 5.81%

    Sony Vaio profit margin 5.4%

  320. I like how Mac users try to defy logic by saying Mac’s aren’t objectively better then PC’s but at the same time they are better or equal to PC’s.
    This isn’t Schrödinger’s Box

    Mac users only argue from their point of view, from their opinion only.

    You know what kind of person do that? Ignorant people who only believe in their opinion, even if you shove facts in their face….

  321. “You are aware that the iPad doesn’t reflect Apple’s total profit margin”
    Yes, but it helps prove my point that Apple has an extremely high markup on their products. I know they are different products. But it’s the same company. If they overprice one item its more then likely they will have their other products overpriced.

  322. wow, i am wasting saliva talking to you, you really think apple profit margin these days are from its traditional desktop/laptop. ios like ipad or iphones or similar device with pretty much similar parts, cost and markup are majority of its profits (infact 2/3 of it) these days.

    check global stats you will see traditional mac os swimming on the internet is a just paltry 7%. based on current rate of growth, it will rougly attained 10-15% in 15 years time (roughly draw a projected line on the chart). so stop BS all the people. we are busy living in the real world.

    you seriously think apple, in its so short years of taking off since the blue bondi mac launch, managed to amass so much cash reserves, with its 7% market share, had they charged the same low profit margin of what traditional vendors in the real world charges??? obviously not, they managed it because that dumb 7% is so readily handing them cash for something not worth that much.

    http://9to5mac.com/2011/01/18/ios-devices-now-account-for-about-two-thirds-of-apples-revenue/

    http://gs.statcounter.com/

  323. Alienware M18x

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    $2,500

    You talk about Alienware like they are pointlessly expensive. Go to Alienwares’ site and what do you see? Gaming Laptops and Gaming Desktops. Alienware is for the hardcore gamer. Not the web browser.

    Also note that I listed Apples most expensive MBP and Alienwares cheepist M18x laptop.

  324. You are aware that the iPad doesn’t reflect Apple’s total profit margin right Steve and Semen? Also we were talking about Macs, way to change the subject. Steve is the definition of ‘belligerent’ also ‘thick skulled.’ I suppose I could be more creative, but why waste the time?

  325. Wonder how this article survived after 3 years…

    Okay, using a Mac or not is primarily based on preference. One that I don’t get is as if that some Mac users felt as if their pride gets trimmed and shot down, when some of the reasons are simply excuses.

    Reasons worth noting :
    1) Less customizable. As an option, being able to customize my machine is going to come in handy. The good part as having more customizable machine is, if one part broke down, I can find replacements from other dealers (or the same brand, if I insist) from a wider selection.
    There’s nothing wrong if one likes his machine to be tamper-proof either.

    2) Higher price for vaguely equal value. Your wallet is the voter. You can choose either to buy a Mac that you believed to be superior, or be as reasonable to choose other option available to you. Either way is right, remember that your wallet is the voter. I’d prefer something that will hit me less on the green leaves, though.

    Excuses :
    1) No right click. As you get used to something, it won’t matter much. Though certain instances will be much smooth with a right click.

    I don’t think I’ve done enough research about compatibility on Macs, and software numbers, though. So I’ll leave it there.

    And about stealing ideas… crap reason and excuse. Truly original concepts are rare to come by. Look, there has to be more than just one people (or companies) coming up with an idea, and there are more of those that improvised and already existing idea! And there are always someone who will prevail at the end.

    So let’s just cut some slack, will we? ;)

  326. Wondering why this article still lives for 3 years… meh.

    High cost is a good reason, and my wallet’s the one voting, and the vote goes to to other options.

    Hey, like or not like Macs, I don’t care to spend energy ranting at what I don’t really like. Mac, never tried one before, maybe I’ll check on ’em if one of my colleagues have ’em.

    Oh yeah, just don’t vehemently cling on to the pride of a Mac owner (or Linux/Windows owner) as a license to lower down other brand products (even unintentionally, you may subliminally run down others). That attitude is simply rude and not helping anyone on the other boat.

    Competition breeds excellence, but smear tactics are just plain lame sometimes. But hey, it’s worth reading something less critical.

  327. WOW is the definition of blind.

  328. Best article ever!!

  329. http://www.cultofmac.com/28746/apples-ipad-only-costs-270-to-make-says-analyst/

    at that time of article , $499 ipad cost only $270 to make. so much 23 % . yeah, bs.

    acer 10″ tablet a500 is about $340. atleast in pc and android world, there are choices in both price range from so many other makers.

    hey if you wanna pay for brand names like apple, sony,… be my guest. but dont lumped in alienware, for the price, you are atleast paying for better gpu.

  330. Hahaha, you crack me up. (the 97B came from gizmaestro, tech-beats, tuaw, and intomobile). Microsoft can’t even make a motion-sensor without stealing http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20082248-75/microsoft-sued-over-kinect-for-patent-infringement/ see what I did there? (senseless accusations) You’re seriously mentally challenged if you think Apples hardware is cheap. Also, have you read legal documents? I agree that they should have gone over the details more stringently and that this was a senseless mistake, but unless you have a law degree then you have no business criticizing the intelligence of Apples lawyers over said dispute.
    Secondly, you have no idea what Apple would use in their video game console, which again proves my point that you’re just a baby. You’re clutching for straws with your complaints about Apple. The only real critique that you’ve leveraged against them is the fact that their products aren’t a good hardware value.

    PFFT
    I agree with RAWR! you guys use marginal cost as an excuse.
    If Apple has high prices because they have a smaller market then why does Alienware and SONY who have larger markets price their laptops at about the same(if not more) as Mac’s. And they have a lower Profit Margin then Apple.
    So what the hell are you guys talking about? Less = More and More = More?
    -Where have you found the VAIO and Alienware profit margins? Ive been searching, it seems to me that Alienwares are more overpriced than Macs and Apple has R&D which is an added expense unlike Alienware. Im not sure about the VAIOs, from what Ive found Sony VAIOs sell more than Macs. So I will have to look over this more thoroughly before I respond in depth.

  331. apple has $97b (according to you) saved. Makes sense to me. They put cheap hardware into their products and charge the consumers twice or even three times what they should. Microsoft at least puts way more effort into their products. If apple made a video game console it would have a Pentium 4 processor in it and cost $600.00. What a joke.

  332. @WOW. apple bought the name for use in the USA. apple is so stupid they didn’t realize they couldn’t use it in China. apple is a useless company. Don’t they have people to check the fine print? Thats my point about posting the link. They have retards running the company and retards buying their products. Typical.

  333. I agree with RAWR! you guys use marginal cost as an excuse.
    If Apple has high prices because they have a smaller market then why does Alienware and SONY who have larger markets price their laptops at about the same(if not more) as Mac’s. And they have a lower Profit Margin then Apple.
    So what the hell are you guys talking about? Less = More and More = More?

  334. You also ‘forgot’ to mention that Apple bought the name from Proview, but Proview is arguing semantics.

  335. Your point is Steve? Unlike MS (and the US government), Apple actually has money saved. Over $97 billion to be exact. You’re just being a baby.

  336. Apple Might Lose A $1.6 Billion Lawsuit For Using The Word ‘iPad’

    http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-ipad-lawsuit-2012-2

    Haha too bad apple.

  337. @A. I use Sony Vegas and Adobe Premiere a lot on my PC without any issues. I don’t get all these apple retards with all these so-called issues with their PCs. If you have that many problems with your PC you deserve a mac. Since they lock down their OS so much it’s a perfect fit for retards. A good friend of mine bought a mac for that very reason. He said yeah I know apple locks down their OS, but it keeps me from fucking around with my computer. For the rest of us who actually know how to use a computer we will stick with PC.

  338. “boo hoo, the only people who like macs are hipsters and elitists. thats why the best people by pcs.” – Nigh hypocritical bullshit.

  339. I can’t wait until they get a virus. Then I’ll LAUGH! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!

  340. Try being an audio engineer, video editor, or iPhone programmer on a PC or linux.
    I was converted for work reasons, but boy does it my mac feel so much nicer.
    And it works consistently.
    Unlike my PC unless i want to be constantly cleaning the thing and removing startup programs and crap.

    But yes, you have to be retarded to buy one if you dont edit audio or video video in sessions that you wish to exchange.

    Linux RULES for everything else. Not as stable (for me so far) or nice looking, but makes up for it big time with innovation and value.
    I actually am coming to terms with the new ubuntu- the workspaces (i know they are just like stacked windows with F9(F10?) in OSX) and dragging the window to the top to maximize it, and the software catalog make me happy. Especially for learning programming without having to dig around for software.

    The only thing that sucks about ubuntu is the sound when you turn it on….

  341. “You DID in fact pull the extra $500 out of nowhere as far as I can tell.”
    Another iSheep who doesn’t know how to do research. A fact is a fact wither or not you want to believe it. Apple has a $300-$500 mark up on most of there products.
    – Really now? How/where did you find this? You DO know that a company’s markup IS their profit right? And Apples profit margin is 23%. You don’t know how to do research.
    Mac’s are over priced. Nothing you say will change that.
    – Again, they’re a horrible value, but Apple isn’t trying to wallet rape you.
    “this is incorrect, because overpriced means that it is intentional, which is not the case.”
    Global average Mac Book is $1,500
    Global average Windows based PC is $700
    Seems to me you are the one who is making things up. How did you get $420 again? The 15″ MBP still doesn’t add up to your imaginary price.
    -I definitely said I was using the 15″ MacBook Pro for my example which starts at $1799 (over 1800 after taxes). If you used your $1500 then Apple would make $345.
    A markup is when a company adds money to a product for more profit after marginal cost and base profit has been calculated.
    – No, a markup is the added cost to the item after manufacturing costs. “Markup is the difference between the cost of a good or service and its selling price” thats from Wikipedia but I couldn’t have said it better myself. I can dig out an Econ or Business textbook if you’d like a more reputable source. Now Retail markup could be handled differently, but because there isn’t a middleman in between Apple and the customer, its nonexistent.

  342. I don’t care if apple made their computers by hand in their mommies basement. The fact is they are still overpriced.

  343. “You DID in fact pull the extra $500 out of nowhere as far as I can tell.”

    Another iSheep who doesn’t know how to do research. A fact is a fact wither or not you want to believe it. Apple has a $300-$500 mark up on most of there products.

    Mac’s are over priced. Nothing you say will change that.

    “this is incorrect, because overpriced means that it is intentional, which is not the case.”
    Global average Mac Book is $1,500
    Global average Windows based PC is $700

    Seems to me you are the one who is making things up. How did you get $420 again? The 15″ MBP still doesn’t add up to your imaginary price.

    A markup is when a company adds money to a product for more profit after marginal cost and base profit has been calculated.

  344. Alright settle down boys and girls. Heres what I want to know, Apple is the only company that manages their own hardware, operating system and software. Doing so has costs which were blatantly laid out for you in the above posts. So if I want said unified experience (and I do) then why do you get pissy when I choose to have that experience PC Zealots? Sure I have to do it Apples way, but no one else is stepping up to the plate, so quit bitching about that. I want a unified computing experience, and I think that should be considered ok. You all whine about variety with PCs and yet you contradict yourselves by wanting variety to decrease in OS’s. The only arrogant users I see trying to cram their views on others are the PCs users here. That may or may not be your intention but it’s how it appears.

    Macs aren’t a good value in terms of hardware, but there are many other variables that PC users don’t care about and don’t think are valid. I say Macs just aren’t comparable because there are so many other variables going into their creation. And again, why shouldn’t I have the option of a Mac? Why does that make you butthurt?

  345. @steve- hahaha thats ludicrously skewed, look up Foxconns numbers, their suicide rate is lower than a lot of American companies, as for the child labor- well I won’t make excuses for apple there but you should know that also applies to every other computer manufacturer whose parts are made by Foxconn.

    @Rawr: I meant the 15″ macbook pro which is their bread and butter. The 17″ macbook pro is $2500 * .23 = 575 thats what Apple makes. A markup is profit, a markup is the added cost after the cost of manufacturing. $2500 is the asking price, if Apples profit margin is 23% then $575 is what Apple makes, period. You DID in fact pull the extra $500 out of nowhere as far as I can tell.

  346. and its really good at running solitare

  347. Actually i work for IBM Internationally Bi Men and we all use mac computers because our boss likes the cute apple printed in rainbow color omg i want everyone to use MAC Micro Alter-ego Crisis because mac is so much better and it comes in colors that match my nails holla!!! XD lmfao

  348. @Fact: 94% of mac users are rapists and pedophiles. The reason why they are so expensive is because the keys transmit your finger prints to national databases. 86% of all mac components are manufactured by slaves in china who are only fed recalled white rice. It is said that aliens brought macs here to spy on their prey which they will abduct and ingest anally. Macs are evil

    Hilarious. From my understanding he’s mocking apple users who make up “facts”. apple users think because its the internet they can make up whatever they want and PC users will believe it. Sorry, we aren’t stupid.

  349. “Their profit margin (thats what they make in entirety) is 23% so off of the base MBP they make $420.”

    Even if your information is correct(which its not)You do know your numbers don’t add up right?
    base MBP = $1,200
    Your PM = 23%

    0.23 x 1,200 = 276

    Where did you get 420 from?

    When I said “their most expensive Mac Book pro is $2000”
    I was actually talking about their iMac. My mistake.

  350. “A profit margin IS their profit, you don’t just slap $500 on out of nowhere.”

    So I take it you don’t know what markup is. I didn’t slap on $500 from no ware, Apple did. That’s what markup is; when a company adds money just to get more profit.

  351. ^Now that, is quality trolling

  352. Fact: 94% of mac users are rapists and pedophiles. The reason why they are so expensive is because the keys transmit your finger prints to national databases. 86% of all mac components are manufactured by slaves in china who are only fed recalled white rice. It is said that aliens brought macs here to spy on their prey which they will abduct and ingest anally. Macs are evil

  353. @Semen- I’ve never complained about any of those. So no, my logic is fine, hows yours?
    @Rawr: Where did you home up with those numbers? A profit margin IS their profit, you don’t just slap $500 on out of nowhere. Their profit margin (thats what they make in entirety) is 23% so off of the base MBP they make $420.

    “Ill say this again. Just because there is an excuse why Mac’s are over priced, doesn’t make it OK or false. You can say all you want, but mac’s will still be overpriced.”- this is incorrect, because overpriced means that it is intentional, which is not the case. Marginal cost is not an “excuse” its a fact, Apple doesn’t make it happen its an economic law. The MacBook Pro you mention costs MORE than other manufacturers for Apple to make because they make less of them. Reduced production increases the price per unit, and the reason they make less of them is market share. There is no “markup” Apple makes $400 off of a MacBook Pro not $900.

  354. “I explained most of this. If you knew economics you would know (as has been posted 408305308 times) Apple’s pricing is marginal and developmental costs. Their profit on MacBook Pros is $400. So chill, they’re not a great value but Apple isn’t trying to price gouge you.”

    Is that before or after markup? Apple has a markup of $500 on their Macbook Pros. If you calculated marginal cost after markup then your information is wrong.

    Ill say this again. Just because there is an excuse why Mac’s are over priced, doesn’t make it OK or false. You can say all you want, but mac’s will still be overpriced.

    Lets do some simple math
    Apple’s markup is $500.
    their most expensive Mac Book pro is $2000
    Their Profit margin is about 28%

    0.28 x (2000-500)=420 So without the markup Apple makes $420 per Mac book pro sold. But add their Markup and you get $920 profit.

  355. Maybe you should all stop blaming a machine for your own inadequacy lol

  356. software on mac has better quality stuff????

    arent the same mac users always complained about how

    firefox, flash, chrome, steam, office (both ms & open) sucks….

    where other platforms are fine.

    something is very wrong with your logic?

  357. I wasn’t referring to the manufacturing post, I agree with you on that. I was referring to
    ***How is using a mac for work good? If you go to any workplace most likely they are using a PC.***
    I explained most of this, its subjective.
    ****If America wasn’t full of a bunch of ignorant snobs apple would be non-existent.*****
    I explained this in my previous post
    ***apple overcharges their products, no software selection, no hardware selection, and no gaming****.
    I explained most of this. If you knew economics you would know (as has been posted 408305308 times) Apple’s pricing is marginal and developmental costs. Their profit on MacBook Pros is $400. So chill, they’re not a great value but Apple isn’t trying to price gouge you.

  358. @WOW. Once again everything you and every mac user says isn’t fact. Its all your opinion.

  359. @WOW. What the hell are you talking about? I was referring to someone who posted and said Microsoft is horrible for making their devices in China and that he buys apple because they make their products in America. apple manufactures their products in China. Fact.

  360. I don’t know what your problem is Steve, but you should talk to someone. “No software selection” well thats somewhat true, but the software on Macs in my experience has been better quality stuff. I used to have a PC and sure, its a better value, but the mac is better to use. I know thats subjective but I don’t care, its my computer, I’m using it. Macs are better for work for some because the interface is less distracting for them. You should really quit with the arrogant attitude. And by the way, China is eclipsing the US as Apples largest market. You should do some research.

  361. Lastly, everything most of the PC users are saying on here are fact not opinions. apple overcharges their products, no software selection, no hardware selection, and no gaming. I can’t believe some moron on here said apple makes their products in America. apple users do no research at all.

  362. And all the package scanners USPS, UPS, and other shipping services use are running Windows CE. If America wasn’t full of a bunch of ignorant snobs apple would be non-existent.

  363. @Anonymous. How is using a mac for work good? If you go to any workplace most likely they are using a PC. All the movie theaters, grocery and hardware stores in my area use Windows. I’ve even seen store employees turn on the self checkout machines and sure enough Windows 2000 is booting.

  364. “In my experience the only people who are justified in using/purchasing macs are graphic designers/people who edit various forms of digital media.”

    Even designers have no real advantage or justification, imo. I’m a senior in college studying graphic design so i’m forced to use iMacs at school, and have been for 4 years. Apart from the irritating iOS interface, they’re stupidly slow and only a couple years old if that. From my experience, most graphics related programs run better on PCs/Windows – actually i can’t think of any exceptions. The few best designers in my class use PCs, including myself. Everyone else has been brainwashed unfortunately.

  365. We all have our own opinions.

    My opinion:

    Mac’s aren’t for gaming. I would say for working.

    Windows is great for gaming and also good for photo editing and creating.

    Linux…..well I never experience Linux before…

  366. In my experience the only people who are justified in using/purchasing macs are graphic designers/people who edit various forms of digital media.

    Mac is (as mentioned over and over and over again) insanely overpriced. If you are arguing this then you are a truly diehard mac fanboi. You are NOT getting what you are paying for, (unless you are paying to for the aesthetics in which case you are a mentally deficient hipster wanker) this is just a fact, again to argue that mac is not overpriced is arguing from a position of cranium-in-colon.

    Anything (barring media manipulation) you can do on your mac, i can do on my Windows PC, for less money and with greater efficiency.

    Windows based PCs are often just called PCs because they are, in fact, PERSONAL COMPUTERS… your macbook pro will always be owned by mac – good luck attempting to personalise it (again, i’m not talking about superficial aesthetics, princess).

    Most importantly though, besides the fact that most mac users i have to deal with at work are walking stereotypes (many of whom have actually tried to convince me that “Even the packaging is a product when you are buying a mac”): Macs are locked to other, shitty, overpriced mac products…

    When a cust comes in and asks for an (insert any tech product here) the first question out of my mouth is “Are you on a Mac or a Windows PC?”, if the answer is Mac, i usually sadly shake my head and tell them that we cannot support said device on a mac, BUT we do have the exact same product with a 20% markup which SHOULD work seamlessly with your mac, though again, it is unsupported… why? Because Mac sell a lifestyle, a lifestyle that revolves around paying excessive amounts of money for gear with very limited functionality and NO compatibility with other products… what’s that you want to use a … oh wait that’s right your $700 toy has no USB ports… good fucking luck with that.

    So to summarise, you are paying more money for less functionality and ridiculously poor compatibility, but shit, who cares when all your friends think your iExclusive goes nicely with your skinny jeans and 70’s haircut.

    P.S. Personally i find the entire UI of OSX to be offensive, it treats you like a small child with learning difficulties who is easily distracted by shiny objects.

  367. first, lion no longer sniff rosetta and sip java anymore. dos starts its life in intel 8086. same intel, cisc. wasnt aware they were supporting motorola – dont know where you got that from.

    likewise, saying we should obsolete floppies, cassettes just because they are old and not trendy should also be apply to optical formats is a bit premature. most stream formats uses lossy formats and to some audiophile purists, cd is still gold to their ears. similarly bluray 1080p beats 720p of itunes’ offerings plus a lot of extras on discs. then there are games on dvds. until internet bandwidth is free and speeds of 100mbit/s is widely available, that wont happened anytime soon.

  368. You didn’t read my post. As usual, I said that “I disagree on all points with the exception of gaming.” Also “Again, Macs are a horrible value, not a horrible product.” Delusional PCobliviousness, Im not being self-important as you say, Im listing facts here. Macs are a horrible value, not a horrible product. And I really don’t get whats up with the “omygod why doesn’t Apple keep the same architecture forever?” Many PCs used motorolas 6800 architecture and then they went to X86, I believe thats only one less architecture change than Apple. And I really doubt they’ll change again for a while, but no one knows. But it would be pretty stupid to do so now, so Im sure we are fine. Also Apple switched from PPC to x86 in 2006, thats 6 years ago. People whine when they don’t switch to mainstream and they whine when they do. The PPC architecture wasn’t keeping up with intels new stuff so they switched in order to move on. Saying they should stick with one thing forever and continue to dote on it (Snow Leopard still has Rosetta) is like saying that computers should still have floppy drives, or cassette tapes should still be sold, just in case someone hasn’t bought an MP3 player yet.

  369. hmmmmm…
    you still dont get it. for people who need to get on internet, email, chat, a simple $200-$400 laptop would suffice. where is apple’s offering at this level? how can you disagree on this when apple is a no-show at this level. look at this family savings transitioning from mac to pc. http://www.julieacunningham.com/2011/08/from-pc-to-mac-and-back/
    macarrogance?

    gaming – if money is no object, can build 2-4 way sli. where is apple’s offering at this level of gaming? how can you disagree with this. macarrogance?

    long term support on software and hardware – how can one rely on long term support when mac flip-flops architectures 68k->ppc->x86 ->??? as they feel trendy. also, they ditch xserve, java and rosetta. look how fast bootcamp drop supports for slightly older macs. that just makes your winmac machine a paperweight when newer version of windows comes out in a next few years. look at my motherboard from gigabyte bought 10 months ago, still have driver supports for all components for windows xp!!!
    3rd party firefox 9/flash and opera still works on windows 2000!!! can those current version of apps still works on tiger or leopard? so how can you disagree windows dont have longer term support. still dont agree. macarrogance?

    did you read the link above, 3d workshops (including 2d->3d workshop) are pc powerhouse.
    given reasons pc can harness all those gpus in sli setups with golden drivers directly from nvidia/amd. you really think you’ll do any better than those setups for stability and performance wise? again, delusional macarrogance.

  370. “I love how all mac users compare computers to cars.
    I also love how they use marginal cost as an excuse for why mac’s are overpriced. Does that mean its ok? If I kill someone and say it was to protect a squirrel does that make it ok?”
    -First of all, computers and cars are very comparable
    -Secondly, marginal cost is not an ethical issue, its an economic LAW. As in, it happens whether you want it to or not. Marginal cost is the cost of production per unit. The farther you move away from the equilibrium of production the higher marginal cost is. And since Apple can’t produce a whole bunch of units like HP because of market share they have high marginal costs.

    “I can’t complain about the cost of a Mac, I got my Mac Book Pro Jan 2011 when I burned all my United miles before they expired…. so it was free. However, I’ve installed a SSD hard drive an upgraded the memory to 8GB just to make the piece of crap usable. It’s like a clunky iPad… It only works for surfing the Internet, otherwise the Mac is totally for wannabe nerdies/trendies. I was talked into it from a friend that swore i’d love it… pfft! This f’ing thing is a joke. I have a Win7 PC and laptop – in comparison, the are far superior in every way.
    The battery live use to be good, now it lasts for about 2 hours… same as every other laptop. Managing pictures on it suck, don’t believe the hype. My wife and I take thousands of photos while we’re on vacation, you can’t even look through them full screen unless you import them all in iPhoto… f you. I don’t want them on the laptop, I just want to look at them full screen! Anyway, I now take it with me on trips cuz if it get’s lost, i’ll file a claim and buy a new Windows laptop, you know… something that actually works the way I want, not they way it does.”
    -Bullshit, spacebar-> fullscreen, boom there you go, preview in fullscreen. Also iPhoto, or PhotoBooth, or many of the other photo managing applications that are free. You just want to complain, If you got the mac in 2011 then it has an i5 at the least, probably a quad core i7 and most likely it has AMD Radeon graphics. No matter how much it costs, its hardly “good for only browsing the internet”- (I’m paraphrasing there)

    pc is best for browsing, emailing, instant messaging, chat because users can buy very cheap computers and webcams for simple non-productive activities. why overpay for a child or grandparent who will let all those cpu cores idle.
    pc is best for gaming because users can customized to their wallet size – from budget to exotic gaming rigs.
    pc is best for corporate world where they are required to be maintained for a very long term support.
    pc is best for creative work too. i always heard, mac is great for design and music work. maybe you should read this at http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/370543/is-apple-pushing-away-professionals
    so if pc does everything better, what is mac good for other than “paying more for less” (think differently)?
    I disagree on all points with the exception of gaming. What now? My university has long term Apple support. My friends uncles company uses Macs now because he gets crap done faster than with the PCs and the time saving has made up for the extra cost. And the graphic design department would laugh at your PC>Mac for creative design article.

    Again, Macs are a horrible value, not a horrible product.

  371. Nice to see SEMEN back on here. I’ve been sitting back and watching all these apple retards and it amuses me.

  372. No one in their right mind buys a mac.

  373. No people in their right mind buys a mac.

    They are ugly too. Far too much ugly to be called a computer.

  374. pc is best for browsing, emailing, instant messaging, chat because users can buy very cheap computers and webcams for simple non-productive activities. why overpay for a child or grandparent who will let all those cpu cores idle.

    pc is best for gaming because users can customized to their wallet size – from budget to exotic gaming rigs.

    pc is best for corporate world where they are required to be maintained for a very long term support.

    pc is best for creative work too. i always heard, mac is great for design and music work. maybe you should read this at http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/370543/is-apple-pushing-away-professionals

    so if pc does everything better, what is mac good for other than “paying more for less” (think differently)?

  375. i like non-apple products for many reasons.

    i like to be able walk in small malls and buy computers and tablets from any small unauthorized boutique shops.
    hate to see the day when apple is in the majority share and we are all directed to apple stores only to get computers.
    i dont like to share breathing space with mac users in retail shops and coffee shops. their power plugs tend to monopolized all the sockets despite claiming great battery life of their macbook.

    i like to be able walk along the computer aisle and see more than 3 models, prices and brands. choices are good.
    look at kindle fire at the right price and size, it is selling well. contrary to job’s remark about filing the fingertips to use a smaller than 10″ tablet, the 7″ tablet may prove the right size.
    it is in the size range where you will still need to pinch zoom but not to point of irritation and annoyance like in a very small smartphone. i mean, what is the point of using a 10″ tablet os where you have pinch zoom capabilities but dont require it? at least 7″ we get to play with it. plus it fits in one hand nicely as well as in deep pockets of a winter jacket or a ladies handbag.

    i like the freedom to choose different browsers. on my unrestricted android tablet, i have opera, chrome and firefox to PLAY with. 3 different rendering engines and not just lame browsers with skin over safari engine on ipads.
    love to watch tv shows with built-in flash in chrome. without built-in flash, either i see grey boxes everywhere or install multiple apps for all the tv channels and online games which will clutter my tablets with icons everywhere. simply unacceptable.

  376. i ask all mac users to post a list of 10 things they like about macs here.

  377. I love how all mac users compare computers to cars.

    I also love how they use marginal cost as an excuse for why mac’s are overpriced. Does that mean its ok? If I kill someone and say it was to protect a squirrel does that make it ok?

  378. Linux != *BSD
    Btw, how can you steal from free software? It’s _F-R-E-E_.
    Clearly you don’t develop software.
    I must be a real badass, thinking about how much free shit I’ve stolen in my life.

    I’ve got two MacBooks and three Gentoo boxes, and I think of it this way:

    I have two Porsches and three custom projects in the garage. They have different uses, Porsches for getting me to work EVERY day, and my custom built track cars for pushing time and performance, and gaining under-the-hood knowledge.

    Customization and reliability are mutually exclusive, unless you really know what you are doing and are willing to put down the hours. And the hours required for getting things to actually work reliably are not few, consider the ratio of time spent in development versus testing in ANY R&D department.

    So Porsches cost alot, and even with high build quality, the factory enjoys high margins. So What? It’s the best cars in the world. If I put a price on the hours I’ve put down tweaking Linux, or the hours I’ve put down reinstalling and battling with Windows, Mac’s are by far the cheapest computers I’ve ever owned.

  379. I can’t complain about the cost of a Mac, I got my Mac Book Pro Jan 2011 when I burned all my United miles before they expired…. so it was free. However, I’ve installed a SSD hard drive an upgraded the memory to 8GB just to make the piece of crap usable. It’s like a clunky iPad… It only works for surfing the Internet, otherwise the Mac is totally for wannabe nerdies/trendies. I was talked into it from a friend that swore i’d love it… pfft! This f’ing thing is a joke. I have a Win7 PC and laptop – in comparison, the are far superior in every way.

    The battery live use to be good, now it lasts for about 2 hours… same as every other laptop. Managing pictures on it suck, don’t believe the hype. My wife and I take thousands of photos while we’re on vacation, you can’t even look through them full screen unless you import them all in iPhoto… f you. I don’t want them on the laptop, I just want to look at them full screen! Anyway, I now take it with me on trips cuz if it get’s lost, i’ll file a claim and buy a new Windows laptop, you know… something that actually works the way I want, not they way it does.

    CrApple242

  380. TROLL ALERT!!!

    What an ass! Every bloody thing in this post is either imaginary, or an quintessential flaw of the highly retarded Windows platform that the author (or should I say the rant-er?) has superimposed on Mac OS X.

    They say there are no definite proofs that intelligent life forms apart from homo sapiens exist. But at least we have a definite proof that Trolls exist!

  381. First:
    I think you can’t blame Apple for the fact that there aren’t as many games for the Macintosh platform as there are for the PC – it’s an economic decision of the gaming industry not to offer the same choice of games for Macs. There are less Mac users than PC users, and the percentage of Mac users who do gaming is lower than on the PC platform.

    Second:
    I work in department store where I sell Macs as well as PCs. If there are any complaints a few days after the purchase, you can bet it’s a PC buyer with a messed up operating system. Asking them about their recovery dvds will drive them into a state of panic. Sure, in most cases you can restore the system from the second partition – but where’s the fun, then ? Never had any complaints about a Mac yet.

    Third:
    Uttering the words “Apple” or “Mac” in the presence of a Mac basher usually provokes a Pavlovian Reflex on your victim: he produces sh*t

  382. Obviously, macs suck. They tried to copy linux in a bad way, to where like linux, they cant use windows programs without tons of terminal use, but have NONE OF THE POWER OR EVEN CUSTIMIZATION that linux has. Its a lose-lose situation, and the only thing they have going for them is editing software, aka finalcut pro.

  383. Just fyi, for all those who think that Mac’s somehow have better hardware… Foxconn manufactures the hardware for BOTH Apple and Dell, so it comes from the same place. Where Dell has fallen short (as well as the majority of other PC manufacturers) is their lack of customer support, which is where Apple excels. Would I buy a Mac then? Not on your life.

  384. Sooooooooo, if I install *another* application on my (imaginary) MacIntosh, THEN I can actually play a game on it. Unlike the PC running MS that just plays the game straight out of the box. Sounds to me like the MS PC “just works,” more so than the Mac.

  385. WRONG,WRONG,WRONG! Macs can play games really good and can run Windows via BootCamp, you bum!

  386. I agree with both parties. None of them are perfect. In my opinion macs really sucks because of their price and I mean REALLY suck. Although PC sucks when u get a virus, and ya there are other things that bother me but there’s no point in going into all that because no matter what anybody says you wont be able to change their individual preferences. I do enjoys reading about how much things suck because people try so hard to prove their points and get so offended. lol I love the internet.

  387. This is just like watching Apple versus Microsoft commercials except here is the reality of Microsoft is the other way around and stays that way the development.

  388. This is all true. I used a Hackintosh version on my Gateway laptop. Now it did not work. It is not called me being stupid. It is called Apple being stupid. One is if they made it work with wide range of hardware like Microsoft does it would work flawlessly even as a hacked version. Another thing that really bothered me is even on the same laptop I watch HD video Movies on it with POTplayer that runs so smooth in Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, that Mac OSX 10.7 Lion could not.

    Mac would just skip so badly even using the POTplayer mac version that I could not stand it. It annoyed me sooo bad. Customizing the hardware to meet the Operating System is terrible. Geez, for hearing about how Steve Jobs did to get the Macs going and to actually use his technology to find out it is nothing to get excited about.

    To me Apple and Macs are no where close to Microsoft. Way too much on price to not be able to learn to program the software or build the hardware and install the hardware yourself is just stupid. The price for buying your baby a computer is crazy. I said baby, because a baby could use it, but that is it just use it. No modifying for the master geeks. Pay people to repair instead DIY computer like PC and Microsoft.

    Even if I had all the money in the world I would still stay away from Apple and Macs. Heck, Firefox newest version on the Lion OS still froze every 4 seconds. I can’t believe the stupid hype, and I have talked to so many Apple users to go nuts in discussions saying this and that about them being better than PC, when they are actually money taking computers to keep running regularly.

    I recommend to stay with PC and Microsoft all the way to the bank.

  389. sounds like you just arent as familiar with OS X as you are with windows. The magic mouse has right click, two finger scrolling/swiping and plenty of other gestures, as does the macbook pros trackpad. The apple mighty mouse on the other hand is inferior to the PC mice of the day I will grant anyone that. But Trackpad/MagicMouse> PC alternatives.
    You can forward email attachments on Macs (and I bought mine refurbished for $1400 so they arent all $2000+) easily. I can forward emails with just the attachments on my iPhone easily enough without the original text so I dont know what you and your boss were doing.

  390. This article is great and, obvious bias aside by the writer, really does hit the nail on the head.

    I have tried using Mac on and off over the 25+ years I’ve done IT and have found it to be the most convoluted OS, regardless of version or iteration. Back when we had several NT 4.0 servers, we had to install Apple Talk just to get the bloody Macs to seeconnect to the servers – absurd.

    Single click mouse…but Apple click if you want the right click feature? Absolutely ridiculous. And why should I have to buy another mouse just to get that functionality? If I just dropped $2,000+ dollars for a Mac, it had better damn well get a mouse that calls me, “Sir,” and tops off my scotch, unsolicited. If I get ANY HP Workstation (business class, not the Wal-Mart POS HP’s), it COMES WITH a two-button, wheeled mouse. JEEZ!!

    Another perfect example of how myopic, and Draconian, Apple is: My boss, who’s damn bright (which is a rarity for a boss), and an avid PCLinux user, got an iPad (save the lamentful sighs for after my story). He received an e-Mail on it and tried to forward it on to multiple recipients, complete with original attachments but without the original text. Several attempts produced the same result: Can’t be done. Finally, he did a little online search and found where an Apple employee had posted the following, “Apple did not intend for e-Mail to be used in this manner.” You mean like everyone else does?! BRILLIANT!! So I CAN forward the original message, but only with the original text. Awesome. I don’t want the original text! I just need to send the attachment, complete with MY COMMENTS ONLY, to my intended recipients without having to save the attachment(s) locally and creating a new message.

    Now maybe that Jobs is gone, someone with some actual vision that’s truly lucid will take control of R&D and give us something that’s a usable product. I didn’t say it had to be like Windows, or anything else – hell, nothing is perfect! But consider that Windows has approximately 85% of the marketshare currently (http://www.netmarketshare.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9) and has maintained a 70%+ marketshare for many, many years. Although most people are too inept to find their own a55 with both hands and a flashlight, after over 20 years of Windows being out, the marketshare for MS still wouldn’t be so high if the Mac OS v.Anything was as good as, or better than, Windows. NOTE: I never said Windows was great. Just that’s it offers a better, more stable, user experience than the Mac OS. And for those who balk at my use of the words ”stable” and ”Windows” in the same sentence, consider this: With all the half-a55ed, third-party apps out there that are written for Windows, and Windows ONLY, it’s not Windows that’s unstable but the veritable deluge of poorly coded applications that are written FOR Windows that cause the resultant instability one sees and blames on the OS. I guarantee you, if all the sh*t software for Windows, that generally gets installed ON Windows, was also on a Mac, the Mac experience would be far more torturous than it currently is.

  391. My PC isn’t slow, doesn’t crash, and doesn’t get viruses mainly because I’m not a fucking moron.

  392. Never use a mac?

    I’ve actually owned one. After owning it for a month I sold it to my sister and bought myself a pc laptop for half the price and better hardware. Mac is way too limited. All its about is Imovie and Iphoto which I use similar programs of that kind for the pc. And there is so much more that I can do on a pc which mac does not allow me… and I dont like that limit. Plus id rather save a $1000. The apple logo does not interest me.

  393. Okay, I just want to set some things straight. First and foremost, PC stands for Personal Computer; which is both a Windows and a Mac. Second, it’s all about personal preference. To me I think that Macs are best for people who do not understand things as easily therefore being a benefit in seeing how Macs are extremely simple. Microsoft – well, it’s for the average person. Like I said, all about personal preference, both have their pros and cons, just choosing what’s right for YOU matters.

  394. right click cut and paste? YES
    PrintScr- YES, able to activate terminal with it, well youve got me there.
    Search for what you want? YES- you can add on several third party applications to increase the search capabilities as well. Spotlight>Explorer
    File management of Mac>PC-
    interoperability- YES
    I really dont see where youre coming from.
    A good friend of mine runs a multi-million dollar business from macs. And whats more is; he used to run it off of PCs. He told me that the Macs were just more efficient in terms of time vs productivity.

  395. There are plenty of people on here who have commented on both the PC and Mac sides of the argument that do not know what they are talking about….

    That said, you can try hackintosh if you want to run osX on a PC.

    most PC users I know can’t debug their way out of a paper bag, and should probably just give up on technology all together.

    most Mac users I know are artists that can’t program “hello world”…

    But every Linux or Unix person I know can program anything, and use all of major operating systems…

    The fact that this poorly written article is still having comments on it is in itself amusing, so I just had to add a little bump.

    (oh and most business owners I work with are fscking retarded, especially if they can only use a single os, and their IT dept. thinks so too)

  396. @JAY. I too own my own business and require my employees to use Windows based PCs. macs are a complete waste of money and I’m glad to know other business owners are doing the same.

  397. If I have a business and someone brings a mac into it. They will be fired immediately for wasting my time and money.
    Finder is the biggest waste of time ever. Right click cut and paste. NO. Print Screen to activate terminal features. NO. Search for what I want how I want to search for it. No. File management, interoperability with industry standard systems, business computing – HELL NO!. I agree with this blog 99%. the other 1% is reserved in respect for the power of this machine.

  398. I built my own PC desktop and couldn’t be more happy with it. I put about $1,400 into it and know what each component does (and it’s true price.)
    My system:
    AMD FX-8120 8 core
    ASUS Sabertooth 990FX motherboard
    EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi)
    16GB Corsair Vengeance (4 x 4GB at 1600MHz) RAM
    Corsair GS800 (800W) power supply
    Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM
    OCZ 60 GB SATA 3 SSD

    My point? Macs are (roughly) $1,500 – and up – for a lot less computing power (price for performance anyone?) And the odd thing is that macs and PCs both use very similar if not the same hardware and components (for the most part.) But since most reasonable people on here already agree that macs ARE overpriced, I’ll move on.

    I am a sophomore in college currently going for my bachelors in graphic design. All my design/art classes are filled with beautiful brand new 27 inch iMacs, and they are enjoyable to use. It took about the first week of class to get used to OSX. Really, it’s not that hard. My PC at home has Adobe Master Suite (all Adobe programs) and I do find the Macs at school SLIGHTLY easier to use Adobe software on (probably only because I was taught on a mac.) But would I ever pay 1,699 for an iMac? Probably not.
    27 inch iMac specs:
    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac/select
    2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
    4GB (two 2GB) memory at 1333MHz
    1TB hard drive
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M with 512MB

    They charge an extra $200 just to double the 4GB of RAM to 8GB, and even then it still only runs at 1333MHz, as compared to my 1600MGz RAM (and you can buy even faster if you’re crazy) I’d rather buy some myself for $50, void my apple warranty for opening up the computer, and install it myself. The only thing that would make me want to pay more for less power is the ultra sleek/beautiful/compact design of the iMac. Oh and OSX, of course. The Mac OS is more user-friendly, in my opinion. I’ve used Windows my entire life – and am more used to it – but it is more complicated. In it being more complicated, it is also more customizable AND has more options than Mac. But there is something to be said for simplicity. I.e. simplicity/user friendliness of the iPhone versus the complexity/ability to customize your Droid.
    My point here is that it is very possible to be a fan of both PC and Mac. To all those here whose comments are in strong favor of one or the other have given me much entertainment over the past 45 minutes. Macs are overpriced, very well engineered machines using basically the same components as a PC. The Mac OS is better IMO, but cannot be taken full advantage of due to not AS many programs and software written for them. Windows on the other hand IS a less stable OS, technically, if running on weak components often offered by the MANY companies selling windows OS machines. PCs are better for gaming (blah blah blah, obviously) because so many more graphics cards are compatible with windows. If you want a PC that won’t crash, build one like mine :)
    That’s about all I have to say :) Come at me

  399. Then why ex
    “Again do you know what uni-body means? Apparently not, or you wouldn’t have given your retarded response.”- nice try deflecting your ignorance with Ad-hominem fallacies. unibody is the casing dumbAss; thAts All.
    the mArkup isn’t whAt you would think. its Around $200 on most mAcs.
    AgAin fActor in money for your displAy keyboard And mouse. the pc will be cheAper yes; but not As much of A steAl As pc users (such As myself) would hAve mAc users think
    And i reAlly doubt you won’t be reAding this if you took the time to reply to my first post.
    you’re just butthurt And Angry. but you did get A better vAlue for your computer so thAts A plus 1.

  400. “firstly that AMD processor will be outdone by A lower frequency intel i7”
    Your point is? That iMac didn’t have a i7.

    “As for marginal cost well thAts bAsic economics”
    Do you know what markup is? the marginal cost can get confusing depending if they got there result with or without the markup.

    Again do you know what uni-body means? Apparently not, or you wouldn’t have given your retarded response.

    HP Omni Quad series

    Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium [64-bit]
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 quad-core processor [3.1Ghz, 8MB Cache]
    8GB DDR3-1333MHz SODIMM [2 DIMMs]
    1.5TB 5400 rpm SATA hard drive
    Blu-Ray player
    Wireless-N LAN card (1×1)
    2-year In-Home limited hardware warranty
    $999

    iMac

    27-inch: 3.1GHz
    3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
    2560 x 1440 resolution
    4GB (two 2GB) memory
    1TB hard drive1
    AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB

    $1,999

    I don’t see why Mac users have to come on here to defend Mac’s if you really believe that PC users are wrong or you don’t agree with this post, then why do you need to go out of your way to tell us. Chances are we don’t fucking care if we are looking up a post on why mac’s suck. in the end all the mac users that comment here trying to argue just came here to do just that, ARGUE! Well you have no real argument.

    FACT: Mac’s are over priced compared to PC’s (It doesn’t matter if there’s a excuse or not its still true.)

    FACT: Mac’s have less hardware and software then PC’s

    FACT: PC’s are more customizable then Mac’s. Talking about both hardware and software.

    You say you are willing to pay the price? You say the hardware Mac has is enough for you? You say you like the way your Mac looks?

    Well whoop dee fucking doo. Congratz. BTW those worrent questions they didn’t require a response I didn’t ask you how you felt about your Mac or how you settled for it.

    It doesn’t matter how satisfied your it doesn’t make those things False just because you don’t agree.

    now im done yelling pointlessly at ignorant idiots, so if anyone reply’s to this you are just petty because i wont be reading it.

  401. whor: firstly that AMD processor will be outdone by A lower frequency intel i7. secondly: wht brand of RAM is the hp using? etc. quality is the issue.
    As for marginal cost well thAts bAsic economics (yes my pcs A key is broken) forbes posted Apples profit margin so I’m fAirly certain its legit.
    you’re An idiot my unibody mAcbook pro is eAsy to get into. The unibody pArt is the casing As in the whole thing is one piece of metAl. You cAn verify that with your eyes so i don’t know whAt you meAn About it being A lie.

    im typing this from A pc so cAll me A mAc fAnboy All you wAnt. (dell xps-15z) the hp you posted is just for the tower And nothing else nice try. post A compArAble All-in-one the price difference will shrink quite A bit.

    “Do you even know what uni-body means? All it means is that the parts are stuck together, you cant remove or replace them. And if you can replace the ram on your ‘uni-body’ Mac then its not really uni-body, and you just got scammed.” this pArt is reAlly funny. you cAn replace the RAM And hdd/ssd without voiding Any warranty All pc manufacturers hAve similAr polices regarding laptops. the pArts Aren’t All stuck together you idiot unibody is just the casing.
    I’ve using ubuntu fedora And mint. Also w7 xp vistA me 98 etc. (commA key is broken too :( )
    do some reAl reseArch then come bAck. windows is greAt but its not neArly the sAme. two words- file mAnAgement.

  402. Your all idiots. There are no up sides to Mac’s, you are just paying for over priced crap. Oh but mac’s cost allot due to marginal cost -says whiny fan boy.
    Do you have proof? Maybe Apple just lied about those numbers, it wouldn’t be the first time they lied about something.

    HP Pavilion HPE h8m series

    Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium [64-bit]
    AMD FX-6100 six-core processor [3.3GHz, 6MB L2/8MB L3 Cache]
    6GB DDR3-1333MHz SDRAM
    1TB 7200 rpm SATA hard drive
    1GB DDR5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti [2 DVI, mini-HDMI. VGA adapter]
    2-year In-Home limited hardware warranty
    $639.99

    iMac
    27-inch: 3.1GHz
    3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
    2560 x 1440 resolution
    4GB (two 2GB) memory
    1TB hard drive1
    AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GB
    $1,999.00

    How the hell does it cost Apple so much money to build the same shit other comps have?
    They even manufacture the parts themselves in foxcom for a fraction of the cost.
    Do you know what markup is? Well for the 27 inch iMac they added a $500 markup -they added $500 to the price just for profit.

    As for the OS there’s nothing, OS X can do that Windows or Linux cant do. Oh but its about how they do it -says whiny fan boy. Well you obviously know nothing about Windows and Linux, they can do anything OS X can in many different ways, and even in the same way OS X does it.
    Oh but I like the uni-body experience -says whiny fan boy. All that means is that you are more ignorant then I thought. The ‘uni-body’ bs you so willingly let apple spoon feed you, is just that bullshit. There is no uni-body experience, that’s just another label apple put on their computers so dushbags like you will buy them. Do you even know what uni-body means? All it means is that the parts are stuck together, you cant remove or replace them. And if you can replace the ram on your ‘uni-body’ Mac then its not really uni-body, and you just got scammed.

    Oh no its uni-body because the hardware was built for the OS. -Says the Whiny fan boy.
    WHAT!? The hardware was not built for the OS, the hardware was just built for computers in general. OS X uses drivers just like any other OS.

  403. With more hackers will come more security patches.

  404. “If I could run OS X on a PC, legally and easily I would do it in a heartbeat.”

    If OS X could run on a PC then there would be more hackers. And OS X has little to no defenses against hackers.

    “Thanks to a 5% worldwide market share, Macs have avoided most of the viruses and malware that plague Windows, but… according to Charlie Miller (expert hacker and former NSA security operative), those wishing to write Malware for a Mac will have absolutely no trouble whatsoever, given how easily exploitable the platform is. Mac users are “safe” only through obscurity… for now.””

    The bigger Apple gets, the bigger a target they become.

  405. I haven’t read past the first 5 posts here because there is way too much to read and my ADD cuts in too quickly. The wars between MS and Apple lovers are fun to watch. I use Ubuntu with Gnome, Open Office and a host of applications. All the software you could ever use free. For those photoshoppers, who can’t live without it, even though GIMP is free, you can always run a VM in your machine with windows.

  406. :D: its because they have a monopoly on their product. so their profit margins are higher than most companies in the computer field. but despite their higher margin the price of macs is mainly because of marginal cost. apple profit margin is 23% so you can figure out exactly how much they make off of one laptop.

  407. “due to marginal cost its more expensive because less units are produced.”
    People keep saying that, but then why does Apple make more money then any other computer company?

  408. Wow this battle against the computers is like a religion holy shit.

  409. Steve: no, its obviously because W7 can run on any platform and Microsoft supports it. Linux is free but thats on you if you screw it up. OS X is only supported by Apple so due to marginal cost its more expensive because less units are produced.

    If I could run OS X on a PC, legally and easily I would do it in a heartbeat.

  410. @TED. hahaha. I really hope you’re kidding.

  411. Why Windows Sucks:

    Only supports black and white screens
    Difficult to connect to the Internet
    Nobody but blue collar workers use them
    One Word: Viruses
    Nowhere to attach a floppy drive
    My cat likes to pee on them

  412. This article is 10 reasons why Mac sucks. Not Mac VS PC. OF COURSE it’s one sided!

  413. There is a reason Windows 7 is the #1 best selling operating system in history. People obviously like it better than OS X.

  414. You don’t see Windows 8 with any good ideas. This article is one sided and seems as if it’s written by an angry teenager.

  415. @FUCKME
    You forgot to play the TROLOLOLO song when people read your post.

  416. YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT IT IS SCARY… ARE YOU PART OF THE FUCKING ILLUMINATI AS WELL… GOOGLE EARTH FUCKING MICROSHIT HQ AND SEE HOW MANY FUCKING NAZI STRUCTURES YOU SEE DICK HEAD…. illuminati

  417. I agree with derp. He said everything (in his article) I’ve been wanting to say but couldn’t find the words to say it.

    I admit that I’ve been on this board too long and forgot what I was arguing for in the first place.

  418. So I’ve read about halfway down this monstrosity of a page. I have my own opinions which I wrote here while back: http://younger5th.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/mac-vs-pc/

    I will say that the “use whatever you like and shut up” phrase gets a bit old – mostly because it’s just so obvious. I mean, OF COURSE people are going to use what they like. So why can’t we all be at peace and accept each other’s choices? Ignorance. The same thing that breeds fanboys, the same thing that keeps us going round in circles.

    I read close to 700 posts on here before skipping down here and i saw the same arguments regurgitated, by both sides, over and over and over. If people cared to DO RESEARCH, there are cold hard facts and studies. The ONLY reason these debates continue to roll on is because somebody didn’t look up the facts OR the exaggerate their personal experiences. Plain and simple.

    For example,
    Find this post above (Ctrl+F “November 28, 2011 at 11:55 am”) where TUCANSAM claims that “I can run battlefield 3 on full specs just fine thank you”. I just looked at a youtube video of the 6490m running BF3 on low settings with 20-30fps. When you say “full specs” what exactly does that mean? High Settings? If so, if your frames took any more of a hit, I wouldn’t call that running “just fine”. I call that a slideshow. Now, I seem to be the only one who thought this, which the PC fans spewed “BUT YOU DID IT IN BOOTCAMP YOU HAD TO USE BOOTCAMP DIDNT YOU YEAH THOUGHT SO!” while completely disregarding his lie. They turned what should have been a hardware response into a software response which is a moot point. He’s trying to brag about performance to support his idea that YES he can “play” games in reponse to Joshy who said “No matter what, you cant deny that a mac falls far behind in performance, play any game made in the year 2005+ on a mac and you wont have fun” – which I agree.

    People get so carried away they don’t even know what they are arguing and stray off topic which is how discussions are formed about “who made what, when, and who did they copy it from”. We are comparing Macs and PCs of the present, not giving a history lesson. I prefer to stick to relevant problems, not past ones, and the current relevant problem is: are macs equal in value to the pc?

    My answer is in the link above.

  419. Only the world of search engines could allow a misinformed article like this survive so many years. It’s the writer’s loss that he doesn’t understand the history of computing, or why the Mac interface is vastly superior to Windows (and yes, I’m versed in both). Saying that Jobs stole the Mac OS from the Unix base is like saying that a Ferrari is just a rip off of the Model T; yes, they both have wheels, an engine, doors, &c &c. BTW, my Mac runs Windows just fine, the platform allows for it and Apple provides a free environment for it. You can’t say the reverse, and the lack of a homogeneous (ie chaotic) environment will keep it that way.

  420. Im a pc user and i like to use my pc and again is all personal preference use what you prefer.

    Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even if you win, you’re still a retard.

  421. All apple products are overrated and overpriced. Including, IPhone, IPod, and Mac.

  422. “Not so, I HATE the Honda Civic, I LOVE the Honda NSX. I hate Windows Vista, I like Windows 7. I do not hate Microsoft I do not hate Honda. I can insult a product and not the company. Vista deserved it, No Apple shouldn’t have done it publicly.”
    If you had a line of products out, wouldn’t you be insulted if people bashed your product?

    “Right, and your false claims and poor grammar do not? I wasn’t going to say anything for politeness sake, and despite what you may think, Im generally not a rude person.”
    What false claims? And as far as I can tell my grammar is just fine, other a few error I didn’t bother to correct. A nice person or a modest person will never refer to themselves as such.

    ““Variety is good but it gets to a point where there is overcrowding”- there you go, variety creates competition which induces a better product.”
    You contradicted yourself in the same sentience. You are saying that variety is bad thing but, then saying its a good thing.

  423. this is pretty stupid, i mean, seriously.

    “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.)”

    um no!

    WINDOWS computers do that, i’ve owned 4 different types of macs, and NONE of them have ever gotten viruses! EVER

    and, I’ve had 6 different programs open at once, and the computer didn’t slow down at all!
    the mac navigation is SO easy, it also displays time and date, my computer says ” Fri 8:17:20

    this looks like it was written by a four year old.

  424. “No, those ads were more of a hate against windows”
    You do know Windows is made by Microsoft, right? An insult on a company’s product is in turn a insult on the company itself.
    -Not so, I HATE the Honda Civic, I LOVE the Honda NSX. I hate Windows Vista, I like Windows 7. I do not hate Microsoft I do not hate Honda. I can insult a product and not the company. Vista deserved it, No Apple shouldn’t have done it publicly.
    “Also, how does what I say make me look like an idiot?”
    Look above.- Right, and your false claims and poor grammar do not? I wasn’t going to say anything for politeness sake, and despite what you may think, Im generally not a rude person.
    “Putting OS X on a PC would be ideal for most people (myself included) but that would go against the entire unified experience Steve Jobs wanted”
    Another example of Apple not wanting to give there users a choice. He can have best of both worlds, a PC version of OS X and a Mac version.
    -Fair enough, I never claimed Apple gave you freedom of choice.
    “You’re the one arguing for arguments sake.”
    I’m not the one comparing, computers to EVERY other market out there. I am just responding to your post. So if you make some ridiculous comparison, then I will comment on it.
    Now what are you gonna say? “Computers and clothing are both consumer items”
    Yea but people don’t buy computers to ware them. Different Marketing items are marketed differently.
    -No, the nephew of Sigmund Freud, Edward Bernays invented the basis for all advertising back in 1906.
    “If you objectively looked at clothing you would evaluate based on protection, flexibility and durability among other things.”
    I will take a page out of your book and say; Ask any average person, not someone who lives in the desert or someone into hard core exercise, ect. And ask them how they buy there cloths, they will most likely say they buy based on the brand or the look. If people bought cloths for protection there wouldn’t be women wearing skimpy clothing.
    Magic Mice where not intended to be used on PC’s there fore using them on a PC still goes against the terms and conditions. And to make the drivers for the Magic Mouse you would first need the Mac drivers then you must re-code them, the Drivers are a Apple product and modifying them is illegal.
    -There are several groups (Gizmodo, and the Apple forums ((which are monitored by Apple))) have drivers ready to install, I don’t know the entire EULA, I don’t know all the legalities, but what I do know is for the past 3 years I have heard and found nothing about Apple taking peoples mice. Illegal or not they don’t care.
    “What Im saying it you have a bunch of programs that all do the same exact thing, DivX, VLC, RealPlayer, Windows Media, etc.”
    What happened to “Its about how they do it”? They may do the same thing but they do it differently.
    – “Variety is good but it gets to a point where there is overcrowding”- there you go, variety creates competition which induces a better product (OSX and Windows perhaps?).
    “you’re the one who took bits and pieces out to try and make an argument that was off topic.”
    Notice how I don’t compare computers to other markets like cars or clothing?
    I’m not the one going off topic. Even tho I am now….
    -computers are a consumer product and I regard them as such. If I worked solely with and for a computer company I would regard them as a tool to utilize. Computers and OS’s are limited in scope and I use other products with a larger variety of brands to make a point. I think thats perfectly understandable.
    And if you MUST know, I only buy clothing based on my personal taste. Even if that means wearing all black on a hot sunny day. Is that smart? No, its not. Like I said before most subjective choices are not good ones.
    -Thats your choice I don’t judge.
    “You’re the one looking like an idiot.”
    “You’re the one arguing for arguments sake.”
    Nice come-backs.
    ^That was for arguments sake.
    -Touche

  425. “No, those ads were more of a hate against windows”
    You do know Windows is made by Microsoft, right? An insult on a company’s product is in turn a insult on the company itself.

    “Also, how does what I say make me look like an idiot?”
    Look above.

    “Putting OS X on a PC would be ideal for most people (myself included) but that would go against the entire unified experience Steve Jobs wanted”
    Another example of Apple not wanting to give there users a choice. He can have best of both worlds, a PC version of OS X and a Mac version.

    “You’re the one arguing for arguments sake.”
    I’m not the one comparing, computers to EVERY other market out there. I am just responding to your post. So if you make some ridiculous comparison, then I will comment on it.

    Now what are you gonna say? “Computers and clothing are both consumer items”
    Yea but people don’t buy computers to ware them. Different Marketing items are marketed differently.

    “If you objectively looked at clothing you would evaluate based on protection, flexibility and durability among other things.”
    I will take a page out of your book and say; Ask any average person, not someone who lives in the desert or someone into hard core exercise, ect. And ask them how they buy there cloths, they will most likely say they buy based on the brand or the look. If people bought cloths for protection there wouldn’t be women wearing skimpy clothing.

    Magic Mice where not intended to be used on PC’s there fore using them on a PC still goes against the terms and conditions. And to make the drivers for the Magic Mouse you would first need the Mac drivers then you must re-code them, the Drivers are a Apple product and modifying them is illegal.

    “What Im saying it you have a bunch of programs that all do the same exact thing, DivX, VLC, RealPlayer, Windows Media, etc.”
    What happened to “Its about how they do it”? They may do the same thing but they do it differently.

    “you’re the one who took bits and pieces out to try and make an argument that was off topic.”
    Notice how I don’t compare computers to other markets like cars or clothing?
    I’m not the one going off topic. Even tho I am now….

    And if you MUST know, I only buy clothing based on my personal taste. Even if that means wearing all black on a hot sunny day. Is that smart? No, its not. Like I said before most subjective choices are not good ones.

    “You’re the one looking like an idiot.”
    “You’re the one arguing for arguments sake.”
    Nice come-backs.
    ^That was for arguments sake.

  426. ” Does MS offer a Mac to PC? (I really don’t know, Im curious )”
    No they don’t, you know why? Because Apple wont let them develop software for OS X.
    -You mean like OneNote and Microsoft Office, both for Mac
    “Apple doesn’t hate PCs, they even offer a windows migration client from PC to mac.”
    Yes, so you can LEAVE your PC and switch to a Mac. Apple doesn’t hate PC’s? Where you off the grid when Apple has there whole Mac VS PC Ad’s? Apple themselves started the whole PC vs Mac ‘war’ Apple hates PC’s. If apple showed any kind of kindness towards PC’s they would let you put OS X on a PC.
    -No, those ads were more of a hate against windows, have you seen the interview between Bill Gates and Steve Jobs? Guess not. They were friends. Putting OS X on a PC would be ideal for most people (myself included) but that would go against the entire unified experience Steve Jobs wanted.
    “No they won’t. Ive been using a trackpad on my PC in public for about a year now. No one has called me out or shouted “CRIMINAL!” I want to know where you got that idea.”
    YES, they will. In order for the Magic mouse to work on a PC you have to have 3rd party drivers Apple does not have Windows drivers for most of there devices. In Apples user agreement, it is illegal for you to modify there products, or use them in a way unintended. Meaning they can confiscate your product, void your warranty, or sue you if you use them on a PC.
    -You didnt modify their product, you modified your drivers. And you used the mouse as a mouse. Apple is not going to take your friking mouse. Court costs would be too high for any benefit even if they did have a legal argument (which they don’t).
    “Apple is more PC friendly than Microsoft is Mac friendly”
    Again Apple dictates what Hardware and what software goes on there machines, even if Microsoft wanted to make a program for OS X, they need Apples OK first.
    -Fair enough, I see that as quality control. Making a Mac program really isn’t that stringent though. Honest, if you have a developers license they really aren’t balls out hard on you. Its “this isn’t a virus, it works, done” (after the whole programming part)
    “No, you’re legally required to be clothed in public. And clothing is made to shelter your body from the environment. Theres plenty of objective reasons for clothing.”
    Who the hell goes into a store and ask the clerk, “which line of clothing offer’s more protection?” …
    -Hmmm, seems like Colombia, NorthFace, and Carhartt advertisements care about that a lot. And yet you’re still here. If you objectively looked at clothing you would evaluate based on protection, flexibility and durability among other things. You’re the one looking like an idiot. By the way, when I was backpacking on the Appalachian I did just that. “Which line of clothing offers the best insulation and durability” Because when you’re out doing physical activities, you tend to be more objective with your clothing. However, I did buy the jacket and pants I thought looked best…. even if they were more expensive and did the same thing as any of the other articles of clothing in the store.
    You are just arguing for arguments sake, even if what you say makes you look like a idiot…
    No, I was using a metaphor, you’re the one who took bits and pieces out to try and make an argument that was off topic. You’re the one arguing for arguments sake. Also, how does what I say make me look like an idiot?

  427. For all you High-strung Mac who say only kids play games.

    According to theesa.com, Sixty-nine percent of American heads of households play computer and video games.

    62% of American video game players are male
    38% are female

    The average age of American video game players is: 33 years old.

  428. I love your response’s, you know the ones that put me in my place like “yes they will.” and “No, it wont”. Pure genius.

    ” Does MS offer a Mac to PC? (I really don’t know, Im curious )”
    No they don’t, you know why? Because Apple wont let them develop software for OS X.

    “Apple doesn’t hate PCs, they even offer a windows migration client from PC to mac.”
    Yes, so you can LEAVE your PC and switch to a Mac. Apple doesn’t hate PC’s? Where you off the grid when Apple has there whole Mac VS PC Ad’s? Apple themselves started the whole PC vs Mac ‘war’ Apple hates PC’s. If apple showed any kind of kindness towards PC’s they would let you put OS X on a PC.

    “No they won’t. Ive been using a trackpad on my PC in public for about a year now. No one has called me out or shouted “CRIMINAL!” I want to know where you got that idea.”
    YES, they will. In order for the Magic mouse to work on a PC you have to have 3rd party drivers Apple does not have Windows drivers for most of there devices. In Apples user agreement, it is illegal for you to modify there products, or use them in a way unintended. Meaning they can confiscate your product, void your warranty, or sue you if you use them on a PC.

    “Apple is more PC friendly than Microsoft is Mac friendly”
    Again Apple dictates what Hardware and what software goes on there machines, even if Microsoft wanted to make a program for OS X, they need Apples OK first.

    “No, you’re legally required to be clothed in public. And clothing is made to shelter your body from the environment. Theres plenty of objective reasons for clothing.”
    Who the hell goes into a store and ask the clerk, “which line of clothing offer’s more protection?” You are just arguing for arguments sake, even if what you say makes you look like a idiot……

  429. “iTunes was available on PC years before MS had a Zune client for the Mac.”
    Did you really just say that? iTunes existed years before Microsoft even thought of making the Zune.
    -Yes, then microsoft came out with the zune and no mac client, for around 2-3 years. I did say that.
    “most of which all do the same thing so its really pointless to compare numbers of applications, you should compare “what the applications DO””
    I already covered that in a earlier post, if you wanna say all third party programs on PC’s are not as good as Mac’s programs first use all the programs available for PC.
    -What Im saying it you have a bunch of programs that all do the same exact thing, DivX, VLC, RealPlayer, Windows Media, etc. Variety is good but it gets to a point where there is overcrowding. You didn’t get what I was trying to say.
    “Thats why people buy macs, no its not ‘objective’ yes for the 8305380532th time, no one objectively buys a mac”
    Thank you for proving that PC’s are better then Mac’s and the only people who buy a Mac are people who want to look cool.
    – Um, nice try flipping my words around. PCs are more cost effective, thats all I was saying. I could care less about the apple logo on my lid, I bought my Mac because I love OS X and the general design of the Mac.
    “I wouldn’t say WAY more.”
    Of course you wouldn’t, because your defending Mac’s. Doesn’t change the fact that’s PC’s can do WAY more then Mac’s
    – Besides a few UI tweaks (a lot of which copy OS X), nothing of consequence.
    “And no, Apple has to pay for the parts as well.”
    Then there Manufacturing company in china is just for show? No, they only pay for the designs then they build the hardware themselves.
    – cheese and rice, Apple pays for the parts that go into a Mac, they also pay for the design. They don’t develop the parts, but Foxconn isn’t like “Heres 20,000,000 cases for free.” No, Apple pays for the parts in each unit, the software, the case, board, and OS design. As well as packaging (that stuff adds up)
    “No, its your mouse, you paid for it. They won’t take it from you.”
    Yes they will.
    -No they won’t. Ive been using a trackpad on my PC in public for about a year now. No one has called me out or shouted “CRIMINAL!” I want to know where you got that idea.
    “Apple is more PC friendly than Microsoft is Mac friendly”
    What? Do you think Microsoft purposely kept there software from Apple? To make a windows program work on a Mac you pretty much have to rewrite the program, and would you want to remake a program for free for only 6% of computer users? If it took so long for a windows program to get on Mac its only because Apple took so long to ask for it.
    -MS and Apple had discrepancies, MS didn’t want to format it the way Apple wanted them to in the mid-2000’s I believe (don’t quote me). SO they didn’t develop a lot of things for the Mac for awhile. Apple doesn’t hate PCs, they even offer a windows migration client from PC to mac. Does MS offer a Mac to PC? (I really don’t know, Im curious )
    And I was talking about hardware, Apples touch pad, Magic mouse, and other devices Apple developed or bought a company to develop for them. Will not legally work on a PC.
    -Yes they wil
    All you have is your opinion.
    “no one objectively buys cashmere sweaters”
    Really? Clothing is only subjective there is nothing objective about clothing.
    -No, you’re legally required to be clothed in public. And clothing is made to shelter your body from the environment. Theres plenty of objective reasons for clothing.

  430. “You and every other iSheep come on here thinking they are clever, and can stick it to us PC users, but in the end you have nothing to ague about. You love mac? They are the best thing ever? Well good for you! I know OF 1,840,000,000 people who would disagree with you. You say just because the majority agrees with something doesn’t mean its right? Of course a minority would say that. I live in the USA the majority always wins. But yet you proceed to indirectly say everyone who doesn’t agree with you is an idiot. Well I hope you -with your rosy cheeks- don’t fall off your pedestal.”

    Brilliant.

  431. So you’re saying that every PC user has a PC because they hate Macs? I know quite a few PC user who would disagree with you. I live in the USA as well, and I can tell you the majority rarely wins and/or are rarely knowledgeable. Go up to anyone using a PC (in the general public, not some computer store where they’d be an enthusiast. This has to be a blind sample. Ask them their hardware specs, you’ll get the same rate of cluelessness as a Mac user.
    I really don’t get whats up with this iSheep crap either, using the term sheep as an adjective means that the recipient is a follower of the masses. And yet you also preach about Apples low market share. Im plenty informed about the product I’m buying, Im not “drinking the kool-aid” as many would say. I know that Macs are less of a hardware value than PCs and I know the reasons for that. Whatever, Jesus is right. Im done.

    ANON: No, but I have taken something called Economics, and Marketing.

  432. I agree this article entirely.

  433. Why all of your are being petty for no reason SOPA is about to pass. So even just having a random argument here may be illegal soon.

  434. “Thats the consumer market, people buy based on experience, personal taste, and lastly objective reasons.”

    And you are the representative the ignorant masses or what?

  435. You and every other iSheep come on here thinking they are clever, and can stick it to us PC users, but in the end you have nothing to ague about. You love mac? They are the best thing ever? Well good for you! I know OF 1,840,000,000 people who would disagree with you. You say just because the majority agrees with something doesn’t mean its right? Of course a minority would say that. I live in the USA the majority always wins. But yet you proceed to indirectly say everyone who doesn’t agree with you is an idiot. Well I hope you -with your rosy cheeks- don’t fall off your pedestal.

  436. “iTunes was available on PC years before MS had a Zune client for the Mac.”
    Did you really just say that? iTunes existed years before Microsoft even thought of making the Zune.

    “most of which all do the same thing so its really pointless to compare numbers of applications, you should compare “what the applications DO””
    I already covered that in a earlier post, if you wanna say all third party programs on PC’s are not as good as Mac’s programs first use all the programs available for PC.

    “Thats why people buy macs, no its not ‘objective’ yes for the 8305380532th time, no one objectively buys a mac”
    Thank you for proving that PC’s are better then Mac’s and the only people who buy a Mac are people who want to look cool.

    “I wouldn’t say WAY more.”
    Of course you wouldn’t, because your defending Mac’s. Doesn’t change the fact that’s PC’s can do WAY more then Mac’s

    “And no, Apple has to pay for the parts as well.”
    Then there Manufacturing company in china is just for show? No, they only pay for the designs then they build the hardware themselves.

    “No, its your mouse, you paid for it. They won’t take it from you.”
    Yes they will.

    “Apple is more PC friendly than Microsoft is Mac friendly”

    What? Do you think Microsoft purposely kept there software from Apple? To make a windows program work on a Mac you pretty much have to rewrite the program, and would you want to remake a program for free for only 6% of computer users? If it took so long for a windows program to get on Mac its only because Apple took so long to ask for it.

    And I was talking about hardware, Apples touch pad, Magic mouse, and other devices Apple developed or bought a company to develop for them. Will not legally work on a PC.

    All you have is your opinion.

    “no one objectively buys cashmere sweaters”
    Really? Clothing is only subjective there is nothing objective about clothing.

  437. Apple works just like any other Computer company, they design there Keyboards Monitors and Cases, then pay other companies to make there hardware for them. But you say “Apple makes there own OS” And? you say that like it cost them more money do to that. There OS only cost $20, and unlike other computer company’s Apple takes the design and makes there hardware in china for a fraction of the cost. Apple is only paying for the cost of the design while other company’s are actually paying for the labor and hardware.
    -The OS is priced at $29 because they control the hardware its on. Again, Apples profit margin is 23% (source:yahoo finance, forbes, fortune) Which means on an $1800 MBP they make $400, the $1800 MBP is claimed to be about that much overpriced. And no, Apple has to pay for the parts as well.

    Another thing I hate about Apple is that, when a Computer company develops a new device you can bet any PC can use it, maybe even a Mac. But when Apple makes anything. NO! They say, we shall not let our god like products touch the blasphemous hands of a PC user.
    For instance your fabulous Magic Mouse can be used on a PC as well, and yes it works exactly the same as it does on Mac.
    But of course Apple are a bunch of dushbags so if they know you have a Magic Mouse on a PC they will try to confiscate it.
    -No, its your mouse, you paid for it. They won’t take it from you. Apple is more PC friendly than Microsoft is Mac friendly, iTunes was available on PC years before MS had a Zune client for the Mac.
    -Also, in relation to peripherals on Macs, most peripherals period will work on a Mac, if not download the drivers (Lion automatically finds them). Now if you buy a peripheral made by Backyard Dan who no one has ever heard of then you may have a problem. But pretty much all major peripheral companies have drivers available for your Mac.

    Also Windows can do anything Mac can do and way more. All the ‘little things’ people love about Apple so much can be done on PC too.
    -I wouldn’t say WAY more. Besides run more applications (most of which all do the same thing so its really pointless to compare numbers of applications, you should compare “what the applications DO”) and some other rudimentary stuff I can do anything that I did on my PC. The difference is HOW it does it. You can buy a really expensive electric razor or a pack of manual razors for much less. They’ll do the same job, theyll last about the same amount of time. But they accomplish their tasks very differently. Thats why people buy macs, no its not ‘objective’ yes for the 8305380532th time, no one objectively buys a mac. No one objectively shops at Saks 5th Ave. No one objectively buys an Audi, no one objectively buys caviar, no one objectively buys cashmere sweaters, I can go on.
    Thats pretty much everything in the Mac vs. PC debate.
    You can say ‘iSheep’ if you want, Ill still be perfectly happy and perfectly productive. Thats a pretty good reason for me to purchase a Mac, it does everything I want, the way I want it done and I got it for the price I was willing to pay (in this case $1349, which really isn’t that ‘overpriced’). You can say “thats just your experience” well thats life. Thats the consumer market, people buy based on experience, personal taste, and lastly objective reasons.

  438. Man… JJ was on fire at the beginning of this post… this post has gone down the toilet.

  439. “yes but who pays for it all? Apple. Thats the split-cost that you conveniently left out.”

    Apple works just like any other Computer company, they design there Keyboards Monitors and Cases, then pay other companies to make there hardware for them. But you say “Apple makes there own OS” And? you say that like it cost them more money do to that. There OS only cost $20, and unlike other computer company’s Apple takes the design and makes there hardware in china for a fraction of the cost. Apple is only paying for the cost of the design while other company’s are actually paying for the labor and hardware.

    Also Windows can do anything Mac can do and way more. All the ‘little things’ people love about Apple so much can be done on PC too.

    Another thing I hate about Apple is that, when a Computer company develops a new device you can bet any PC can use it, maybe even a Mac. But when Apple makes anything. NO! They say, we shall not let our god like products touch the blasphemous hands of a PC user.
    For instance your fabulous Magic Mouse can be used on a PC as well, and yes it works exactly the same as it does on Mac.
    But of course Apple are a bunch of dushbags so if they know you have a Magic Mouse on a PC they will try to confiscate it.

  440. How come it’s ok for you to say Mac’s are infallible because you just like a certain feature better. But when we say the same about PC’s it’s blasphemous just because we provide facts?
    -I never said macs were infallible
    And Mac’s come with a one button mouse by default, so you still have to feed Apple more money just so you can right click.
    -No I don’t have to feed apple more money I can go to system preferences, or even third party mods and make right click whatever gesture i want
    “OS X has changed a sh*t-ton in features throughout the progression.”
    Like? Apple has made no major core changes to OS-X.
    Obviously you didn’t read my post, I said features. Anyway Core Data was introduced in 10.4- you know- here: this IS from Wikipedia, but it was the most succinct list I could find. Version 10.0: “Cheetah”
    Main article: Mac OS X v10.0
    On March 24, 2001, Apple released Mac OS X v10.0 (internally codenamed Cheetah).[82] The initial version was slow, incomplete, and had very few applications available at the time of its launch, mostly from independent developers. While many critics suggested that the operating system was not ready for mainstream adoption, they recognized the importance of its initial launch as a base on which to improve. Simply releasing Mac OS X was received by the Macintosh community as a great accomplishment, for attempts to completely overhaul the Mac OS had been underway since 1996, and delayed by countless setbacks. Following some bug fixes, kernel panics became much less frequent.
    Version 10.1: “Puma”
    Main article: Mac OS X v10.1
    Later that year on September 25, 2001, Mac OS X v10.1 (internally codenamed Puma) was released.[83] It had better performance and provided missing features, such as DVD playback. Apple released 10.1 as a free upgrade CD for 10.0 users, in addition to the US$129 boxed version for people running Mac OS 9. It was discovered that the upgrade CDs were full install CDs that could be used with Mac OS 9 systems by removing a specific file; Apple later re-released the CDs in an actual stripped-down format that did not facilitate installation on such systems.[84] On January 7, 2002, Apple announced that Mac OS X was to be the default operating system for all Macintosh products by the end of that month.[85]
    Version 10.2: “Jaguar”
    Main article: Mac OS X v10.2
    On August 23, 2002,[86] Apple followed up with Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar”, the first release to use its code name as part of the branding.[87] It brought great performance enhancements, a sleeker look, and many powerful enhancements (over 150, according to Apple[88] ), including Quartz Extreme for compositing graphics directly on an ATI Radeon or Nvidia GeForce2 MX AGP-based video card with at least 16 MB of VRAM, a system-wide repository for contact information in the new Address Book, and an instant messaging client named iChat.[89] The Happy Mac which had appeared during the Mac OS startup sequence for almost 18 years was replaced with a large grey Apple logo with the introduction of Mac OS X v10.2.
    Version 10.3: “Panther”
    Main article: Mac OS X Panther
    Mac OS X v10.3 “Panther” was released on October 24, 2003. In addition to providing much improved performance, it also incorporated the most extensive update yet to the user interface. Panther included as many or more new features as Jaguar had the year before, including an updated Finder, incorporating a brushed-metal interface, Fast user switching, Exposé (Window manager), FileVault, Safari, iChat AV (which added videoconferencing features to iChat), improved Portable Document Format (PDF) rendering and much greater Microsoft Windows interoperability.[90] Support for some early G3 computers such as “beige” Power Macs and “WallStreet” PowerBooks was discontinued.
    Version 10.4: “Tiger”
    Main article: Mac OS X Tiger
    Mac OS X v10.4 “Tiger” was released on April 29, 2005. Apple stated that Tiger contained more than 150 new features.[91] As with Panther, certain older machines were no longer supported; Tiger requires a Mac with a built-in FireWire port.[42] Among the new features, Tiger introduced Spotlight, Dashboard, Smart Folders, updated Mail program with Smart Mailboxes, QuickTime 7, Safari 2, Automator, VoiceOver, Core Image and Core Video. The initial release of the Apple TV used a modified version of Tiger with a different graphical interface and fewer applications and services. On January 10, 2006, Apple released the first Intel-based Macs along with the 10.4.4 update to Tiger. This operating system functioned identically on the PowerPC-based Macs and the new Intel-based machines, with the exception of the Intel release dropping support for the Classic environment.[92] Only PowerPC Macs can be booted from retail copies of the Tiger client DVD, but there is a Universal DVD of Tiger Server 10.4.7 (8K1079) that can boot both PowerPC and Intel Macs.
    Version 10.5: “Leopard”
    Main article: Mac OS X Leopard
    Mac OS X v10.5 “Leopard” was released on October 26, 2007. It was called by Apple “the largest update of Mac OS X”. It brought more than 300 new features.[93] Leopard supports both PowerPC- and Intel x86-based Macintosh computers; support for the G3 processor was dropped and the G4 processor required a minimum clock rate of 867 MHz, and at least 512 MB of RAM to be installed. The single DVD works for all supported Macs (including 64-bit machines). New features include a new look, an updated Finder, Time Machine, Spaces, Boot Camp pre-installed,[94] full support for 64-bit applications (including graphical applications), new features in Mail and iChat, and a number of new security features. Leopard is an Open Brand UNIX 03 registered product on the Intel platform. It was also the first BSD-based OS to receive UNIX 03 certification.[3][95] Leopard dropped support for the Classic Environment and all Classic applications.[96]
    It was the final version of Mac OS X to support the PowerPC architecture.
    Version 10.6: “Snow Leopard”
    Main article: Mac OS X Snow Leopard
    Mac OS X v10.6 “Snow Leopard” was released on August 28, 2009. Rather than delivering big changes to the appearance and end user functionality like the previous releases of Mac OS X, Snow Leopard focuses on “under the hood” changes, increasing the performance, efficiency, and stability of the operating system. For most users, the most noticeable changes are: the disk space that the operating system frees up after a clean install compared to Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, a more responsive Finder rewritten in Cocoa, faster Time Machine backups, more reliable and user friendly disk ejects, a more powerful version of the Preview application, as well as a faster Safari web browser.
    The rewrite of Finder in Apple’s native Cocoa API allows the Finder to take advantage of the new technologies introduced in Snow Leopard. An update of the web browser, Safari 4, includes a boost in JavaScript and HTML performance, which results in faster web browsing. The majority of this performance boost is enabled by the new SquirrelFish JavaScript interpreter, improving the JavaScript rendering performance of Safari by over 50%.[97] The new Top Sites also displays the most frequently visited and/or bookmarked sites in a panorama view, allowing the user to easily access their favorite sites along with a new Cover Flow view for the user’s browsing history. Safari 4 is now also more crash resistant, being able to isolate plug-ins which are the main cause of web browser crashes.[98]
    Mac OS X v10.6 also features Microsoft Exchange Server support for Mail, iCal, and Address Book, new 64-bit technology capable of supporting greater amounts of RAM, an all new QuickTime X with a refreshed user interface and more functionality that used to be only available to QuickTime Pro owners.
    Back-end platform changes include improved support for multi-core processors through Grand Central Dispatch which attempts to ease the development of applications with multi-core support, and thus improve their CPU utilization. It used to be that developers needed to code their programs in such a way that their software would explicitly take advantage of the multiple cores, which could easily become a tedious and troublesome task, especially in complex software. It also includes advanced GPU performance with OpenCL (a cross platform open standard for GPGPU distinct from CUDA, Dx11 Compute Shader or STREAM) by providing support to offload work normally only destined for a CPU to the graphic card’s GPU. This can be especially useful in tasks that can be heavily parallelized.
    Snow Leopard only supports machines with Intel CPUs, requires at least 1 GB of RAM, and drops default support for applications built for the PowerPC architecture (Rosetta can be installed as an additional component to retain support for PowerPC-only applications).[99]
    Version 10.7: “Lion”
    Main article: Mac OS X Lion
    Mac OS X v10.7 “Lion” was released on July 20, 2011. It includes support for the Mac App Store, and brings many other developments made in Apple’s iOS, such as an easily-navigable display of installed applications (Launchpad) and (a greater use of) multi-touch gestures, to the Mac. This release removed Rosetta, making it incapable of running PowerPC applications.
    Changes made to the GUI (Graphical User Interface) include the Launchpad (similar to the home screen of iOS devices), auto-hiding scrollbars that only appear when they are being used, and Mission Control, which unifies Exposé, Spaces, Dashboard, and full-screen applications within a single interface.[100] Apple also made changes to applications: they resume in the same state as they were before they were closed (similar to iOS). In addition to this, documents auto-save by default so users do not have to worry about manually managing their documents.

    “Apple does it all.”
    Does all what? The CPU and Logicboard are made by Intell, GPU is made by AMD, RAM is third party as well. Apple designed the parts? No, they paid the respected company’s to design the hardware for them. Even Thunderbolt is not Apple’s.
    – yes but who pays for it all? Apple. Thats the split-cost that you conveniently left out.
    “Who cares?”
    Obviously you do, or you wouldn’t be replying to his statement.
    – I was referring to steves hatred of the term option-click, I call it either or.
    “I like that much better than being stuck with a single button.”
    You mean like how Apple has had only one button on there mouse for years?
    -Yes, the one button mice weren’t as good as a pc mouse. But now theres the trackpad and its lightyears ahead of any of my PCs
    When we talk about the right click we don’t mean just the action of right clicking, the actual use of right click on Windows is better then Mac.
    -how so? On Lion and Snow Leopard I really haven’t noticed a difference
    I and most of the world like to rest our hands on our mouse and not have there computer freak out if there palm touches the mouse. I don’t like to pretend my hand is a spider just to use my mouse. If Mac’s are so ‘intuitive’ then why are they so f*cking annoying to use?
    -Again my computer doesn’t do any of that.
    “Why are you always so mad?”
    How do you know hes mad? If you are going to *ssume hes mad then I’ll *ssume you are subcutaneously convincing yourself you like your Mac.
    -Ive read his posts, thats how I know. Its something called deductive reasoning.
    The type of ‘opinions’ people use when they ‘like’ a Mac is born from ignorance.
    -No I’ve used Windows 95-Windows 7.

  441. @ All mac users. Your cheeks are bleeding…

  442. I never got mad. I guess you could say I’m more enthusiastic about my debates than you are.

  443. How come it’s ok for you to say Mac’s are infallible because you just like a certain feature better. But when we say the same about PC’s it’s blasphemous just because we provide facts?

    And Mac’s come with a one button mouse by default, so you still have to feed Apple more money just so you can right click.

    “OS X has changed a sh*t-ton in features throughout the progression.”
    Like? Apple has made no major core changes to OS-X.

    “Apple does it all.”
    Does all what? The CPU and Logicboard are made by Intell, GPU is made by AMD, RAM is third party as well. Apple designed the parts? No, they paid the respected company’s to design the hardware for them. Even Thunderbolt is not Apple’s.

    “Who cares?”
    Obviously you do, or you wouldn’t be replying to his statement.

    “I like that much better than being stuck with a single button.”
    You mean like how Apple has had only one button on there mouse for years?
    When we talk about the right click we don’t mean just the action of right clicking, the actual use of right click on Windows is better then Mac.

    I and most of the world like to rest our hands on our mouse and not have there computer freak out if there palm touches the mouse. I don’t like to pretend my hand is a spider just to use my mouse. If Mac’s are so ‘intuitive’ then why are they so fucking annoying to use?

    “Why are you always so mad?”
    How do you know hes mad? If you are going to assume hes mad then I’ll assume you are subcutaneously convincing yourself you like your Mac.

    The type of ‘opinions’ people use when they ‘like’ a Mac is born from ignorance.

  444. I hear whining about calling it ‘option click’ I hear whining about it being called ‘right click’ it doesn’t really matter. PCs right click is straightforward. Macs right click is much more versatile, you can use the top, bottom, right corner, left corner or two fingers to right click. I like that much better than being stuck with a single button. OS X has changed a shit-ton in features throughout the progression. And i really don’t mind $29 for the “service pack.” keep in mind MS makes a ton off of Windows, they develop PC manufacturer make the PC- thats a split cost. Apple does it all. Steve: really? ‘its not true right-clicking, people!’ ??? Who cares? It does the job very nicely, and is much more configurable. Why are you always so mad?

  445. And even when you do configure ‘right click’ or option click as Apple calls it.
    It’s still not as useful or ‘intuitive’ as windows right click.

    Also OS X hasn’t had any changes in the past 5 years. None of the OS’s from OS X 0 to OS X 7 have had any major changes that would require some purchasing a ‘new’ OS. All of the ‘upgrades’ Apple has given there OS could of been effectively applied through updates/Services Packs. Apple’s slogan is “Think Different” but they seem to be stuck in the past.

    Before anyone says something along the lines of “If its not broken don’t fix it” If we did that we would still be using command codes to navigate around our computers. Technology is about the innovation, development, and betterment of mankind. In fact if it wasn’t for ‘Fixing what isn’t broken’ technology wouldn’t exists in the first place. Apple definitively wouldn’t exists, all they do is put there own spin on already existing products.

  446. “ITS NOT TRUE! A MAC DOES HAVE A RIGHT CLICK!!!!!!!!!!! what u do is that you click with two fingers at once
    DUH! and by the way…A PC SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!! MACS ARE SOO MUCH BETTER! WHO LIKES PC? ITS STUPID!”

    Very mature. We will all switch to mac because your 2nd grade level grammar changed our views.

    There is no true right-click with a mac. How is clicking with 2 fingers considered “right-click”? When did right-click become more of a term and less of an action? To right-click on a PC you hit the damn right button on the mouse without having to do any extra configuration. That’s true right-clicking, people! The small mac users have “2 fingering” and the rest of the world has right-click.

  447. Laptops will never have desktop hardware because as Laptop hardware gets better so does desktop hardware. Desktop hardware will always be 5 steps ahead of laptops.

    In fact laptop hardware cant progress unless desktop hardware does first. They may be different in a number of ways but they share some fundamentals.

  448. fair enough. I get what you’re saying, although the metaphor doesn’t really apply because all-in-ones are vastly difference in form factor than a “laptop.” Anyway, I think soon there will be laptops with enough cooling to have “desktop hardware” but i understand currently thats not the case.

    For an all-in-one though the iMac is not a terrible value for hardware.

  449. ITS NOT TRUE! A MAC DOES HAVE A RIGHT CLICK!!!!!!!!!!! what u do is that you click with two fingers at once
    DUH! and by the way…A PC SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!! MACS ARE SOO MUCH BETTER! WHO LIKES PC? ITS STUPID!

  450. My whole point on the iMac is that Apple is trying to sell a “desktop” with laptop hardware, so you get none of the power of a desktop, but all of the immobility.

  451. If two people get captured and one of them is a alien, but they both look exactly the same, how would you tell which is human and which is not?
    First thing I can think of is to check there organs, see if they both have the parts that comprise a human. So is you had two computers and one looks like a desktop how would you tell which one is really a desktop or not? You would check the hardware…..

    It is impossible to put desktop hardware inside of a laptop unless you want to carry your laptop in a wheel barrel. And laptop’s and desktops are more different then you would think. Its not just a matter of cooling and mobility.
    some of the main differences about desktops and laptops is that you cant overclock laptop ram, laptops have integrated CPU’s and GPU’s, Desktops can switch out any piece of hardware inside them and even add more via expansion slots. But that’s just the basics the way the hardware is made and the way some parts function are different as well. There huge differences between laptops and desktops.

    Call it what ever you want, All in one, barebone, tooth fairy, it doesn’t change the fact that its made with laptop hardware.

  452. Ok, so in 2006 (this is from BLS.gov and my econ class, if not you can check inflation for yourself)
    the 15″ MacbookPro models were $1999 and $2199 (were using them because they’re the best selling MacBook Pros ((cnet))) so $1999 in 2006 would have the same buying power as $2,243.22 and $2199 would have the same buying power as $2467.66. If Apples prices have risen since 2006 the 15″ MacBook pros would start out at more than $2,200 which is not the case.

  453. Actually, if you think about it Apples prices have gone down some, hang on. Im going to calculate

  454. Um, no. Apples prices have gone up because inflation has gone up.
    About the desktop: Alright, yes the hardware is different, thought not a whole lot (except cooling ability). But a desktop, is a desktop because it is immobile- if I made a laptop and put desktop hardware in it then would it be a desktop? You’re right though as far as manufacturer classification. I still consider any all-in-one a desktop, I wouldn’t classify it as a mobile computer simply because of the hardware.

    yahoo finance put Apples overall profit margin at 23% (its less for Macs, most of that margin consists of iPhones and iPods- steve jobs said thats their biggest source of revenue and profit at a keynote, the specific one escapes me.)
    So if a Macbook Pro is $1800 then apple makes $400 off of it. Meaning if the 15″ version were priced at $1400 like their competitors then Apple would make $0.

  455. And your point is? It is still made with laptop hardware, even if its pushing the limits of normal laptops capability’s. And lintels new line of cpus are small but efficient so they can even fit in tablets(meaning they are perfect for laptops.).
    And if someone needs that much power out of a PC then they most likely know how to build there own desktop.
    What you think you shattered my argument because ONE company took the time and spent the money to build a laptop comparable to a desktop?
    The limits of the desktop go way beyond that laptop. Do you know why? It’s because laptops are made with laptop hardware, and desktops are made with desktop hardware, they are made differently.
    But iMac’s are made with laptop hardware. Meaning they are immobile laptops. Just because they hook a laptop up to a monitor doesn’t make it a desktop, there are more differences between the two then just mobile and immobile.

    And when I said provide numbers I meant how much it cost them to make a laptop as opposed to how much Apple makes for each one sold. And provide a direct link not a vague source like “Apple told me so it must be true :Q___”

    And also the whole “they have a smaller market share so they have to increase price” Is bull shit, over the years Apple’s prices have gone up with there market share.

  456. “What is that conjecture? Provide numbers and a source, or that argument is invalid.”- Numbers? Ok Apple marketshare was 7.5% in 2009, its a bit more now, but thats from popular mechanics. If your marketshare is low that means production is low, which drives up marginal cost (Isaac Mankiw-econ professor at Harvard- look him up) if marginal cost is high then price is high. Apple makes their own OS and designs their cases and boards which costs money, -common sense- don’t harangue me about that one. If I need a source for that just think “Apple”

    Anon= umm no, Jobs never worked for MS, he founded NeXT which used its own OS and he used that to make OS X- source steve jobs biography.

    About your desktop= you really didn’t pay attention did you? Did you even see my mention of Falcon Northwest? I can buy, you know what here: thats from falcon-nw dot com
    “It’s new. It’s bigger. It’s badder. The DRX is once again pushing the envelope on Desktop Replacement laptops. The DRX isn’t so much of a laptop as it is a miniaturized full tower PC. It can handle every Intel Core i7 desktop-class CPU, from the 3.06GHz Core i7-950 thru the latest six-core 3.46GHz i7-990X for unbelievable processing power. And now the CPU firepower is reinforced with the NVIDIA GTX 580M graphics processor – or even two of them in SLI! For professional workstation graphics, we offer a Quadro FX5010M version. Whatever NVIDIA graphics option you choose, they produce liquid-smooth 3D graphics on its brilliant 17.3″ widescreen LED-backlit display.

    We’ve upped the memory capacity to 12 Gigabytes of triple-channel 1333MHz DDR3 memory. And with an amazing three hard drive capacity, you can even utilize the fastest Solid State Drives.”

  457. Apple fails at everything, they are just good at hiding it.
    Look at the Pippin. Don’t know what the Pippin is? Well it was Apple’s attempt at a console. And it only had 4 games before Apple recalled the device.
    And word of this doesn’t ever seem to reach Apple users? Are all of you just avoiding the truth or is Apple desperately hiding there failures? How much more could I uncover if I dig deeper I wonder.

  458. Apple ows everything it is to Microsoft, a while back Job’s got fired from Apple for driving it near bankruptcy, Apple then asked Microsoft to bail them out. Job’s later got a job at Microsoft, then 4 years later, Job’s wint back to Apple and picked it up off the ground with what he learned at Microsoft.

  459. apple is obviously intentionally trying to wallet-rape their customers. They are preying on the computer illiterate. apples fan base is basically stupid people and people who want to “fight for the little guy”. Sometimes fighting for the little guy is a lost cause. Look at what happened to apple in the 90s. They almost went under til Microsft bailed their ass out.

  460. If you really believe the only thing that makes a desktop a desktop, is the fact it cant function on the go. Then you truly know nothing about computers.

    “AMD 8core 4.2GHz OC”
    “Radeon HD 6990 Video Card – 4GB, GDDR5, Dual-GPU x2”
    “5TB HDD 7200RPM x2”
    “160GB SSD”
    “32GB DDR3 ram 2.1GHz (2100MHz) OC”
    “$2,620.83”
    Sorry meant $3,620.83
    That price also includes a Motherboard, Case, PSU, Monitor, Keyboard, Speakers, Mouse, S&H, and before rebate.

    Source is Tigerdirect.

  461. “Apple isn’t intentionally trying to wallet-rape their customers. Marginal cost, development costs, design costs, etc.”

    What is that conjecture? Provide numbers and a source, or that argument is invalid.

  462. “No, desktops resulted from their immobility.”

    So my cat and my dog can get jobs or become the president because they have eyes and that makes them human. What about the example I provided, does that mean the laptop became a desktop? Desktops are made with superior hardware you cant put desktop hardware in a laptop there is no desktop hardware in a iMac
    Its made with mobility Radeon on-board Graphics a laptop graphics card, SODIM laptop ram, it uses a 2.5″ HDD that is the size all laptops have. If iMac’s are desktops just because they are immobile then my TV, House, Chair, PS2, PS3, GC, Xbox 360, Cabinets, Refrigerator, ext. Are all desktops too, because they are immobile and that’s all that’s needed to be a desktop right?

    “I can buy a Falcon Northwest laptop that would put just about any mainstream “desktop” to shame.”
    That laptop is $3,000 for the basic config but they go up to $5,000 (hardly worth it.)You are comparing mainstream to a lesser known high-end module.
    Why don’t you compare it to non-mainstream laptops and desktops, like Origin’s Big-O? And this is PC vs Mac, not PC vs PC.

    Find me a laptop with:
    AMD 8core 4.2GHz OC
    Radeon HD 6990 Video Card – 4GB, GDDR5, Dual-GPU x2
    5TB HDD 7200RPM x2
    160GB SSD
    32GB DDR3 ram 2.1GHz (2100MHz) OC

    $2,620.83

  463. No, desktops resulted from their immobility. I can buy a Falcon Northwest laptop that would put just about any mainstream “desktop” to shame.
    And steve, calm down. I said the “disparity isn’t that far” – referring to refurbished macs. Yes they’re going to cost more part for part, this has been explained multiple times; Apple isn’t intentionally trying to wallet-rape their customers. Marginal cost, development costs, design costs, etc. drive the price up. My point is, if you want to compare Macs to PCs they have to be similar models, a Toshiba satellite isn’t as similar to a mac as a HP Envy 15 series.
    Anyway, Macs will always be subjective purchases and I like having the option of choosing a different pre-made OS (Linux is more of a DIY OS)

  464. @STEVE Yup and if he still wants to do that, then I will continue to compare self-builts to pre-builts,. Self-built computers and bare bone kits will ALWAYS be cheaper.

    “iMacs are desktops because they aren’t mobile.”
    So everything with eyes is human because they share that same aspect? Desktops aren’t desktops just because they sit on your desk, they are comprised of superior hardware. iMac’s are made up of laptop hardware, not desktop hardware.
    Just like a netbook is not considered a laptop. Otherwise it would of been called a mini-laptop. “All-in-one” PC’s are officially Called barebone PC’s meaning they only contain the bare minimum to make them a PC, they are also called pocket PC’s, no company has once called them a desktop.
    iMac’s are just immobile laptops. Like the example I gave earlier.

    And again, when people buy a desktop they normally get it for the extra processing and graphics power it has, not so they can have a immobile laptop.

  465. I agree with RAWR. If you’re going to compare a refurbished apple than compare it with a refurbished PC as well. PC wins every time. EVERY TIME!

  466. No, the refurbished Mac is inspected and all parts found to be faulty are replaced. The computer is then reinspected, given a new serial number and a warranty. It is effectively new, even repackaged with everything a “new” MacBook would have. If you can do custom, I can compare refurbished. I suppose you could also compare refurbished PCs, most companies only offer refurbished business products though.
    The sites I used were HP.com and Apple.com

  467. “Custom built computers don’t count because you aren’t paying for labor, warranties, support etc.” You are implying no one makes the internal hardware.
    You do pay for all of those, just not from the same company. I have 4 year warranty on all my computer parts, and tech support for my whole computer, it came with my OS. Not that I need tech support. Tech support is what I do for a living. Also each part manufacture has free tech support.

    The thing about your comparison
    1. you didn’t provide a site.
    2. the Mac was refurbished, meaning someone used it returned it then they just cleaned it up and resold it.

    If you are going to compare make sure they are both refurbished or both new.

  468. $1,349.99- before rebate
    Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
    2nd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M Processor (2.4 GHz, 3MB L3 Cache) Turbo Boost to 3.0 GHz
    1GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7690M GDDR5 Discrete Graphics(TM) [HDMI, DP]
    6GB 1333MHz DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
    500GB 7200 rpm Hard Drive
    Full-size Radiance backlit keyboard
    Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 9 & Adobe Premiere(R) Elements 9

    I got

    Refurbished MacBook Pro 2.0GHz quad-core Intel i7
    Originally released February 2011
    15.4-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen display, 1440-by-900 resolution
    4GB (2 x 2GB) of 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    500GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm
    8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Intel HD Graphics 3000 and AMD Radeon HD 6490M
    $1,359.00
    Save $240.00
    15% of
    And I can pop 8gb of RAM in for $60.
    So the disparity isn’t that far if you know where to look. These are similar laptops in terms of case design, support etc. Custom built computers don’t count because you aren’t paying for labor, warranties, support etc. Its like making your own clothes or building your own car, or cooking your own food vs eating out. Its more different than you think.
    iMacs are desktops because they aren’t mobile. The end. They’re really quite similar to a lot of PC all-in-ones.

  469. Alienware only sells High-end gaming PC’s, their target consumers are gamers and gamers only. Most of there desktops are OC, and have advance cooling setups or liquid cooling. There best laptop has dual gpu’s.

  470. ” Now I know you can custom build, but then you can’t compare that price to any pre-built machine.”

    Why? Because Mac’s only come pre-built? So it’s ‘unfair’?
    Self built computers are still computers.

  471. “iMacs are desktops, they aren’t mobile and they sit atop a desk or desk like apparatus.”

    iMac’s have no desktop hardware.
    Last year my sister dropped her netbook down some stairs, luckily the only damage done was to the screen, but until the replacement we ordered came in, she connected her netbook to a keyboard mouse and a monitor. Now does that make her netbook a Desktop?
    A iMac is the equivalent of that. When people buy a desktop they normally get it for the extra processing and graphics power it has, not so they can have a immobile laptop.

    Macbook Pro 15-inch: 2.2 GHz (12/1/2011 – store.apple.com)
    2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
    4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB GDDR5
    MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
    SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $1,799.00

    HP dv6tqe series (12/1/2011 – hp.com)
    2nd generation Intel Core i7-2670QM (2.2 GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz
    8GB DDR3 System Memory
    750GB 5400 rpm Hard Drive
    1GB Radeon(TM) HD 6770M GDDR5 Graphics [HDMI, VGA]
    15.6″ High Definition HP LED Brightview (1366×768)
    Blu-ray player & SuperMulti DVD burner
    Built-in Bluetooth: Yes
    Price: $939.99

    Almost half the price.

  472. Im bored and I have free time. iMacs are desktops, they aren’t mobile and they sit atop a desk or desk like apparatus. Anyway, a similar PC (not similarly specd) is not half the cost. Dell with similar specs as a mac have much lower quality parts than the Mac. Yes they’re all made in china but quality control is vastly different. Toyotas and lexus cars are made in the same factory, but are the parts all the same quality? No, not even close. HP Envy computers, Dell XPS Z series, and Alienware M14’s are more comparable. Now I know you can custom build, but then you can’t compare that price to any pre-built machine.

  473. Dear college times,
    these all negatives are all fixed with the new MacBooks.
    so now you have absolutely nothing to say.

  474. “But a PC with similar hardware to a Mac is usually not too much more expensive”

    A PC with similar hardware to a Mac will be almost half the price of the Mac.

    “Blu-ray: this may be common in desktops, but it’s not that common in Laptops. I will admit, it would be nice to have the option. Desktop Macs DO have the option of coming with Blu-Ray. No Mac laptops have them though. It is a shame.”

    Most Mid through High-end Laptop PC’s come with Blu-ray drives. (EX. My uncle bought a Laptop for $400, it came with a Blu-Ray drive and of course 1020p HD screen.)
    The Mac Pro is Apple’s only desktop, and the hardware on that is 4x the price of the PC equivalent. The iMac is not a desktop computer if you think they are, you are wrong.

    Most of the other stuff you said was ether subjective or PC have been able to do that or are now able to do it.

  475. One more thing about viruses. Mac users seem to think its Microsoft’s fault that Windows gets viruses, well they are doing there best to keep Windows secure. But as long as people are actively making viruses they will find a way around those defenceses, if you wanna blame anyone blame hackers.

  476. ” I don’t think the declining market share of those manufacturers is evidence of increasing custom built computers. In the past year I’ve seen a lot more laptops from Samsung, Asus and Toshiba.”

    I’m talking about desktop market share, you cant build your own laptop (well you can but the parts are hard to find and very expensive. [And it would be no better then a pre-built laptop.]) So laptops are a stable market.

    “Most people do NOT in fact know what they’re doing. If so then tech support wouldn’t exist.” You are implying that everyone who uses a computer goes to tech support.
    I guess I was a little to vague when I said that. The only way Windows will mess up is if it gets a virus or YOU mess it up, and in both cases its your fault. Basic PC users will normally buy a computer for specific use, and if they don’t go messing with settings they don’t understand they will never have any problems. Hardware problems can be caused by a number of things, if you say its because of the manufacture then Mac’s are just as susceptible to hardware failure, the same people who make PC hardware make Mac hardware. Like someone said before, “If someone didn’t have any problems with there computer, would they go to tech support?”

    “There are not facts that prove PCs are better than macs”
    Yes there are, but first the definitive of Better: More useful, suitable, versatile, highly skilled or adept.

    “I noticed that you said earlier the trackpad wasn’t responsive”
    I don’t recall saying that. What I do remember saying is that I dislike laptops in general, and one of the main reasons for that is the trackpad.
    But I’ve used both laptops and Mac Book Pro’s and the responsiveness of the track pads are the same. Also when I do have to use laptops I use a mini wireless usb mouse.

    In the end you are arguing how Mac’s are better for YOU. So you have no real argument. I am not trying to ‘convert’ you to PC, you are entitled to your opinion, and you have done an overly thorough job of voicing it. Now why are you still here?

  477. Heres a post from KAEGA earlier. It still applies even though its based off of the points from this so called “article”
    Bear in mind that I am typing this from a PC.

    I will (just for fun) throw in my two cents. It’s all I have left. I’m sure people already covered what I’m about to write, but I don’t care. I love my Mac for several reasons. But mostly I just hate Windows (I love you too Linux). Here’s a list of what you got wrong, and a little of what you got right.
    1) The one and only business model for Apple is narcissism:
    I am definitely a Nerd. I like my mac mainly because of the way it responds, and has a refined simple interface.
    I like that my windows are not all clogged with menu items.
    Apple programs and the OS often support most open standards, and not just their own.
    Macs can format/read multiple disk formats, not just their own.
    Macs support multiple network protocols, not just their own.
    Apple provides regular updates to not only fix bugs, but to add functionality to my OS
    I love the iLife suite, and how easy they interface with each other and programs (IE: many third party programs easily find my music in iTunes, and my photos in iPhoto, World of Warcraft for mac can record video and control iTunes)
    I like that all of the programming tools needed coming with the OS (xcode)
    I love expose. I can easily find the window I want.
    I like the universal spell check in the OS which works in EVERY Application (except terminal and X11).
    I love being able to just trash a preference file to reset an applications settings. Makes troubleshooting quick and easy when I do have a problem.
    I like the file structure, which is almost always followed (IE: if I install a screensaver and want to remove it, it will be under /Library/Screen Savers/ )
    I like that the Firmware is not only easily updatable, but can actually be customized by the user (IE: rEFIt)
    I can create a custom keyboard shortcut for any action in a menu (literally any of them, windows only has custom shortcuts for opening programs and web pages)
    Ok, I need to move on now.
    2) Macs are ridiculously overpriced:
    Yeah alright, I’ll give you that one. I can rightly tell someone on a budget they should buy a mac. Using a Mac is great, but using a PC and still being able to eat is great too. But a PC with similar hardware to a Mac is usually not too much more expensive. With some models though, you just don’t have as much choices
    3) Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends:
    Blu-ray: this may be common in desktops, but it’s not that common in Laptops. I will admit, it would be nice to have the option. Desktop Macs DO have the option of coming with Blu-Ray. No Mac laptops have them though. It is a shame.
    HDMI: Out of date DVI? What have you been smoking? HDMI is not a replacement for DVI. DVI supports much higher resolutions than HDMI. The only advantage HDMI offers over DVI is it also carries the audio. As convenient as this may be, a DVI with optical audio cable is much better. Many computer monitors support resolutions that only DVI can deliver.
    Some things Apple has held on to for a long long time before replacing it, but in most cases the technology Apple was using was superior. Firewire is a great example. Few devices use Firewire, but they really should. Firewire 400 came out years before USB 2.0, and the sad thing is, Firewire 400 is STILL faster than USB 2.0. USB 2 runs at 480 Mb/s you say? But USB 2 has much more overhead (latency) than firewire making the raw transfer rate actually slower. On top of that, Apple has upgraded their computers to Firewire 800. http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewire-vs-usb.htm
    The ADC connector for video is another good example. Eventually Apple went with the Industry standard DVI. ADC didn’t just carry video though, it also carried power, and additional data streams. This allowed a monitor to be plugged in with one cable, and still have it act as a USB/Firewire hub. Unfortunately because switchers from PC always had DVI monitors, Apple changed to the industry standard. I like standardization, but it would have been awesome to plug my monitor in with a single cable (especially into a laptop)
    4) Mac OS x is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux:
    BSD is not linux. BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) is a Unix derivative designed for the sole purpose to be built upon by others. There are many, many programs that use BSD as it’s base. BSD by it’s self it not an operating system as it requires further files and frameworks to operate.
    The BSD core (Darwin as it’s called) is just the base. Most of the code build on top of it are unique libraries and API’s that are only found on the Macintosh, these are what truly make the operating system what it is. I doubt 90% of Mac users are unaware of this since it’s actually listed on the apple website under the reasons it lists why OS X is more stable.
    OS X runs many frameworks faster than any other platform (including OpenGL, and OpenCL). Now if only OpenGL could get a little more edge on Direct X
    5) There is no right-f*cking-click!:
    Although this is not true, it does bring up a point that I really hate about Apple. They tend to simplify things too much sometimes on the surface. Their strategy seems to be “If you have less to fool with, you’re less likely to make mistakes”. Apple will take anything that is considered not for the common user and hide it. I don’t like editing XML files just to show hidden files in the Finder, and such.
    You can right click on a Mac, and you always could. Apple just never sold a mouse with a second button. And the five keys you hold down to right click is… control. Deleting something is Apple + Delete (most shortcuts use the Apple key). If you ever take the time to look at a menu (any menu) in OS X, the shortcuts are listed to the right of the item you want to click.
    6) The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded:
    It is not retarded, it is just different. Let me go over your points.
    The clock doesn’t display the date? Well you were right. Fortunately in the last OS update (10.6.0) they changed this.
    The dock, again, is a little simplified. You can however see programs that are minimized. They appear on the right hand side of the Dock (even shows an thumbnail of what was actually in the window you minimized, cool). The Dock is just a shortcut bar that tries to keep everything in as small as space as possible. So you don’t have a billion little boxes at the bottom of your screen. It is not based on a technology from 1984, that is just ridiculous.
    (After finishing this comment I read some of the article you were citing. He was actually referring to the menu bar, and in that aspect he may be right. But it is clean, and works perfectly unless you are using multiple screens. Then it does get a little annoying)
    Clicking the X on a window DOES close it. I think you’re frustrated because clicking the X does not QUIT the program. Closing a window without quitting the program can save up some memory while not removing the entire program from memory. It’s also useful for some programs that do not need the window to be open to continue with what it is doing (IE: close an iTunes window and your song keeps playing). I find it most useful using programs like web browsers. If I use Firefox all day, but I am done using it at the moment, I can close the windows but leave the program running. When I click on it later it merely has to create a new window instead of running the entire application again (which comes up much faster).
    To quit a program either press command + Q, or right click (heh, another use for right click) on the program in your dock and click quit, or click on the application menu (named after the application) and select quit.
    Alt tab goes through every window? No it doesn’t. This is just plain wrong. In fact not only does alt+tab cycle through applications only, but there is a separate combination (alt + ~) that cycles through only the windows of the application currently in focus. Nice try though.
    Maximizing a window doesn’t maximize it? This must be frustrating since Macs DO NOT have a maximize button. Oh, that green button with the plus in it? That’s the zoom button. Let me explain what this button does.
    It changes the dimensions of the window to match the content inside. So for example, if you’re in a text doc*ment and you click the zoom button, the window size will change so you can see all of the page, but no more. Windows on the other hand fills the entire screen, but fills the screen in most cases, with just empty space. Why do you need a webpage taking up the entire screen when the page its self is only one third the width of the screen? This difference has shown in studies to actually make people multitask better and be more productive. But then again, some people just can’t focus on more than one thing at a time.
    Pictures open in separate windows? I don’t know if that used to be the case, but Preview (OS X’s default picture viewer) will open multiple pictures in one window if you highlight and open them all at once. If you open them one at a time, then yes, they will open in separate windows. You may be comparing this to Windows Picture and Fax viewer which replaces the old picture with the new one you opened. I find this behaviour quite annoying since I usually only open two pictures at a time to compare them.
    Not sure I get this next one. I can drag anything to anything else that is visible. Given if a window is on top of something I want to drag a file to, I need to bring it to the front. This is true on Windows as well. Maybe with more info I could correct you. I can also drag files on top of applications to open the file with that particular app (dragging a word file on textedit opens it with textedit instead of word)
    7) It just… doesn’t work. (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.):
    You say the Mac doesn’t handle multitasking very well, but you are wrong. I have repaired Many macintosh computers, and in most cases someone comes in with a computer that gets the spinning colour wheel a lot, it usually comes down to one thing: Bad Ram. The spinning colour indicates it is processing on a low system level. When there are errors with data in your memory, your computer will keep trying until it processes it without errors. This will result in a spinning colour wheel that could last for (depending on how badly damaged the RAM is) for minutes, hours, or indefinitely. Run the Apple Hardware test, I bet you’ll find an error. I also found that bad ram was usually ram installed by a third party vendor. Usually cheap ram, or improperly installed ram (static charge WILL screw you over, always ground yourself before opening your computer). Other hardware issues can cause the wheel as well, but RAM was the most common I found.
    Another reason for the spinning colour wheel is file structure errors. Run Disk Utility on a regular basis (every couple of months) and this will not happen to you.
    Finally, if you were using a Mac with an Intel processor, and were running a program that was not designed for the Intel chipset (Adobe didn’t update their programs for the longest time), it literally had to translate the program on the fly. With a program as big as Adobe, that would have been a long wait. (Adobe programs are now up to date).
    I also want to say that I’m running Adobe CS5 suite on my computer now. I am able to open and use photoshop, illustrator, dreamweaver, xcode, iTunes, and (basically iChat) at the same time without any spinning colour wheels. I had two files opAdiumen in illustrator, five pictures open from my girlfriends 12mp camera, iTunes playing music (duh), and running an OpenGL application with a spinning 3D box and two spinning 3D triangles (I had dreamweaver open but nothing created). Not once did I get a spinning colour wheel. I’m running on the original Macbook Pro from six years ago too (2.16 Dual Core, 2GB RAM).
    (Just so you know, my Mac HAS crashed on me before, but it’s happened less than five times in the six years I’ve owned it, and a couple of times was due to software I installed. I hate you ShapeShifter!)
    To touch on viruses, yes they do exist for Mac. Actually if you look up the history of viruses you’ll find the first one ever written was on a Macintosh. It is however harder to catch a virus on a mac, and if you catch one it usually cannot do as much damage as one for a PC (but they can hurt).
    A virus is just a program, and you catch a virus it must be executed. A major problem with Windows is there are many ways for programs to be auto executed. A Macintosh provides virtually no way for a program to be auto executed. You may have even noticed that discs do no automatically run on a Mac (which frustrates most PC switchers who expect a Mac to be easier). Mac does not have ActiveX, or any other methods of easily executing programs directly from the internet.
    Another point, a Mac needs your admin p*ssword to do anything major. A virus needs these permissions too, and cannot modify your system without it. Windows does not require a p*ssword to do any changes so any virus (or person for that matter) can edit your registry, change your internet settings, or modify your system in harmful ways. Fortunately Windows Vista and Windows 7 have improved on this. Please make sure you set a p*ssword however, without it Windows Vista/7 is not much more secure then it’s predecessors.
    The article you linked is a virus that’s caught by installing pirated software. Here is a quote from the article you used to support your statement
    “Really, as it stands, the only people at risk are those trying to pirate software, so it’s not really a case of “Is the OS less secure?”, so much as it is one of “Are Mac users security savvy?”
    (I actually recommend NOT using an administrative user on a Mac. Using a standard user will add another layer of protection for these same reasons listed above.)
    Software and hardware options for the Mac are lame, or slim at best:
    Software for the mac is slim, I will admit. The software that comes with the Mac is pretty nice. Again it’s just simplified.
    As anyone who’s walked into a computer store and asked where the “Mac software is”, you know that your choices are usually limited for commercial software. Thankfully most open source software is available for the Mac, or can be easily converted. This was actually one of the main reasons Steve Jobs chose Unix as the base for Mac OS X. You may have to install the X11 interface (Unix/Linux’s window system) to run some of them.
    When Apple says “no hunting for drivers” they usually mean USB devices (of course they don’t specify this). Generic USB devices (IE: printers, scanners, cameras, etc…) Usually do not require a driver to use on a Macintosh. This is because these devices commonly use standards that are the same between them. This allows a Macintosh to work with hardware that was never designed to work on a Mac. It’s very common for a consumer to plug in a device, even after being told by the manufacturer it wouldn’t work on a mac, and have it work just fine. There is a compatibility list on Apples website for hardware, but I have found many devices not on the list which work great.
    To be truthful though, Windows has been just as robust since the release of Windows XP. Many of you have plugged a camera into Windows and had it work without installing a driver. It is still recommended to install the included software though.
    If you are using a device that needs a specialized driver, and the manufacturer doesn’t make one for Mac, you are probably screwed. Low market share definitely sucks in that manner.
    9) Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs:
    Gaming does unfortunately suck on Macs, but the graphics definitely doesn’t. If you only ever tested your graphics using games then that’s why you think the graphics suck. Most games are designed to use DirectX. The reason they usually suck on the Mac is because they make a half *ssed attempt to convert it to OpenGL. Even games that use OpenGL on windows commonly use windows specific OpenGL commands. This requires changing a lot of code, and game developers have a deadline you know.
    The Graphics capabilities of a Mac are really sweet actually. Unless you use a program that uses OS X’s core video API’s you would never notice. And of course, video games never use these (especially when the game needs to be Windows compatible).
    10) Macs are not flexible or customizable:
    I would love to tell you how wrong you are. But alas you are very right. I think I mentioned it in one of the paragraphs above. The lack of customizability is definitely my biggest pet peeve.

  478. There aren’t hardcore numbers but I’ve found that the typical estimate of people who build their own computer is 20%. Most people do NOT in fact know what they’re doing. If so then tech support wouldn’t exist. I don’t think the declining market share of those manufacturers is evidence of increasing custom built computers. In the past year I’ve seen a lot more laptops from Samsung, Asus and Toshiba. Also Vizio is coming out with their own line of computers. If the market were overly saturated and demand was low due to people making their own computers then why would Vizio do such a thing? I don’t think they’re that stupid.

    Communism/socialism is a majority system (due to china and Europe) so that tells me that, yes the majority can be really stupid. Anyway, those were examples.
    There are not facts that prove PCs are better than macs, they prove PCs are more versatile, thats all.
    So in this case the majority bought a machine suited to their needs, like any consumer would do.

    So have you owned a unibody MacBook Pro? I noticed that you said earlier the trackpad wasn’t responsive, thats really not possible considering its a capacitive touchpad and responds based off the electrical pulses that all humans give off. Unless you’re a zombie/vampire or some zombie-vampire hybrid. Which would be awesome.

  479. Those are different markets and people react to them differently. These arguments are about PC’s and Mac’s. Not cars or food.

    And there are FACTS that prove PC’s better then Mac’s.

    “Just because the majority choose something doesn’t make it better”
    So does that mean the minority is always correct? If so then communism, the holocaust, and slavery are good things.
    In some cases you may be right but I don’t know the numbers of the examples you provided.
    But computers are not as simple as clothing or food. Most people who buy a PC know what they are doing, and know how to build them. Some people may say that not allot of people build there own computers. But the numbers of people building there own computers are increasing. A piece of evidence for that is the slightly declining market share of company’s like HP, Dell, Asus, Etc.

    So in this case the majority is correct. 92% vs 6%. Unless Mac users are just a few of the ‘enlightened’.

  480. Just because the majority choose something doesn’t make it better, Toyota and Honda sell the most cars, would you take them over a Lamborghini, or if were going with evenly priced cars, BMW sells the most mid-luxury cars, would you take a BMW over an Alfa Romeo? McDonalds sells the most fast food, would you take a big mac over a steak from The New York Prime? American Eagle, Aeropostale, Rue 21 etc. sell the majority of young adult/adult clothing, I wouldn’t wear their stuff over Lacoste, Brooks Brothers and Ralph Lauren. The list goes on, you imply that the public knows whats best.
    What do my comparisons have in common, the former choices all get the job done at a proper price, and most have the same attributes for that lower price, the latter are overpriced but are typically considered better. My mother bought a Toyota camry that has 270BHP, satnav, a bose sound system (I’m pretty sure its bose) heated seats, etc. anyway, for the same options (usually made by the same companies) on a BMW it’d cost double. So why bother? Well, thats subjective. As Hmmmm pointed out.

  481. Like I said before you can come on here and say Mac’s are better then PC’s but,
    1,720,000,000 more people chose Windows over Mac.

  482. @IPLABS IS RIGHT
    So just because you agree with it makes it true? Well by that logic we all live in some 5 year old’s girl’s fantasy world filled with rainbows and unicorns.
    Because if that’s how a 5 year girl sees it, then that’s all that’s needed for it to be true right?

  483. enough said, Macs are just better to use

  484. @EveryoneNeedsaLife I may be a computer geek but it looks like you’re the one who needs a life. Hows sitting in your moms basement trolling on whatever site you happen upon working out for you? P.S. I play sports (mainly lacrosse and tennis but also soccer ((I went to a private school so thats what we had))) I also swim and hangout with friends (those are people who enjoy being around you and vice versa,I know you’ve never experienced this so Im explaining it to you).

  485. I have used both Macs and PCs since 1984 in the graphics and video industries. This article is full of misinformation,the author hasn’t a clue how a Mac works. It sounds like he wants them to run Windows instead. As a user of both, I always find myself gravitating to the Macs whenever I can. They are just nice to use, like driving a Lexus instead of a Geo.

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